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00:00as a journalist you are consumed by two questions constantly how to tell a story
00:14but that's more crucially why to tell a story imagine a country nice weather
00:22let's give a nice one nice weather for England anyway imagine the people in this
00:28country believe they are living in a democracy believe in their own freedom but they are being
00:34abused by a power so every day they don't know to look for it a treacherous combination of press
00:41the police and politicians that hide in plain sight imagine a country where that concealment
00:48was imagine a country where where the news organizations my name is Mick Davis I'm a journalist
01:04and this is a story that ends in seven major police investigations nearly 40 convictions
01:10and some of the most powerful people in this country being brought to their knees
01:14my name is Mick Davis I'm a journalist morning I'll just check you this all started with Stuart
01:29Cutner hello this is the most troubling story I've ever written a story about the abuse of power
01:43and the concealment of truth hi hi Nick Davis for the today program I'm late
01:49British journalism is sloppy and morally bankrupt that is the claim of the journalist Nick Davies who's
02:03written a book that shows how often newspapers use illegal messes for getting their stories
02:08it's called Flat Earth News and Nick Davis joins us now good morning hi you say sloppy because newspapers
02:16use press releases rather than getting their own stories and morally bankrupt because of the
02:21illegality involved really the route that binds together all the different themes is that the logic of
02:27journalism has been overwhelmed by the logic of commercialism journalists no longer have the
02:32time or the resources to do their jobs properly instead they're just passive processes of unchecked
02:37second-hand material okay but you also you go much further in suggesting that there has been
02:41criminality involved and that's generally accepted within the press okay so principally that involves
02:48hiring private investigators they hire private investigators to get your bank statements your
02:53credit card statements your itemized phone bills your tax record even your health records these
02:57creatures are getting all of that is illegal okay we're joined by John Mullen who is the editor of
03:02The Independent on Sunday and Stuart Cutner who's managing editor of News of the World
03:06John Mullen do you recognize this well I ploughed my way through the first half of the book not the
03:13second half so far and no one can deny that life in journalism is much harder than maybe it was 20
03:2030 years ago but to say that journalism as a whole as a passive processor of news I think that's
03:27erroneous Stuart Cutner yes I'll tell you what I think I think frankly listening to Nick Davis I thought he
03:35was speaking from a newsroom on another planet it is totally unrecognizable to me many years in
03:41newspapers in Fleet Street now of course at the news of the world but what did he say that was so wrong
03:47well he talks about if you like shortcuts PR interests commercial interest I have to tell you none of my
03:56news the world journalists would recognize that but what about the way these people get the stories and
04:02access to personal information well if it happens it it shouldn't happen it happened once at the news of
04:11the world the reporter was fired he went to prison the editor resigned and while Nick is talking about
04:16all this I notice he doesn't mention the Guardian's own act of criminality when the Guardian forged the
04:23signature of a cabinet okay I don't want to go to details of story I think the charge that Nick Davis may
04:29not want to go into detail but Nick makes a broad brush sweeping attack on our profession which I happen
04:35to believe is an honorable profession you hear it I wish I hadn't you're too kind I did say appearing on
04:58the today program to attack journalism wasn't exactly the most sensible idea listen before I go home I
05:03wanted to talk to you about something good thing was you weren't representing the Guardian you were
05:07talking about your book my book Kutner did have a good go at trying to besmirch us through you I want
05:14out do you know anything about baking competitions I want to know how many people cheated baking competitions
05:23a round number exactly the sort of thing the Guardian should be investigating I don't mean out
05:29all together I'd like to go to Brussels investigate a whole new horizon something well paid naturally that
05:34will allow me to commute the kids are old enough now to be able to I need you here Sadiq Khan bugged 40
05:43year convention breached and why keep the Americans happy needs a good journalist I'm knackered nobody likes me
05:51come on I like you some of the time and I'm sure there are a few others who all please self-pity is
06:00not a redeeming quality we'll talk tomorrow I'm freelance precisely so I don't need to talk to you
06:05tomorrow you're freelance with more or less a sole employer I say you should talk to me tomorrow
06:11hmm we've all been roasted by Stuart bloody Kutner bye
06:22let me explain Alan is um what we grew up together in journalism that is and he is always understood
06:30sorry yep Nick Davis who's this my name redacted sorry we'll call him mr. Apollo because um well actually
06:40because he is it doesn't matter how did you get this number listen Kutner made a mistake well I know
06:48it's several chief amongst them appearing on the today program he said it happened once it happened once it
06:54happened once the news of the world the reporter was fired he went to prison the editor resigned you're
07:01talking about phone hacking Nick your book only scratched the surface we have to meet face to
07:06somewhere absolutely discreet I think you'll like what I have where and when in the beginning it
07:14was next to nothing two men were arrested for hacking phones in 2006 a private investigator Glenn Mulcair
07:20the sentences they received were short the attention they got limited but the crime was unusual they had
07:30discovered they could access other people's voicemail messages and they spent months eavesdropping on three
07:37of Prince William's staff at Clarence house how they didn't say why for the discovery of private
07:45information it was the start of the next six years of my life
08:00to be clear I've never told anyone who mr. Apollo is so some guesses have been made bad guess
08:13no no sorry it's not you okay oh come on
08:31hi you're coming in or job
08:41wow this is nice nice choice of room just to check is the guardian paying because if so I'd implore
08:56you to stay away from that minibar Mulcair in the trial he said he'd hacked other five non-royals
09:02I remember yes um I'll McPherson Sky Andrew Max Clifford
09:08he's a liar Kuttner's a liar and one of the five is suing them
09:14which one
09:16well that five is just the tip of the iceberg
09:20hacking phones at the news of the world has been endemic
09:24endemic they pick up their leads by intercepting voicemails and only then do they get photographs
09:33and quotes so as to lay a false trail to pretend they found the story through legitimate means
09:37they've hacked thousands yeah dial a number someone who's likely to not answer
09:45this is Alan Rusbridger please leave that's your phone a friend the editor of the guardian
09:56press nine please enter your four digit pen now enter one two three four that's the factory setting
10:03welcome to your voicemail you have one new message Alan it's mummy I'm just calling about Jill Wyatt
10:12she won best sponge again and I'm sure she cheated
10:14I'm gonna hit this
10:15it's that easy
10:17doesn't even need a Glenn Mulcair most of the time
10:20and you're saying this was widespread
10:22Glenn's main job was that when it got tricky unlike with your Alan was to blag
10:27the mobile phone companies into resetting the celebrities pin codes to their original factory
10:32setting one two three four that's Alan please who is this hi yeah it's Nick listen change the
10:41voicemail settings on your phone and how do I do that ask a young person I've got to go bye
10:45who is suing the person who is is currently trying to get Scotland Yard to hand over evidence they
10:54collected and did nothing with when they arrested Mulcair it's evidence that could burn fuck and destroy
11:02everything twice over you won't tell me which one of the five it is with you I will tell you but
11:11you're missing two names Gordon Taylor and Simon Hughes will you go on the record if you dig it comes from
11:22you I can I can confirm things but
11:25it's just another story of journos beheaded badly you're not interested it's interesting you should talk to someone else do you realize I could lose my job just by talking to you don't worry this conversation never happened no no no that's not my point Nick you think think who edited the paper
11:45think about where he sits now
11:48you're talking about Andy Coulson
11:52stop him
11:55shh
11:58mind the gap
12:11stand clear of the doors please
12:13Andy Coulson a rapid ascent journalist from a local reporter to showbiz at the Sun he was made editor of news of the world in 2003 even after he resigned in 2007 over the original phone hacking case it was seen as honorable him carrying the can to the one rogue reporter not me really gov
12:32but if he would if he is if this is endemic he's David Cameron's communications director for him to be involved in widespread criminality
12:39for him to be involved in widespread criminality
12:46I'm not
12:53I'm not late it would be fine if you were to be a bit late you don't need to be so worried
13:02they're worried
13:03they're ready
13:04they're ready
13:05kids
13:06you okay
13:07kids
13:08ooh
13:09you're anxious to go then
13:10sorry how are you etc
13:12I'm fine etc you alright
13:14never better
13:15really
13:16I heard you on the radio
13:18mmm
13:19that sort of performance helps sales
13:20oh I would doubt it
13:21I'm um I am worried about
13:26I'm not going to reveal my child's name
13:29let's call him
13:30Beans
13:31he comes home locks himself in his room
13:34I have tried to talk to him but
13:36avoids all questions
13:37so
13:38do we bring the score then
13:42let's get the details and make sure he wants the help
13:45aww you sound like a journalist
13:47let me try
13:49okay
13:52let me try
13:55okay
14:10got a new recipe
14:11okay dad
14:12the stuffed tomato thing
14:13yeah no it's not good
14:14call you when it's ready it's Turkish
14:16yup
14:17so
14:18I met someone today
14:21a source
14:22he was pissed off with what Cutner said on the radio
14:25okay
14:26hacking was endemic he said at news of the world
14:29and someone is now suing Scotland Yard for information on what was hacked
14:33now no I know it's one of either
14:35Al McPherson
14:36Simon Hughes
14:37Gordon Taylor
14:38Sky Andrew or Max Clifford but I don't know which one
14:41what do you think
14:43do I dig
14:44trying to find out who it is
14:45if I find them
14:46it might
14:47we might get some evidence that proves foul play was a bit more widespread
14:50imagine what it does to Andy Coulson
14:52he's about to
14:53could soon have keys to 10 Downing Street
14:55did Cameron even do a fit and proper person test on him
14:57did he even look into Coulson's past
15:00that's a good angle
15:01but
15:02another tabloid's behaving badly story
15:04I said the same thing
15:06and who wants to kick a bee's nest
15:09Murdoch you know
15:11this
15:12sauce
15:13has he got under your skin
15:15no
15:16I just wanted to talk it out with someone
15:18you
15:20oh
15:21always grateful to be your sounding board
15:24go home Alan
15:26who says I'm in the office
15:28we'll always have Brussels
15:29bye
15:41it's creepy when you do that
15:44you stare at me like that
15:46how are you
15:48why are you asking
15:50if there ever is anything you need to discuss
15:52yes dad I know
15:54and where is the defence
15:55Martin is completely unmarked as he powers his way to United's goal
16:10I
16:15I
16:16never much liked school
16:17not being bullied
16:18I always saw school as a necessity
16:20why does everyone always think I'm being bullied
16:22not a virtue
16:23there was a guy
16:25who used to
16:26hit us
16:29another kid
16:31actually a teacher
16:33used to
16:35god he used to really scare me
16:36I never used to do well
16:38um
16:40well I never used to do well with fear
16:42but also the thing I remember most clearly
16:45rage
16:51I heard you on the radio
16:54listen to the today programme
16:56one makes us listen to or read everything you do
16:59you have an impressive dad
17:01and she says it like
17:03he may be a total dick
17:04but
17:05he's impressive
17:06all right
17:11you know the story of the dung beetle
17:13oh god
17:14really again
17:15if you want to fly free
17:16first you have to eat a lot of shit
17:18sometimes you have to ignore bullies
17:19not being bullied
17:20sometimes you
17:21you
17:22you have to puncture them
17:23I'm not dad
17:24there's always a way to
17:25there's always a chance
17:26when the wankers
17:27when they suddenly seem vulnerable
17:28when they are
17:30you have to
17:31clamp your pincers onto them
17:32as hard as possible
17:33do not let go
17:42tomatoes in the oven
17:43brilliant tend
17:44they're turkish
17:45love you very much
17:47love you very much
17:57you stupid child
17:59you such a disappointment
18:01it won't surprise you to know we didn't get the rights to use their masthead
18:11or this one
18:14hi it's nick davies
18:27you still have that contact at scotland yard
18:30no sorry mate
18:31really can't help you get involved with that one
18:33you know how that is
18:34you know how that is
18:35but andy coulson will soon be sitting in downing street
18:37yeah
18:38and murdoch's already sitting on downing street
18:40yeah
18:41i
18:42yes i appreciate that
18:43i understand
18:44if i could get some evidence of this
18:45no
18:46no
18:47no
18:48all right thanks bye
18:54oh hi thanks for coming back
18:55do you have the number four name redacted
18:57see later
18:59yes
19:00okay great
19:01okay great
19:02zero
19:03seven
19:04seven
19:05zero
19:06zero
19:07nine
19:08zero
19:09zero
19:10nine
19:11five
19:12four
19:13got that
19:14thank you
19:15hi i'm wondering whether i could speak to whoever represents el mcpherson
19:19no no i'm not a fan
19:20no i'm wondering whether she's currently suing the news of the world
19:24is that max
19:26hi it's nick davies
19:28we met at the orwell prize
19:29i'm actually after a bit of insight
19:32well no give me a chance
19:34detective
19:36buzz aldrin
19:37not his real name
19:38my name is nick davies i'm a guardian journalist i believe you were looking into the clive goodman case
19:44i'm very busy mr davies
19:45i followed your work buzz i know how principled you are i think you know that this that that what is happening here is acutely in the public interest and if it's all dealt with in behind stairs deals it'll help no one i can't talk to journalists
19:51don't have to talk
19:52all i need to know
19:53all i need to know is which of the five non royal names in the clive goodman case is now suing the paper
19:54cough
19:55that's all i ask
19:56cough
19:57cough
19:58cough
19:59that's all i ask
20:00cough when i hit the right name
20:01you are very very persistent
20:02because what i understand is that those five names represent thousands thousands of people who've had their privacy stolen by this newspaper please
20:04i believe you were looking into the clive goodman case
20:05i'm very busy mr davies
20:06i followed your work buzz i know how principled you are
20:07i think you know that this that that what is happening here is acutely in the public interest and if it's all dealt with in behind stairs deals it'll help no one
20:12i can't talk to james
20:13don't have to talk
20:14all i need to know is which of the five non royal names in the clive goodman case is now suing the paper
20:19cough
20:20that's all i ask
20:21cough when i hit the right name
20:22you are very very persistent
20:23because what i understand is that those five names represent thousands thousands of people who've had their privacy stolen by this newspaper please
20:30l mcpherson
20:33simon hughes
20:35gordon taylor
20:37thank you
20:40you did the right thing
20:42sorry excuse me charlotte harris
20:59nick davis of the guardian i believe you represent gordon taylor
21:02i'm doing court
21:03i understand that he's suing news of the world for breach of privacy
21:06mr davis whether or not mr taylor is my client i have no interest in putting to any press sorry
21:10these so-called journalists bring our whole industry into disrepute
21:15i'm very persistent
21:18well can you can you tell me then about john hugheson he's also a claimant is he not and the interesting thing is if you ask the public who those two are they might know taylor they wouldn't know hugheson because he's a lawyer like you
21:32he's entrusted with the secrets of others in the secrets of sports stars in his case which makes him interesting to the news of the world
21:39this is a news operation which is trying to undermine the confidentiality that crucially underlies your profession if you want to fight it
21:47well
21:49you're a tiger but they're lions
21:51the guardians are lion too
21:53what if i'm neither a lion nor a tiger
21:56what if i am a walrus
21:59walruses can be fierce
22:01and what if you're a
22:03see i'm trying to think of an annoying animal
22:05is mr taylor settled
22:06what evidence do you have
22:08are there other claimants
22:09i'm sure you must you must be looking to engage more clients
22:12privacy cases like this can sometimes
22:14what did max mosley get
22:16sixty thousand pounds
22:18and costs line enough out
22:19you could have a class action suit worth a lot of money
22:21see you were doing well
22:23reasonably well
22:24until you brought money into it
22:26i can't talk to you about specific cases
22:28but i can tell you
22:30i can tell you that there is so much more to come
22:42i can tell you what
22:43i can tell you
22:44i can tell you
22:45i can tell you
22:46i can tell you
22:47i can tell you
22:48i can tell you
22:49i can tell you
22:50i can tell you
22:51yep
22:52you got the name
22:53mr apollo
22:54you're back
22:55are you watching me
22:57i take it you're still interested in this case then
23:00the deer is in the fireplace the lion is a light
23:07what the fuck are you doing
23:09sorry i had a tendency to make jokes
23:11i was trying to be a russian spy
23:14it could be spotted at any moment
23:16do you know the risks
23:17i do sorry
23:18so you found the lawyer
23:22is this some kind of a test
23:23do i get a prize at the end of it
23:25do you know how much they're settling for
23:27no
23:28four hundred thousand pounds in damages
23:31another three hundred thousand pounds in legal expenses
23:33and their associates are getting a hundred and forty thousand pounds in damages
23:36plus they're legal
23:38the whole package comes in at just over a million pounds
23:40well that's a lot
23:42even for news international to stomach
23:44but
23:45max mosley was their cute him of being a nazi at an orgy all he got
23:51was sixty thousand pounds yes
23:53now you're getting it
23:55but i need i need paperwork or audio recording some sort of hard evidence
24:02i don't even have to publish it i just need to be able to show the guardian
24:06the preliminary hearings in 2007 the public record
24:08that's not enough
24:10i need to be able to use it
24:11no i need to be able to use it
24:23summarise it
24:25yes
24:26show it to your editor
24:27yes
24:28quote from it
24:29no
24:30can i have your number
24:31no
24:32be careful nick
24:34this could get nasty
24:38i have a piece on mp's expenses i want you to have a look at
24:55okay
24:56you want some gingerbread
24:57my mother made it
24:58it's not very good
24:59i have evidence
25:00how long did that take you to get
25:02maybe two months
25:03and you've never mentioned it
25:05they're paying up millions to cover this up
25:07this is a story
25:09nick newspapers reporting on news
25:12but the editor of that newspaper is about to enter government
25:15if andy coulson was complicit in hacking phones as an editor
25:19imagine what he might do to enemies of the government
25:21show me what you have
25:24okay so
25:27print out of an email
25:29ross hindley at news of the world
25:31to shadow men at yahoo.co.uk
25:33glenn mulcair's email
25:34his email was shadow men
25:36hmm
25:37it says transcript for neville
25:39wednesday 29th of june 2005
25:41i can read
25:42and neville is
25:44neville thirlbeck chief reporter at news of the world
25:46there are transcripts of 35 voicemail messages which have been left on the phones of gordon
25:51taylor
25:52and a colleague
25:53wasn't just clive goodman
25:54and then there's this
25:57greg miscue assistant editor
25:59proving a payment of seven thousand pounds
26:01to mulcair for a story on gordon taylor
26:04and the police have access to all of this and more
26:07can we use this?
26:08no
26:09can we get your mr apollo to speak on the record?
26:14how long have we known each other?
26:16i've no idea
26:17i had no interest in trying to work that out
26:19it'll make me feel old
26:20nearly thirty years
26:21this is it alan
26:23there is an industry making huge profit from evading people's private lives
26:26and rupert murdoch's bullying tabloids have explicitly encouraged it and are buying it
26:30this matters
26:40tin hats on
26:43good
26:44okay
26:45i'll let you know when i've got something
26:52thanks alan
26:55you may think you lead a private life but the guardian has uncovered evidence to suggest otherwise
27:01this strange story began in 2006 with the arrest of two men
27:06the news of the world royal editor clive goodman and a private investigator glenn mulcair
27:11the men pled guilty to phone hacking charges and served prison sentences
27:15following an investigation the paper told the world that hacking was the work of one rogue reporter
27:20the story should have ended there
27:22but it didn't
27:23from the beginning on newspapers have prospered for one reason
27:41giving readers the news they want
27:44shit
27:45shit
27:46shit
27:47shit
27:48shit
27:49shit
27:50shit
27:51shit
27:52shit
27:53hmm
27:54keep it simple
27:55rupert murdoch's newsgroup newspapers had paid out more than one million pounds
27:59to settle legal cases that threatened to reveal evidence of his journalists' repeated involvement
28:03in the use of criminal methods to get stories
28:06payments secured secrecy over out-of-court settlements
28:09in three cases that threatened to expose evidence of murdoch journalists using private investigators
28:14to illegally hack into the mobile phone messages of numerous public figures
28:19cabinet ministers mps actors and sports stars were all targets of private investigators
28:24are you sure we can safely list all those groups
28:26we already have evidence of actors el mcpherson sports stars sky and mps then
28:30i have an invoice uh recording a payment to a private investigator showing john prescott had been targeted it's likely hacking
28:36this article has no named sources no evidence on the record
28:39Alan thinks we have enough i do too
28:41and we haven't got right of reply
28:43it's a declaration of bloody war murdoch and brooks they have nuclear weapons
28:46right now they do but we can neuter their nuclear weapons with this
28:49if we do fleet street will fall in behind us the police soon after
28:52and they have
28:53when they find the information they already have
28:55information they don't know they have the the met we're talking about
28:58look once we publish they'll be forced to act
29:02can we name coulson
29:04now you're worried i haven't gone far enough
29:06that makes it more in the public interest if we can name him
29:09i did ring conservative hq right to reply jill
29:12i asked about the gordon taylor settlement his office replied it didn't ring any bells
29:16there'd be nothing that directly linked them
29:18i agree
29:19but we can say that he was the editor in place when journalists for whom he was responsible etc etc etc
29:27that's good
29:28that's good
29:30yes
29:34i'm uneasy
29:36but if you're sure
29:37i am
29:42it reads well
29:55okay
30:03at half past five in the afternoon on wednesday 8th of july 2009 we posted my news story on the guardian website
30:09it ran the guardian news desk asked a reporter caroline davies to call john prescott ex-deputy prime minister to get a quote
30:16i told him the gist of the story and he said
30:18fucking hell
30:19you'd have thought the police in the committing of a criminal offence as clearly it is against anyone
30:24and particularly you'd have thought a cabinet member they would have come and told me about it
30:28i wouldn't have asked them what are you going to do about it
30:30prescott ruled
30:32but the house fell silent
30:34anyone
30:36anyone
30:43anyone
30:45and fleet street
30:46well
30:47fleet street essentially
30:51did their best to ignore the story
30:53ask any journalist what a great story depends on
30:56they'll say the same thing
30:57a new angle
30:59when at least journalists can get mine
31:01we are reliant on our own profession to follow up on stories so they have impact
31:06to make a story newsworthy requires multiple news outlets but on this one
31:10crickets
31:12my company couldn't have settled the legal action like the guardian claims if they had done i'd have none about it
31:19i tried to get this out as wide as possible i talked on radio stations tv shows i took constant calls from agents of public figures asking am i on that list
31:26i slept about four hours and then at five in the afternoon i was surprised to hear that john yates assistant commissioner at scotland yard was preparing to make a statement
31:37good afternoon
31:38good afternoon i was not involved in the original case and clearly come at this with an independent mind
31:44in my opinion what i've seen is a most careful investigation by very experienced detectives
31:50he proceeded to gently demolish our work we suggested there were thousands of victims
31:55their potential targets may have run into hundreds of people
31:58but our inquiry showed that they only use the tactic against a far smaller number of individuals
32:03and since no additional evidence has come to light i can see no reason to reopen the inquiry
32:09that was assistant commissioner john yates speaking in response to fred
32:36what is it
32:37what is it
32:38the police haven't backed us
32:40and kistana's conducting a review
32:43he was director of public prosecutions then
32:45but he doesn't consider there was anything inappropriate in the prosecutions undertaken in this case
32:49we are being squashed
32:52we need to speak to your mr apollo we need to get him on the record
32:55he
32:56he can contact me i can't contact him
32:59nick
33:00our colleagues upstairs are gravely concerned
33:05is it possible you were set up
33:07no this is right
33:08i've i've used no named sources no quotes from documents we should never have published
33:13and murdoch has set his attack dogs on us in the comments they're briefing that we can't back up our story
33:20and now the cms select committee want to see us urgently
33:24that doesn't sound great
33:26they want to barbecue you nick and john yates has given them permission
33:33i'm sorry i uh i've read the runes wrong here
33:38guardian are putting together a statement
33:41what kind of statement
33:42i'll know when i see it
33:44i feel like i'm having a heart attack
33:47why is everybody doing this
33:51i feel like i'm having a heart attack
34:06My mother was a strong character, intelligent, forceful, imaginative, trapped as she believed
34:29in domestic drudgery. She had a furious temper. This wasn't the 1950s toxic ideal
34:36of spare the rod and spoil the child. This was mad beatings. When she came after us with
34:40a black-eyed fury, armed with whatever weapon she had to hand. A dog lead, a slipper, a riding
34:47crop, a rope. Are you ready to say you're sorry? No. I've been working as a journalist
35:02for a couple of decades thinking I was interested in criminal justice and social problems when
35:07I saw that I was being drawn to stories again and again with the same theme. A deep-seated
35:14urge to hit back at anybody at all who takes power and abuses it. Stupid child.
35:21the
35:51Yes, sir. I tried hitting him back.
36:07Why?
36:09Seizing rage. I thought he looked vulnerable.
36:14Oh.
36:17Didn't work.
36:19No.
36:22You look terrible.
36:26What happened to you?
36:27You're asking me or him?
36:31Okay, so I need to take you to your mum's tonight.
36:35She says she's cool, though, if you are.
36:37Yeah, sure, I don't mind.
36:39It's been a day of statement and counterstatement in the phone hacking affair,
36:52with News International angrily refuting all the allegations made by The Guardian.
36:57With the editor and the reporter due to appear at the Media Select Committee,
37:01certain publications are claiming a leftist agenda against the news of the world by The Guardian,
37:07and calling for legal action to be taken against the organisation if they can't back up.
37:12Curious claims made against Murdoch's paper.
37:21Hi.
37:22Hello.
37:26See you, kids.
37:27Hi, kids.
37:28Whoa, hang on.
37:29I'm fine, Mum. I'm fine.
37:31It's my fault.
37:32Sorry about advice.
37:35Coffee.
37:36I'll...
37:38Thanks for this. I'll see you Monday. I'm sorry.
37:40Nick.
37:41Yeah?
37:42Have you eaten?
37:43When?
37:44In the last day.
37:45I'm just a bit tired. I'm not really at my best.
37:49I need to think.
37:50And the...
37:53House of Commons Select Committee want to see us tomorrow.
37:57And The Guardian have got this message that their PR have written that is just...
38:01All right.
38:02Okay.
38:03You look worse than he does.
38:05That's...
38:06I didn't have him to fight back.
38:08I got the biggest moment.
38:09Come on.
38:10Hit someone.
38:11Shit.
38:12It's all right.
38:15Come on.
38:17Sit down.
38:18Sit down.
38:19Sleep okay?
38:20What do I do?
38:21How do I make it better?
38:22Er, well, we will talk to the school.
38:23You think they'll do better?
38:24It's a good school.
38:25Things have changed, you know. Teachers, parents. They're not allowed to do.
38:42There's systems, right?
38:47I thought about her.
38:49Earlier today, I was reading this...
38:52paper magie over apologetic PR nonsense.
38:56And I thought about all the times I'd gone to her and apologised.
38:59And all the times that I...
39:01And then my son gets her face like that.
39:06Okay.
39:07I'm gonna make the sofa out. You're staying here tonight.
39:13And just put the soup on.
39:37PHONE RINGS
39:45Hi.
39:46I can't read that statement. A retraction at this time.
39:50You're asking me to say I was wrong.
39:52If we can't get Mr. Apollo on the record, then we need to make a retraction.
39:57You know getting him on the record is impossible.
40:00Then I'm afraid you'll have to make that statement to the select committee tomorrow.
40:04If you make me read it out, I won't come.
40:07If you don't come, we're fucked.
40:13Oh.
40:34Carl Bernstein, one of the great reporters who exposed the Watergate scandal, said,
40:46I think all good reporting is the same thing.
40:50The best attainable version of the truth.
40:53The best attainable version of the truth.
40:56The best attainable.
40:57No matter what, you've got to...
40:58You've got to...
40:59You've got to...
41:00Morning.
41:01Hi.
41:02Does this printer scanner thing still work?
41:11Uh, yeah that one does.
41:12Coffee?
41:13And do you have some black paper and some glue and some scissors?
41:18Oh, are you making me a collage, Nick?
41:19Might need the kids to be slightly late for school.
41:20Right.
41:21Why?
41:22Okay, so these are emails written to a journalist, that's Neville, with transcriptions of a man
41:33called Gordon Taylor's voicemail messages.
41:34What I need you to do is to block out all the sections which are clearly transcribed from
41:36those voicemails.
41:37Leave everything else visible.
41:38You should be able to tell which bits of which, but ain't doubts, just ask.
41:39Hmm.
41:40May I ask?
41:41Why aren't you doing this at The Guardian with some sort of vague professionalism?
41:42Alan can't know.
41:43Your editor can't know.
41:44I'm not sure.
41:45I'm not sure.
41:46I'm not sure.
41:47I'm not sure.
41:48I'm not sure.
41:49I'm not sure.
41:50I'm not sure.
41:51I'm not sure.
41:52I'm not sure.
41:53I'm not sure.
41:54I'm not sure.
41:55I'm not sure.
41:56I'm not sure.
41:57I'm not sure.
41:58I'm not sure.
41:59You're not sure.
42:00I'm not sure.
42:01I'm not sure.
42:02You're not sure.
42:03There's some sort of vague professionalism.
42:04Alan can't know.
42:05Your editor can't know.
42:06Because I can't have him tell anyone else.
42:07Oh, yeah.
42:08That man is a gossip.
42:09Fleet Street can't know about this.
42:10As far as they know, I'm walking naked into that committee room.
42:12I was just trying to protect my editor and my newspaper.
42:15And you.
42:16What sort of danger are you putting yourself in here?
42:29Well.
42:30You've got all of them.
42:31I'm sorry.
42:32I'm sorry.
42:33I'm sorry.
42:34I'm sorry, Chris.
42:35I'm sorry, Matt.
42:36Nick?
42:39How are you, Alan?
42:42I'm fine.
42:43A bit tired.
42:44Something interrupted my sleep last night.
42:46I hate it when that happens.
42:47I'm sorry.
42:48I've been wrong.
42:49Thank you, sheep!
42:50How are you, Alan?
42:51I'm fine.
42:52I'm a bit tired.
42:53Something interrupted my sleep last night.
42:56I hate it when that happens.
42:57I'm sorry.
42:58I hate it when that happens.
43:02I hate all of this.
43:04Sorry if I've made your life difficult.
43:07My life.
43:08This is bigger than me.
43:11Could have brought down the whole Guardian newspaper with this one.
43:15But what a way to go.
43:17I mean, consider the glory I, Nick Davies, have destroyed.
43:24Utterly destroyed.
43:26Right. Close to 200 years of journalistic endeavour.
43:31You're an absolute... God.
43:34God, I can't even think what you are. You're awful.
43:39You know what Peter Preston told me when I took over the editor's desk?
43:43Why did they choose you?
43:45Don't join the club.
43:48He had to make adjustments to the paper after the move from Manchester,
43:51and he didn't...
43:52He wouldn't be part of the media cabal.
43:57He liked being on the edge of Fleet Street.
43:59He considered it part of our DNA.
44:03Last night in bed, I realised something.
44:06What you've done, bringing us here,
44:09is in the line of great Guardian coups.
44:14But I do want to keep the newspaper I've been entrusted with alive.
44:17Are you reading the statement?
44:21No.
44:23But I do have things to say.
44:28If you go too far, I will squeeze your leg, and you will stop.
44:32I've got a paper to protect.
44:35And you, be sure to protect yourself.
44:41Tune hat's on.
44:43Thank you for joining us, gentlemen.
44:46Now, we have a lot of questions, so I'm trying to keep opening statements short.
44:50I'd like to keep this whole experience quite short, if I may.
44:52But I do have...
44:55There's a lot for me to say.
45:00I'd like to start by showing you, first of all, copies of an email.
45:04I'd like to start by showing you, first of all, copies of an email.
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