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"In today’s true crime documentary, we report on the case of Larissa Jordan — a chilling investigation that revealed a hidden family secret.
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00:00:00I'm protecting my daughter, and no one will ever touch my daughter, ever.
00:00:04Okay.
00:00:05Certainly someone's trying, and may have.
00:00:08I have an Instagram page just focused on fetish.
00:00:11I basically like to be baby. He's my daddy.
00:00:16I have a closet full of them.
00:00:18A diapers?
00:00:19Yep.
00:00:19Oh, yeah.
00:00:20And other ABDL stuff. There's a whole strain of stuff.
00:00:24It's not just diapers, there's everything you can think of.
00:00:28Interesting.
00:00:29He sometimes will get diapered with me, but he's like a diaper lover.
00:00:33I wore diapers in interviews to relax.
00:00:36Okay.
00:00:36Literally. In fact, I call it my good luck charm.
00:00:39On April 16th, 2025, officers investigate the unsettling claim that unthinkable images of a four-year-old child are circulating online.
00:00:48What they ultimately discover goes beyond the disturbing initial report,
00:00:52revealing one of the vilest cases Lake Stevens, Washington, has ever seen.
00:00:57You said you have hundreds of fetishes.
00:00:59No.
00:00:59That's not what it is.
00:01:00It's not one that I'm against or shared.
00:01:03Basically, it's...
00:01:05I don't judge people.
00:01:07The following is based on official police records, and the footage has never been seen before until now.
00:01:12Please note that all persons charged with a crime are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty in a court of law.
00:01:19Following a cyber tip regarding a disturbing image being shared online,
00:01:2346-year-old Jonathan John Whitwell and 32-year-old Larissa Jordan were stopped by police while shopping at the Safeway in Lake Stevens, Washington.
00:01:31John was approached first.
00:01:33I'm just confused with what's going on.
00:01:35Oh, I know.
00:01:36But I don't understand what's...
00:01:39It's all good.
00:01:40We'll get it all cleared up for you.
00:01:41You're going to transport this guy to the PD.
00:01:46Sorry, I'm not trying to have issues.
00:01:48Go ahead, take a seat.
00:01:49I have a hard time with my partner.
00:01:51Okay.
00:01:52And I'm super claustrophobic.
00:01:54Oh, God.
00:01:55Go ahead, take a seat.
00:01:55Can you roll the windows down?
00:01:56I can do that.
00:01:57You need to take a seat first, and I'll seat them, dude.
00:01:59I have claustrophobia, which is why...
00:02:02Are you Jonathan?
00:02:04John.
00:02:04John?
00:02:05Jonathan?
00:02:06No, I'm Jonathan.
00:02:07I'm John.
00:02:08All right.
00:02:10Can you please not shut the door yet?
00:02:12I'm serious.
00:02:13I have severe claustrophobia.
00:02:15Seriously.
00:02:16I'm not trying to find...
00:02:18Just to let you know you're already not even recorded, okay?
00:02:20Okay.
00:02:20Just so you know.
00:02:22It's okay.
00:02:23I'm serious about my claustrophobia.
00:02:24I'm going to open the window.
00:02:25I'm not going to leave the door open.
00:02:26John's fiancee, Larissa, was approached separately.
00:02:31I got it.
00:02:32I'll take it.
00:02:38Can I say goodbye to my daughter?
00:02:42The couple who were engaged share a four-year-old daughter who's still inside the grocery store.
00:02:50She's being watched over by a few officers while they wait for a CPS worker to arrive.
00:02:55Hi.
00:02:56Is your name...
00:02:57I love that name.
00:02:59Is that your friend?
00:03:01Did you just meet him?
00:03:03Yeah.
00:03:05Tell me about your blankie.
00:03:08Mom's staying here.
00:03:10Mom's staying here.
00:03:10Yeah, she's just for a little bit.
00:03:12We'll, um...
00:03:14Yeah.
00:03:14Just for a little bit.
00:03:15She's in the police car.
00:03:17Yeah.
00:03:17Yeah.
00:03:17Yeah.
00:03:18The car's moving.
00:03:21The car is moving.
00:03:23Is it moving?
00:03:25It's moving.
00:03:26Yeah.
00:03:27We came, you know, we came to help your mom help take care of you for a little bit.
00:03:31What is she?
00:03:32No, I think she went to the police station.
00:03:35Yeah.
00:03:35I think she went back to the police station.
00:03:37Neither John nor Larissa were given many details about why they were being detained before
00:03:42they were escorted to the police station to speak with investigators.
00:03:45The couple's toddler is also taken to the police station, where she'll wait for her parents'
00:03:57interviews to conclude.
00:03:58And we can wrap up your blanket.
00:04:01Yeah.
00:04:02There you go.
00:04:04Perfect.
00:04:05Yeah, I can hold on to it.
00:04:07Okay.
00:04:08I can lift you out.
00:04:12Oh my gosh.
00:04:13Oh, look.
00:04:13There's a cat.
00:04:14Do you see it?
00:04:15Do you see that kitty cat?
00:04:17Woo!
00:04:20First and foremost, you can probably see this wall here that you are being audio and video
00:04:24recorded.
00:04:25So that's happening.
00:04:26And before we start, I want to read you your Miranda rights, okay?
00:04:29After hearing her Miranda rights, Larissa agrees to speak with them.
00:04:32I'm sorry if I'm shaking.
00:04:33No.
00:04:34You caught me when I was going to get my rent check, and we have no clue what this is
00:04:37about.
00:04:38And my fiance's mental retarded.
00:04:40And I know he's freaking out right now, and I don't want him to get arrested.
00:04:43John was brought into his own interrogation room right next door to Larissa's, where
00:04:47he was also read his rights.
00:04:49This, however, doesn't go over quite as smoothly.
00:04:52Do you understand each of these rights as I've explained them to you?
00:04:55I don't know.
00:04:57Yeah, I think so.
00:04:59I do have a disability, so I do have issues for understanding.
00:05:04No, I can't read anything.
00:05:06I have, like, a third grade.
00:05:07I have four more.
00:05:08Do you want me to read them again and slower?
00:05:10Um, I think I understand that.
00:05:12I mean, I just have to, if something, if something might have an issue with it, I just,
00:05:16Okay.
00:05:17Just say it.
00:05:17So, it's really important that you understand, so I'm going to go ahead and read them one
00:05:20more time.
00:05:21Now that I know that, I won't rush through them so fast.
00:05:23Okay.
00:05:24Yeah.
00:05:25Do you understand each of these rights as I've explained them to you?
00:05:28Yes, I have a question, though.
00:05:31Okay.
00:05:32Do I have to, uh, state any of this stuff?
00:05:36Uh, but if I don't state anything or whatever, is my alternative jail, or can I go home?
00:05:43No, that's not how, that's not how that works.
00:05:46Oh, okay.
00:05:46Yeah, this is the, like...
00:05:47Okay, I thought it was, like, a thing I'm, like, freaking out, because I'm so nervous.
00:05:52No, it's not, like, if you don't talk to us, then...
00:05:55Yeah, okay, okay.
00:05:57That's all I'm, like, freaking out.
00:05:59What is, can I ask?
00:06:00My disability?
00:06:01Uh, I don't know the exact statements, but it's, like, and I don't, I don't get social
00:06:05security anymore right now, because I'm in the process of trying to get it back, but
00:06:09I, uh, have some kind of mental retardation.
00:06:13I don't know the exact things.
00:06:15I have a hard time learning and comprehending stuff, you know, understanding some things,
00:06:21reading things, stuff like that.
00:06:23With this clarified, John agrees to wave as Miranda writes and speak with the
00:06:27detectives.
00:06:28Um, deep breaths.
00:06:30Okay.
00:06:30So, uh, you mentioned that Gene wants John to get arrested.
00:06:35What would you, why did you say that?
00:06:37He's just, he's mentally disabled.
00:06:39I don't...
00:06:40You don't get arrested for that?
00:06:42No, I just, every time we've had problems, it's always been, like, fighting and something
00:06:47that both of us have been a part of, and I guess I just don't want him to go to jail because
00:06:54I don't know what's going on right now, and I can't take care of him if either one of us
00:06:58are in jail.
00:06:59Can't take care of John?
00:07:01Yeah.
00:07:02Okay.
00:07:02So you're just worried about him going to jail for something that you don't know about
00:07:07because just the way he is, or...?
00:07:10Are you afraid he's in trouble for something?
00:07:13Yeah.
00:07:14What do you think?
00:07:15I have no clue.
00:07:16Why would I be here, though?
00:07:17With Larissa beginning to calm down, the detectives gather background information.
00:07:22She states that she's employed at the Big Five sporting goods store in Everett, and that
00:07:26John isn't currently working, so he stays home and cares for their four-year-old daughter.
00:07:30Larissa often goes by the name Rue, which she'll be referred to occasionally during both
00:07:34her and John's interviews.
00:07:36John also has a nickname and is sometimes called Irish.
00:07:39Am I allowed to take this off?
00:07:40Yep.
00:07:41Sure, don't you have to call this one?
00:07:42Yeah.
00:07:42Yeah.
00:07:45When I get nervous and anxious, I just...
00:07:50The reason that we brought you in here to talk to us is we had a report come in about
00:07:58some online activities that had to do with an account that's potentially associated with
00:08:05you.
00:08:07Yeah.
00:08:08So...
00:08:09Yeah, because somebody said something about an investigation.
00:08:11I'm like, online account investigation?
00:08:13I'm like, okay, everything I do online, I'd be surprised.
00:08:18Larissa has also been informed about the nature of the investigation and has begun listing
00:08:22some of her internet activity.
00:08:24I've had KIC for 10 years.
00:08:27I do talk on Snapchat and I definitely need to check ages if this is happening because...
00:08:34No.
00:08:36How do you mean?
00:08:39Because I'll talk on Snapchat and we'll just have conversations.
00:08:44Conversation after conversation.
00:08:45Okay.
00:08:46Like, tell me more about that.
00:08:47What kind of conversations are you having?
00:08:48A lot of them are talking about, like, shows or what are you doing with your day.
00:08:56Occasionally there's a few dirty ones, but usually I'll be really good about, hey, what's
00:09:01your ASL?
00:09:03Okay.
00:09:03There's a few people I have it recently, so I'm wondering if that's what this is about
00:09:07now.
00:09:07I mean, you're on the right track.
00:09:11It definitely is related to online communication.
00:09:14That's what we're looking into.
00:09:17We have some safety concerns related to the investigation that have to do with your daughter
00:09:22specifically.
00:09:24And that's one of the reasons that we want to talk to you today.
00:09:26The warrant's going to cover electronic devices, so we're going to be able to look at that and
00:09:30get into that.
00:09:32While Larissa and John are speaking with detectives, a search warrant is being conducted at the
00:09:36couple's apartment.
00:09:37I think that's the blanket.
00:09:40So do all your overalls in every room, and then we'll, like, lay out blankets.
00:09:45We'll take photos.
00:09:46Okay.
00:09:47Because we're going to have to match those to photos from Mech Mech.
00:09:50Okay.
00:09:50Good to go.
00:09:51Cool.
00:09:51I know, because of my work, that there are some things that are kinks that people like
00:09:57us don't care about, and there are things that some people call kinks that are obviously
00:10:01illegal that involve kids.
00:10:03Yes, and I've never involved a daughter in anything like that.
00:10:05I was at five, so...
00:10:07Okay.
00:10:07Does it surprise you to hear me say that?
00:10:09I'm not trying to alarm you, and I'm also not trying to keep secrets from you.
00:10:12I just want to...
00:10:12I thought it was because I was talking to, like, someone who might have been 17 or something.
00:10:16As Larissa reels from this new information, John discusses his activity online, including
00:10:21his Facebook and Instagram pages.
00:10:24And what are the...
00:10:25You said kink ones?
00:10:26Yep.
00:10:26What are those for?
00:10:27They're just related to fetishes and kinks.
00:10:29Oh, okay.
00:10:31I mean, they specifically don't have any vanilla things to do with them.
00:10:35Sure.
00:10:36Yeah, totally.
00:10:36You know, when you said that, I was like, they're crooked, or like...
00:10:39It's like fet life.
00:10:40Yeah, okay.
00:10:41But I have an Instagram page just focused on fetish.
00:10:45And what kind of stuff are you posting on the kinks?
00:10:49Just fetish.
00:10:51A lot of different fetishes.
00:10:52I'm into AVDL.
00:10:55That's part of the...
00:10:56Like I said, I have a bladder issue, and so it became more of a...
00:11:00It became a fetish at the same time, so I'm not afraid to...
00:11:03I mean, I have 1,700 people that follow me.
00:11:07I've never been afraid.
00:11:08My family found out.
00:11:09They just...
00:11:10They're like, oh, what the hell?
00:11:12It doesn't bug me.
00:11:14So, AVDL?
00:11:15Uh, so like when I have...
00:11:17For instance, I have mental issues.
00:11:19APDL stands for Adult Baby Diaper Lover.
00:11:22So you're either in the little space, like mentally, like you just feel like your brain is so overpowered, like today.
00:11:29For instance, sorry guys, I'm not trying to stress it, overwhelm for you like that.
00:11:33But like, when you have like a mental issue day, sometimes just completely thinking about nothing else, it's mentally helping.
00:11:43I originally started wearing diapers because I had the bladder issue, and I started leaking.
00:11:49My kink, it scares me because that is something that I have to constantly be like, you're not allowed to be around, you're not allowed to see this kind of thing.
00:12:00Because my kink is being a baby myself.
00:12:04Okay.
00:12:05So you do like age play?
00:12:07Alright.
00:12:08And what kind of age play for you?
00:12:10Like, are you pretending to be super young or...
00:12:14It's not necessarily a kink for me.
00:12:17Okay.
00:12:17For me, it's, I regress into a smaller mindset because it helps me.
00:12:24It keeps me less anxious, I guess.
00:12:27Okay, that makes sense.
00:12:28And whenever I'm in my attire and stuff, it just calms me down.
00:12:34Okay.
00:12:35But in the community that I'm in, it's really, you don't mix those two things.
00:12:42Well, there's obviously a difference between age play and like actual children.
00:12:45Yeah.
00:12:45That line can get blurry sometimes for people if you kind of lose your compass.
00:12:50Do you find yourself struggling with age play?
00:12:53Like you just said, oh, I have to remind myself not to go too far.
00:12:57Did I misunderstand you?
00:12:58I think you misunderstood me.
00:12:59Okay.
00:13:00Because that's why we're talking, so help me understand.
00:13:02It's more so like I'm not trying to go so deep in the mindset that I can't come out of the little kid headset.
00:13:09Got it.
00:13:10Okay.
00:13:10Tell me about the like chat rooms that you're in.
00:13:13A lot of them are like...
00:13:16I know it's going to sound really weird because I don't look like the type of person at the end of this.
00:13:20I promise you, you will probably not surprise me.
00:13:22Degrading like...
00:13:25Mm-hmm.
00:13:25Tastes.
00:13:26It's not the animal.
00:13:29It's the...
00:13:30The size?
00:13:31Mm-hmm.
00:13:31Okay.
00:13:32There are like cow breeding rooms, which is basically just a lot of people with ladies on cow milkers.
00:13:41Oh, interesting.
00:13:42Okay.
00:13:44I'm sorry for so much detail.
00:13:46Oh my gosh, Dionne.
00:13:47I actually really appreciate you being totally straight with me.
00:13:50I'm not trying to get in trouble, man.
00:13:52I get that.
00:13:53Yeah.
00:13:54Do you think there's something you would get in trouble for, though?
00:13:56No.
00:13:57Okay.
00:13:57I'm being honest.
00:13:59John also appears to be struggling to explain some of his kinks, now clarifying that he isn't aroused by diapers.
00:14:06So then how does this diaper fetish work, then?
00:14:09It's mental.
00:14:10It's all mental for me.
00:14:11It just makes me comfortable.
00:14:12Comfortable and relaxed.
00:14:13I wore diapers in interviews to relax.
00:14:17Okay.
00:14:17Literally.
00:14:18So, but you said that...
00:14:19In fact, I call it my good luck charm.
00:14:21But you said you and Rue kind of bonded over that common interest.
00:14:26Oh, yeah.
00:14:26That and other things.
00:14:29THC.
00:14:30Sure.
00:14:31But, so, like, is it difficult for her, then, and for you, it's just...
00:14:37Well, I mean, it's not like we've never done anything, but I'm not really...
00:14:42That's not what I...
00:14:43We don't focus on that.
00:14:46We have a closet full of them.
00:14:48Of diapers?
00:14:48Yep.
00:14:49Oh, yeah.
00:14:49Um, do you know...
00:14:53And other ABDL stuff.
00:14:55There's a whole strain of stuff.
00:14:57Like, it's not just diapers.
00:14:58There's bottles and everything that you can pick up.
00:15:01Interesting.
00:15:02Um, toys that are this tall.
00:15:05You know this stupid ring thing?
00:15:07The kids play with it.
00:15:09They're this big?
00:15:09They make them this tall.
00:15:11They make cribs the size of this bigger than this room, actually.
00:15:15We have one in our living room.
00:15:17You have one right now?
00:15:19You have one right now?
00:15:20Tell him, are you?
00:15:21In her interview, Larissa provides more detail.
00:15:24I, um, basically like to be baby.
00:15:27Um, he's my daddy.
00:15:28Okay, so he stays like an adult, but...
00:15:31He sometimes will get diapered with me, but he's like a diaper lover.
00:15:35Okay.
00:15:36But, um...
00:15:38No, that doesn't sound good.
00:15:40No, that's totally fine.
00:15:42There's no shame or shame going at you.
00:15:44I'm just hearing everything in context.
00:15:46Honestly, I think it, I get, I get that it would sound like that.
00:15:50Is there a component to that for you or for him?
00:15:52Um, sometimes we have diapers, but...
00:15:55That's fine.
00:15:57I mean, like, like I said, it's not, there's no shame to that.
00:15:59I just don't understand, I just don't know it, right?
00:16:01That's when it's asking the question.
00:16:02Um, and then the age, you, does his age, you said sometimes he is the younger?
00:16:11Occasionally he can be, but it's rare.
00:16:13And, um, what are your ranges again?
00:16:15Um, my ranges, when I'm really, really stressed, is, um, infant to about four.
00:16:24Um...
00:16:24Okay.
00:16:25Whenever I am just kind of needing to de-stress a tiny bit, I'll get in, like, teen gear,
00:16:34where it's, like, pigtails and kitten ears and stuff you can go out in public with.
00:16:40The detectives with John bring this line of questioning back to their daughter.
00:16:43I mean, she's young, does she even realize that it's unusual for you guys to wear diapers?
00:16:50We don't do a bunch of crazy stuff in front of her, it's not like we're doing scenes in
00:16:54front of her, in front of her or anything.
00:16:56So where is she when that's happening?
00:16:58What do you mean?
00:16:58We're not doing scenes.
00:17:00That's the thing, is what I'm saying, is we're wearing it around like a pair.
00:17:03Our diapers are a pair of underwear.
00:17:05She's seen them, yes.
00:17:07I mean, there's a closet.
00:17:08I mean, she's gotten into the closet, she's four, she gets into everything.
00:17:11Of course.
00:17:12While it seems that Larissa and John have many interests in common, there are aspects
00:17:16of their relationship where they don't agree.
00:17:19I don't know exactly how everything she does outside of the house.
00:17:22Okay.
00:17:22Is that mutual?
00:17:25Like, is that, are you cool with that?
00:17:28Not exactly, but part of, we're in a poly relationship, so I'm, like, knew there was
00:17:35a poly thing in it.
00:17:36So she was poly before she met me.
00:17:39Yeah.
00:17:39Then she became monogamous, like, what, five, six months into her relationship for me slash
00:17:46us.
00:17:46John explains that last year, Larissa wanted their relationship to become polyamorous again.
00:17:51I mean, it was an ultimatum, but yeah.
00:17:53It was an ultimatum.
00:17:54Yeah.
00:17:55I mean, how does that make you feel?
00:17:56How does that make you feel now?
00:17:57I struggle with that all the time.
00:17:59Yeah.
00:18:00Because of our daughter, that's the only reason.
00:18:02It's always been, my daughter is important, and the mother of my daughter is important.
00:18:09Because they do most important things in my life.
00:18:11Larissa's conversation about her online communication, specifically her use of the app Kik, returns
00:18:17to their daughter.
00:18:18Has anyone ever asked you for pictures of...
00:18:21Not in the groups.
00:18:22Okay.
00:18:23How about one-on-one with people?
00:18:24I've had a few one-on-one conversations.
00:18:26Okay.
00:18:27Most of them have been clean.
00:18:29None of them have been dirty about her.
00:18:31Has anyone ever tried?
00:18:33There's been a few people who've tried.
00:18:34Okay.
00:18:35Tell me about those.
00:18:36Just, occasionally, you'll find a dude who is like, oh, you're into EDLG, EDL?
00:18:43How was your kid?
00:18:45Mm-hmm.
00:18:45I'm like, um, no.
00:18:48What did you say?
00:18:49Typically, I will either change the subject or just not report, but like, ban their, block
00:18:56their little thing.
00:18:58Like block them?
00:18:59Yeah.
00:18:59Okay.
00:19:00This discussion appears to strike a nerve with Larissa.
00:19:03Though it may seem obvious why the topic bothers the mother, what exactly has her feeling
00:19:07emotional won't be clear until later.
00:19:10Hey, you okay?
00:19:11Deep breath.
00:19:12You're doing great.
00:19:14I'm just so anxious because this is horrible.
00:19:17Some guys will pay for that.
00:19:19Pay for pictures and stuff like that of your kids.
00:19:22I'm like, is that a surprise to hear?
00:19:24I mean, it's not a surprise to hear, but yeah, I've never been paid for anything like
00:19:28that.
00:19:28The only thing I've ever been paid for was my ex-husband.
00:19:31I won't pay for like alcohol for me.
00:19:33Oh, okay.
00:19:34For now.
00:19:34That's it.
00:19:35Have you ever sold yourself?
00:19:37Other than the time for alcohol?
00:19:39Oh, myself?
00:19:40Yeah.
00:19:40Yeah.
00:19:41Okay.
00:19:42You've sold me with your daughter?
00:19:44No.
00:19:44Never.
00:19:45Ever.
00:19:46All right.
00:19:46Have you ever taken them and then not sent them?
00:19:48No.
00:19:49Okay.
00:19:49After beating around the bush for over an hour with John, the detectives finally dive
00:19:53deeper into why they're there.
00:19:55Well, so then a little bit more about our investigation, do you want to go into a little
00:20:02bit more?
00:20:03Yeah, sure.
00:20:04So we got a report of an image of a child that was being shared through Kik.
00:20:18If she is, it's an accidental picture.
00:20:20Tell me about that, about an accidental picture that might have been.
00:20:22I don't know.
00:20:23I'm just saying if it happened, I don't know about it.
00:20:26That's what I mean.
00:20:28But do you have any idea how something like this would become, would come associated with
00:20:32you?
00:20:33And I mean, so keep in mind like...
00:20:34Well, the ABDL thing, people link that stuff all the time.
00:20:39All the time because they think it's some kind of child thing or...
00:20:43Okay.
00:20:44They think it's, I mean, so many people think that's foul, wearing a diaper as an adult.
00:20:50I get blocked, deleted, and all that kind of stuff.
00:20:55It just comes with the territory.
00:20:57As their conversation continues, the detectives with Larissa inform her that the warrant includes
00:21:01a search of her phone.
00:21:03What kinds of things will we find that you're aware of that we'll find?
00:21:07A lot of...
00:21:08Okay.
00:21:09Of me.
00:21:10Of you?
00:21:10A lot of me and a lot of videos I have saved of my group chats that people have sent.
00:21:20Okay.
00:21:22Any of that involve...
00:21:24Children?
00:21:26Children?
00:21:26Okay.
00:21:27Never.
00:21:28Whatever.
00:21:29All that stuff is no problem.
00:21:30Like adult, whatever.
00:21:31You can get as fetishy as you need to.
00:21:33Get as kinky as you want.
00:21:35It really doesn't involve us at all.
00:21:36Um, it's just, obviously, if someone wants to harm a child, then that becomes a problem.
00:21:42No, I would never, ever harm a child.
00:21:45When it comes to the reason why detectives are speaking with him, John appears to have
00:21:48a tough time accepting that it's even possible.
00:21:51Like I said, I'm never away from that one.
00:21:53Kid?
00:21:54Yeah.
00:21:54Except for sometimes.
00:21:56Rare.
00:21:56Very rare.
00:21:57We're talking about...
00:21:58Do you know how long I'm at that store?
00:22:0015, 20 minutes.
00:22:01It's Safeway.
00:22:02How long does it take to take a photo?
00:22:03It's two miles.
00:22:04How long does it take to take a photo?
00:22:07Seconds.
00:22:07But I'm just saying, a photo is not...
00:22:11John, I've seen the photo.
00:22:13It's...
00:22:13Yeah.
00:22:15I do the same kind of case as he does.
00:22:17I'm also in Internet Crimes Against Children.
00:22:19And I've seen a lot of CSAM.
00:22:23And I saw the picture.
00:22:25It is 100%.
00:22:27For me, it's not.
00:22:30I mean, I don't know what it is, but to me, there's a difference.
00:22:33And so, to me, the only way to be child for...
00:22:36And you're as a definition of mine.
00:22:38The only way to be a child for...
00:22:41Is one, if she's trying to make money off of it.
00:22:44And I'm talking about not necessarily just a picture of her...
00:22:47I'm not either.
00:22:49What do you think should happen to folks who are into that?
00:22:54Into, like, attracted to kids and acting on it?
00:22:59Acting on it definitely deserves something.
00:23:02Like what?
00:23:03Child.
00:23:04Okay.
00:23:05It's not something I'm into.
00:23:07It's not something I've ever been into.
00:23:08I would never want anything on this.
00:23:10Okay.
00:23:11My whole family has been nothing but this kind of thing.
00:23:16I'm protecting my daughter.
00:23:18No one will ever touch my daughter, ever.
00:23:20Okay.
00:23:22Certainly someone's trying.
00:23:24And may have.
00:23:25Okay?
00:23:26And that is clearly someone close to you.
00:23:29And I'm not trying to be mean about it.
00:23:31But I want to protect her, too.
00:23:32I do, too.
00:23:33Can I describe this picture for you?
00:23:35Go for it.
00:23:36I still don't think...
00:23:37We just don't want to, like, overwhelm you with it.
00:23:39Yeah.
00:23:39Okay.
00:23:40It's a graphic photo.
00:23:42Okay.
00:23:42And it was sent to somebody on kick or something?
00:23:44Mm-hmm.
00:23:46Yeah, honestly, I don't even know anything about it.
00:23:48How does it make you feel to know that that on the Internet, it's there and it will never
00:23:54come back?
00:23:57It will come back.
00:23:58What does that mean?
00:23:58We cannot take it off the Internet.
00:24:00Oh.
00:24:00It's out there now forever.
00:24:02How does that make you feel to know that?
00:24:05It's going to happen.
00:24:07Just whatever.
00:24:08Yeah.
00:24:09Social media is going to happen.
00:24:10Yeah.
00:24:11We threw it out the window the day it was invented.
00:24:14Yeah.
00:24:14I mean, I don't like it, but I'm just saying it.
00:24:16It's kind of, whether she, me, and me, my daughter chose to do it in the future.
00:24:22Right.
00:24:23This photo is not taking place.
00:24:24I know.
00:24:25I'm just saying that eventually I feel like it's going to happen with social media.
00:24:30Okay.
00:24:30But I'm talking about this specific image.
00:24:32I'm not talking about this.
00:24:33I understand you're talking about this specific image, and I know what you're saying, and I
00:24:38already know you can't be f***ed about it.
00:24:40Well.
00:24:41So I am the type of person that thinks about things, and I'll forget about it in 20 minutes.
00:24:47Okay.
00:24:47Because of my brain.
00:24:48No.
00:24:49Sure.
00:24:50I get that.
00:24:51I also move on.
00:24:53The detective speaking with Larissa switched topics, returning to one of their earlier discussions.
00:24:58Talk to me about fantasies.
00:25:01My fantasies would get other people arrested.
00:25:05Well.
00:25:05You want me?
00:25:06Well, it's...
00:25:07Walk me through some of your fantasies.
00:25:10Or just because we're talking about stuff, right?
00:25:15Like, what are some of the fantasies that you've had?
00:25:18I like the ideas of myself only.
00:25:23Mm-hmm.
00:25:24Okay.
00:25:25By who, specifically?
00:25:27Anyone?
00:25:28Basically, as long as they're old enough.
00:25:31Okay.
00:25:32Tell me more about that fantasy.
00:25:34I'll be laying there, and I'll be like, okay, my throat is feeling weird, and I'll be like,
00:25:38oh, it'd be nice to just be choked right now.
00:25:40Mm-hmm.
00:25:40To be taken control of.
00:25:42Yeah.
00:25:43I'm always in control of everything, so I guess I just want to lose control.
00:25:47Okay.
00:25:49I know that sounds like really...
00:25:51If you take my cake, you'll see...
00:25:53I'm not labeling anything at all.
00:25:56None of that stuff is a big deal.
00:25:58It's just trying to sort through how these...
00:26:01I'm not...
00:26:01I am not in the case.
00:26:03Okay.
00:26:04You have demonstrated to us that you are a very loving and protective father,
00:26:09and you've said it yourself, you're obsessed with your daughter.
00:26:13She's your world.
00:26:14You've wanted her since you were born.
00:26:15And right now, I'm telling you that she's being abused online, and you're just kind of...
00:26:20She's not being abused online.
00:26:23She's being exploited.
00:26:24She's being abused at home, and she's being exploited online,
00:26:27and you're just kind of whatever about it.
00:26:30So there's some...
00:26:31So who is that?
00:26:32There's some inconsistencies with the John that we met earlier
00:26:35and the John that we're meeting right now, and that...
00:26:38Well, because I know exactly what you guys tried to do.
00:26:42What's that?
00:26:43Because I know...
00:26:44You're just trying to take her...
00:26:45You're just trying to take her away from her or her mom, and...
00:26:48I don't have interest in taking a child away from a loving home.
00:26:51Period.
00:26:52She is loving.
00:26:53I will not leave a child in a dangerous situation, though,
00:26:57and that's what I'm trying to figure out.
00:26:59After the brief change of subjects,
00:27:01the detectives with Larissa once again discuss her four-year-old daughter.
00:27:05Have you ever taken any other videos of her using the bathroom
00:27:10or anything else without her clothes on?
00:27:12No, I'm not going to.
00:27:14Okay.
00:27:15Though Larissa hasn't admitted this in the other interrogation room,
00:27:18it appears that the investigators going through both of their devices
00:27:21have discovered some concerning content.
00:27:23So what's going on in that house?
00:27:26What do you mean?
00:27:26I think it's probably time that we start talking about the things
00:27:29that you don't want to talk about with Rue.
00:27:30What do you mean?
00:27:31So, Rue is getting blackout drunk.
00:27:35Oh.
00:27:36Sitting in photos.
00:27:37Rue is abusing the dog?
00:27:40No.
00:27:41Rue doesn't.
00:27:42Yeah.
00:27:42What do you mean she's abusing the dog?
00:27:44I just told her that there's next door there.
00:27:46She's abusing the dog.
00:27:48Mm-hmm.
00:27:49And now we have found evidence as well.
00:27:50Both of them?
00:27:51I don't know.
00:27:52Oh.
00:27:52Is there one that's better than the other?
00:27:54I don't know.
00:27:56I just know that she's into that kink.
00:27:59What else is she into?
00:28:01I've been to the everything.
00:28:02There's a billion things on FetLife that she's into.
00:28:06Okay.
00:28:06Literally probably over a hundred.
00:28:08Seeing that the conversation isn't going the way they planned,
00:28:11the detectives decide to take a break.
00:28:13We're just going to step out and have a chat,
00:28:14and I'll over your head back with you, okay, John?
00:28:19Just while we step out, you're still being recorded from here, okay?
00:28:22Yeah.
00:28:24Despite being left alone in the room,
00:28:26John keeps the conversation going.
00:28:31Oh, my gosh.
00:28:35I just thought of something.
00:28:40I totally forgot to tell you something.
00:28:45Very important, too.
00:28:46See, now I'm a little freaking out,
00:28:58because I'm in the room alone.
00:28:59All right, go ahead.
00:29:06Pee.
00:29:09Remember that pee?
00:29:11Yep.
00:29:11Now I really have to go home.
00:29:12Yep, I'll go over here.
00:29:14Restaurant's right there for you.
00:29:16By the way, you know what I forgot to tell you guys?
00:29:18What's up?
00:29:19John informs the officer that the important thing he remembered
00:29:22is that a friend is currently watching their dogs at their home.
00:29:25The detectives with Larissa also decide it's time for a break.
00:29:29Why don't you give us just a minute, okay?
00:29:32You want to have a minute to yourself?
00:29:35Okay.
00:29:37My purse has an inhaler in it, and I feel like I'm about to need it.
00:29:40Okay, we'll go look for that.
00:29:42Just hang out here.
00:29:43I don't want any balls or anything, okay?
00:29:45Deep breaths.
00:29:46When the officers return to speak with John,
00:29:59they confront him about more of the information they've gathered,
00:30:02this time giving a glimpse into the home life of the couple's four-year-old.
00:30:06Kids were playing out inside.
00:30:07I think she got dirt or something in her eye, and it was time to go home.
00:30:11She was getting tired and cranky, and then just ride home.
00:30:14And the lady was complaining about the way out,
00:30:17the fact that I was bringing her home because she was crying out her mind.
00:30:23And I was saying, well, you mind your own business before I shoot you, you know?
00:30:27And she reported me, and CBS was working with us,
00:30:31and we told her the exact same thing.
00:30:34According to police documents, the neighbor heard John yelling at his daughter,
00:30:38stop crying or I'm going to shoot you on one occasion.
00:30:41And a week later, he was heard yelling, just shoot me.
00:30:44Concerned for the child's well-being, the neighbor called the police.
00:30:47The responding officers noted that the four-year-old didn't show any outward signs of abuse or negligence.
00:30:53Earlier in Larissa's interview, she discussed this incident,
00:30:56and her recollection contradicts John's claim that he was yelling at the neighbor, not their child.
00:31:01One of the neighbors didn't like how he yelled at her.
00:31:03What did he say?
00:31:05I don't know. I was not there.
00:31:07So the neighbor called?
00:31:08Yeah.
00:31:09And that CBS came to the house, and like, everything's perfect, they're great,
00:31:12you're a loving family, we can see how hard you're working towards her.
00:31:15We understand you love your daughter.
00:31:17Okay.
00:31:18Following the disturbing revelations before their break,
00:31:20the detectives once again attempt to broach the unsettling subject with John.
00:31:24Is she filming the video and stuff?
00:31:26Taking pictures of it?
00:31:28And there's no way that she could be dealing with the dogs unless it's just a picture near the dogs,
00:31:33because they're both female dogs.
00:31:37What has she told you about it?
00:31:38Like, how did you learn about that?
00:31:40How did I learn about it?
00:31:42Yeah.
00:31:42So, you know, I'm in FetLife, and that's about it.
00:31:46Do I know it about it?
00:31:47What it is?
00:31:48Yes, I know what it is.
00:31:49I don't, do I care?
00:31:51So you saw images of her videos?
00:31:52No, it says it, what you're into.
00:31:56Yeah, it's not a, yeah, I don't know if there's any, I don't scope every single picture.
00:32:02I mean, I've seen all her FetLife pictures,
00:32:05but I don't go looking for every kink that she might be into.
00:32:11Returning to interview Larissa, the other detectives have decided to take a different approach.
00:32:16As you probably gathered, we do a lot of these investigations.
00:32:19We've talked to, well, I've talked to dozens.
00:32:22You've probably talked to hundreds of people in your situation or circumstance.
00:32:26So we have experience on how people react to things when we tell them stuff.
00:32:31And the fact that we tell you that there are explicit imageries of your four-year-old daughter on the Internet,
00:32:39and not one single tear has came out of your eye during your crying.
00:32:46That's not a thing, right?
00:32:48We talk to parents all the time and say, hey, your daughter's image is here,
00:32:53and they're falling on the ground, throwing up, crying, bawling, wailing.
00:32:57That's a normal human response.
00:33:00So it's just unusual, okay?
00:33:02I can understand that.
00:33:03I was crying a lot at work today, too.
00:33:05What, were the actual tears or just the...
00:33:08It's just, this comes out right now.
00:33:10Okay.
00:33:10But the problem is, is that that same image finds its way on Kik, it gets uploaded to the Internet.
00:33:21And similar images.
00:33:22It's not just that one.
00:33:25So...
00:33:26You see where this is like, I can't understand things, right?
00:33:31And that's our entire job, is to understand things.
00:33:33There's forensic guys actively looking through all the stuff right now.
00:33:36It doesn't match up with what you're telling us.
00:33:38I black out a lot because I drink a lot, so I'm honestly telling you what I remember.
00:33:45Mm-hmm.
00:33:46If I did something I don't remember, I'm not sure.
00:33:49I'm drunk a lot.
00:33:50That's not a good enough excuse.
00:33:52I know it's not a good enough excuse.
00:33:53I'm just saying under sobriety, soberness, I would never, ever do anything like that.
00:34:00And I don't think drunk me would either.
00:34:02But if you're saying this is happening...
00:34:05I told her I wouldn't lie to you.
00:34:09John's interview has been shocking so far, but it's about to take an unexpected turn.
00:34:14What has she told you about her interest in me?
00:34:18Yeah, it doesn't bug me.
00:34:21No, what has she told you about it?
00:34:23Oh, nothing necessarily.
00:34:25It's come up in conversation, so...
00:34:27Oh, yeah, and it doesn't bug me.
00:34:29I'm not asking if it bugged you, I'm asking you what she said.
00:34:32What did you tell me about?
00:34:32Oh, not that she's into it, but I did.
00:34:36Oh, well, son's out.
00:34:38Like, is that...
00:34:38That's kind of how we are.
00:34:39Okay.
00:34:40I mean...
00:34:41Our relationship, I mean.
00:34:42And I'm not questioning your lack of judgment.
00:34:46I guess I'm into more things than most...
00:34:48No, that's not my question.
00:34:50So just...
00:34:50Okay, what do you want?
00:34:51I think that you think I'm judging you, and I'm not.
00:34:54Oh, no.
00:34:55My question is, like...
00:34:58But I don't judge her either.
00:35:00And that's not what I'm questioning either.
00:35:00If she's into it, then do it.
00:35:02Is that one that you shared with her yesterday?
00:35:04You said there's a copy of hundreds of fetishes.
00:35:06No.
00:35:06That's not what it was.
00:35:07It's not one that I'm against or shared.
00:35:10Basically, it's...
00:35:12I don't judge people.
00:35:14I'm open to very...
00:35:15A lot of things.
00:35:16So I might be old, but I'm open to a lot of stuff that the current generation's into.
00:35:22Meaning I'm not against it.
00:35:24Like, all the damn different genders, I'm not against it.
00:35:28I can't say all the LGBT...
00:35:30There's too many letters now.
00:35:33I can't say them all.
00:35:34But I'm not against it.
00:35:35In fact, I go to Pride every...
00:35:36In fact, me...
00:35:38Pride last year.
00:35:39She calls it the Rainbow Parade.
00:35:42And it's what it is.
00:35:43She sees all kinds of images because there's...
00:35:45The dogs there, or what are they called?
00:35:48You guys...
00:35:49I don't know if you guys know what cosplay is.
00:35:52What are they called?
00:35:53Furries.
00:35:54Dudes in leather.
00:35:55And my daughter's seen it all.
00:35:57After trying a more confrontational approach, the detectives speaking with Larissa finally
00:36:02began to get the truth, and it's even more horrific than they imagined.
00:36:06So can you please tell us why your daughter's images are online?
00:36:14I've only ever sent it to one person a week ago.
00:36:17Send what?
00:36:18Those pictures.
00:36:20What?
00:36:20How many pictures?
00:36:22Those two.
00:36:23There's more than two.
00:36:24But I only remember sending those two.
00:36:27Okay.
00:36:27Describe those two images to me, please.
00:36:30The bath and the...
00:36:32In type of rash.
00:36:34Okay, the rash one.
00:36:36We'll call it the rash image, okay.
00:36:39Who did you send it to?
00:36:42Um...
00:36:43Panda something.
00:36:48Panda.
00:36:49And that was on what platform?
00:36:51Cake.
00:36:52Cake.
00:36:52And when did that happen?
00:36:54Probably when I was really hammered a few weeks ago.
00:36:57Okay.
00:36:57So it was a couple weeks.
00:37:00And how much did they pay you for that image?
00:37:04If anything.
00:37:06They just wanted to save it.
00:37:08Why?
00:37:09Why?
00:37:11Panda asked.
00:37:13What do you remember about that?
00:37:15I know we were constantly talking dirty and everything.
00:37:20Was this a direct DMs?
00:37:22Or was it a thing?
00:37:24DMs.
00:37:24Okay.
00:37:25How long have you known Panda?
00:37:28Um...
00:37:29A month or two.
00:37:31Panda had also come up in John's interview earlier when discussing his and Larissa's polyamorous relationship.
00:37:37There's only two guys that I know strictly right now.
00:37:40And that's her boyfriend in Everett, Devin, who she works with.
00:37:47And, uh, some online guy from Facebook named Panda.
00:37:52But they haven't been in person?
00:37:53No, he's in Florida or something.
00:37:56Larissa's boyfriend, Devin Lowry, would eventually come up again.
00:37:59Now, you said you sent a second picture.
00:38:02What was that picture?
00:38:03Just the other platform.
00:38:05That one was completely harmless.
00:38:08And who?
00:38:09It was completely harmless, too.
00:38:10It just ended up.
00:38:11Oh, what was it?
00:38:11It's not just somebody.
00:38:13No?
00:38:14That's not...
00:38:15So...
00:38:15One step forward, two step backs.
00:38:17These are harmful pictures.
00:38:20Did you send that to who?
00:38:22The second one?
00:38:23The same person.
00:38:24Okay.
00:38:24Was this the same time?
00:38:26Or a different time?
00:38:27It might have been the same time or very close.
00:38:29No.
00:38:31Okay.
00:38:32If Panda wanted to see other kinds of pictures of her, would you have sent them?
00:38:36No.
00:38:38But you just said that maybe drunk you could have done that.
00:38:43I would never hurt my daughter.
00:38:44I believe that.
00:38:46I would never hurt her.
00:38:48But if someone wants to see a picture of her and she's already in the tub, that wouldn't hurt her.
00:38:52That wouldn't injure her.
00:38:54I don't do it to her, no.
00:38:57These were all innocently taken.
00:38:59And misused.
00:39:02What happens when you get drunk?
00:39:05Drunk, drunk.
00:39:06I don't remember anything.
00:39:08It's like somebody else takes over.
00:39:11And what does that takeover look like?
00:39:14I've been told that I am moody and aggressive.
00:39:19Have you ever been told you're dominant?
00:39:23Only towards my fiancée, yes.
00:39:26How does your dominance present itself?
00:39:29Usually it's towards Irish.
00:39:31Explain that to me, if you would.
00:39:34Usually it's towards Irish.
00:39:36Sometimes I will have group chats where I'm commanding in those.
00:39:42It's an online text-based group chat where I basically command people to do stuff.
00:39:47Despite the gravity of the situation, John is adamant with his denial.
00:39:51I don't think that she's trying to sell content, necessarily.
00:39:55Maybe content in other forms of me and her, or me and her neighbors, or me and her...
00:40:01Or me...
00:40:02Her in the bathroom, maybe by herself.
00:40:05But me...
00:40:07If somebody's seen an image, or she's sharing an image on her, it was just communicating with somebody and she's shared an image.
00:40:17I don't necessarily like it, but I know this has happened and I know it's gonna happen.
00:40:24So, exploitation is just kind of inevitability?
00:40:27Pretty much, in this day and age.
00:40:30While Larissa has been inching towards the truth about the images, she isn't quite ready to come clean just yet.
00:40:35I truly have a bad memory.
00:40:38Well, bad memory and being drunk are two different things.
00:40:41I have a bad memory, but I'm sober as could be.
00:40:44It's both of them.
00:40:46So you're constantly blackout, drunk, and you don't remember things?
00:40:51Yeah.
00:40:52That's a bad combo.
00:40:53I know.
00:40:53I personally know I would never hurt my daughter drunk or not.
00:40:56I believe you.
00:40:57But I might have taken pictures when I was drunk.
00:41:02The images don't show her in pain, I just want to be clear.
00:41:04Because your repeated statements to me is, I would never hurt her.
00:41:08Yeah.
00:41:08And what I'm saying is, it's clearly illegal images.
00:41:14It's not ambiguous, right?
00:41:16We didn't scramble up a team to come talk to you today because it was on the fence.
00:41:21Or it was a bathtub, bulk bath situation.
00:41:24So, help me understand, because I really want to understand, to unburden you with this.
00:41:31I honestly, I don't remember taking the other pictures.
00:41:35If I took them, I obviously deleted them when I was drunk because I don't remember.
00:41:40I have no actual, like, before you said anything about them, I only knew about those two.
00:41:47Okay.
00:41:48But you don't seem super surprised.
00:41:50Um.
00:41:51Because it sounds like it's within the realm of things that could happen during these blackout
00:41:55drunk spells.
00:41:57Yeah.
00:41:57I went to jail twice because of it with DV.
00:42:00Oh, with the drunkenness?
00:42:02Okay.
00:42:03That's why I'm not surprised.
00:42:05But I just...
00:42:07Does it bother you that you're doing that?
00:42:09It really...
00:42:10Excuse me.
00:42:12I'm not that kind of person, literally.
00:42:15So what about now, knowing that Ruth's taking pictures of her, explicit pictures of her,
00:42:21and sending her...
00:42:22Well, that picture that you described, I would have to have more content.
00:42:25That's not enough information.
00:42:28That's about 2%.
00:42:29Because I would have to see all the conversation before the picture,
00:42:33and all the conversation after the picture,
00:42:35and any conversations you had with the person.
00:42:37So what's the...
00:42:38To what context is that an okay picture?
00:42:41Huh?
00:42:41In what context is that an okay picture to send?
00:42:43There's so many different things it could be.
00:42:46Okay.
00:42:46That's the thing.
00:42:47It could be a friend sharing a picture of her.
00:42:51So it's okay to send an explicit picture of your daughter as long as it's to a friend?
00:42:56To me, that's not explicit, though.
00:42:59Remember?
00:42:59So you don't feel like you need to get safe from that?
00:43:02Oh, no.
00:43:02What I'm saying is I'm going to still continue precautionaries.
00:43:07I guess.
00:43:08I don't know.
00:43:09How are you going to keep her safe from that?
00:43:11Rue?
00:43:12Yeah.
00:43:13Talk to Rue and figure out what the s*** is going on.
00:43:16In her interview, Larissa claims that her conversations with Panda had recently taken a turn.
00:43:21When did things start to get a little bit different with Panda?
00:43:24A week or two ago.
00:43:25Okay.
00:43:26Does he ever mention anything about being into kids?
00:43:29Yes.
00:43:30He has mentioned.
00:43:30Okay.
00:43:31So tell me what he said.
00:43:34He wants to eventually have a family so he can just look at them.
00:43:42Is that what he said to you or is that what you guessed he meant?
00:43:45It's not the exact words, but basically what he said to me.
00:43:50They once again return to the topic of the images.
00:43:53Tell me what he's asking for.
00:43:55He just wants to see her.
00:43:57Okay.
00:43:58He says, I mean, does he know her name?
00:44:02I think I might have said it to him once, but he just, he calls it sleeves.
00:44:08Oh, okay.
00:44:11Okay.
00:44:11Let me, let me say the same sentence, but a different way.
00:44:15Okay.
00:44:16So I sent explicit images to a guy on kick who is excited by children's images.
00:44:30That sounds way dirtier.
00:44:31Yes, I understand how it sounds when you say it.
00:44:33It's the same thing.
00:44:35Right?
00:44:35And the thing is, like, when I say it, that's what happened.
00:44:40Right?
00:44:41But when you say it, it's, like, way down here, like, you know, I don't see what the
00:44:46big deal is about all this stuff, right?
00:44:48No, I understand that.
00:44:49And that's kind of scary for me because it doesn't, I don't believe that your head's
00:44:53in the right space of what's actually happening.
00:44:57It probably isn't.
00:44:58I have DID, too.
00:45:00You can look at my medical charts.
00:45:02You have what?
00:45:03DID.
00:45:04What's that?
00:45:06Identity.
00:45:07It's a personality disorder.
00:45:11It's different people in my head.
00:45:13Oh.
00:45:14But it's medically in my charts if you need to.
00:45:16Oh, I believe you.
00:45:18I just don't really know much about it.
00:45:20That's why I was asking.
00:45:22But you can see how, like, that's concerning, right?
00:45:24Yeah.
00:45:25Okay.
00:45:27That's the kind of hurdle that I'm trying to get past right now.
00:45:31No, I know.
00:45:32They're not innocent.
00:45:33And it is a big deal because you're sending them to some guy on a gig.
00:45:38They intend to escalate.
00:45:41They'll start off with what you're doing and then they get worse.
00:45:45Because the people that you're sending them to, they want, they're aroused by them.
00:45:49I understand that.
00:45:50With Larissa admitting to sending the images, the detectives with John attempt to confront him.
00:45:55Rue just admitted.
00:45:58To what?
00:45:59To.
00:46:01I mean.
00:46:01Abusing.
00:46:02What do you mean?
00:46:03What do I mean?
00:46:03Again, I need more.
00:46:06Abusing means, I don't know what that means.
00:46:10Well.
00:46:10It's disabled.
00:46:11I don't know.
00:46:12She's.
00:46:13Does it matter?
00:46:14Yes.
00:46:14Because there's two different contexts.
00:46:17Okay.
00:46:17So if she's getting off, is it better or is it better if somebody else is getting off?
00:46:22If she's getting off or I, it's her own thing.
00:46:26I don't.
00:46:27Okay.
00:46:27I can't judge again.
00:46:29Can you help me understand that?
00:46:30Because it's two different people.
00:46:34And two different contents.
00:46:36Context.
00:46:37Like I said, two different scenarios to me.
00:46:41Well, help me understand that because to me it's not.
00:46:44To you it's not to me and it's, like I said, it's two different scenarios.
00:46:49You explain it yourself.
00:46:51One's somebody else.
00:46:52One's her.
00:46:53One's her parent.
00:46:56So it's okay for a parent to lose a child.
00:46:59Just not somebody else.
00:47:00I'm going to tell you something right now, John.
00:47:02I don't think that you can keep her safe.
00:47:04Why?
00:47:04Because you're telling me right now that it's okay that Rue is abusing her.
00:47:08But that's fine.
00:47:09You absolutely just did.
00:47:11You just told me that it's okay.
00:47:13I just said it's a different scenario.
00:47:14No, you said it's fine.
00:47:15You said that's her thing and it's no big deal.
00:47:16But if she's sending it to somebody else, then that's due.
00:47:18I can't judge her.
00:47:19I can't judge her.
00:47:21How are you going to keep doing it?
00:47:22See, he knows, but you don't.
00:47:24I can't judge Rue based on what she's into.
00:47:28I don't care what she's into.
00:47:30She's into your daughter.
00:47:33That's her daughter.
00:47:34I'm into my daughter, but not.
00:47:36Okay, you see the problem here?
00:47:38No.
00:47:39The problem is that.
00:47:39My brain doesn't, I guess.
00:47:41And that's a huge problem.
00:47:43If you can't see that, then I know that you can.
00:47:45Oh, no.
00:47:46No, I can't.
00:47:49Because I can tell you right now.
00:47:50No, what I'm saying is I can keep her from Rue.
00:47:53Oh, God.
00:47:54No.
00:47:55That's not what I'm...
00:47:56You can't.
00:47:56You can't keep her safe.
00:47:58I'm not going to let her.
00:47:59It's new evidence.
00:48:01That's why I don't...
00:48:03I can't say anything about her or the other person.
00:48:06It's two different scenarios.
00:48:08I will never hurt her body.
00:48:10I will never touch her in that type of way.
00:48:12I accidentally took...
00:48:14It's not an accident.
00:48:16I took the photos.
00:48:18I...
00:48:18I deserve what's going to happen to me.
00:48:23There's no reason for it.
00:48:26Well, Larissa, thanks for being honest about it.
00:48:28That's huge.
00:48:28I do really only remember those two pictures.
00:48:33Police documents reveal that despite Larissa's claim she only sent two images, a video of
00:48:38her four-year-old daughter using the toilet was also sent.
00:48:41A shower curtain and potty training seat visible in the video were matched to items in Larissa
00:48:45and John's home.
00:48:49I'm sorry if this seems like I was staring at you.
00:48:51I'm staring like right at your stomach.
00:48:52I did not even recognize that that might be what you're looking at, but thanks for
00:48:56the heads up.
00:48:57Would it make you at all feel better to write a letter?
00:49:01Apology letter?
00:49:02Is this something you want to do?
00:49:04Okay.
00:49:05As revealed by police documents, Larissa's apology letter reads,
00:49:08I've done you wrong.
00:49:10You don't deserve to be seen in that way yet.
00:49:12You are the reason I continue.
00:49:13There are no words that can express the guilt I feel knowing now the consequences of my actions.
00:49:19I love you, my angel.
00:49:21Mommy would never do anything to hurt you.
00:49:23I'm sorry your images are exposed.
00:49:25I deserve whatever happens to me.
00:49:27I hope you never, ever go through this again.
00:49:29I would give anything to keep you completely protected.
00:49:32Rue is abusing her.
00:49:34I don't know what you're not understanding about that.
00:49:36Rue is over there writing an apology letter for the way that she has abused and exploited
00:49:40her daughter, your daughter that you claim that you're obsessed with,
00:49:43your daughter, that is your life, that you love, that you have wanted your entire life,
00:49:47that you don't want to be apart from,
00:49:48that you've just told us that she would do anything to protect,
00:49:50that you won't let her be alone with other people.
00:49:52But that woman who helped you create her, who helped you raise her,
00:49:56one of the four people that changes her diaper,
00:49:58is abusing her, is exploiting her.
00:50:00And is sending pictures to God knows who online.
00:50:05And like I told you before, that picture is out there and it will never go away.
00:50:08That picture will be passed around from pedophile to pedophile for eternity.
00:50:13And your reaction right now is why I know I'm not safe with you.
00:50:19Well, what, so I'm a different person though.
00:50:23You're probably trying to say I'm not capable of taking care of my kid.
00:50:26I'm not trying to, I am actually saying it.
00:50:29I am capable of taking care of my daughter.
00:50:31You guys don't think I'm capable of taking care of her because I didn't know what's going on.
00:50:37This is the key thing.
00:50:39It has nothing to do with you not knowing what's going on.
00:50:41I've seen people not know what's going on and that's absolutely horrible.
00:50:44It's tragic.
00:50:44I have seen that repeatedly and it breaks my heart to watch that.
00:50:49You are telling me right now that it's okay, that you can't judge her.
00:50:53I can't say anything.
00:50:54I have to have a conversation with her.
00:50:56I would lose my mind if I found out that my mind doesn't work that way.
00:51:03You guys don't know me is the problem.
00:51:05I think you need some help and this is maybe the first step.
00:51:08We should agree with that.
00:51:10Yeah.
00:51:14Is there anything else that you want to let us know about what's happening that we didn't ask the right question or?
00:51:22I don't want to tell you everything now.
00:51:26Really, I'm sorry.
00:51:28She doesn't deserve this.
00:51:31I didn't see it before, but I basically put her in my shoes prematurely.
00:51:37I didn't touch her, but I still hurt her.
00:51:41And I didn't represent her.
00:51:45Yeah, I mean, that stuff is exploitative.
00:51:47I know you know that now.
00:51:48And you may have had an inkling for it and not fully understood.
00:51:54I don't know where your head was at during those chats, but for sure you can't be doing that.
00:51:59I'm not interested.
00:52:00Do you think if tonight didn't happen, you would have sent out more images like this of your daughter, whether it be drunk, blacked out drunk or not?
00:52:11No, I was getting uncomfortable with him anyway because he was talking about his mom too much.
00:52:18After this horrific reveal, the detectives with John share an update about his daughter.
00:52:23She's been taken into protective custody.
00:52:27She is with CPS and she's going to be placed somewhere safe.
00:52:30She is not going home with you.
00:52:32She is not going home with Rue.
00:52:34That is not going to be a thing that happens.
00:52:37I don't know what the future looks like.
00:52:40I am completely removed from that.
00:52:42But I can tell you right now that CPS will get a copy of this report and they will get the transcript of this interview if they ask for it.
00:52:49My problem is I don't know things like you think you guys know.
00:52:53And that's a problem.
00:52:54I'm not saying that I can't.
00:52:56She can't protect herself.
00:52:57She is relying on you and her to protect her.
00:53:00I'm not saying I can't protect her that way.
00:53:02No, I am.
00:53:04I am saying that.
00:53:04So what?
00:53:05I don't.
00:53:05See, what I'm talking about is I don't know how to explain that I know how to protect her.
00:53:09You can't.
00:53:10You can't explain it.
00:53:12Because I don't.
00:53:13My brain doesn't know how to explain it.
00:53:15But that doesn't mean I don't know how to take care of my daughter.
00:53:18You've explained it plenty well, John.
00:53:21Following this confrontation, the detectives attempt to wrap things up with John.
00:53:25But this proves to be a challenge.
00:53:27Do you certify or declare under the penalty of perjury under the laws of the state of Washington
00:53:31that your statement is true and correct to the best of your knowledge?
00:53:35Now I feel differently.
00:53:38How so?
00:53:40You see, I was trying to take my daughter away for stuff I didn't even know was going
00:53:45on.
00:53:46I'm asking you about the statement that you made, though.
00:53:49It was the statement that you gave me true.
00:53:50Yeah, but I wouldn't have done any of this without knowing.
00:53:53Okay.
00:53:54Without a lawyer.
00:53:55But was your statement true and correct?
00:53:56That's what I'm asking you.
00:53:59I don't understand a lot of the conversation we had.
00:54:02I don't understand a lot.
00:54:03The things that came out of your mouth, were you telling me the truth or were you telling
00:54:06me a lie?
00:54:07I was sort of lying, but I don't understand.
00:54:09You don't understand the things that came out of your own mouth?
00:54:11Some of them.
00:54:12Okay.
00:54:13Which ones do you not understand?
00:54:14But it's just because I don't know how to explain them.
00:54:17As Larissa's interview also nears an end, she has a final question, one which shows where
00:54:29her concern lies.
00:54:30Not that I actually need to know the information or want to know, but how long does something
00:54:36like this keep in the jail for?
00:54:38Usually the rest of your life, right?
00:54:40No.
00:54:40No.
00:54:42Pitches don't put you in jail for the rest of your life?
00:54:45Mm-mm.
00:54:46They don't.
00:54:49The task, and if it's forced, it's automatic.
00:54:51The time is now 23-03.
00:54:52Let's keep rest of the statement.
00:54:54What do you mean?
00:54:55I shouldn't have walked away with my daughter.
00:54:58Right.
00:54:58Uh, I'm going to take you back upstairs.
00:55:11As Larissa awaits her fate, she shares one last regret.
00:55:15It was all for the satisfaction of someone else, not me.
00:55:19I think that's why I just feel so bad, because I didn't even do it for me.
00:55:24I did it for somebody else, and she doesn't do it like that.
00:55:28Following their interrogations, John and Larissa were both arrested.
00:55:32Soon after arriving at the jail, Larissa began contacting her boyfriend, Devin Lowry, over
00:55:37recorded video jail calls.
00:55:39Hey, I love you.
00:55:40Hey, I love you too.
00:55:42How are you doing?
00:55:46I cry every day.
00:55:47Despite the gravity of the situation, Larissa appeared to have no problem keeping the mood
00:55:53light.
00:55:54And yes, I am embracing the trip well.
00:56:00I don't even get a hairbrush, but look.
00:56:03No.
00:56:06My hair is all brushed out still.
00:56:07I use my fingers.
00:56:09John was released soon after his arrest, while Larissa remained in custody.
00:56:13During their call, Devin revealed that he'd been in contact with John.
00:56:17I had gotten him a temporary phone, at least, so he could contact the CPS person.
00:56:29He's not allowed to have internet.
00:56:32He did not tell me that part.
00:56:36He told me that they had dropped everything for him.
00:56:40Stupid.
00:56:40Anyway, I know we're not supposed to talk about that stuff, but I...
00:56:46Yeah.
00:56:52He keeps asking me for boxes to pack up all your stuff.
00:56:58By the end of her interrogation, Larissa had apparently known that her relationship with
00:57:02John was over, as she asked the detectives to return something to him.
00:57:07It's just his result.
00:57:09Yeah.
00:57:09He's not going to want me after this.
00:57:12Following his release, John headed to the police station to collect some of the items
00:57:16that had been taken from their apartment as part of the investigation.
00:57:21I'm keeping this.
00:57:22You can have this stuff.
00:57:32It's basically a contract for the Dom-Sub relationship that you guys had.
00:57:38With her and John's relationship evidently finished, Larissa had other things on her mind.
00:57:47Mike said that he's going to work on the divorce while I'm in here so we can get married when I get out.
00:57:52Okay.
00:57:55I don't need a ring.
00:57:57I know you don't.
00:57:58Just you.
00:57:59I did not even think about it at all until R.C. said something.
00:58:04And then I was like, R.C., well, technically she's supposed to give me one now.
00:58:09If I had money to get you a nice ring, that would be going for the fancy lawyer right now.
00:58:18I don't know how I got lucky enough to get you that I don't deserve you.
00:58:23Yes, you do.
00:58:24I would do a jailhouse wedding tomorrow if you, if I could.
00:58:31Though it's unclear what exactly Larissa told Devin about why she was in jail,
00:58:35it appears that the story was altered from the one she revealed during interrogation.
00:58:39During their call, Devin shared what he discussed with his mother about Larissa's situation.
00:58:44I was kind of telling her and told her, I was like, yeah, you remember how when I was little,
00:58:52you had a picture of me and another friend of hers had two kids about my age splashing in a tub together.
00:59:02You had that same picture of me.
00:59:04And she's like, yeah, I know.
00:59:05She's like, I totally could see how something like that could happen.
00:59:08So, yeah, she's, anyway, she totally is like, yeah, I see how you could get messed up for something that's innocent.
00:59:21Over the next few weeks, Larissa and Devin managed to maintain contact.
00:59:24And during some of their conversation, she made her feelings towards John known.
00:59:29Do not try to contact me unless it's about my child or getting more of my things.
00:59:34Ugh, tell you how much John screwed me over.
00:59:37The majority of their conversations, however, took on a much different tone.
00:59:42But hey, I had a good dream last night.
00:59:45Oh, yeah?
00:59:47You were in it.
00:59:49Was I normal or naughty?
00:59:52Both.
00:59:53You're such a pervert.
00:59:55And then you smile about it.
00:59:57Because it's fun to see your reaction.
01:00:01I miss my tongue ring because it was fun whenever I stuck it out at people.
01:00:05It would be like, so, fun note, which I don't think we've ever did before, and I'm demanding it.
01:00:19You've never French kissed me.
01:00:22I've never French kissed anybody.
01:00:24Well, let's change it when I get out.
01:00:28As long as we can change one other thing, too.
01:00:31My last name?
01:00:33Okay, two other things.
01:00:35What?
01:00:40On the same note.
01:00:45I was actually thinking about that the other day.
01:00:48Speaking of, that's one of my other annoyances with it, only showing your face.
01:01:04You're a dork.
01:01:07I mean, I'm sorry, but...
01:01:10You're a man.
01:01:11Yes?
01:01:12That's one thing I've been craving.
01:01:15What?
01:01:16You.
01:01:18You'll have to do old school and draw your...
01:01:22Hey, girl!
01:01:24Hey, Steph.
01:01:26How are you doing?
01:01:27As good as I can be.
01:01:29Yeah, I bet.
01:01:31Not me, I'm just looking at your...
01:01:32First.
01:01:32I mean, they're kind of hard to not look at right now, so...
01:01:37Yeah, boy, yeah.
01:01:38I can't see them, but the boys are over here.
01:01:41Hi, guys.
01:01:42Your mom tells me a lot about you.
01:01:45Your kid is entertaining.
01:01:47Oh, this one back here?
01:01:49Yeah.
01:01:50All right, well, you have a good day with your kids.
01:01:53All right.
01:01:54See you soon, hopefully.
01:01:56Hopefully.
01:01:56It seemed Larissa had a new perspective on her situation.
01:02:01You're not a bad person.
01:02:02Sometimes you just do bad things.
01:02:05And it gave me hope.
01:02:07According to official records, Larissa Jordan was arrested on suspicion of animal cruelty,
01:02:12exploitation of a minor via live performance or photograph,
01:02:15and possession and distribution of depictions of a minor engaged in explicit conduct.
01:02:20Her bond was set at $250,000, and she was held until May 8, 2025, when the state charges were
01:02:27dismissed, and according to court records, she was released from state incarceration.
01:02:32She was then promptly arrested on federal charges.
01:02:35Larissa is now being indicted for the production of explicit material involving minors.
01:02:39She's also accused of distributing, engaging in communications with others that involved
01:02:44assaulting children and soliciting images of a father abusing his four children.
01:02:48She's currently awaiting trial.
01:02:51In June, 2025, John Whitwell sought a domestic violence protection order against Larissa,
01:02:56where he included allegations of her physically assaulting him,
01:02:59including giving him a black eye and breaking his toe on separate occasions.
01:03:03He was denied because Larissa is in federal custody.
01:03:06He refiled in July.
01:03:08Their daughter is currently in foster care and is the subject of a dependency proceeding.
01:03:13At the time of this video, there are no other updates available about the identity
01:03:16of the person Larissa sent the images to.
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