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00:00We don't expect people to vanish from our lives, never to be heard of again.
00:1867 women murdered or missing between Newcastle and Byron Bay and their cases remain unsolved.
00:29The police thought Leanne was just a runaway.
00:31That was it.
00:32She would never turn her back on her children, never.
00:39Many of these cases are linked.
00:45Had patterns been missed?
00:48There was a serial killer or serial killers operating on the mid-north coast.
00:53One of the last times I ever hitchhiked.
00:58It shook me to the core.
01:19The north coast of New South Wales on the east coast of Australia is an incredible
01:23place.
01:24It is a paradise.
01:26Beautiful pristine beaches.
01:28Quite free and easy and it's an idyllic place to be.
01:32It's one of the most beautiful places in Australia, like visually it's striking.
01:38The beaches are stunning.
01:39The sand is white and the water is green and blue.
01:43The lifestyle is really laid back.
01:44The summers are hot.
01:45It's all about barbecues and beaches, but the winters are also mild paradise.
01:59The north coast region really is an iconic part of Australia.
02:05It runs from the eastern seaboard from the city of Newcastle, two hours north of Sydney,
02:11to the beautiful Byron Bay.
02:24But it also has that dark underside.
02:27There's a sense of free abandon.
02:31People think that they're safe because everyone has a good vibe to them.
02:35I think that's a mistake.
02:40With you carefree and easy, sometimes you let your guard down.
02:47There is a dark side to this region.
02:50It's well documented and you can't hide from that.
02:56I moved to the mid-north coast of New South Wales, Bellingen, in 2015.
03:14Bellingen's a tiny place between Newcastle to Byron Bay.
03:18Beautiful little rural village, a couple thousand people with a few more thousand people scattered
03:23in the hills.
03:26My name is Jeremy Buckingham, I'm a member of parliament.
03:29And my mission, my life's mission now, is to find answers to what happened to the murdered
03:34and missing women on the north coast of New South Wales.
03:39This is where we used to come and walk.
03:41We'd walk the dogs along this track every afternoon, a bit of fresh air, listen to the birds.
03:48But just over the hill here, there's a bit of a spot that's a little bit eerie.
03:52I know it sounds strange, but sometimes you walk into a house or you're in a certain spot
04:02and you get a weird feeling.
04:06And that's what happened here.
04:07I said to my wife, has something ever happened in this area?
04:10Something ever happened in this forest?
04:12And she said, well, just down the road, Rose Howell had disappeared a couple of decades before.
04:22I'd never heard of it.
04:24I'd never heard of it, Rose Rain Howell.
04:27And I thought, how could it be that a woman had disappeared from this area and I'd never
04:32heard of it?
04:33So I started looking into it.
04:38I went home that night, sat down with a cup of tea and Googled up missing woman Bellingen.
04:47Rose Rain Howell, just 19 years old, had been a young woman, active, making plans, moving
04:55through the community, well-known, well-liked.
04:58And she had been hitchhiking, looking for a lift, not far out of Bellingen, when she just
05:04disappeared in the early 2000s.
05:10This is the old Pacific Highway, just outside Bellingen.
05:14It's the last place that Rose Howell was ever seen alive.
05:19She'd been in town, printing out invitations for her birthday, and she was travelling back
05:24home to the hippie commune, Bundagen, just off in the bush there.
05:30Two people saw her walk towards a white car over here, and she was never seen again.
05:44Rose was the first case that I looked into, and I was shocked.
05:49Because not far from where I lived, on the old Pacific Highway, in the mid-90s, another
05:55young woman, Inika Hinckley, had been found and she had been murdered and raped and her
06:02body dumped near an old truck stop on that Pacific Highway.
06:13Inika Hinckley was just 20 years old when she set out from Melbourne, travelling to Byron
06:19Bay on the north coast, a young musician with her whole life in front of her.
06:26It was 1996 when her body was found in this bush just over here.
06:35And you've got to consider, this is just one kilometre from where, six years later, Rose
06:41Howell disappeared.
06:50Then I found a young mother, Susan Kiley, vanished, and the police had done almost nothing to
07:00investigate what happened to her.
07:02I just couldn't believe it.
07:05How could there be three women, disappeared, one of them had been found murdered, in this
07:12tiny little community, and almost no one was talking about it.
07:16And I wondered if this was symptomatic of a broader pattern.
07:30My name's Gary Kiley.
07:32Regrettably, my sister Susan was, I have no doubt, murdered on December 1 or thereabouts
07:40in 1989.
07:43There's Susan in one of my favourite photos of her, happy and carefree in her early days.
07:58Susan was living up in Bellingen, the north coast of New South Wales, in the late 80s.
08:04She had divorced her husband, but she was, I think, fairly desperate to break away.
08:13So that's where she went with her daughter, Heidi.
08:19And also the hinterland of Bellingen is very attractive, very wooded, there's creeks, there's
08:26rivers.
08:27Nice country town in New South Wales.
08:29So I could see why Susan would have been attracted to perhaps move to the north coast.
08:42This is a photo of Susan much later, with Heidi, the younger daughter.
08:47We think Heidi must have been about four at that stage.
08:53Susan was living in some humble place just outside of Bellingen on New South Wales.
08:59North coast with her younger daughter, Heidi.
09:05And Heidi was put on the school bus that morning.
09:11My sister had to then go into town at Bellingen.
09:15And as was her habit, she hitchhiked.
09:19She had no other means of getting in there.
09:23And she then joined some friends in town.
09:26They socialised for some time.
09:30Susan apparently then went to go to the bank.
09:38And that was it.
09:40After that time, no one can say what happened to Susan.
09:51At the time of Susan's disappearance, Heidi was eight years old.
09:59When she got back from school that day, back in 1989, the house was vacant and the mother
10:06wasn't there.
10:12And I think policing wasn't done, such as, in a normal course of events, you would expect
10:21that that house would have been a potential scene of a crime or perhaps a homicide.
10:29I know she would never, ever just dump her daughter under those circumstances.
10:38I can only conclude that she was murdered.
10:41She would never turn her back on her children.
10:44Never.
10:54No one conducted any interviews with people in the main street of Bellingen.
11:02No interviews were conducted.
11:05Records are scant about what police activity did take place.
11:11People that were interviewed about the disappearance.
11:16None of their alibis were rigorously questioned or checked.
11:31It took us 21 years to get a coroner's inquest.
11:38He opened up proceedings by saying to the police that were in attendance, why has this taken
11:4421 years for Susan's disappearance to come to a coroner's inquest?
11:52He made the point that a lot happens in 21 years.
11:57And people who may have been prime suspects are perhaps disappeared, could even be dead.
12:04And because of that we've all suffered and justice hasn't been done.
12:10Talking to Gary Kiley was just such a shocking experience because here was this man, his sister
12:19has disappeared.
12:21He's wondering every day what has happened to her.
12:26The coronial inquest said that the police did not have any evidence they could provide of
12:34what they had done at the time to actually investigate her disappearance.
12:40So how could you, how could that be the situation?
12:45How does a family deal with that?
12:47It's hard not to be affected when you look at these stories.
12:59You know, I'd lost my son to suicide, that's something that happened.
13:22You understand loss, what it is to, you know, you understand what it is to lose a child.
13:36And it's, you know, terrible, you know, and I know what happened to my son.
13:42But to imagine, you know, not knowing or an even worse circumstance, try and deal with that.
14:10Jeremy Buckingham became determined.
14:14He knew he had to keep digging because the disappearance of Susan Kiley and Rose Rain Howe,
14:20as well as the murder of Inika Hinckley in his hometown of Bellingham have remained unsolved
14:25for decades.
14:27I'm Dimity Clancy.
14:28I'm a reporter with 60 Minutes and I've covered crime for a lot of my career.
14:33The scale of what he uncovered is shocking.
14:40Jeremy Buckingham knew he had to keep digging because the disappearance of Susan Kiley and
14:58Rose Rain Howe, as well as the murder of Inika Hinckley in his hometown of Bellingham in Australia,
15:04have remained unsolved for decades.
15:08Someone knows something and the killers are still getting away with it.
15:12Well, what I did was look at whether or not what was happening in Bellingham and around
15:19was systemic across the mid-north coast.
15:23And so I started Googling up articles about murdered and missing women in the period from
15:28the 1970s to early 2000s.
15:31And what I found again and again and again, there were just more and more and more.
15:41It went from 5 to 10 to 15 to 20 to 25 into the 30s, 30 murdered and missing women on the
15:51mid-north coast that I could find just by Googling up documents.
15:56And I thought, how many more are there?
16:00I also asked the police through the parliamentary process, how many more did they know of which
16:07weren't on my list?
16:09And some weeks later, they came back shockingly, staggeringly to say that there was another
16:1535 which took the list to 67 unsolved homicides and disappearances on the north coast of New South
16:24Wales.
16:2567 cases of murdered and missing women.
16:34It's an appalling and heartbreaking number.
16:37So I thought to myself, I'm going to raise this in the New South Wales parliament.
16:41I'm going to use the resources of the parliament to find out what has been done to get justice
16:47for these women.
16:48It's an absolute anomaly, an appalling anomaly.
16:52And it has every indication that someone operated in that area, travelled that area, lived across
17:00that area and took women, destroyed their bodies, destroyed their lives.
17:06And it is a stain on our society.
17:17And it's appalling that it's taken so long for this matter to come before the House and
17:22to public attention.
17:23My name is Damien Loon.
17:24I'm a former detective sergeant and I've served for 35 years in the New South Wales Police force.
17:32I have worked on probably 40 to 50 homicides.
17:36I have investigated a number of cold case murders.
17:40And I was amazed, 67.
17:45That to me tells us we have a problem.
17:49And I was astounded.
17:50It seems to me that no one's talked to each other to say that, hey, we've got a problem
17:56here, particularly in this region, this area, that there's a lot of people gone missing
18:01and nothing's been done about it.
18:08Initially the reaction was head scratching and people thought I was a bit bonkers.
18:12They thought I was, you know, off in the weeds on some conspiracy theory.
18:17But when they read the list and then when I raised the further list that the police had
18:23given me, there was total shock.
18:29How could so many women go missing or be murdered in the one area over such a long period of
18:34time and their cases remain unsolved?
18:41Until I started asking questions, no one had put this list together.
18:47That's what's so shocking, that no one in the police had come out and said, look, we've
18:52got a problem.
18:53We've got an issue that has to be dealt with.
18:55We want the community to get behind us in finding out what happened to these women who died,
19:01some of them, in appalling, appalling murders.
19:06And it appears the police did very little.
19:09Sometimes they did nothing for decades.
19:11Not even interviewing families for up to 20 years after the fact.
19:16That is an absolute disgrace.
19:20Until Jeremy Buckingham started to link these cases literally year by year, town by town,
19:27nobody had any idea of the scale of the missing and murdered women between Newcastle and Byron
19:33Bay in Australia.
19:35Nearly 70 women over a 30 year period.
19:39Is this 67 individual disappearances and homicides, or is it possible that some of them are linked
19:47in terms of the perpetrator, the MO, etc.
19:52So I reached out to Xanthi Mallet.
19:54She's one of the most respected criminologists and academics working in this space.
19:59And she's well known in Australia for her analysis of criminals, criminal behaviour and serial
20:07killers in Australia.
20:08And I asked her to have a look at this data.
20:17My name is Dr Xanthi Mallet and I'm an Associate Professor of Criminology at Central Queensland
20:23University.
20:24My area of expertise is criminology.
20:26I focus a lot on gendered violence, specifically women as both victims and offenders and the
20:32crossover within the criminal justice space.
20:35But my background is truly forensic science.
20:37I bring together the hard science of forensics and the behavioural science of criminology.
20:42I must admit, I was quite shocked by the sheer numbers of cases.
20:46So my colleagues and I looked at data of missing and murdered women from 1977 along that corridor
20:52between the Newcastle and Byron regions.
20:54We started to look at patterns.
21:00Was there one individual who looked like they could have been responsible for a number of
21:04these cases?
21:05Had patterns been missed?
21:07What is going on on that highway?
21:10Is there something victimology-wise about these groups, you know, that tells us that this
21:14could be the same offender or is it the area in which the offender appeared to be comfortable?
21:22When we started to look at the data between Newcastle and Byron, we noticed that there were
21:26more cases coming up in distinct regions.
21:30I think we're looking at different clusters.
21:33We believe there are two, three, maybe as many as four that have acted as serial predators
21:39along that highway.
21:42So when you look at the north coast of New South Wales, you basically have cities every 80 to
21:48100 kilometres up the coast.
21:51They're dot, dot, dot, dot and little villages in between.
21:55But it's a strip that runs south to north.
21:59When you map it out, everywhere along that Pacific Highway, there are murdered and missing women
22:05all the way along and clusters in certain areas like Newcastle, Bellingen and Byron Bay.
22:13If you compare it to other areas that have a similar geography, similar demographics, there
22:18is nothing like it.
22:20It shows that something sinister and evil has been happening in this area for decades.
22:29The Pacific Highway is one of Australia's most important and travelled transport links.
22:48But with 67 women either murdered or missing between Newcastle and Byron Bay, this really
22:54is a highway of horror.
22:59When my colleagues and I started to look at this pattern of disappearances and murders
23:04along that coastal route, we noticed that there were specific areas where there was more activity.
23:10What it does highlight is a number of clusters that warrant further investigation.
23:15A cluster of cases are cases that could potentially be linked, that appear quite superficially to
23:22have certain things in common.
23:24So, for example, biological sex, age and situation.
23:28And some of those cases within that cluster may be connected by a perpetrator, for example.
23:35But just because you have a cluster of young people in one area, doesn't necessarily mean
23:40it's all the same offender, but it does warrant some further investigation.
23:49So, one cluster is the Newcastle cluster.
23:52We have Leanne Goodall, we have Robin Hickey and Amanda Robinson.
23:59Girls from the ages of 15 to 20 who all disappeared within, you know, just a short time period of
24:05each other in such a small geographic area.
24:09My name's Jane Goldsmith, and I've been a reporter with NBN News for 24 years.
24:16I've covered numerous missing persons cases over that time, particularly missing young girls in the Hunter region.
24:25So, on April 7, 1979, Robin Hickey, who was just 18, went missing from a bus stop at Belmont North.
24:34She'd been waiting at the bus stop, we believe, and she hasn't been seen since.
24:39Now, just two weeks later, 15-year-old Amanda Robinson had been at a school dance,
24:45and she was on a bus back to Swansea, quite close to Belmont.
24:51She made it to Swansea, we believe, but didn't make it home to her family that night.
24:58She was just 15 years old.
25:00Another local woman, Leanne Goodall, was last seen at Musselbrook Railway Station,
25:07and she hasn't been seen since.
25:10Now, her sister, Pam, believes she may not have ever made it onto that train.
25:17It's like the never-ending battle.
25:24Like, it just never stops, because there's no answers.
25:28No answers at all.
25:30My name is Pam Mitchell.
25:33My sister was Leanne Goodall, who disappeared 47 years ago, and her murder is still unsolved.
25:39Leanne was a free spirit.
25:42If she wanted to have a job, she'd have a job.
25:44If she wanted to take off, you know, hitching up the coast, she'd do that.
25:47You know, she was always on the go.
25:50Always on the go.
25:53She just, yeah, loved life, loved travel.
25:57You know, she just loved everybody, you know, and everybody loved her.
26:02Now, Leanne Goodall was sighted that night on a bus at Belmont.
26:09So, it's very possible she also went missing from around the same area as Amanda and Robin,
26:16and only a few months earlier.
26:19We realised there was something wrong when Leanne was due to start at the art college,
26:23and she didn't arrive back to start that course, which she'd been accepted into.
26:28When she didn't arrive, my mum and my brother Warren went to the police.
26:35The police investigation was extremely minimal.
26:40You know, they didn't interview my brother that, you know, Leanne shared a flat with.
26:44They didn't interview me.
26:45They didn't interview any other brothers.
26:47You know, they didn't interview anyone.
26:49They didn't go down and see the friends that she was going to Sydney with.
26:54The police thought Leanne was just a runaway.
26:56That was it.
26:59It seems absolutely unbelievable that the family members weren't interviewed,
27:04that police didn't take it seriously at the time.
27:07But again, she was treated as a runaway.
27:10The disappearance of Leanne Goodall is absolutely concerning
27:14as to the investigation or the lack thereof.
27:19So, that was the last official sighting for a long time.
27:22And then a friend we went to school with come forward
27:26and said that she'd seen Leanne at the Star Hotel on the 31st of December.
27:31There was some conjecture if she was actually at the Star Hotel.
27:34This is a hotel also frequented by serial killer Ivan Malak,
27:38who was convicted of seven backpackers murders.
27:42But when the family members aren't interviewed
27:43and cross-referenced with what they're saying,
27:46you paint a picture where you may be looking at the wrong area.
27:51And to be told that she's, oh, look, she's 20,
27:53she can do what she wants and she can run away,
27:55it's certainly not good enough.
27:58These women are walking home from a friend's,
28:00walking home from a dance,
28:02doing that every normal daily routine.
28:05Is it a spontaneous reaction that they're abducted off the street
28:09or is it well planned?
28:11And there seems to be a similarity there
28:14with these young women going missing.
28:16The other three young women who disappeared between 1979 and 1980
28:25that I have included in the Newcastle cluster
28:28because of the situation in which they disappeared and their age range.
28:32So we have Amanda Zollis, Joy Hodgins and Annie Tominac.
28:38They're all between that kind of 14 and 20,
28:41so all vulnerable in that sense and all young females.
28:46So what we have to realise for all six of these girls through to young women,
28:50they disappeared over such a short space of time
28:52and they are actually geographically quite close.
28:56So that does seem like a really significant number of disappearances
29:01and murders that are currently unexplained.
29:03So I think certainly this particular cluster does need further investigation.
29:10I do believe that some of these girls and young women
29:13could actually be additional Malat victims.
29:21Ivan Malat, one of Australia's most notorious psychopathic serial killers,
29:27was operating in the Newcastle area in the 1970s and 80s,
29:32working up there.
29:33And at that time, we saw a cluster of disappearances of young women
29:38that fit his MO.
29:40People picked up and disappeared.
29:43The question has to be asked, was he responsible?
29:47There's an enormous number of unsolved homicides,
29:51some of them are clustered and it has to be properly reinvestigated.
30:02Ivan Malat is notorious in Australia.
30:15Between 1989 and 1992, he murdered at least seven people.
30:22But he's long been suspected of having killed many more victims.
30:25After Ivan Malat was found guilty of these seven backpacker homicides
30:32and being led into a prison van, the corrective services officer was a former police officer.
30:38And as he led him into the back of the van, he said,
30:40well, they haven't found half of them.
30:41And he was a dangerous, deranged psychopath.
30:49He was best described, I think, as a marauding serial killer, an opportunist.
30:55He would drive up and down the highway.
30:57And if people were hitchhiking, he would then strike.
31:01I'm Tim Watson Munro.
31:04I'm a criminal psychologist with 47 years' experience.
31:08I was involved in assessing the crimes of Ivan Malat,
31:12Australia's worst serial killer.
31:14I think he always had murder on his mind.
31:16He would be waiting for the opportunity.
31:20Well, hitchhiking was, and to a limited extent still is,
31:23part of the fabric of this community.
31:26It's how you got around.
31:28There's no public transport.
31:30A lot of people didn't have the money, couldn't afford a car to get around.
31:35So they hitchhiked, they were always bludging lifts off friends,
31:39or they're walking home from the pub.
31:41They're walking home from the pub because there's no taxi,
31:44there's no bus, there's no train.
31:46But we do know that when people used to hitchhike,
31:53when we used to believe in the 70s and 80s that, you know, this was a safer activity,
31:57that often that can lead police to go,
31:59oh, well, they're just, you know, they're moving around, they could be anywhere.
32:02So there's almost a dismissal of some of those individuals.
32:06I think this is symptomatic of the time, victim blaming.
32:12Police and the community, some in the community saying,
32:15oh, well, they shouldn't have been hitchhiking.
32:16They're walking home from the pub drunk.
32:18They're on a remote local road.
32:21So they were asking for it.
32:23That's an appalling attitude today.
32:26Some people in the 70s and 80s would have had that.
32:29But it's utterly unacceptable.
32:31Ultimately, we have to remember that hitchhiking makes you incredibly vulnerable.
32:38You are literally asking a stranger to stop and you get into their car.
32:43So for a predator, that is the ultimate play field, isn't it?
32:47You know, you can literally stop and they're at your mercy.
32:51Malat operated as a road gang member and wherever he worked, people tended to disappear.
33:05I've looked very closely at Ivan Malat, not only for the crimes that we know that he committed,
33:10but also those that we suspect he may have had an involvement in.
33:16And we do know that Ivan Malat was familiar with the Newcastle area.
33:21He did drive up and down that highway, definitely within what I would class as a Malat comfort zone.
33:29In the 2002 coronial inquest, Ivan Malat was named as a suspect of Leanne, Amanda and Robin homicides.
33:40Police weren't taking any chances with one of the state's most dangerous criminals.
33:44Malat escorted to the inquest under heavy guard.
33:47The entire court complex was locked down.
33:50Only a handful of lawyers, media and family allowed inside.
33:54Malat has been named as one of the main suspects in the murders of Leanne Goodall,
33:59Robin Hickey and schoolgirl Amanda Robinson.
34:02Well, Ivan Malat was in the coronal inquiry where my family and the Robinson family and
34:10the Hickey family all sat in a room with, well, the .
34:16They all sat in a room and he gave you chills.
34:20You could just see the coldness in him, but yes, it wasn't a good feeling.
34:24It was scary to think that, you know, that your sister's murderer could have been just there.
34:30And that's scary.
34:32And I thought, oh my God, it's horrific to think that he got hurt.
34:41Well, Ivan Malat could have been a suspect, mainly because, you know,
34:45he'd murdered other people and, you know, picked up other hitchhikers.
34:49He worked in the area at the time, but I don't really know.
34:57In front of the families of the deceased, Ivan Malat made cruel and unwanted comments
35:03suggesting that they had been negligent in terms of not reporting the disappearance
35:08in a quick period of time and, more generically, that they should have been more vigilant to
35:12the whereabouts of their children, allowing them to be out and about unsupervised at that age.
35:24Those comments, I think, give you a window into the mind and thinking of a psychopath
35:31and a serial killer, and he is acknowledged as Australia's worst serial killer.
35:37There's no empathy, no remorse, no caring for the survivors of the deceased.
35:43It's all about, I think, power adding to their distress by tormenting them.
35:51And this tends to be one of the themes with serial killers.
35:58Ivan Malat never admitted any guilt to the seven murders he was convicted of
36:02and went to the grave still saying he didn't commit the terrible killings.
36:07So, sadly, it was unlikely that he was ever going to shed any light on the disappearance of Leanne Goodall,
36:14Robin Hickey and Amanda Robinson.
36:17And he said he didn't do it.
36:22But, you know, you can't believe a psychopath.
36:28How many other crazy people are there out in the world?
36:30You know, how many other psychopaths?
36:31How many copycat killers?
36:34Who knows?
36:35Like, it might have been Ivan Malat, but might not have to.
36:38I believe that Malat was responsible for some of those disappearances,
36:46and ultimately that those young women are deceased.
36:49But whether we will ever be sure, I don't know.
37:08What's tragic is not only the crimes and the injustice of what happened to these young women,
37:14but the impact it's had on their families and the broader community.
37:18It just trickles down through scores and possibly hundreds of people,
37:22if you really add it all up.
37:24So, in reaching out to the families, I saw that they were still grieving.
37:28They were still absolutely ruined by these tragedies, by these murders,
37:33by these disappearances.
37:35And they felt it every day.
37:37And they were pleased that someone cared.
37:40Another person was taking up the issue, was going to raise it in parliament,
37:45because they never give up.
37:47And that's the key thing.
37:48We can never give up on these women.
37:53I ask the government, I ask anyone to say it's not the case.
37:56The worst serial killer in the nation's history has gotten away with it.
38:01Ivan Malat was convicted of seven murders.
38:04There is someone on the north coast that has murdered as many or more,
38:09and they are still amongst us if they haven't died or fled the country.
38:14The worst crime in our state's history is unresolved.
38:19I've worked with families of victims of crime for many years now.
38:24And personally, I never give up hope looking for answers.
38:27What struck me through my experience with those families is that the pain is as raw to them today
38:33as it was when it happened.
38:35It never goes away.
38:38For these families, it's 30 to 40 years of pain, suffering, anguish,
38:43not knowing what happened to these girls.
38:48With Leanne, like, there was no funeral, you know,
38:50but it is hard, because you've got nowhere to go and have a chat to them,
38:53or take flowers or anything like that.
38:56It's just, it's like a no-man's land.
39:04In our situation, you always hope.
39:09But experience teaches you that after a certain amount of time,
39:13and you're bound to be disappointed again.
39:15There's no such thing as closure in this world.
39:17Jim Hickey spent a lifetime searching for answers about his girl, Robin Hickey.
39:26And one of the things he said to me is,
39:28well, if we're going to get answers, they have to come soon,
39:31because I'm not going to last forever.
39:35And that has stayed with me, because only a couple of years later,
39:39Jim died. And he went to his grave not knowing what happened to Robin.
39:54The whole family is broken about Leanne.
39:57It takes a toll, especially on my mum.
40:01I mean, having kids myself, I couldn't stand the thought of, you know,
40:04like, losing a child like that, you know, and not knowing where they were.
40:09Mum died in 2012, um, heartbroken.
40:16So, yeah, it's very hard.
40:22Mum and Dad, it's like salt of the earth people, um, they had a very tough life.
40:27Mum, she loved her four children.
40:31And on her deathbed in Bankstown Hospital,
40:39she said to me, she said to Gary, don't give up.
40:49And I said, Mum, I won't.
41:05We won't.
41:05It is incumbent on us to stop sticking our head in the sand when it comes to this issue.
41:23It is appalling.
41:25It is difficult.
41:27But these women, these communities absolutely demand it.
41:33They are demanding that we do something about it now.
41:38And we know, we know, when it comes to these matters,
41:43it's difficult and there is resistance.
41:45It's going to cost money.
41:47It's going to be, it's going to mean resources.
41:49But so what?
41:50There is someone either still active, who knows, murdering people.
41:55There is someone sitting in a retirement home, getting away literally with murder.
42:01That stops today.
42:02I'll never give up until we get the resources put into this matter.
42:06Those individuals could still be alive.
42:12I always think about the serial predators living in the suburbs,
42:15because ultimately it is the unexpected.
42:18It is the person who looks innocent, who you walk past every day and say hi to,
42:23who's, you know, shopping in the same place as you.
42:26They're not monsters.
42:27They don't stand out.
42:29So those individuals could still be alive,
42:31which means they could still be brought to justice.
42:36To be continued...
43:02To be continued...
43:06And support information for the issues raised can be found online at channel4.com slash supports.
43:18And could there finally be a breakthrough?
43:20A new lead and advanced DNA technology give a glimmer of hope to the families desperate for answers
43:25as Murders in Paradise, the Barren Bay Killings continues next.
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