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Matt Pole is joined by Brighton writer Derren Howard, Sam Morton, who covers both Albion and Crawley Town, and Reds expert Mark Dunford.
Brighton left it late to snatch a draw at the Premier League’s basement club Wolves on Sunday, while Saturday saw Crawley fall to yet another disappointing League Two defeat, this time at Cambridge United.
This week, we look back at Brighton and Crawley’s trips to the Black County and Cambridgeshire respectively, reflect on Albion’s 2025-26 season so far, and bring you news of a backroom departure at the Reds.
Brighton left it late to snatch a draw at the Premier League’s basement club Wolves on Sunday, while Saturday saw Crawley fall to yet another disappointing League Two defeat, this time at Cambridge United.
This week, we look back at Brighton and Crawley’s trips to the Black County and Cambridgeshire respectively, reflect on Albion’s 2025-26 season so far, and bring you news of a backroom departure at the Reds.
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00:00Welcome to another episode of the GoalMath Action Podcast where we took a look at all
00:13the latest goings on at Brighton, Hove, Albion and Crawley Town. I'm Matt Pohl and this week
00:17I'm joined by Brighton writer Derren Howard, Sam Morton who covers both Albion and Crawley
00:21Town and Reds expert Mark Dunford. Brighton left it late to snatch a draw at the Premier
00:26League's basement club Wolves on Sunday while Saturday saw Crawley fall to yet another
00:30disappointing lead to defeat this time at Cambridge United. This week we'll look back at Brighton
00:35and Crawley's trip to the Black Country and Cambridgeshire respectively, reflect on Albion's
00:402025-26 season so far and bring you news of a backroom departure at the Reds. You can read
00:46all the stories we're talking about with videos and pictures online at sussexworld.co.uk forward
00:50slash sport. Jan-Paul Van Hexlake had denied Wolves a first Premier League win of the season
00:55as the hosts had Vito Pereira sent off at Molineux. Barbara Bruggen's unfortunate first
01:00half own goal looked like giving the hosts a first league victory since April but Van
01:05Hexlake's bullet header found the bottom corner with four minutes left at an Albion
01:08a point. The draw means Brighton have now lost just once in the last 12 league games at Wolves
01:12but by the sounds of it Derren it sounds like the Seagulls are far from their best. Sum that
01:17Brighton performance up for us please. Yeah, yeah, you were right Matt, they were far from
01:22their best and it had the two certainties of Brighton this season that they struggle against
01:27the low block and Carlos Belieber was substituting at half-time again as well. So if you know if
01:34everything else in unpredictable is in the world then those two are bound to happen at the moment.
01:39But yeah, they were a bit below par and it was the goal, it was unfortunate. It was actually
01:45quite a very good save from Bart for Bruggen. He tipped the powerful effort onto the crossbar,
01:52hit the crossbar, came off his back and then into the goal. So unlucky for Bruggen, he's yet to keep
01:59a clean sheet this season. So yeah, it's a bit of a problem but it was kind of the worst possible
02:06situation at Wolves as well because they got their noses in front and then sort of as they're
02:14perfectly entitled to, they just defended, defended and you know really sat back and made life awkward
02:20for Brighton. They were still a threat on the break. Strand Larsen was very lively going forward
02:27and Van Hecker had his hands full dealing with him. But yeah, it was just that cutting edge from
02:36Brighton again as well. Their attack in play is nowhere near as good as it was. Yankou Baminte was a handful.
02:41Karel Matoma was injured. So he, there was, Gruda came in for him and he was, in flashes,
02:49Gruda looked okay but he never really looked like being capable of unlocking the defence. Danny
02:54Welbeck was quiet up front again as well. But they finally got their reward. They kept pushing,
02:59kept pushing. And as you mentioned, it was a great header from Van Hecker. He was one of the
03:06players that really stood out for Brighton that day. He was, he was a real leader and,
03:10um, and his, his equaliser was, was quite, quite important as, as, as well. So, so probably Brighton
03:17deserved, you know, deserved their point. And it moves, a big win at Wolves could have moved them
03:21up to seventh. It now puts them into 12th place, which doesn't look great, but a point is, is still
03:27good. It was frustrating. There was no lack of effort. It was a tough game. And, you know, some of the
03:32Brighton players were really blowing at the end. They, they put in, put everything into it.
03:37Uh, lots of endeavour, but little in terms of quality, unfortunately.
03:41Uh, well, Brighton's drawing more for Hampton came off the back of an excellent win at Chelsea.
03:45Um, Deren's kind of alluded to there, Sam. Is there a sense of frustration that Seagulls have
03:49once again not kicked on after a, a statement of victory? You just got a look at the game,
03:53the win over City and didn't quite do it after that. Um, or would supporters have been satisfied
03:57with the mental strength that Albion have showed, having gone, gone a goal down away from home?
04:02Yeah, it's, it's a bit of a mix of emotions, isn't it? I think, I think it once again,
04:06is there is frustration because, um, Brighton obviously, as you say, have had a brilliant
04:11win there at Stanford Bridge and they've done really well to, to win that game, uh, from a
04:15goal down. And you're kind of just looking for them to really build on that. And Welbeck obviously
04:19started the, the match as a, as a, a reward really for his, his, um, rowics at the end
04:25of that match at Stanford Bridge, but he wasn't very good to be honest at Wolves. He was really
04:30kind of off the pace and started off with that half-hearted clearance with the header that
04:36obviously then smashed in on goal, um, for the, for the opening goal. And as Deren said,
04:40Verbruggen did make a good save and it was really unlucky. But to be fair, Wolves could have had
04:45two or three, um, and they hit the post in the second half. Um, Verbruggen made another couple of
04:51good saves. And there was also a huge chance that Wolves had, um, to, to, to go tuning up with this
04:57guy over the, over the bar. So there's definitely concern there for Bryson. Obviously they're playing
05:02against a team that have failed to win yet this season. And they, for a lot of it, were second best.
05:07Um, and yes, they did do well to, to get that equaliser. And it was a brilliant header and
05:11a lovely cross from Stefanos Simas, who, um, we're looking to see more from, I think,
05:17to see more of it, I should say, um, because he's not really had too many opportunities,
05:21to be honest. Um, but he's, he's come in and, and done, and done really well in the glimpses
05:26that we've seen from him. And he's, uh, he's definitely added something a bit different to,
05:30to that attack that isn't quite firing all cylinders yet. Um, there's definitely been some
05:35moments and glimpses of brilliance from certain individuals. Um, but it's not quite clicked just
05:40yet. Um, I think Jorginho has definitely had a bit of a rusty start and he was obviously on the
05:45bench for this one and came on and played with a bit of a point to prove. And there were some,
05:50some moments where he kind of kept holding the ball too long, but you could just see how
05:55desperate he was to try and unlock that door. And he was definitely energetic and had a really good
05:59shot saved superbly by Sam Johnston. And he kind of felt that that was a big chance and
06:06time was running out, but they, they managed to get the equaliser in the end. And it's a,
06:10definitely a point gained, I think, in this scenario, because they very easily could have lost it.
06:15Yeah, absolutely. And there have been calls in some quarters, uh, mainly online. I've seen this,
06:19uh, to drop Seagull skipper Lewis Dunk. Lewis Dunk has been in the Abbey and starting
06:2411 for just two clean sheets and a calendar year. The 0-0 draw with Brentford in December and
06:27a 1-0 win at Newcastle last October. Um, I think it's quite plain to see that Brighton do have
06:32defensive problems having recorded just four clean sheets in 28 Premier League games. Um,
06:37so is taking the captain out of the firing line the answer, Derren, um, quite a big summer
06:42splashes for Diego Coppola and Olivier Buscagli. Um, they're yet to make their Premier League
06:46debuts. Is it maybe time to give those two a go at some stage? Yeah, it's an interesting one,
06:52isn't it? I can see where the fans are coming from. And last season, I would probably have agreed with
06:57them. I would have said, yes, you know, Dunk is maybe part of the, part of the problem. But I,
07:02I honestly, the first six or seven games, I really don't see it this, this year. I think he's, um,
07:07I think he's had a good preseason and he looks the fittest he has, um, for, for some time. And
07:13I actually think he's, he's playing much better than he, than he was last season. And the partnership
07:17with Van Heek, um, uh, it's a good one. Um, I know they haven't kept a clean sheet, but I think you
07:24can also look at the situation in front of them where the midfield has been not, not at its best
07:30as, as, as well. You know, they've had, um, Yassi Nayari has probably been their most consistent
07:35midfielder, but Carlos Beliba, who last season offered, you know, quite a bit of protection in,
07:40in, in, in front of them. Uh, he, he hasn't helped, um, in my opinion, but, um, but yeah,
07:47I think Dunk is, is doing okay. I think, uh, I can see why the fans are saying that, but, um,
07:52um, having watched them, you know, against the likes of Manchester City, I thought against
07:57Erling Haaland, Dunk and Van Hecker were, were an excellent, excellent combination. The best I've
08:02seen those two play together, um, for, for quite some time. And actually it was Van Hecker who
08:08actually had probably a few shaky moments this season. He conceded a penalty at Bournemouth and
08:13then he can see he's then scored the own goal against Tottenham as well. But, but, um, he showed his
08:19character and then he's hit back against, you know, and got, got the equalizer against Wolves
08:23as well. So, so for me, I think it's probably the best centre-back pair that Brighton have got
08:29at the moment. Coppola, he came in for 10 million and Boscagli on a free from, uh, from PSV. Um,
08:36Coppola's played twice in the Premier League. He's been introduced as a late substitute, uh, on,
08:41on two occasions. And I think he's one for the future. He looks, he looks very physical. And
08:46sometimes in the last five or 10 minutes, Herzl has brought him on just to shore up,
08:49uh, the defence and try and hold on in the, in the closing stages as they did against Manchester City.
08:55And, um, yeah, he looks good. He looks good. He moves well. He's physical six foot four and nice
09:01and strong. Uh, and he's played in the Carabao. He started both the Carabao Cup wins as has Boscagli as
09:07well. Um, and I think there's, there's more to come from them, um, particularly Boscagli. He's,
09:12he's, he'll be frustrated that he hasn't had a chance, uh, in, in the Premier League and hopefully
09:17he will be able to improve himself. But, um, um, yeah, I think for now though, with Newcastle coming
09:24up, I think dunk starts for me. Uh, but that's, yeah, that's my view anyway.
09:29Um, while we're on the subject of potential tweaks to the, to the team, Sam, do you think
09:34there are other tweaks that Selah can make to the side? Um, you mentioned potentially giving
09:38one of the Greek lads to go instead of Jorginia. I've also seen some people suggest maybe bringing
09:43in Jason Steele for Buck for Bruggan. Um, what changes would you make, uh, if any?
09:48Yeah, no, it's a tricky one for Fabian, I think, to, to kind of find that right balance. Obviously,
09:52he's got a few different options that he can, he can go to. And we've seen, obviously,
09:56him switch up a little bit, obviously, as you've mentioned with, with Welbeck, um, coming in. I can't
10:01imagine he'll, he'll start from, um, start from me off again, uh, for the next one,
10:06I think, because he made such an impact off the bench at Chelsea that there might be a feeling
10:10that he can probably do, do that again. Um, so it'd be interesting to see if Jorginho goes back
10:15into that, that false nine role. Um, but yeah, I definitely would like to see him as start a
10:20match in the Premier League and, and just to see what he can do from the off. Um, because as I say,
10:25we've seen glimpses. It was, um, yeah, showing what he can do in, in, in, uh, in setting his
10:30teammates up as well. It was such a great cross for, for Van Hek. So yeah, you'd like to,
10:34like to see him get an opportunity, um, in the team. And interesting to see if he keeps, uh,
10:39starting Belieber and taking him off, or if he's going to try and maybe bring him on. And it's,
10:44it's definitely a problem for Brighton at the moment. They're still not able to get the best
10:48from Belieber. And he definitely wasn't the worst performer by any means. And he did obviously make
10:54the comment that it was to do with the yellow card that, um, that he decided to bring him off at
10:58half time, but he wasn't the only one that was in the book. Cause I think at least three others.
11:02Um, and Fabi wasn't happy with that either, with the referee giving out yellow cards quite,
11:07quite quick, but I don't think he can have any complaint about the manner of the yellow card
11:12that Belieber got. To be honest, it was quite a late, a late challenge and it kind of summed things
11:16up for him at the moment. So it'd be interesting to see if he, if he starts again. Um, but yeah,
11:21I think I'd definitely like to see Coppola or even Biscali get a chance in the Premier League,
11:25just to see, see what they can do in defense. Obviously Lewis Dunk isn't getting any younger.
11:29He's not going to be able to start every game. Um, we saw obviously Adam Webster start to come
11:34in on a more regular basis. So it'd be interesting to see if, um, if they can start to mold, um,
11:40Coppola or Biscali into, into the team, but obviously Van Hecht's going to be, um, there to stay.
11:45And there's no move in here, and rightly so too. But in terms of the goalkeeper,
11:49I think there's nothing to worry about there. I think Barber Brogan should keep his place in the
11:53team. I think, as you mentioned, he did have actually quite a good game against Wolves and
11:56the goal was quite unlucky. Um, to be honest, I don't think he could have done much about it.
12:01Um, so yeah, I've not got any concern with the goalkeeper and I don't think that there should
12:05be any changes in that department at the moment.
12:07Uh, well, we now move into an international break, uh, which as Derren said, means Brighton's
12:13men's first team won't take to the field again until the 18th of October at home to Newcastle
12:17and Premier League. And as the action pauses and we have a chance to reflect, Derren, how
12:20would you assess Albion's season so far? As you mentioned, they're 12th in the league
12:24after seven games, but they're also through to the round of 16 in the Carabao Cup.
12:27Uh, what do you make of their campaign at this, uh, still fairly early stage?
12:32Yes. Yeah. So yeah, inconsistent three draws, two wins and two defeats so far for, for Brighton.
12:41Um, they probably deserved a couple more points, but overall they, they just haven't been clinical
12:46or good enough in, in the key moments. Um, but it's, it's sort of the little details, which
12:51has frustrated them really, you know, and I think that highlighted against sort of Fulham
12:55and Tottenham where the games that they were winning, uh, should have closed out, uh, for the win,
13:00but just didn't have the game management to do so. And I think that's what's frustrating,
13:03uh, a lot of the fans and why some of the fans are on Herzella's, uh, Herzella's back a little bit.
13:08But, um, um, but you cannot argue with the spirit of the team though. They, they, they show up and
13:14they compete. And I don't think there's been one occasion so far this season where they've lost
13:18for the lack of trying, you know, I think, I think the main thing is, is that the key players at the
13:23moment, the big players who you need to perform have been, uh, been off the pace. Sam mentioned Carlos
13:28Belieber, you can't hide from that. He's been, he's been poor, probably a bit of a liability to
13:33keep, keep starting all the time at the moment. Um, but Mitoma, uh, the same, Jorginho struggled
13:40for goals. Welbeck too, um, other than his brace against sort of 10 men against Chelsea,
13:46where there was a bit of extra space for him. He's, he's really, um, really, really struggled.
13:52And I think the attacking situation was always going to be a gamble. They sold Pedro, um,
13:57Evan Ferguson went out on loan as well. And the Greek lads, um, you know, they weren't ready.
14:02They, they, they're untested in, in the Premier League. So, but at some stage, you've got to think
14:08that Herzell has got to be tempted just to say, okay, let's just, let's just give them a go.
14:13Because otherwise you're not going to find out, you know, this, uh, Tissimass, I think is probably
14:17ahead of, um, Kostoulas at the moment in the, in the fitness and in terms of being ready. So I'd
14:24probably like to see him start against Newcastle and have a, um, uh, a good run out. So, so that,
14:30that would be interesting to see how they go. But I think personally Herzella was left a bit short
14:35there really by, by the club. I think they didn't replace Pedro. Uh, Ferguson was never really in the
14:41plans. So, and I think just to have that reliance on Danny Welbeck, who's 34, um, Jorginho should have
14:48done a bit better, but he, he hasn't tried him in different roles, um, higher up the pitch,
14:53back in his number 10 role. Um, so, so yeah, I think he's been left a bit short on that,
14:58but on the plus side, I think Minté's looked very good. He's been absolutely electric this season,
15:03easily Brighton's most dangerous player. Uh, Dick Cuiper looks a real bargain at left back.
15:08And I think Cadioglu as well, he deserves a mention as well. I think he's been press impressive. So,
15:13so there's been some good, but yeah, lots, lots to work on. Uh, going back to the Greek lads,
15:19um, surely they've spent, they spent a lot of money on that Kostoulas there, didn't they?
15:22Surely the amount they spend means at some point they'll surely have to play, won't they? You
15:27can't spend that amount of money on a kid for him not to play. Exactly. So 50 million for the
15:31pair of them, 30 million for Kostoulas. And there has to be a time where they think, okay,
15:36they've been through, they keep, he keeps calling it an adaptation process where they're,
15:40they're getting up to speed and, and you just thought, hey, I'll just let them go because
15:45the others aren't really doing much. And you just think, just give them a chance to see what they
15:50can do. Uh, and you get into the point where it's sort of, well, they can't do any worse than what
15:54the others are doing. So it's, um, you know, just give them young, hungry, obviously talented. Um,
16:01yeah, just unleash them, put them out there and see, see how they go. But, uh, yeah. Yeah.
16:07So that would be an interesting call. I think after this international break,
16:10you may see them sort of playing a bit more. Kostoulas was in the Premier League matchday
16:14squad for the first time, uh, at Wolves. So hopefully that's a sign that those two are both,
16:20um, working their way into the first team.
16:23Yeah, absolutely. Hashtag free the Greeks. We'll get that trended on Twitter, Jared.
16:29Um, moving on to Crawley Town, a 3-1 loss at Cambridge consigned the Reds to a seventh defeat in 11 games.
16:34Shane Lavery, Killian Kuwassi, and Pelly Ruddick Mpanzu struck for the usual Kabby
16:39Shamanga netted Crawley's consolation goal. The defeat leaves the Reds fourth from bottom in
16:44lead two and just two points above the drop. Um, you were at the Abbey Stadium, weren't you,
16:48Mark, for this one on commentary duty. Um, it sounds like another incredibly dispiriting
16:53afternoon for everyone involved at Crawley Town.
16:56It was, yeah. First of all, I just like to say, I wish my first two names were Kelly Ruddick,
17:00because, uh, my life would be a lot more interesting.
17:04Yeah, it was just such a strange afternoon, because I know I do this a lot, but I looked
17:11at the stats and Crawley had 71% possession. They had twice as many shots on goal as Cambridge and I had.
17:18They had 495 passes compared to Cambridge's 203. So you look at that and you think Crawley have
17:28absolutely dominated that game, but at no point did you feel that Crawley were going to win that
17:33game on Saturday. It was bizarre. I mean, and I think it was the manner of the goals as well
17:38that Cambridge scored that was just really dispiriting and demoralizing for the players,
17:44the fans, the bench, the staff, everybody, which you could just, there was just a real sense of,
17:50oh God, um, every time saw Cambridge went forward. Uh, they, they scored after 12 minutes,
17:56Cambridge. It was a corner that came in. It, there was a little bit of luck because it,
18:02I think it hit, was it Badger Army? It was, it hit somebody in the, um, Crawley defense on the chest
18:07and it just fell at the feet of a, um, Cambridge player who just had to hit the target and he did.
18:13And then it was the start of the second half. Crawley dominated the game after that without
18:18really creating anything clear cut. And then at the start of the second half, Cambridge was just
18:23hitting with a double blow and it was two really poor goals. One of the first one was a corner which
18:29they just failed to clear again. And the second one, they were just opened up and Scott Lindsay
18:34raised it afterwards, actually said, you look at that third goal. There's a winger went down, beat Josh
18:39Flint, crossed it in and then, um, um, came in and deciphered it at home. Uh, and there was nobody
18:47else in the picture other than the three defenders. None of the midfielders had come back to try and
18:52there was time for them to do it because the winger came, came sort of had to take it around Josh
18:57Flint and that sort of plenty of time. And that's what Scott said afterwards. They weren't running.
19:01Nobody was running for me today. And if they're going to run for me, then I'm going to play for
19:05me. But again, I know we're going to come on to what Scott said about, uh, divine intervention,
19:11but Dion Conroy hit the post when it looked like it was harder to not score. Uh, Josh
19:18Flint had a free header, which he should have got at least got on the target. Um, but it was just,
19:24yeah, it was just really odd, but yeah. Um, on the stats as well, the corner count,
19:28Paulie had 10 corners. Cambridge had two. They scored from both their corners.
19:33And, um, Scott, I hope he doesn't mind me saying this, but afterwards, after we stopped recording
19:37and everything on Saturday, he said, weren't our corners rubbish? And I said, yeah, he said,
19:43I think we have 10 corners and 12 of them to keep acclaimed sort of thing. So it was, um,
19:48a little bit tongue in cheek, obviously there, but, um, it was just, just a really frustrating
19:53performance and they got really touchy. Jack rolls came on and seemed determined to just annoy
20:00everybody. Um, uh, the fans, the Cawley fans had to be split apart. The young and the old,
20:07the young were singing songs. Yeah. We could see something happening in the stewards, but Steve
20:13Herbert, our columnist wrote this week that some of the younger fans need to grow up a little bit.
20:18And when we're losing, you've got to realize that sometimes that happens rather, but just don't
20:23turn on your team like they did. I didn't hear what was sung. I don't know what we said, but the
20:27stewards had to stand in between them at one point. And that was in the Crawley away fan. And it's just
20:32like, what's going on. But I know we're going to be on to Leonorian later, much more positive than
20:37Leonorian. So not all is lost, but Saturday was just a really odd, dispiriting day for Crawley
20:43town. And if you watched Scott Lindsay's video on our website, he just seemed, it wasn't even if
20:50he was broken. He was just fed up, I think, fed up and cross and angry and disappointed. Yeah.
20:55As, as were most people involved with Crawley that day.
20:59Yeah. Well, Mark might be optimistic. Um, Scott Lindsay, in his post-match interview,
21:03was decidedly the opposite. He said Crawley were weak, easy to score against, and as Mark said,
21:07suggested divine intervention might be needed to turn their fortunes around.
21:10Um, I don't think any of us predicted this, Sam, I think it's safe to say. Um, where and
21:16why has it gone wrong, so wrong for the rest of the season? And at what point do we say Crawley
21:21are in crisis? Um, as we mentioned, it was their seventh defeat in 11 league games. Um, it makes
21:25for particularly grim reading at the moment, doesn't it?
21:28It certainly does. Yeah. Yeah, it's, it's, it's not something we could, we could envisage coming.
21:33And as you say, really, I think when Scott Lindsay came back, we know he's worked
21:37miracles in league two before. Um, and we were kind of expecting him to, to do it again.
21:42Obviously he was unlucky not to keep them up in league one. And I suppose there was just the
21:46expectation that they would, they would then have a good season in league two and just hit
21:50the ground running. But it really hasn't worked out like that at all. And I think when your own
21:55manager is coming out post-match and saying you're weak and easy to score against, it just tells you
21:59how deep the problems go. And obviously Scott, he's not just being emotional, he's being honest as
22:04well. Um, and he's just saying what a lot of the fans have been thinking and feeling and seeing for
22:11weeks now, to be honest. Um, and defensively it's, it's obviously not been great. There's no real
22:16consistency there and no authority in key moments. And, um, just, I think when they concede early,
22:23the heads drop, um, we've seen that far too often where things aren't going their way and it just all
22:30falls apart and crumbles really quickly, which is something that Scott has been really angry to,
22:35to see and hasn't, hasn't seen enough fight in, in key moments. And, and, and they definitely are
22:41conceding kind of cheap, avoidable goals as well. And that's something which, which needs to, needs to
22:46change and, and just to be able to score more goals as well. But that's been a real, a real issue.
22:51They've, they've not been able to, to score enough goals to win games. Scott's talked about
22:55an invisible wall between them and the goal. Um, and it's, everything seems to just be going
23:02against them. Um, really just, it really hasn't worked out at all so far. Um, and on, are they in
23:07crisis? It's obviously not a word you want to kind of throw around, but if they're not already,
23:11then they're absolutely teetering on the edge of one. I think form wise, it's, it's pretty grim reading.
23:16And if it continues much longer, they'll find themselves in a relegation scrap and they could be out
23:20in the football league if they're not careful. Yeah, that'd be dreadful. And Mark,
23:23I also saw that Gavin Holohan spoke to the media afterwards. Um, I'm paraphrasing,
23:27but I basically, I think he said that they had the quality within the squad,
23:30but the players needed to stand up and be counted. Do the players need to carry,
23:35the players need to carry the can a little bit as well? I know that Scott's got a fair bit of grief,
23:39but the players also, do you think they need to take some accountability for their recent form?
23:44They absolutely do. Yeah. Uh, very much so. They, like, um, Scott said that, um,
23:49there was a few on Saturday that just weren't, didn't look committed to the cause. I know that's
23:54a big accusation to go, but sometimes when they lost the ball, you could just see that they weren't
23:59running back, tracking back. That third goal was the prime example where there was nobody
24:03in the box to sort of help the defense out. Um, going back to, you mentioned about the Lewis
24:09Dunk conversation. There are people calling for Dion Conroy not to be playing at the moment.
24:14He doesn't seem to be on his top form and he is the Lewis Dunk equivalent for Broadly Town. He's
24:19Scott Lindsay's general in the middle. He's the captain of the club captain, but he just,
24:23he, he doesn't seem to, uh, yeah, he's not, not hit the form. He did certainly during the promotion
24:29season and he hasn't seemed as reliable and calm on the ball as he has been in previous seasons. So
24:35it's just a blip in form hopefully, but something's not clicking. And Scott said that on Saturday,
24:42actually just said, we just don't seem to click at the moment. And like Gavin Houlihan said,
24:46they've just got to stick together. They've got to stick together. I keep saying Houlihan,
24:50it's Polly Hang. Um, Polly Hang. But they've just got to, they've got to stand up and be counted.
24:55Now everybody's got to stick together and just really work hard now to, uh, to get them out of this,
25:01uh, out of this horrible situation.
25:03Yeah, absolutely. And before we move on to the, um, late in Orient game on Tuesday night,
25:07uh, Monday saw sporting director Tobias Phoenix leave the Reds by mutual consent. Uh,
25:12the former director of football operations at Bolton joined Crawley during last season when
25:16the Reds were relegated from League One. He leaves just over two months after KB Sports and Leisure
25:21completed a takeover of the club and is the latest change in a turbulent year for the Reds
25:25after former co-owner Preston Johnson resigned in July over the club's, uh, transfer strategy.
25:30Um, what was the reaction for Phoenix departure, Mark? Um, what was his legacy? Um, I think that
25:37might be a short answer. Um, and, uh, where did the Reds go from here in terms of their recruitment?
25:42With his legacy, God knows, because nobody got to know him. Nobody knew what he, I mean,
25:48I know he's a sporting director, so I'm assuming he was involved in transfers, in recruitment,
25:53um, the day-to-day running of the team, et cetera, and that. But yeah, I requested a couple of times.
25:59So when Preston Johnson and Ben Levin were chairman and vice chairman, I asked a couple of times,
26:04could we have an interview with Tobias? Everybody wants to know who he is, what he does,
26:08et cetera. And I was told, oh, we'll ask him, but he's quite a private person. So
26:14I'm not, I'm not too hopeful that you want to do one. But yeah, I mean, he hit the headlines when he
26:20allegedly offered a fan out in the, in the club park after, after a fan took exception to him and
26:27Preston appearing to be laughing after they conceded the goal against Cambridge. Um,
26:32um, apparently the internal investigation said all he did was let's chat about this outside of the
26:38ground. So, but who knows what happened there? We don't know the full story, but, uh, the actual
26:44reaction was generally, I think he, yeah, general reaction was good. Yeah. I mean, after Saturday's
26:55game, there were a couple of fans, I think we discussed this now Monday, that just went on
26:59social media and just said, this is not Scott's fault. This is not the player's fault. This is
27:02Tobias fingers fault. Why it's his fault. I don't know. And maybe we will, but maybe his legacy will
27:09be once he left, things turned around and it was his fault. Who knows? But again, it might not get
27:15any better. It might get worse. So, and in terms of, um, recruited to how it will change your recruitment.
27:23We Preston Johnson left because he didn't like the way the recruitment was going.
27:27Uh, the recruitment doesn't seem to have worked so far.
27:32No, maybe that's why they parted ways. Um, or it must be the reason why they parted ways because
27:39it isn't working out how they'd all hope so. I don't know what this means going forward. I mean,
27:43is Scott in charge of transfers now? Is someone else's something to ask Scott when we next speak to him?
27:49Um, and does it mean a lot more work for Scott Lindsay, which he probably doesn't need right now
27:54because he needs to coach those players into putting in really good performances. So it's a,
27:58yeah, it's a really, um, I was, I mean, I was and wasn't surprised on Monday morning because
28:05one, I didn't know you never knew he was there other than those big smiley photos when the new owners
28:11came in, um, in August. But yeah, if it, yeah, we'll see in the next few games, whether how much
28:20influence the by-screen is having a real estate moment.
28:22Uh, moving back to matters on the pitch, uh, Crawley Town's miserable week was compounded on
28:27Tuesday night as ex-Brighton striker Aaron Connolly netted an exquisite 93rd minute free kick to see
28:33late Noreen come from behind to beat the Reds 2-1 in the EFL trophy. Louis Flower fired Crawley
28:37in front inside three minutes before Dimitri Mitchell leveled for the O's on 40 minutes. Crawley's late
28:42winner leaves Crawley second in Southern Group F, level on points with holds Peterborough. Um, considering
28:48everything that's going on with their league campaign, Sam, I don't think the EFL trophy
28:51would be particularly high on the Reds' priority list this season, but that must sting, surely,
28:56to lose it that way. Absolutely, yeah. Even if the EFL trophy isn't Crawley's main focus,
29:01the manner of the defeat, of course, will hurt. It's, it's, um, it's always frustrating, I guess,
29:06to take an early deed, um, concede an equaliser, and then lose it in stoppage time. And as you said,
29:11it was a moment of real quality, um, but it does add to what's becoming a very demoralising run of results.
29:17Um, and yeah, as you say, it's the EFL trophy, not the league. Um, and priorities are elsewhere,
29:24but Crawley could have used a win just to stop the rot a bit, build a bit of belief and shift
29:29the mood around the place. But instead, it's another defeat and pressure, obviously,
29:32does continue to mount on the players to turn it around. And, and regardless of what the competition
29:37is, when, when you lose and late, you can see late goals, it does feel like a gut, a gut punch.
29:43And obviously they're, they're building up quickly, aren't they, at the moment, really?
29:46And they can start to take their toll. But despite that heartbreak, there were lots of positives to
29:50take. And Scott Lindsay will know that, um, it's easy to focus on, on the result,
29:55especially when it continues a tough run. But in terms of performance, they were encouraging,
29:59encouraging signs. So Crawley would write in spells, play within 10. And some of the fringe
30:03players really put their hand up, um, to be starting in the league as well. I thought Max Anderson, uh,
30:09seemed lively in the midfield. Louis Flower took his goal well and showed energy throughout.
30:13And Ben Ratcliffe put in a composed display. Um, so for what was a young side, there's,
30:17there's a lot of maturity. Um, and that will definitely give Lindsay something to think about
30:21ahead of all sorts visit. Um, and there's definitely, yeah, some question marks over what,
30:26of what team Lindsay will put out, whether he will obviously make changes from that league game
30:30and start to put in some of these players impressed in the cup. Um, but he said,
30:34it gives me things to think about and it's great. Um, it's a great game for us.
30:38We're playing the team who are top of the league, bringing them on. That's what I want to be all
30:41about. I want that to be a real incentive for us to play, play well and win, score and defend well,
30:46and nothing better than taking on the league leaders. I think it's a great opportunity for
30:49us now to try and turn the corner. And he's really encouraged by what he saw,
30:53really good performances. And he kind of got an idea of what he wants to do for Saturday.
30:59Yes. As you mentioned, the Reds' task doesn't get any easier as they welcome top of the table
31:02Walsall to the Broadfield Stadium on Saturday. Uh, the Saddlers have won eight of their 11 league
31:06two games and sit just a point off Scott Lindsey's old team in second. Um, it's another tough game.
31:11Mark, um, how do you see this one going? The final Tobias Phoenix there, I think he wants to do an interview.
31:17Yeah, he's, uh, he's asked me if I fancied the, uh, Crawley Townsport and director job. I think,
31:21um, I think I might have to polarly decline.
31:24Yeah. Um, no, it's gonna, um, yeah, I mean, it'll, it'll be typical if Crawley went and won on Saturday,
31:30being the league leaders, because they've done that before in previous seasons where they've had a
31:35run of bad results, lost 14, like Barrow weren't a 14, they're a well-organised team,
31:40but you shouldn't be losing for them at home. But Wolves will come top of the league and Crawley will
31:44probably beat them handsomely as well on Saturday. But yeah, Sam, Sam said about the selection issue
31:51has, because if you put the two sides, if you put the two sides by side, there were eight changes
31:58for Tuesday night's game against Lane Orient, against the team that played Cambridge, you would
32:02have thought the Tuesday night team was the first choice team and the Saturday team was not the first
32:07choice league side. So he's got some big decisions to make. Uh, Matt, like Sam said, Max Anderson was
32:13excellent. Um, I, I always find it odd that he doesn't play more, Max Anderson, because every
32:19time he plays, he gives 100%, he battles hard, he scores important goals at times,
32:24against Charlton Awain last year, he scored the winner. Um, so, yeah, um, it's gonna be very,
32:30very interesting what the line-up looks like on Saturday. But, Scott, as he said, bring them on.
32:36I think it's a really good fixture for them, because they know they have to be good. I mean,
32:40they knew they had to be good against Cambridge, but, but they've got to be, they've got to be at
32:44the top of their game to compete with. It's also been really impressive this year. So, uh, yeah,
32:49no, but injury-wise, uh, we're waiting for an update on Harvey Davis's finger. Um, so how long
32:57he's gonna be out for. But Jojo Wallachot, he's been, he's been good. I don't, I wouldn't say he was
33:02at fault of any of the goals in the last two games. So, um, hopefully he'll be, and he pulled off a
33:06really good save on Tuesday night. Um, again, he's a really good shot stopper at the time.
33:11Um, but Adi Adi Yemo, as Scott said last week, we're hoping he'll be back. He picked up
33:16not hearing Barrow. But he said they were wrapping him in cotton wool last week, hoping that he'd be
33:21ready for this week. Um, Danny Cashman, I believe, will still be out. Um, so, yeah, we'll have to see.
33:28But it's gonna be really interesting who he picks on that side, um, on Saturday. And they have got,
33:34although they lost, it was a really soft three kick the referee gave as well that led to the
33:39winner. So it could have easily been a one-all draw and then Crawley went on penalties and then
33:44you're suddenly really positive. Because there's four defeats on the trot now, it looks, it looks
33:50worse than it probably is. I think they've got a little bit of momentum from the performance
33:53on Tuesday night. So hopefully they can carry that forward. I'd love to see Ben Radcliffe get a start.
33:59And like I say, yeah, I think they can get something out of this. I think they can shock
34:04Walsall a little bit. And who knows? And the devised Phoenix news, the fans might be a little
34:10bit more buoyant. I don't know. It's, I mean, it's, it's horrible to criticize someone or
34:15cheer someone losing their job, but the Crawley fans seem to be doing that on social media and that,
34:20hopefully that translates to positivity on Saturday and get behind the lamp.
34:25Yes, we can only hope. Um, it leads us on quite nicely to score predictions. As we mentioned,
34:30no Brighton game this week due to the international break, but we have Crawley v Walsall. Um, I don't
34:35know if whether that summation you just gave there, Mark, is positivity, optimism or anything
34:40like that. Um, or we're just clutching the straws. How do you think, um, Saturday's going to go?
34:46I am going to go with my heart and say Crawley are going to win 2-1.
34:51What does your head say? A draw.
34:55A draw. They'll take a draw.
34:58No, for 2-1.
35:002-1. Sam, they take a draw, wouldn't they? They bite your hand off for a draw.
35:03They absolutely would bite your hand off a draw, but I don't think they're going to get one. I
35:06think my head's saying a 2-1 defeat, unfortunately. Um, we'll still have been really good this season,
35:11and I think they'll continue.
35:14And finally, Darren. Uh, yeah. Um, yeah, I don't know.
35:19I think they're going to get hammered, I think.
35:23Yeah. Well, yeah, no, we'll still look good, but because I'm easily swayed, and Mark was very
35:27persuasive that Crawley are going to bounce back, I'm going to go for a 2-0 Crawley, I think.
35:31I'm going to think that they can pull up a shot.
35:35Oh, we can only hope. Best of luck to Crawley Town this weekend, and thank you very much for joining
35:40us this week, chaps, as ever. Uh, don't forget you can catch up with all the native sports news
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