Crimewatch Live Season 22 Episode 07

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00:00Good morning, thanks very much for joining us.

00:25And we are starting today with a very positive update.

00:28Back in March, we were joined by D.I. Richard Stott

00:31from the Cambridgeshire Constabulary,

00:33who was investigating a no-body murder of a missing woman

00:35called Julie Buckley.

00:37Well, we are thrilled to say that 48-year-old Carl Hutchins

00:41has now pleaded guilty to her murder,

00:44and her remains have been located.

00:46Hutchins himself is yet to be sentenced.

00:48Yeah, it just shows you, doesn't it,

00:49your calls really do make a difference.

00:51We've already had loads of reported sightings of our wanted faces

00:55and information about the appeal, so thank you so much for that.

00:59All of it has been passed over to the police now.

01:02Today, do you recognise this man?

01:06Officers from Avon and Somerset want to track him down

01:08after a vicious assault on a 70-year-old man.

01:12Also today, we'll be hearing how a calculated predator

01:15drugged men so he could sexually assault them.

01:18Thames Valley Police think there could be other victims out there.

01:21He's aware of what's going on,

01:24but he has no control over his arms and legs at all

01:26and feels utterly powerless.

01:28I think he realised that he had been spiked with something.

01:35And we'll be shedding some light on a crime

01:37that typically takes place under the cover of darkness,

01:41and that's night talking.

01:43Our team are ready to take your calls and emails,

01:46so please do get in touch if you think you can help.

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02:15First, Greater Manchester Police are investigating

02:17how a vulnerable man was found dead

02:20several weeks after being reported as missing.

02:22Do you have any information that might help?

02:27Julius was a 43-year-old man.

02:31He's been described as a happy soul,

02:34someone that likes to get on with everybody,

02:37likes his football, likes reggae music.

02:40Quite a timid and shy person

02:43that other people did have a tendency to take advantage of.

02:49He was more than just a cousin.

02:51He was a friend.

02:53He was a confidante.

02:54Something that always stucks in my mind about Julius,

03:00there is a time when I was in hospital for quite a while.

03:03He was there all the time.

03:05He came to see me.

03:06I can't really, you know, forget about that.

03:08It was quite emotional.

03:10Julius was very caring.

03:13He never got angry,

03:15always smiling,

03:16always happy around other people.

03:18My name is Rachel Smith.

03:26I'm a detective inspector at Greater Manchester Police

03:28and I work on the Major Insta team.

03:32On the 24th of October, 2023,

03:36Greater Manchester Police received a report of a missing person,

03:4043-year-old Julius Matera.

03:46When people are reported missing to the police,

03:48there are three grades,

03:50low risk,

03:52medium risk

03:53and high risk.

03:54Julius was elevated to a high risk missing from home

03:58because he did have some vulnerabilities.

04:00He was an alcoholic.

04:03He had very, very poor vision.

04:06He was reliant on the tenancy supporting office,

04:11providing him with coupons to get food.

04:16These hadn't been collected.

04:17There were some at the address that had not been used.

04:20So the concern was something has happened to Julius.

04:25On the 4th of December,

04:27police had a breakthrough

04:28when a member of the public came forward

04:31raising concerns about Julius' welfare.

04:34She'd attended a gathering when another attendee started to talk about Julius.

04:42He made the suggestion to her that Julius had come to some harm

04:47and then indicated to her that there had been a stabbing.

04:55Acting on this new information,

04:58police secured a warrant to search the property on Great Cheetham Street West, Salford.

05:03The house is a house of multiple occupancy.

05:06So initially it would be a visual search.

05:10There was no sign of Julius at the address.

05:13So then we would see if we can find any evidence in there that there's been some foul play.

05:21Officers also conducted a search of the property's rear garden,

05:25which backs onto a playing field.

05:29The address is quite elevated.

05:31You can't tell from the front,

05:33but when you go into the garden,

05:36there's quite a significant drop behind that leads to the rugby fields.

05:40The rear garden, it wasn't overgrown.

05:43There were evidence of some nettles growing in there,

05:47weeds growing in there.

05:48What we did find, there was a discarded pair of spectacles in the border of the garden.

06:00But that wasn't all the officers found.

06:03On the edge of the playing field,

06:06amongst dense Japanese knotweed,

06:08there was a body.

06:12Police began the task of identification.

06:18We needed a number of experts to help us determine what had happened

06:25and recover what evidence we had from the scene.

06:32After consulting with a forensic pathologist,

06:35officers confirmed the body was that of Julius Matera.

06:40But questions remained about how he ended up at the playing field

06:44and when he had died.

06:46I made the decision to request a forensic botanist come to the scene.

06:53The forensic botanist conducted the investigation

06:57in the land between the address and the rugby fields

07:01and found something interesting.

07:04This was a torn piece of nettle.

07:08There was no nettle growing in that area.

07:10But when he examined the garden of the property,

07:14there was nettle growing there.

07:18And he opined that the nettle

07:21must have come from the garden of that address.

07:28Police believe that Julius, being visually impaired,

07:31could have stumbled from the garden through the broken fence

07:35and down onto the field below.

07:43To determine when he had died,

07:46D.I. Rachel Smith called upon the expertise of an entomologist.

07:51An entomologist is an expert in maggots and flies

08:00and can help determine from activity on the body that we recovered

08:06when eggs were laid,

08:09which can therefore indicate when that person has died.

08:14The result of the inquiries that the entomologist completed

08:19were that eggs were laid

08:21between the 16th and the 17th of October 2023.

08:28Mobile phone data confirmed their assumptions

08:31on the time frame of Julius' death.

08:36After about half past eight at night on the 13th of October 2023,

08:41no further outgoing calls are made.

08:43The usage of his phone indicates to me

08:46that that's when he has died.

08:52Detectives are treating this as a murder inquiry

08:55and several arrests have been made,

08:59but they still haven't uncovered the whole truth.

09:04From what we were told about Julius during the investigation,

09:08he was a kind, quiet soul.

09:11He was taken advantage of by others.

09:15People would bully him, pick on him,

09:17and this may be what has led to his death.

09:22I believe answers lie within the people that were at that address.

09:28Maybe they don't feel comfortable speaking to the police.

09:32I think that there's probably been discussions in the community

09:35and people out there know what's happened.

09:39When I heard the news that Julius had been found,

09:46I was so devastated.

09:49I thought of my mum and how am I going to deliver the news to her.

09:54I know there is somebody who knows exactly what's happened.

10:01Please get in touch with the police.

10:04Please help the police with the investigation.

10:07Please have it in your heart.

10:08We need to give Julius the justice he deserves

10:14and his family need answers

10:17and they deserve to know what's happened to him.

10:24I'm joined now by DI Rachel Smith,

10:26who you saw from the film there.

10:27Rachel, thank you for coming in today.

10:29So Julius was last seen nearly two years exactly to the day.

10:34Just remind us the key details of this investigation.

10:37Yes, Julius was reported missing.

10:39He'd not been seen for several days

10:42and there were some concerns raised about him,

10:45so the report was made to Greater Manchester Police.

10:48Inquiries underwent and in December 2023,

10:54we received a call to say that Julius may have come to some harm

11:00and this led us to the address on Great Cheetham Street,

11:04West, which is in Salford.

11:08Police attended that address

11:09and conducted a search within the property

11:12and preserved the address as a scene

11:15and checks were made

11:18and sadly we found Julius's body in land behind that address.

11:23We can see on the map now the address that you're speaking about

11:26and on this map we can actually see what looks like

11:30some trees behind the houses there

11:33but there's some significance of those,

11:37well, they're not trees at all, are they?

11:38Of what that is as part of the investigation.

11:41Yes, I mean, this photograph was obviously taken in the summer

11:45and we're talking about the 7th of December

11:47so it was right in the middle of winter.

11:48The plant there is Japanese knotweed

11:54so there was no greenery at all there

11:56and Japanese knotweed is a very invasive plant

12:00and it's got very dense stalks

12:04and because it was so dense,

12:08sadly it concealed Julius's body

12:11so that's why it took so long to find him.

12:14Even in December, which is not when this image was taken there

12:17so that's a very good point there.

12:18Now, in the film you've mentioned that Julius was a mild-mannered man

12:22and you believe because of his vulnerabilities

12:24he may have been taken advantage of.

12:27Yes, everyone that we've spoken to

12:30and that includes June, who you interviewed,

12:33have said how he was mild-mannered,

12:36he was very quiet and trusting

12:39and people would take advantage of him.

12:45We were told that he was bullied,

12:48that certain people that were supposedly his friends

12:51would take his vouchers from him.

12:54Food vouchers, that type of thing.

12:56Food vouchers, yes.

12:57So he was a vulnerable man.

12:59Yes, very, very sad to hear.

13:01So who do you want to hear from today?

13:04We want to hear from anybody that has knowledge

13:07or have attended the address in question

13:10on Great Cheetham Street West in Salford.

13:13Anyone within the Zimbabwean community

13:15that may hold some information

13:17or have heard anything about what's happened to Julius,

13:20no matter how small it is,

13:21it could be significant to our investigation.

13:24That's a really good point, Rachel.

13:25People might think it's small, it might not matter,

13:27but it could be the missing part of the jigsaw

13:29that you and your team so desperately need.

13:31If anyone is there and they've got the information

13:33and they still need further incentive to come forward and speak to you,

13:36there is a financial reward that's been put up.

13:38Yes, Greater Manchester Police are offering a £50,000 reward

13:43for any information that leads to the charge and conviction

13:46for any person or persons responsible for Julius' death.

13:50Rachel, thank you.

13:51Well, let's hope we can get Julius' family

13:53the answers they so desperately need.

13:55All the details to get in touch with Greater Manchester Police,

13:58I should say, are on our website

14:00and our contact details are at the bottom of the screen.

14:03Now, we heard there how useful forensic science is

14:07in determining what happened to Julius Matera.

14:10Well, later, we're meeting another forensic expert

14:13who specialise in analysing clothes.

14:15I have been trying to bring awareness of forensic garments

14:21to think about it as evidence,

14:24not just as something that can be dismissed.

14:30Now that, I'm with DC, Louisa Williams from Avon and Somerset Police.

14:34She's trying to identify a man in connection to a GBH case.

14:38And it's a really nasty one, this, isn't it?

14:39Tell us about it, Louisa.

14:40Yeah, so on Tuesday, the 1st of July, at 11.40am in the morning,

14:45a man in his 70s was walking with his wife

14:47along Argyle Street and Bath, heading towards Portney Bridge,

14:51when a man who he'd like to talk to walked towards him,

14:55brushed shoulders with him,

14:56cos the pavement wasn't that wide

14:57and there was some roadworks going on.

14:59And this man then turned, ran after the victim,

15:02pushed him over and he fell to the ground.

15:04Yeah, it doesn't feel like it makes sense, this.

15:06So let's have a look at the footage

15:08and then just explain what we're seeing here.

15:10So this is the man I'd like to speak to in relation to this incident.

15:13He's now walking over Portney Bridge.

15:16And he's dodging people as he goes,

15:18so he's brushed lots of shoulders, hasn't he?

15:20Yes, that's correct.

15:21And this is him now running after the victim.

15:24So he's turned round and ran back towards the couple.

15:28And he pushes the man to the ground.

15:31It's, I mean, it's horrendous, isn't it?

15:33I mean, you can see that's a very hard push

15:36and the victim hits his face, doesn't it?

15:39But it doesn't end there.

15:40No, so he hits his face, as you say, and his nose bleeds.

15:45But he was so determined to go on holiday,

15:47even though he's in a lot of pain.

15:50So he went on holiday with his wife,

15:52but was in too much pain.

15:53So he came back and went to hospital

15:56and it turns out he's broken his femur.

15:58So he had to come back from his holidays as well

16:01to deal with that poor guy.

16:03So tell us about the man you're looking for,

16:05because you want to get him, don't you?

16:06Yes, so he's been described as a white male

16:09aged in his 30s or 40s with grey balding hair,

16:14wearing dark-coloured shorts, a light-coloured T-shirt

16:17and wearing a dark-coloured rucksack.

16:19Yeah, so hopefully someone has seen him in the area

16:22or knows who he is.

16:23And it was you, Louisa, who got in touch with us about this,

16:26because despite, obviously, working in the Korea

16:28for 30-odd years, you felt like this one needed talked about

16:32and needed to be heard.

16:32You want to catch this guy, don't you?

16:34Yes, I would really like the public's help

16:36to identify this man.

16:38And if anyone recognises themselves from the footage,

16:41I'd like them to come forward.

16:42Or if anyone was there at the time

16:44and saw where this person ran to,

16:47I'd like them to get in contact, please.

16:49Yeah, and how's the victim getting on?

16:51Because that is such an awful thing to happen to him.

16:53Yeah, so it's been life-changing for him and his family.

16:56He has to rely on his wife a lot night for help.

17:00He's a very active man prior to this,

17:02enjoyed playing golf, but hasn't been able to do that.

17:05He was on crutches for some time,

17:08which now has affected his upper part of his body as well,

17:11which he's getting help for.

17:13His leg is recovering,

17:15but he's still finding it difficult to climb stairs.

17:18Yeah, so we need to get this guy, don't we?

17:19Thank you for coming in to talk about it.

17:22Yeah, and take a closer look at this picture

17:25on our website or Facebook page.

17:27Share it with anyone you know who lives in Bath

17:30and see if they know him.

17:31And if you have any information that may help,

17:33you can contact us on the details below.

17:37Now, in 2022, a man called Luis De Silva-Nitto

17:41was sentenced to 22 years in prison.

17:43He was a sexual predator who,

17:45thanks to the bravery of his victims and Thames Valley police,

17:48is now safely behind bars.

17:50But detectives think he may have other victims out there.

17:54Now, this film does have some difficult themes.

17:56I couldn't speak with my friends about it.

18:03No family.

18:05This is the worst experience I've ever survived or lived through.

18:11We've got a predatory offender

18:13looking for victims who are drunk

18:15in order to sexually offend against them

18:17whilst they're incapacitated.

18:18Willow Barton is a small village in West Oxfordshire.

18:29It's a sleepy village.

18:31Not a lot happened.

18:32This was out of the ordinary.

18:34On the 10th of November last year,

18:37a man in the village was helping someone he knew

18:39with a DIY project.

18:41He was helping do some maintenance work on the property

18:44and sand the floor.

18:44They got there quite late at night.

18:47He was offered a couple of shots of Jägermeister.

18:52It knocked me out.

18:54Instantly, like in 10 minutes.

18:56I was really tired,

18:58feeling like I needed to lay down

19:00because I couldn't stand on my feet.

19:04The next thing he knew,

19:05he was being sexually assaulted.

19:07I woke up in the middle of the night as well.

19:14That's how I saw what he was doing.

19:17I couldn't speak.

19:19I just tried to mumble.

19:21He's aware of what's going on,

19:22but he has no control over his arms and legs at all

19:25and feels utterly powerless.

19:27The next morning,

19:28he notices a small syringe

19:30on the worktop in the kitchen.

19:32He thinks perhaps

19:34something's been administered to his drink.

19:37I think he realised

19:38that he had been spiked with something.

19:41I couldn't sleep for, like, days in a row.

19:44Like, like, six, seven days in a row.

19:47I didn't sleep.

19:48I was going to lose my mind.

19:50You want to digest it,

19:51but you can't.

19:54A week later,

19:56the victim felt strong enough

19:57to go to the police.

19:58So the victim knew the abuser.

20:02He was Luis Ignacio De Silva Neto.

20:10De Silva Neto lived in London,

20:12but ran a bed and breakfast in Middle Barton.

20:18Detectives began to investigate.

20:20But just a month later,

20:22on the 10th of December,

20:24they got reports of another attack.

20:26The complaint came from a male in his early 30s.

20:30He'd been married for a very short time.

20:32He'd been out with colleagues the night before

20:33in a nightclub in Chelsea in London.

20:36He's trying to get home to his wife.

20:37We've got CCTV footage of him trying to get a taxi.

20:40We know he's tried to book an Uber.

20:43However, he wakes up

20:45probably around 10 o'clock the following morning

20:47in this unfamiliar house,

20:49in this unfamiliar room,

20:50probably two hours' drive away from home,

20:52with no recollection of how he's got there.

20:54All he can remember

20:56is somebody, a male,

20:59holding a little tumbler

21:01of a dark liquid to his mouth

21:02and trying to encourage him to drink it.

21:05With him in the house

21:06is a man he doesn't recognise.

21:09Who are you?

21:10He fears he's been the victim

21:12of a serious sexual assault.

21:14And when he gets home to his wife,

21:15he discloses that.

21:17And concerned for his sexual health,

21:19he goes to the hospital to be checked.

21:20He'd been sexually assaulted.

21:25When he told the police,

21:26they tried to establish

21:28where exactly the attack had taken place.

21:31The victim told them

21:33his attacker had booked him a taxi home.

21:35Making inquiries with the taxi company

21:37corroborated for us

21:39that it was exactly the same location

21:40as that other offence had taken place.

21:42That location was the bed and breakfast

21:45in Middle Barton,

21:47run by Luis de Silvanetto.

21:51We've got two straight men

21:53who have both encountered this guy.

21:55They've both been given a drink

21:56and they've both suffered effects

21:58consistent with being spiked.

22:01We realise we've got a series emerging now

22:03and we need to act fast

22:05to do something about this

22:07to prevent this guy

22:07offending against anybody else.

22:09On December the 12th,

22:11two days after the second report,

22:13de Silvanetto was arrested

22:15at his main address in London.

22:17All right, Luis,

22:18if you listen to me,

22:19put your picture as well.

22:20So at this point in time,

22:21you're under arrest.

22:23And when he's arrested

22:23and his house is searched,

22:24we found a wash bag

22:25in the bathroom

22:27with a number of small bottles

22:28and little straws in it.

22:31The liquid was sent for testing.

22:33and came back

22:34as the substance GBL,

22:37a well-known date rape drug.

22:39It's a very, very dangerous drug indeed.

22:42The body metabolises this drug

22:44extremely quickly

22:45through the liver.

22:46It's very difficult

22:46for law enforcement agencies

22:49to be able to demonstrate

22:51an overdose of it.

22:52So we believe GBL

22:53is probably the drug

22:54that he'd used

22:56to spike the victims.

22:58But in custody,

23:00de Silvanetto denied

23:01any wrongdoing.

23:03He claimed the GBL

23:05was something

23:06he used himself recreationally

23:08and that the men

23:09who visited his home

23:10had not been intoxicated.

23:12But he seemed absolutely fine

23:15when I met him.

23:17He was not drunk or drunk.

23:20Fine, fine, fine.

23:22Asking for kisses

23:23and, you know,

23:24cuddles and stuff.

23:26But when police

23:27searched his phone,

23:29the truth about the second attack

23:30began to emerge.

23:32His phone gave us

23:33a wealth of different information.

23:35It showed us

23:36there were a number of videos

23:37which he'd taken

23:38earlier on in the evening.

23:39In fact, he went into

23:40five pubs

23:42in about eight minutes.

23:44He'd gone straight

23:45into the toilets.

23:46He'd waited in the toilets

23:47for men to come in

23:48and use the urinals.

23:49He'd filmed them.

23:50He's trying to identify

23:51a victim who's intoxicated

23:53enough for him

23:53to prey upon.

23:55We have a photograph

23:56from his phone

23:57of our victim

23:58from the neck down,

24:00completely naked,

24:01and also videos

24:03of our victim.

24:04And we can tell

24:05that he's incoherent.

24:07Further digging

24:08revealed that

24:09De Silva Neto

24:09had used an app

24:10to hire a car

24:11on the night of the attack.

24:13That company

24:14are able to give us

24:16some fantastic data.

24:17They can give us

24:18the location of a vehicle

24:19and they can give us

24:20the speed of that vehicle

24:21every couple of minutes.

24:23It revealed

24:24that De Silva Neto

24:25had driven the man

24:26to an address in London

24:27before taking him

24:28to Middle Barton.

24:30The victim

24:31had no recollection

24:32of these hours.

24:35Which corroborates,

24:36really, the impact

24:37of a spiking

24:38of a drug

24:38that's been administered

24:39to him.

24:40That was extremely useful

24:41in terms of being able

24:42to prove that intoxication.

24:48In July,

24:49a jury found

24:50Luis De Silva Neto

24:52guilty of administering

24:53a substance

24:54with intent

24:55to allow sexual activity

24:56and rape.

24:58He was sentenced

24:59to 22 years.

25:02I have to live with it

25:05for the rest of my life.

25:07I need to lay

25:08in a cold bathtub

25:08just to try

25:09and calm myself down.

25:11I can't...

25:12I just can't deal with it.

25:17The impact of sexual offences

25:18on our victims

25:19is massive.

25:20What this guy's been doing

25:21is targeting

25:22straight men.

25:24And he's probably

25:25targeting straight men

25:26because he thinks

25:26straight men are

25:27particularly unlikely

25:28to go to the police

25:28about it.

25:30In this case,

25:30these two guys

25:31both have the guts

25:32to do exactly that,

25:33which is how we've been

25:33able to hold him

25:34to account for his behaviour.

25:38It's a truly grim case

25:40but great detective work there.

25:42And Thames Valley police

25:43say they're keeping

25:43an open mind

25:44as to whether

25:44De Silva Neto

25:45may have committed

25:46further offences

25:47and they would encourage

25:48anyone else

25:49who may have been targeted

25:50to please come forward.

25:51Yeah, please do.

25:53Now, the UK

25:53has a rich history

25:55with relics

25:55hidden in the soil

25:56of fields and farms

25:58all over the country

25:59from Roman ruins

26:00to medieval medallions.

26:03But sometimes

26:03the people

26:03who go looking

26:04for these artefacts

26:05can land themselves

26:05in trouble.

26:06So when does a hobby

26:07become a crime?

26:08Yes, well,

26:09we're joined now

26:09by Dan Cancel

26:11who is from

26:11Gwent Police

26:12Rural Crime Unit

26:13to tell us more.

26:14You've got some

26:15of the artefacts

26:15people find

26:16and the kit as well

26:17that you use

26:18to try and tackle this.

26:19But let's talk about

26:20what it is, the crime.

26:21So it's called

26:22Nighthawking

26:23which sounds like

26:24it's something to do

26:25with exotic birds

26:26but isn't.

26:26Yeah, so Nighthawking

26:28is basically the name

26:29given to a legal

26:30metal detecting activity.

26:32So that could be

26:32people trespassing

26:33on land,

26:34metal detecting

26:35where they don't

26:35have permission

26:36to do so

26:37or more worryingly

26:38where protected

26:40scheduled monuments

26:41are being targeted

26:41by metal detectorists.

26:43So how is this

26:45a big problem then?

26:46What sort of damage

26:47can be caused

26:47by people who go

26:48on the hunt for things?

26:49Yeah, so there's

26:50lots of problems

26:50associated with it

26:52but damage-wise

26:53obviously is to the

26:54ground surface

26:54where digging takes place.

26:56One example

26:57we've had in our

26:58force area

26:58where a churchyard

26:59was targeted

27:00there were over

27:0150 holes dug

27:02in one night

27:03including on top

27:04of people's graves

27:05and obviously

27:06that caused a lot

27:07of upset

27:07in the local community.

27:09You can't see images

27:09of some of those now

27:10actually, that's awful.

27:11Yeah, and as you say

27:12quite a lot of damage

27:13on people's land.

27:14What type of stuff

27:16are people finding

27:17in these holes then?

27:18Yeah, so all sorts

27:19of items really.

27:20Obviously metallic objects

27:21out of the ground.

27:22Generally we think

27:24of coins, jewellery,

27:26necklaces, bracelets,

27:28things along those lines

27:29but it can be

27:30axe heads, arrowheads,

27:33musket balls,

27:34anything metallic really.

27:36Yeah, we can see

27:36some of those now

27:37actually on screen

27:38and we've stood

27:39the test of time

27:40only to be taken

27:42and sold

27:42on the black market there

27:43but it's not just

27:45about the money,

27:46is it?

27:46No, so there is

27:48obviously monetary value

27:50to a lot of the items

27:51but others

27:52it may purely be

27:53the historical value

27:54and it's the context

27:57of where and how

27:58it was found

27:58and where items

28:00are being removed

28:00with no records,

28:02no notification

28:03to the relevant authorities.

28:04Obviously that information

28:05is lost

28:06and yeah,

28:07there's no recovering it.

28:08It's a real problem,

28:09isn't it?

28:09Yes.

28:10And this is often

28:11happening at night,

28:12hence the name

28:13Night Talking,

28:14in very remote

28:15rural areas.

28:16How do you tackle it then?

28:17How do you find

28:18people doing it?

28:19Yes, so we're turning

28:20to the latest technology.

28:21We're using drones

28:22with thermal imaging

28:24cameras attached.

28:25We've got handheld

28:26thermal imaging devices

28:27as well.

28:29Yeah, just to sort of

28:30level the playing field.

28:32Just this summer

28:33we had some success

28:34with the handheld

28:35thermal imaging.

28:36We were able to

28:37identify somebody

28:38in a field

28:40where there'd been

28:40a lot of night hawking

28:41activity

28:41and actually able

28:43to trace their footsteps

28:44with a thermal camera

28:46and locate them

28:47laid face down

28:48in the field.

28:49So yes,

28:50we've had some success.

28:51We can see the images there.

28:52That's really changed

28:53your job, hasn't it?

28:54Having kit like that.

28:55It's fantastic.

28:56And also something

28:58that can help your job

28:59is a change in legislation

29:00that's recently come in

29:01here in Wales

29:02but it's illegal

29:03across the UK,

29:04isn't it?

29:05It is, yes.

29:06So the law in Wales

29:07has been strengthened recently

29:09with the introduction

29:10of the Historic Environment

29:11Act of 2023.

29:14It was enacted

29:15in November 24

29:16and since that time

29:19we've already dealt

29:20with two people

29:20who've been found

29:21night hawking

29:22on scheduled monuments.

29:24Yeah.

29:24Brilliant.

29:24It's fascinating

29:25and amazing

29:26how the tech's

29:26helping you as well.

29:27Thank you so much

29:28for coming in though

29:28and explaining all that

29:29to us.

29:29We'll be to see you.

29:31Now we're meeting

29:32another person

29:33deciphering our history,

29:35Amber Butchard.

29:36She's taken her fascination

29:37with fashion

29:38to the world

29:39of forensics.

29:44People can be

29:45very, very dismissive

29:46about the idea

29:47of fashion

29:48and clothing

29:49but I've always believed

29:51that clothing

29:52is a really important

29:54bearer of culture.

29:58I'm Amber Butchard.

30:00I'm a fashion historian

30:02and curator.

30:03I began my career

30:04as a buyer

30:05for a vintage clothing company.

30:07I'd always loved old clothes,

30:09loved researching them.

30:10My research takes

30:11a number of different forms

30:13whether it's books,

30:14exhibitions.

30:15I also do bits and pieces

30:17on TV for sewing beef.

30:19I do a lot of the

30:20historical research.

30:22I'm also a forensic

30:23garment analyst.

30:27My name is Carl Harrison.

30:29I'm a professor of practice

30:30at the University of Exeter.

30:32Prior to this job

30:33I was the National Forensic

30:35Advisor for the

30:36National Crime Agency.

30:37When we think about

30:39forensics in the modern day

30:41we tend to think about

30:42DNA analysis

30:43and forensic biology

30:44and that is a crucial part

30:46of the work that we do.

30:47But there's a breadth

30:49of different forensic

30:50disciplines.

30:51Specialisms that might

30:52only be used

30:52a couple of times a year

30:54but for particular cases

30:55are absolutely pivotal

30:57to their investigation.

30:59There are three

31:00sort of ways

31:01in which forensic scientists

31:02might examine clothing.

31:03We might find body

31:05fluids on clothing

31:05and those can be examined.

31:07We could look for fibres

31:09and fibre transfer

31:10between garments

31:11but we could look at

31:12the items themselves.

31:14So where do the garments

31:14come from?

31:15How old are they?

31:16What wear?

31:17What repairs are

31:18associated with it?

31:20It's very specialised.

31:21Only a handful of people

31:22in the UK do it

31:24and it can provide

31:25a valuable intelligence insight

31:27into the identification

31:29of unknown bodies

31:30found by police.

31:33I was driving my car

31:34one Sunday morning

31:35and Amber came on the radio

31:36and she was talking about

31:38fishermen's jumpers

31:40and I thought that's

31:41exactly the kind of person

31:43that we need.

31:44So we talked for some time

31:45and we developed

31:45some processes

31:46for how she would

31:47undertake examinations

31:48in the laboratory

31:48and then ultimately

31:50we came to this case

31:51where there was an opportunity

31:52to utilise her capabilities.

31:58This particular case

31:59was where the body

32:01of a male was found

32:02in a state of advanced

32:04decomposition

32:04on the edge of a field.

32:07At the time

32:07his identity wasn't known

32:09but he was found

32:09wearing footwear

32:11and some tracksuit bottoms

32:12and that's where

32:14Amber came in.

32:14I was immediately

32:20heartened

32:21and that sounds

32:22like a strange word

32:23to use in this context

32:24but because I knew

32:26that I would actually

32:27be able to do something

32:29that would help

32:29to date the items

32:32that we're wearing

32:32I knew that

32:33with sportswear

32:34in particular

32:35there are numbers

32:38on the label

32:38and if you know

32:39what to look for

32:40you can understand

32:41the date

32:42that that item

32:43was actually manufactured.

32:44I worked out

32:45that the trousers

32:47were manufactured

32:48in September 2013

32:49and the trainers

32:51were manufactured

32:51in September 2014

32:53so we knew

32:55that whoever

32:56this person was

32:57they couldn't possibly

32:58have died

32:58before September 2014.

33:04Understanding that date

33:06meant that

33:07from a pool

33:08of missing people

33:09a number of them

33:10were able

33:11to be eliminated.

33:12from this work

33:14they were actually

33:15able to narrow it down

33:17and end up

33:18identifying this person.

33:26Part of what Carl

33:27and I have been doing

33:29is trying to bring

33:31awareness of forensic garments

33:33into wider practice.

33:36So through Carl

33:37I've been doing

33:38some training sessions

33:39for crime scene investigators

33:41just so that people

33:42have an awareness

33:43to not ignore clothing

33:46to think about it

33:47as evidence

33:48effectively

33:49not just as something

33:50that can be dismissed.

33:53As I was growing up

33:54loving the treasure hunt

33:56of Carl boot sales

33:57of charity shops

33:58jumble sales

33:59it never in a million years

34:01occurred to me

34:02that that interest

34:04that passion

34:05could lead to

34:06what I do now

34:08in the forensics world.

34:13It's fascinating that isn't it?

34:15Well Amber's route

34:16into the crime solving world

34:17might have been unplanned

34:18but our next guest

34:19knew from an early age

34:20that forensic science

34:22was a road she wanted to take.

34:23Joan Millington

34:24is an expert witness

34:25and world authority

34:27in analysing

34:28bloodstain patterns

34:29and is with me now

34:31to give us some insights

34:32I mean this is fascinating

34:33it's full on CSI

34:35and that's what it feels like to me

34:36but there is a lot of science

34:38behind this

34:39explain what you do

34:40what a bloodstain analyst does.

34:43So bloodstain pattern analysis

34:44BPA

34:45is looking at the features

34:47and distributions

34:48of bloodstains

34:50and trying to work out

34:51how they got there

34:53how they were produced

34:54Yeah

34:54How do you even start that then?

34:56Well slowly and methodically

34:58usually

34:58but I suppose BPA

35:00is a little bit

35:01like a jigsaw

35:02we open up the box

35:03and there's all the pieces there

35:05but we might not

35:06necessarily have the picture

35:07to start us on the right track

35:09so we have to break it down.

35:11But you have brought pictures

35:12with you today

35:12for us to see

35:13and just to reassure everyone

35:15this isn't real blood is it

35:17but this is just a way

35:18of you kind of depicting

35:19how it works

35:20when you're working on cases

35:22so what have we got?

35:23Yes

35:24so these are for training purposes

35:25so as an example here

35:27we've got a photograph

35:28that has three circles on it

35:30these are bloodstains

35:31and you can see that

35:32from the shape

35:34of the bloodstain

35:35then we can understand

35:36how they were

35:37deposited on that surface

35:39think of it like

35:40a muddy football

35:41if I threw it

35:42at a wall

35:43I might get a circular

35:44shaped stain

35:46and blood droplets

35:47are no different.

35:48Ah so they're like

35:49mini footballs essentially

35:51they've landed

35:51and left that

35:52so you can tell

35:53how it fell

35:54and landed.

35:55Yeah so if I had a

35:56cut to my finger

35:56and I dripped blood

35:58onto a surface

35:58this is the type of stain

36:00that I would expect to see.

36:02Yeah and there's a more

36:02chaotic one underneath

36:03what's that one?

36:05So this is an impact pattern

36:06but what you can see here

36:08is that some of the stains

36:09are circles

36:10but you can see that

36:11some of the stains

36:12also have these tails

36:13and the tails

36:15tell me the direction

36:16the little droplet

36:17was travelling

36:17at the moment

36:18that it hit that surface.

36:19Right.

36:20So I can put an arrow

36:21on the end of the tail

36:22and it was travelling

36:23across the paper.

36:25And how is that useful?

36:26Well that's helpful

36:27because I know

36:29that the blood

36:29originated from

36:30somewhere over here

36:32and landed on this target

36:34and that blood

36:35obviously might be

36:36associated with an injury

36:37or someone being assaulted

36:39so I know that

36:41they were positioned here

36:42when that impact took place.

36:44Gosh it's fascinating.

36:45So tell me then

36:46when you arrive at a scene

36:48how does it work?

36:49What do you do?

36:50Well the first thing is

36:51I wear full personal

36:52protective equipment

36:53a scene suit etc.

36:55Yeah.

36:55And I'll then

36:56go into a space

36:57there I am

36:58and I'll go into a space

37:00and start to break down

37:01the patterns

37:03find out where blood is

37:04where it isn't

37:06and then go into the detail

37:07and try and reconstruct

37:08the types of mechanisms

37:10that might have allowed

37:11those blood stains

37:12to be created.

37:13Yeah.

37:13And I imagine

37:14not all patterns

37:15are obvious straight away

37:16so you must be there

37:17for a while

37:17trying to suss this out.

37:19Yeah.

37:19I mean the first thing

37:20to say is that

37:21you know

37:22that you can't answer

37:23all of the questions

37:24so there might be

37:25some uncertainty

37:26and we need to keep

37:27an open mind

37:28so it might be

37:30that we can't give

37:30a definitive answer

37:31or it might be

37:33that there have been

37:33attempts to try

37:34and clean up blood.

37:35Yeah.

37:36Because we've got

37:36some pictures as well

37:38that explain a bit more

37:39about the work.

37:40Tell us what we're

37:41seeing here Jo.

37:41So we can use chemicals

37:43to enhance blood stains

37:45that aren't visible

37:45to the naked eye.

37:46In this case

37:47blood has run

37:48under the basin

37:49in this bathroom

37:50and the chemical

37:51that we use

37:52turns like a turquoise

37:54colour in the presence

37:55of blood.

37:56Now there are

37:56other things there

37:57other greens

37:58other yellows

37:59that's actually

37:59paint.

38:01The kids have been

38:02washing their paintbrushes.

38:02Yes because that's

38:03I ask yeah

38:04because on first

38:04you're wondering

38:05what are all the

38:06different colours

38:06and so how do you

38:07then work it out?

38:09So the colour

38:10is distinctive

38:10to being a chemical

38:12that's enhanced

38:13the blood staining

38:14but of course

38:14when people clean up

38:16they only see

38:17the things

38:17that they're looking at

38:18they don't necessarily

38:19crouch down

38:20and look under

38:21the surfaces

38:22and miss stuff.

38:23Yeah because like

38:23what am I looking at here

38:24like to me

38:25that just looks like

38:25an abandoned house

38:26you can't really see much

38:27this is a murder inquiry

38:30in which the victim

38:32went missing

38:33and the house

38:35had been effectively

38:36emptied of all

38:37of the furniture

38:38and we started

38:39to reveal blood stains

38:41that weren't visible

38:42to the naked eye

38:43but had been enhanced

38:44with chemicals

38:45and these repeating

38:46patterns

38:47these block shaped

38:48patterns

38:49started to be revealed

38:50on the floor

38:51in the living room

38:52and that shape

38:54matched

38:55the foam

38:57or sponge end

38:58of a mop

38:58which had been used

39:00to kind of

39:01clean the blood

39:02from that surface

39:03and that mop

39:04was found outside

39:05that property

39:06and on the handle

39:07was a blood stain

39:08fingerprint.

39:10Oh wow

39:11so then you were able

39:12to directly link it

39:14because you could say

39:14that was the mop

39:15that created that pattern.

39:17And then that information

39:19obviously goes

39:19into the investigation

39:20and the police

39:21can then start

39:22to narrow down

39:24the net

39:24around the suspect.

39:25Yeah because it's amazing

39:26how your theory

39:27on things like you were saying

39:29you know drawing arrows

39:30and stuff

39:30and working out patterns

39:31can actually lead

39:32to arrests then

39:33can't it?

39:34Just observation based

39:35with added interpretation

39:37and opinion ultimately.

39:39Yeah and can we have

39:40a look at the other pictures

39:41because there's a footprint

39:41there as well

39:42and I guess that's

39:43what's going on here

39:45as someone who's studying

39:46So again

39:46everything is about

39:47what you see

39:48so we can see

39:49this kind of repeating pattern

39:50this is a footwear

39:51mark in blood

39:52and the kind of

39:54the good thing

39:56about this

39:57is it demonstrates

39:57that whoever wore

39:59these shoes

39:59was around

40:00when blood was available

40:02so it allows us

40:04to say that

40:04they were in that space

40:05after injuries

40:07have been sustained

40:08and it can sort of

40:09narrow down the time frame

40:11for their actions.

40:12Yeah.

40:12How would you get

40:13into a job like that

40:13then because it's fascinating?

40:15I've always wanted

40:16to do forensic science

40:17and in fact

40:18when I was in Miami

40:19doing some training

40:20I met the bloodstained guy

40:22out in America

40:23and that was the beginning

40:25of my path

40:26to being a BPA scientist.

40:27And you thought

40:27I want to be like that.

40:28I want to be that guy.

40:29Yeah.

40:30Amazing.

40:30Jo it's fascinating.

40:31Thank you so much

40:32for coming in

40:32and chatting to us

40:33and showing us

40:34those pictures

40:34as well.

40:37The bloodstained guy.

40:39Why unspoggles?

40:41We've just got time

40:42to ask if you've seen

40:42any of our wanted faces.

40:44And first

40:49we have this man

40:50this is Jamie McKenna

40:51but he also uses

40:53the names Nick

40:53and the surname Hill

40:55Hooper

40:56and the nicknames

40:57Flopper

40:57Hopper

40:58and even Hopper.

41:00Police in Kent

41:00have charged him

41:01with assault

41:01but he failed

41:02to attend court.

41:04He is 33

41:04his left ear is pierced

41:05he has a scar

41:06on his face

41:07and a number of tattoos

41:09including a praying Jesus

41:10the word mum

41:11and a flower.

41:13Now he has connections

41:13in Rochester

41:14Gillingham

41:15Chatham

41:16Snodland

41:17and also Maidstone

41:18all of those

41:18are in Kent.

41:20What about this man?

41:21This is Byron Peter Ford

41:23known as Fordy

41:24he often uses

41:25the surname

41:26Macraith

41:26Northumbria police

41:28want to speak to him

41:29about a case

41:29of criminal damage

41:30the 39 year old

41:31has a lot of tattoos

41:32in fact his neck

41:33is covered

41:34and he has a tribal

41:35emblem

41:35bulldog

41:36and grim reaper

41:37on his arm

41:37and the word

41:38patience

41:38you can probably see

41:39above his right eyebrow.

41:42Last for today

41:43is Damien Skorsky

41:44police in Northumbria

41:45are looking for him

41:46in relation to an

41:46attempted murder

41:47in Gateshead

41:48from earlier this year

41:49he's 18

41:50with fair hair

41:51he's thought to have

41:52links to the northeast

41:52of England

41:53but also Colchester

41:54in Essex

41:55possibly Belgium too

41:56so please call

41:58999

41:59or us

42:00if you know

42:00where any of these

42:01men currently are

42:02the number is

42:02right down the bottom

42:03of your screen

42:04by the clock

42:04that brings us

42:05to the end of today's

42:06programme

42:06thank you for watching

42:07remember

42:08you can catch up

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42:10on iPlayer

42:11for up to 30 days

42:12after broadcasting

42:13Steph

42:14you're going to be

42:14back with us

42:15on Monday

42:16I'm putting in

42:16a full shift

42:17next week

42:17full shift

42:18full week

42:18well I look forward

42:19to that

42:19tomorrow I'll be

42:20with Jennifer

42:20re-hosting the show

42:22yeah and tomorrow

42:23more cracking stories

42:24for you

42:25we've got a nail

42:25biting film

42:26when a man

42:27armed with a sledgehammer

42:28goes on a rampage

42:29on the streets

42:30of London

42:30it takes the

42:31extraordinary bravery

42:32of two police officers

42:33to step in

42:34and stop him

42:35it was like

42:37he was watching

42:38a horror movie

42:39and he was waiting

42:39for the jump scare

42:40and then we heard

42:42a blood curling scream

42:43coming from the back room

42:44we're going to see

42:48for that more

42:49same time

42:50at 10.45 tomorrow

42:51yeah have a lovely day

42:52bye bye

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