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00:00I could just see these two faint figures in the alleyway.
00:16Didn't get a reply at all.
00:23A lady on the other end of the phone said,
00:25I've got your daughter's phone.
00:27And I said, oh, where's she left it?
00:30And she said, no, no, she's been stabbed.
00:34He'd used all the techniques we'd taught main cadets
00:38to follow Holly round Hexham.
00:46He didn't just stab Holly once.
00:50He stabbed her 36 times.
00:52Have you been too hard with him?
00:54No.
00:56I knew straight away who'd done it
00:58because it wouldn't have been anyone else.
01:01Right, you're under arrest on suspicion of an assault.
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01:48Holly was my first born.
01:49I had Holly when I was 18.
01:51So yeah, she made me a mom and I felt like we kind of grew up together.
02:08Holly Newton lived in a busy family home in Northumberland with a brother, two sisters,
02:14her mom and stepdad.
02:17If she didn't have her phone in her hand, she was asleep.
02:22She was always on Facebook or uploading pictures on Instagram and TikTok.
02:29She always wanted to make TikToks with us at school.
02:33And I'm not like big into dancing and making TikToks and stuff.
02:37But she always like managed to get me to do it.
02:41Just any dance that she could find, she would do.
02:51As well as dancing at school, Holly's weekends were full of dance competitions, sleepovers
02:56and cadet camps, which is where she first met a boy called Logan McPhail.
03:02They didn't go to the same school, but I knew they were in touch via social media.
03:07Yeah, the same as any of her other friends though.
03:11WhatsApp, Snapchat, Facebook even.
03:19They were friends to start with and then actually like calling themselves girlfriend and boyfriend.
03:24And I thought, oh, that's really nice.
03:35So at first it was very much Holly and Logan.
03:38Everything was Holly and Logan.
03:41We kind of took them under our wing and we took them to Centre Park.
03:44We took them canoeing, we took them paddle boarding.
03:47We did all sorts, to be honest.
03:50We'd make pancakes together.
03:51They would play games.
03:54And he spent a lot of time with Holly's brother as well.
03:57You know, they would Xbox together.
04:00They would, you know, do a lot together as well.
04:03Logan communicated through voice notes because he couldn't read or write really well at all.
04:17It is a bit hard to understand them at first, but once you've been around them a while,
04:22you do learn to understand them.
04:27I would do anything for you.
04:29And you know I would.
04:33Logan spent most weekends at Holly's family home.
04:37Although it was clear from the start that they were different personalities.
04:41She was just a happy-go-lucky kind of girl.
04:45Holly had lots of friends.
04:46Logan didn't have any friends.
04:48He was just very, like, introvert and kept to himself and stuff.
04:53And before we met him, she did say that he might be a bit quiet and not want to speak much.
05:04When Logan first joined Cadets, his sister made us aware that he had learning difficulties.
05:15But when I met him, I thought, he's a nice lad.
05:20He was polite.
05:22He was nice and quiet.
05:23So she did at times become a little bit frustrated with him, but all she wanted to do was help him.
05:32After over a year of what Holly's mum and stepdad were thinking was a normal, happy teenage relationship,
05:39Holly started to hint that it was coming to an end.
05:42Holly started a new school and she wanted to spend time with different people.
05:51And she didn't feel like she could do that with Logan.
05:57Holly thought that by staying with Logan that she could change him and help him and maybe one day that he'd have friends.
06:11But I think eventually she started to realise that that wasn't going to happen.
06:16She felt like she had to focus on Logan rather than having a life of her own.
06:24No.
06:29Are you done with me, Holly?
06:33How are you not done with me to be done with you?
06:38I'm not done with you.
06:43I wanna stay with you and stuff.
06:45But like, I'm not gonna tell you as much stuff as I did.
06:48I did. She didn't want to hurt Logan anymore because she knew that she was the only one
06:56that he actually had but eventually started being a bit strange. Me and Holly had planned
07:07that she was going to sleep at mine one night. He ended up having a tantrum and locking himself
07:11in the bathroom and bawling his eyes out and he wouldn't let anyone in and I was having
07:17to talk sometimes into him, like begging him that he could always just meet up with Holly
07:24another time but he just wasn't having any of it.
07:39We could see a change in our behaviour but again we didn't know what was going on. We
07:48couldn't decide whether it was school, the relationship or what it was. They were together, then they
07:55weren't together, then they were back together and that was frustrating for us. This is what
08:01kids do and we'd even said to Holly a couple of times that you need to make your mind up,
08:12that you need to decide what you're going to do. With teenagers in general, if you tell
08:19them what to do, they'll ignore you. Eventually in early January, Holly had decided she wanted
08:30to end things with Logan once and for all. But Logan didn't take it well.
08:36He just would non-stop message her. He didn't want to be left alone, begging, saying I'm sorry,
08:51I'm sorry, please can we try again? And Holly just wanted him to leave her alone.
08:56If you couldn't get in touch with her, then it was constantly ringing her, you know, a lot. It wasn't just a couple of times. We're talking, you know, up to 50 times a day.
09:10He'd messaged me trying to get in touch with her. He'd beg me to speak to her and get me to try to talk some sense into her. That's what he said.
09:24Because he was obviously really upset.
09:29One night sticks out for me. Me and Michaela were sitting in the living room watching a film and Holly came down upset.
09:43And we said to her, what's the matter? And she said, he's changed all our passwords on social media.
09:50I said, right, I'll sort this out.
09:55We knew he was being controlling and his mother agreed that he'd become obsessed with Holly.
10:14It's extremely difficult for parents to get involved in the relationship that their children have.
10:26They don't always know what's happening. Quite often, the person who doesn't want it to end will take other measures.
10:34It's a very, very dangerous time.
10:38And she just felt really violated.
10:40Logan definitely did it because he wanted control.
10:42Because he knew at that point that all the control that he had was slipping away from him.
10:47Holly's friends had actually told Holly that they didn't think her relationship was normal.
10:52They felt it was toxic.
10:54Or are we seeing what's quite normal and appropriate? Or is it the result of something more sinister like coercive behaviour?
11:03When we think about the digital world, it's very good at hiding some of these red flags.
11:07It's not until actually five days before she's murdered that she did say to us,
11:21I'm really struggling to get out of this relationship.
11:26You know, you just can't leave me alone.
11:29You know, you can't leave me alone.
11:5715-year-old Holly Newton from Northumberland is in a relationship with Logan McPhail,
12:02a lad she met at Cadet's.
12:04He's her first boyfriend.
12:06They were like best friends, to be honest. They did everything together.
12:10They went out for food together.
12:12They were always out shopping at the Metro Centre.
12:15It was just, you know, typical teenage things that teenagers would do.
12:19But it wasn't until Holly took Logan into her social circle and I think that didn't work.
12:26And we just said, like, it's not normal.
12:29He seems to be very controlling, very unusual around you.
12:35And he obviously wasn't happy that she was with her friends.
12:40Logan was never happy to be with somebody else.
12:43He wanted it just to be him and her.
12:45But after over a year of being together, Holly realised that Logan's obsession with her was getting out of control.
13:00To try and make a clean break, she blocked him from all her social media accounts.
13:11Towards the end of the relationship, she was very anxious. Her confidence definitely dropped.
13:18I knew that the only way that she was going to get a chance to get out of it was by blocking him and just stopping all contact completely.
13:30When Holly had cut off all communication with Logan, she was like a different child. She was so much happier.
13:36I want to do the old version. I'm talking back.
13:40That last week of Holly's life, she was so happy.
13:46And I feel now it was because she didn't have anybody to answer to.
13:50We felt like we had Holly back to ourselves.
13:56She felt free. Her confidence went straight back up.
14:00And she was happy again. She was dancing.
14:03And she was speaking to another boy on Snapchat that she definitely got along with really well.
14:10And she was just happy again. Like, she knew she was free from it.
14:14But for Logan, being dumped and then being blocked provoked a different reaction.
14:25Intuitively, you block somebody who is being abusive in a relationship.
14:30But the irony is that you actually might create a larger danger.
14:34Because if that person can't contact you by social media, they may decide to target you physically.
14:41Turning up at your house, at your school, at your place of work.
14:47Logan would have felt disrespected.
14:49He would have felt personally affronted.
14:52The fact that he wanted the relationship to continue and Holly didn't
14:56would have added fuel to that fire.
14:58Holly was everything to him. And this is why he became obsessed with her.
15:02He made a fake account on TikTok to try to message her as well.
15:08And just to see what was going on. And he just didn't give up.
15:14He did anything possible to get in touch through social media.
15:24He didn't even have one other friend. He had no friends.
15:27His family life wasn't great. He had Holly and he knew he was losing her.
15:31But obviously, that's not Holly's fault.
15:38For Logan to see Holly, he would have to get one bus from Berdley into Newcastle.
15:45And then another across to Hexham.
15:50And onto Holtwistle where Holly lived.
15:55A two-hour journey the family hoped would mean they'd seen the last of him.
16:00But it was not to be.
16:03I was with Holly at the dance academy where she was practising.
16:16And Michaela had had a phone call from Logan's mum saying,
16:21Have you seen him?
16:27I said, no, he's not here. Holly's at dance.
16:30And she said, when Holly comes home, can you just ask that?
16:33You know, if she's heard from him.
16:36And I said, I will. I'll ask her as soon as she gets in.
16:40That evening, Logan was on a bus heading towards Holtwistle.
16:47But nobody knew exactly where he was or what he was planning.
16:56En route, Logan eventually called his mum,
16:59spinning her a tale that he was actually round the corner from home.
17:03He was sending me voice notes and I could hear that he was outside.
17:09I said, are you at a parking gate said?
17:13And he would answer me. I said, are you at a parking Holtwistle?
17:16And he completely dodged that question.
17:19Like, he just would not answer me at all.
17:21I asked him multiple times.
17:24But Logan's lie had worked.
17:26Holly's family felt safe thinking he wasn't nearby.
17:39So, for the rest of the night, it was just a normal night.
17:48Up to bed about half ten, eleven o'clock.
17:51And Michaela was woken up by a phone call.
17:57Logan's mum had discovered the truth.
17:59His obsession with Holly had left him stranded in the middle of the night,
18:03forty miles away from home.
18:07Logan's mother was very, very upset.
18:10She'd said that Logan was in Holtwistle Park
18:13and I needed to send Holly up to go and get him from the park.
18:20And, of course, I said, absolutely not.
18:21It's midnight. It's January.
18:23You know, I'm not going to send my fifteen-year-old daughter
18:26up to the park to get Logan.
18:33She said, well, if I can get him to come round to your house,
18:36can you take him in for the night?
18:38And I said, no, absolutely not.
18:39He's not my responsibility.
18:44I messaged Holly and I said, are you asleep?
18:47And she messaged back and she said, no,
18:49but I know that Logan's in Holtwistle.
18:55Despite blocking Logan from contacting Holly on socials,
18:58he was still in touch with her brother.
19:07He'd been messaging Holly's brother,
19:10asking him to open his window so he could climb in.
19:14Luckily, our son's had the sense to go, no,
19:17just get yourself away home.
19:26I started checking the cameras,
19:27obviously the door camera and everything,
19:29because it was not a very nice feeling
19:32thinking that somebody might be watching the house
19:34and not knowing how long somebody's been watching your house for.
19:44It was one o'clock in the morning.
19:45Police found him not very far from Holly's home.
19:48They picked him up and they took him back to his home.
19:51There's numerous red flags.
19:54The first is he bombarded Holly with messages and communications.
20:03There's a real sense of a constant desire to get in contact with her.
20:07And he wasn't able to take no for an answer when she didn't respond.
20:10He also hacked into her social media accounts.
20:16But also what's incredibly worrying is on a school night,
20:19he travelled 30 miles to gain access to her house.
20:26So all of this really highlights that he was not only persistent,
20:29but really intent, we can even say obsessional,
20:33in trying to make contact with Holly.
20:35MUSIC PLAYS
20:56Logan wasn't mentioned that morning.
20:58I had it in the back of my mind.
21:00I knew Lee was thinking about it,
21:02but I never, you know, I never mentioned that to Holly.
21:08And everyone went to school as normal.
21:19Holly didn't speak of it much
21:21because I don't think she wanted people to know how scared she was.
21:25She felt like there was a possibility that she could be in danger.
21:31She didn't want to believe it, though,
21:33because she didn't want to believe that anyone could do something that bad.
21:37While Michaela was trying not to alarm Holly,
21:40she made sure to stay in touch with her throughout the day.
21:43Oh, what time are you going to be back tonight?
21:47Like...
21:49I think I knew the right thing to do was to phone the police,
21:52because she was obviously concerned about his behaviour.
21:58She knew that he was obsessed with her.
22:01Erm...
22:02But I knew she was safe in school.
22:06Erm...
22:07And, again, we didn't think for one second though it would end up how it did,
22:11because obviously I would never have let her go out of that house.
22:18If police are worried about the safety of a young person,
22:21they will send round a family liaison officer
22:24who will then liaise with the family
22:26and also other interested parties,
22:28it could be school, health, anything,
22:30to make sure that that person stays safe,
22:33that that young person is protected.
22:36Straight away they said they would...
22:38they would come out at four o'clock that afternoon.
22:41There's some real opportunities for the police to intervene
22:43and have an impact on any future behaviour.
22:46So then I messaged her again and I said,
22:48look, you're going to have to come straight home from school.
22:51Erm...
22:52The police are coming out at four o'clock.
22:54A bit later on Holly had messaged saying that
22:56one of our friends had had a message from Logan
23:00to say that he was going to follow her around after school.
23:02Yeah, Logan was messaging me saying that
23:06he was going to come in to Huxlem after school
23:09and he was going to wait for us outside school.
23:12Erm...
23:14Also I told Holly straight away.
23:17We were both a bit like,
23:19he's not going to come all the way here.
23:26Holly's mum immediately contacted the school
23:29who increased security on site.
23:31One of the teachers was going to like,
23:33walk us out of schools in case like he is there.
23:38But after school was a different problem.
23:40And Holly didn't want to come straight home.
23:43She just really wanted to go out that day and she was begging me to go out with her.
23:52Because she said that she was going out to meet this boy after school.
23:56Holly wanted to try and see what it was like with other people,
24:00see if it'd be the same as it was with Logan.
24:04Because I was telling her it's not the same at all.
24:07You don't have to have that caregiver role that you do with Logan.
24:12Holly was adamant that Logan ruined everything for her.
24:15She was supposed to be going out with two friends in Hexham.
24:19And she, again, she was being controlled by Logan.
24:24That's how Holly felt.
24:25And to be honest, as a mother,
24:28I did feel a little bit tough for her.
24:32I thought she's so young and she's got herself in such a controlling relationship
24:35that she's just desperate for this little bit of freedom.
24:38The reason Michaela agreed to Holly's request
24:41was knowing that Logan was messaging everyone saying he was in Newcastle,
24:45a 90-minute bus journey away.
24:53So, you know, I said to her, I said, OK, so I changed the appointment.
24:58They were coming out at 8 o'clock instead.
25:01Because at this point of the day,
25:03he wouldn't have had time to get from Newcastle to Holtwistle
25:06for Holly finishing school.
25:08So we're sitting thinking, yeah, everything's going to be all right.
25:36All over his socials,
25:41Logan McPhail is telling Holly's friends and family
25:44that he's 30 miles away on a bus heading into Newcastle.
25:56But that's a lie.
25:57He's taken another bus to Hexham
26:00so he can confront Holly after school.
26:10Logan is saying that he's in Newcastle.
26:14He's sending messages to Holly's family.
26:18Very, very premeditated.
26:20It was very, very clear what was in his mind.
26:22He was going to stalk Holly.
26:24We were a bit more cautious that day,
26:26and we were just looking everywhere we went to see who was there.
26:30We didn't really have any set plans.
26:32We just knew that we were going to go around Hexham,
26:34maybe go to the shops.
26:36The boy that she was with was going to walk over
26:38at the train station so that she could go back home.
26:40And we had no clue this whole time that Logan was actually following us.
27:02While Logan is using social media to send false posts about his whereabouts,
27:06he's using the same apps to track Holly's location.
27:15When she blocked him on everything,
27:17he was very clever in thinking,
27:19OK, I can't see Holly's location anymore,
27:21but I know exactly who she'll be with and I can see theirs.
27:24So what I'll do is I'll follow theirs instead.
27:26And then, you know, it's very, very likely that Holly is also going to be there.
27:31Using a phone to follow people and sort of trying to avoid detection,
27:38I think that's danger written all over it.
27:44We walked through Hexham,
27:46and we walked down this hill that leads down next to Wentworth Cafe.
27:50And then we went and sat in the Wentworth Leisure Centre for a bit.
27:54We followed them for, without any of them known,
28:03for 45 minutes around Hexham Town Centre.
28:07There's an element in Cadets called Fieldcraft
28:18where it's hiding yourself from the enemy in the field.
28:23So you're taught how to follow the enemy, essentially.
28:28Army Cadets is where Holly first met Logan.
28:34The skills they learned together as friends
28:37became a technique he was now using against her,
28:41staying around 30 seconds behind her.
28:49We thought Logan was still in Newcastle at this point,
28:53and we just didn't have any suspicions
28:55that he was actually right behind us the whole time.
29:00They then headed over to Tesco.
29:02He's hiding in trolley bars.
29:04He's hiding behind cars.
29:12He's keeping himself to the side so Holly wouldn't see him
29:16if she hadn't turned around and looked back.
29:26He told his mum he was in Newcastle.
29:27He told his friends he was in Newcastle.
29:29He was trying to create a false alibi,
29:32as if he knew that he was going to do something very bad.
29:36He waits for them to come back out of Tesco
29:39and then he follows them back up to Hexham
29:41where Holly then leaves one of our friends with our sister.
29:46When I left on that day, I just thought that this is going to be good for her.
29:55She seemed really happy.
29:56They're going to go get us some food and then she's going to go home.
29:59That was what the plan was anyway.
30:02And then she continues with the male friend to the pizza shop.
30:09He's hid it in the doorway of her old shop further up the road
30:14and he's waited until Holly's friend's gone in the pizza shop
30:17while she was stood outside at the bus stop to approach her.
30:23So you can see her, she's very frustrated.
30:25She just wants to leave him alone.
30:27But, you know, he's adamant he just needs to speak to her alone.
30:36She's not happy about the situation at all.
30:42Logan's trying to persuade her to go down the alleyway next to the pizza shop.
30:49The last phone call I got from Holly was when she was standing outside the pizza shop
30:59and she'd rang me to double-check what time she needed to be home.
31:02And that was the last conversation I had with her.
31:08Logan's then got her into the alleyway where the attacks happened.
31:13After I left them I got picked up by my mum and then we went past Pizza Pizza and I could just see these two faint figures of what looked like Holly and someone else in the alleyway.
31:30I started messaging straight away being like Holly, was that Logan? What's he doing there? Are you all right? Are you all right? Are you all right?
31:36You're all right?
31:41Didn't get a reply at all.
31:45In the alley, Logan stabbed Holly with a three-inch kitchen knife he'd brought with him.
31:51He didn't just stab Holly once. That would have been bad enough. He stabbed her 36 times.
32:06He had every intention of brutally murdering Holly.
32:13Holly was stabbed in the back of her head.
32:16Her neck and chest.
32:23The intensity of the attack meant the knife broke in two.
32:29Yeah, so the members of the public would have seen the attack.
32:31They sort of rushed in, no thought to their own safety.
32:35One of Holly's friends was stabbed, trying to save her.
32:38Passersby detained Logan and the ambulance arrived about ten minutes later to tend to Holly.
32:51We'd gone to drop one of Holly's siblings off at my mam's house when I received a phone call.
32:58The lady on the other end of the phone said, erm, I've got your daughter's phone.
33:03And I said, erm, oh, where's she left it?
33:05I said, she'll be lost without it, I'll come and get it.
33:08And she said, no, no, she's been stabbed.
33:11I just put my foot to the floor and got there as quick as I can.
33:16As we pulled up, I just put the brake on and jumped out.
33:19And as I went down the alleyway seeing the crews working on Holly.
33:28Lee jumped out straight away and I sat there for a minute.
33:32I didn't really know what to do.
33:34The only other thing I remember is Lee coming, running out of the alley,
33:36and he said, whatever happens, you don't go down there.
33:39And I didn't.
33:41When I seen Holly, it was sheer disbelief.
33:45And dread.
33:46Coming out the alleyway, it was just something.
33:59I knew if Michaela seen it, she wouldn't be able to cope.
34:05Because once it goes in your eyes, it never comes out.
34:17Oli is fighting for her life.
34:23The friend she was having pizza with also got injured trying to help her.
34:27Are you got anything in your pockets?
34:36My phone.
34:42What's your name?
34:44Logan McPhil.
34:45Logan?
34:46Logan Shane McPhil.
34:49Who's the last?
34:50Logan.
34:51Logan.
34:52Do you know my name?
34:53Holly.
34:54Who?
34:55Holly.
34:56Muthin.
34:57Where's your from?
34:58Holly.
35:00When Logan was arrested, he started to say that Holly had been mean to him.
35:07the knife that logan had carried he said had been meant to be used on him not on holly
35:23but his mind went blank and he went too far i knew straight away who'd done it because
35:30it wouldn't have been anyone else i then rang logan's mother and i just remember screaming
35:39down the phone to her what what you'd done um and i don't really remember what she said to me at all
35:47to be honest the next thing i remember is lee banging on the back of the police van
35:57and i'd said to lee that that's logan in there and lee had said i'll kill him
36:0315 year old holly newton had been stalked on social media
36:27by her monster of an ex-boyfriend logan mcphail
36:33looted her into an alley stabbed her and the friend she'd been having pizza with
36:39i was sitting in my bed still messaging and holly and the boy that she was with saying is everything
36:53all right what's happened and it must have been about 10 minutes maybe 20 after that that
37:00i got a message off the boat that showed her saying um i can't talk we've been stabbed
37:10both were rushed to newcastle's royal victoria infirmary
37:14but holly newton died before her mum and stepdad were able to see her
37:21when your child dies of course you want to touch them you want to hold their hand you want to
37:25kiss them you want to cuddle them but i was basically told that i would be arrested if i
37:29touched her because at that point you've lost your daughter she's not holly anymore she's evidence
37:34she's police evidence
37:37and it must have been about one or two in the morning
37:41i remember mum saying i'm sorry but she didn't make it and that's kind of like
37:49what's played through my head quite a bit i literally just broke down into arms
37:58holly's friend survived the attack her ex-boyfriend 16 year old logan mcphail was arrested at the scene
38:09right you're under arrest on suspicion of an assault you do not have to say anything
38:13with me how many defense you do not mention my question something that you later rely on
38:18body cam footage shows that just minutes after inflicting the stab wounds mcphail appears calm
38:27the moment someone's arrested can be incredibly telling it gives us an insight into their mindset
38:33an insight into their emotional connection but also an insight into the relationship of what they've done
38:39or may not have done i mean logan's explanation that the the knife was there to for himself if
38:53you've got a knife if you're say if you're setting yourself with alibis about being in newcastle
38:59opposed to being in the scene and i think people would have seen through that
39:02mcphail's lawyers wouldn't be able to deny that he had committed a crime in that alleyway
39:13but what category of crime it was could be contested along with whether he was fit and able to stand
39:19trial murder carries a greater sentence and can be life imprisonment but for murder you have to prove
39:26intent you have to prove that he premeditated it and he intended to kill holly we know that as a minor
39:34logan was the subject of a child protection plan which means he was deemed at risk he had been
39:39assessed as being on the autistic spectrum he had a lower iq special measures that had to be put into
39:45place for logan and it's really hard to sit there and you know watch people pander around him when he's
39:52literally murdered a child there's a legal system there's legal procedures which are there quite
40:00rightly to protect people even though a life has been lost while the lawyers were arguing over the
40:07technicalities of the law mikhaila and lee were burying their daughter they tried to say logan wasn't
40:15competent enough to stand trial it was frustrating we had to wait for
40:26a year and a half nearly for him to be found that he was fit enough to stand trial we felt like we
40:34couldn't grieve for holly until we would got some sort of justice for us so it was a long time
40:38not to grieve properly for our child on the eve of the trial mikhaila and lee were called in by
40:55police to go through all the evidence that had been accumulated so that they knew what to expect
41:00that day was probably the second hardest day of our lives watching holly on cctv um and some of the
41:11stuff he was saying was soul destroying i think his plan was to if if i can paint holly in such an awful
41:21picture then people will feel sorry for me i'm also going to use the excuse that i blacked out i'm going
41:27to use my mental health as well um and then hopefully i'll either get totally off with it or i'll
41:34get a very very low sentence by 25th of august all the evidence had been heard and the jury began their
41:46deliberation in my head it was a clear conversion but you always have
41:56that doubt there as well so those four days of of sitting waiting for them to come back it's
42:08you're constantly running through everything in your head and praying to get the right decision
42:13juries are influenced by barristers they're influenced by people who will say that this person
42:20had challenges around their well-being their about their mental health
42:25so all of those factors do influence juries
42:31it was such a relief when the jury came back and said that he was guilty
42:38the judge decided when he was sentencing that logan's learning disabilities and his autism were not severe
42:46enough to actually influence the sentencing however the judge couldn't be certain that logan had premeditated
42:55taking the knife and actually taking holly's life on that day despite logan having a knife and
43:01traveling there and and giving himself alibis he wasn't satisfied that that was sufficient for
43:07premeditation as part of the murder rather than giving a full lifetime the judge sentenced logan to a
43:15minimum of 17 years in prison i don't personally think that that was long enough but i think you
43:23know he could have given the minimum term of 60 years and for me that wouldn't have been long enough
43:27he could be out when he's in his early 30s he can start a family and he can basically get on with
43:33his life all the things that holly now hasn't got the opportunity to do
43:36i would do anything for you and you know i would one of the tragedies of holly's life being cut so
43:46short was that but for a loophole in the law police might have been able to prevent the attack
43:52if holly and logan had both been over 16 when logan was found in the park near holly's house
44:00at one o'clock in the morning this would have been categorized as domestic violence
44:04he could have been arrested she could have been offered a different type of support that was all
44:10missed because she was 15. the mechanism that logan was dealt with would have been completely different
44:27i'm not going to tell you as much stuff as i did
44:29holly might still be here if she'd known much earlier the signs of domestic abuse and she could
44:38have got out of that relationship much earlier and safely
44:44we're just ending endlessly campaigning for that law
44:47to to change and for holly's law to come into place and to protect under 16s and relationships
44:59and encourage your kids to talk to you about anything whether it's good or bad always encourage
45:19your kids to talk here and listen to them without judging or anything and just
45:25do your best to help them as you as you will
45:33i remember seeing to lee and thinking to myself as well the kids have lost their sister i'm not
45:39going to let them lose their mom as well as a mother you do that
45:46i just remember holly is always smiling like always always smiling dancing singing
45:55she was such a bubbly person and i just thought like that's someone i want to be friends with
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