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The Miami Heat fell to the San Antonio Spurs 112 to 107. The YOUTHS!! Kel’el Ware had a monster night with 29 points, Kasparas Jakučionis, and Jaime Jaquez Jr. had Victor Wembanyama shakin' in his boots. Leroy plays defense against excitement, telling Tobin to stop overdoing it when it comes to the Heat and preseason.

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00:00And the Heat, they fell to the San Antonio Spurs last night.
00:03A loss that wasn't a loss because let me tell you something, dude.
00:05Stop it.
00:06What a night.
00:08For Kalel.
00:09What a night, dude.
00:11Kalel.
00:12Yaka Chones.
00:13The youth movement.
00:15Oh, the two youths.
00:17Really, the three youths because Jaime Hacquez.
00:20He threw it on when Benyama threw it down.
00:24You won't see it.
00:25You know, I don't want to be a Debbie Downer.
00:30You know how this plays out.
00:31What do you mean?
00:32When the season starts, all the stuff we're talking about, they sitting in the corner.
00:35Why are you immediately going to that?
00:38Because we could be.
00:39I don't know.
00:40I'm just playing a trend here.
00:41That's what happened.
00:42He looks more than ready.
00:44An assist machine.
00:46That chemistry.
00:47Okay.
00:47Some things go together well, man.
00:49Okay.
00:49Spaghetti and meatballs.
00:50We have this conversation.
00:51Peanut butter and jelly.
00:52We have this conversation every year.
00:54Kasper, Yaka Chones, and Kalelware.
00:56We have this conversation every year.
00:57I'm telling you, dude.
00:58Do we not?
00:58Last night.
00:59Do we not have this conversation every year?
01:01We see guys playing the preseason and then they never play.
01:05No, not always.
01:07And look, Kalelware, he just got the call out from Spoh.
01:11It's not about the message.
01:13He always gets calls out.
01:14It's how you respond.
01:15And how does he respond?
01:17With a big time game against Victor Wembenyama.
01:21He has Wembenyama in hell.
01:22I mean, quite frankly.
01:23Victor Wembenyama left that exhibition last night.
01:25They won, mind you.
01:26And he was, like, whining to the referee.
01:28Oh, oh, so great.
01:30Oh, oh, Wembenyama.
01:32Please help me.
01:33Because he doesn't know what to do when somebody's his actual size.
01:36That's the problem.
01:38When somebody can actually match up with them, he's like, what the hell is this?
01:42Shaq said it was the other way.
01:43I don't care what Shaq.
01:44I don't care what Shaq.
01:44Shaq said it's a smaller guy, the way they back it.
01:48Yeah, well, let me tell you something, dude.
01:49How much of a sample size is this?
01:51Two for two.
01:5212 seconds.
01:52Two for two.
01:53Two games.
01:54Two for two.
01:55Did you not see him block Wembenyama not even jumping?
01:59Yeah.
02:00That was good.
02:01Come on.
02:02Don't be dismissive.
02:03I'm not being dismissive.
02:04You're being dismissive.
02:06I'm not being dismissive.
02:08Kind of are.
02:09Like, you know, the best definition of making winning plays.
02:14Winning.
02:18Preseason.
02:19Like, ain't nobody ever said that.
02:21Wait a minute.
02:21What did you just say?
02:22I said the best way.
02:23It's preseason.
02:24Come on.
02:25What are you doing?
02:26I'm saying the same thing he's doing.
02:28You're so silly.
02:30Wait a minute.
02:30You're making it sound like this was game seven.
02:33Dude, Bismack Biambo was playing the last three minutes.
02:36Did you know he was still in the league?
02:39No.
02:39Nah, you didn't.
02:42You got what I need.
02:45Don't lash out.
02:46Because he's say just a friend.
02:51Dude, I'm just saying.
02:52I'm not taking away.
02:54You literally are taking away.
02:55No, listen.
02:56You literally are, though.
02:57No, listen.
02:57You are.
02:58Which is typical.
02:59I knew you were going to do this.
03:00No.
03:00Kalel played really well.
03:02I'm not taking away from that.
03:04But I think that one of the things that you can take from how things are going with him
03:10is he's very responsive to, you know, the direction that Spohle's taking.
03:17However, all these other guys that you're talking about, they're not going to even play.
03:22Because I've seen Spohle.
03:23You don't think Kalel did play middle of the year last year.
03:25No, he.
03:25He did play.
03:26So I don't know why you're doing that.
03:27I'm not including.
03:27I feel like it's a pointless mistake because he did play last year.
03:31I'm not talking about Kalel.
03:32Why not?
03:33He had the best game yesterday.
03:35You kind of take all of this and kind of get away from my point.
03:39My point was.
03:40But your point doesn't stand.
03:41You talk about all these guys.
03:42Your point doesn't stand, though.
03:43I'm not talking about Kalel.
03:44I know Kalel's going to play.
03:45I'm talking about all these other guys that you talk about like this.
03:48They're going to be sitting at the end of the bench.
03:49Okay.
03:50I've talked about one guy.
03:51Kalel where?
03:52No.
03:53I mentioned Kaspers Yacachonas.
03:55I probably know that he's not going to play.
03:56But he was awesome last night for his first preseason game.
03:59That I'm not disputing.
04:00Okay.
04:01But let's not.
04:02But here's the thing.
04:03This is why I take umbrage with you.
04:06Umbrage.
04:07Spell it.
04:08I take umbrage with you because you just want to play defense against excitement.
04:14That's not true.
04:14It is true.
04:15Hear me out.
04:16Hear me out.
04:16Hear me out on this.
04:17You want to make a point about he's not going to play when he is going to play.
04:21All right.
04:21Very clearly.
04:21Kaspers Yacachonas.
04:22I'm not talking about Kaspers Yacachonas.
04:24Well, then why?
04:24Why?
04:25He's the lead story.
04:26He's the lead story, baby.
04:28You went on about five guys.
04:30I went on about three.
04:31I mentioned Kaspers Yacachonas and Jaime Hacquez, who, by the way, has played in the past.
04:35He stunk up the joint, so he lost his role.
04:37So that doesn't really go to your point either.
04:39Um, the only, the only one that would go with it is the rookie, which he's a rookie, but you
04:44wouldn't say, you wouldn't say the first, the first performance that he has out there
04:48on the preseason.
04:49And he is just dishing the ball all over the place because Goran Dragic, greatest mentor
04:54of them all has led this man to the ways of the heat.
05:00And I don't know.
05:02You just, you immediately want to do it because I'm excited about something.
05:04And what can we do here?
05:05We can see.
05:06Wait, wait, wait.
05:07So here's the, here's, here's the, the, the funny part about all of this.
05:12At no point in time.
05:14And the reason why we get into it so much at no point in time, do you maybe go overboard
05:21a little bit?
05:22Nope.
05:23Okay.
05:24Then, then sure.
05:27Well, you can say, you can say what you want.
05:29Okay.
05:29But I'm not, what have I got overboard about?
05:31Huh?
05:31What about, have I said they won the tournament?
05:32You always do it.
05:33What have I gone overboard about in the last six minutes?
05:35Other than the fact that you got knocked out by your own headphones.
05:40Oh, no, I didn't.
05:41Okay.
05:41So, like, you were late.
05:44You can't let him.
05:44Yeah, you can't.
05:45Excuse me.
05:46You were very tarny.
05:46Excuse me.
05:47Aren't you guys quibbling right now?
05:48It's on drag.
05:48Well, it's just, he's a fun slayer.
05:51That's all he is.
05:52He's a fun slayer.
05:52He's a fun slayer.
05:53Like, he sits here.
05:54You were just trying to get the stink on you.
05:56Whoa.
05:56You were just trying to get the stink on you.
05:57You saw that?
05:58And look at you.
05:59Raining on their clouds.
06:01Wow, Leroy, you see that?
06:02You see how she just turned her back off.
06:03No, because she don't want that stink on her.
06:06Bernadick Arnold.
06:07Look at that.
06:08What did he say?
06:11Yep.
06:16Jay Figgs, a murderer.
06:19So, no.
06:20All right.
06:22Go ahead.
06:22You don't think it.
06:23Let me just say something.
06:24Hear me out on this.
06:26Uh-huh.
06:27You don't think it's exciting to have the only player in the league
06:30that could go with Victor Wembenyama?
06:33In a preseason game?
06:34But he's not in regular season, too.
06:36Two games.
06:37Two games.
06:37So, two for two.
06:39That's the sample size, bro.
06:40That's the sample size.
06:41Well, that's all I have.
06:42What happened to the game in San Antonio?
06:45What did happen to the game in San Antonio?
06:49Yeah, what happened?
06:50I don't recall.
06:51You don't recall?
06:51I don't recall.
06:52Did he not play?
06:53Did he not play?
06:55I don't recall.
06:57I'm being genuine.
06:59Did he lose?
07:00Yeah.
07:00Okay.
07:02But you seem to forget that game.
07:03Seems like he leads the series, then.
07:04A preseason game?
07:06Seems like it's a 2-1 series lead.
07:08No, preseason.
07:09You just said it's preseason.
07:10You just said it's preseason.
07:12Let's see.
07:13Did you see him cook?
07:15Go at him.
07:16It ain't me.
07:17No, no, no, no.
07:18I told you.
07:18Go ahead.
07:18I'm genuinely asking a question, though.
07:21This guy's 7'5", they list him at.
07:23Yeah.
07:23Okay.
07:24No, nobody is saying.
07:25He had a reverse alley-oop over Bam Adebayo.
07:28Yeah, that was crazy.
07:28Because he's too damn tall.
07:31Uh-huh.
07:31This guy, number seven on the heat, the warehouse, didn't leave his feet and blocked him to the
07:39floor.
07:40Yeah.
07:41You don't think that's kind of awesome to have one of those?
07:44Yes, absolutely.
07:46Why don't you seem like it?
07:48What do you mean?
07:48Because you're like, what am I supposed to be doing?
07:51It's a preseason game.
07:52The third preseason game.
07:53Because all you've said is preseason, not going to play.
07:56Eh, who cares?
07:56They lost.
07:56No, I didn't say it about Kalel.
07:58I did not say it about Kalel.
08:00I say it about all the other guys you were talking about.
08:03Okay.
08:03Stop saying all the other guys.
08:04I mentioned three guys.
08:05And I have not talked about any of them since I mentioned that point.
08:08So you keep going back to this point.
08:11And I really am at this point worried that we should really put you in protocol because
08:14of that hit that you took to the head.
08:16Don't deflate.
08:17You really got to deflate.
08:17I think every year when we go through preseason, we go through the same thing and then they
08:24end up in Sioux Falls.
08:26I don't know.
08:26Listen to this, Rob.
08:27While Kalel Ware had an outstanding individual performance against Victor Wambayama in January
08:33of 2025, Wambayama still remains the superior, more dominant player overall.
08:39Who says this?
08:41Google AI.
08:42Google AI.
08:42Oh, who cares what Google says?
08:45It's probably...
08:46If it was the other way around...
08:47Isn't Google AI based in France?
08:48You know if it was the other way around.
08:49You know it's based in France, right?
08:52Hey.
08:52How convenient.
08:54I'm not...
08:55That's why.
08:55See, I stayed out of...
08:56Wee wee.
08:57Hold on, though.
08:58Hold on.
08:58Nobody's sitting here and saying Victor Wambayama is not a good player.
09:02I'm not saying that at all.
09:03I'm not saying that at all.
09:04But you're saying that Kalel Ware owns him.
09:05I'm not...
09:06Well...
09:08You know...
09:11Why?
09:11Wait.
09:12Well...
09:12You are...
09:13You overdo it.
09:15And then when there's an issue or when I say something about it, you go, oh, you're
09:19raining on my brain.
09:20After five years, I've just graduated into, like, second level of Tobinism.
09:29Congratulations.
09:30I had seen it.
09:31It took five years.
09:32But, you know, I've elevated to the second level.
09:35Because Tobin is really trying to say that Victor Wambayama cannot hold a candle.
09:40That's not what I said.
09:41To kill you.
09:41I didn't say not hold a candle.
09:43You're trying to imply.
09:43I'm saying that...
09:44You're implying.
09:45Vlad.
09:45You're implying.
09:46Vlad.
09:47How many people in the league?
09:48There's not many.
09:49How many people in the league?
09:50There's not many.
09:51Can physically go with that guy.
09:53How many people are seven foot?
09:55Yeah.
09:56But seven foot like Toellas.
09:58Plus.
09:59Like athletic.
10:00Did you see the threes?
10:02Yeah.
10:03I mean...
10:03The threes?
10:03He started feeling froggy, too, with the step backs.
10:06Yeah.
10:06But then he faked the three and then did the old...
10:09No.
10:09I'm going to tell you the move that really impressed me.
10:11Hmm?
10:12The and one dunk off the missed rebound.
10:14That was good.
10:15That was good.
10:16That was good.
10:16That was big boy.
10:17That was big boy.
10:18Yeah.
10:19The me-bounce?
10:19That was good.
10:20No, it wasn't a me-bounce.
10:21It wasn't a me-bounce?
10:21No, it wasn't a me-bounce.
10:22It wasn't a me-bounce.
10:23He went for the shot, missed it, grabbed it, and just said, little man, I'm taking you
10:28to a flight to Dunkville.
10:32I'm not here to say that he is Victor Wembenyama.
10:34All I'm saying is the entire NBA media landscape right now, all the podcast boys out there and
10:41every blogger and every writer wants to say Victor Wembenyama.
10:44Yeah, ESPN said he's a top five player already, which I think is a little crazy.
10:46Who?
10:47Victor Wembenyama.
10:48He is!
10:48Top five?
10:51Top five?
10:51You know if Khalil had the skills package that Victor has, you would be saying that he's
10:57a top five player.
10:58You know that, right?
10:59Top five already?
11:00I don't think anybody can say he's a top five player already.
11:02Like, Tobin, if he was wearing a Miami Heat uniform, you would be saying he's a top five
11:08player.
11:08That's the argument that I have more than me.
11:10I don't think so.
11:11You gotta have some accolades and chops.
11:14You can't just show up as being a physical freak.
11:17Like, Anthony Edwards keeps moving his team through the playoffs.
11:20This guy has been in the lottery the last two years.
11:22Now, I understand that he got blood clots, but they weren't going there last year either.
11:25So, I'm just saying, top five strong.
11:27I'm not saying top ten, on the fringes of the top ten, fine.
11:31Yes, he's one of the biggest freaks in the league.
11:33Top five, dude?
11:34Yeah.
11:35Can you win an MVP?
11:38You gotta play enough games first.
11:39No, I'm just saying, can you win an MVP before we do that?
11:41You gotta play enough games first.
11:43No, but that's not fair.
11:44I'm not saying a crazy thing here.
11:46No.
11:46Just because you're one of the biggest physical freaks that's, like, ever walked onto the
11:49court doesn't mean you're a top five player when you walk right on the court.
11:52Neither did Anthony either.
11:55Yeah, it took a while before anybody would consider him that.
11:57He's gotta do some things.
11:58But my point is, even with everybody putting him up there, you may have one of the only
12:05guys in the league that can go with him.
12:07No, you do have the only guys.
12:08And that's exciting.
12:10Yeah.
12:10Yeah.
12:11When you played him two times a year.
12:13Now, if you've seen him in the finals every year, that would be a, yeah, you would have
12:16the X factor.
12:17We'll see who gets there first.
12:19The race is on.
12:20So, wait, you telling me there's a race between the race and the race.
12:24No, no, no, no, no, no.
12:25No, no, no, no.
12:27The race is on, my friend.
12:28We gotta take a break.
12:29We're way over.
12:30We gotta take a break.
12:32Because.
12:32Yeah, hurry up and go to break.
12:34No, no, no, no.
12:34Hurry up and go to break after you drop that.
12:36I mean, happen.
12:37Hold on.
12:37Hold on.
12:38Hold on.
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