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00:00Give me the money.
00:01I can remember going, give me the money.
00:04Give me the money.
00:05The gun.
00:05Give me the money.
00:06Broken half.
00:07Oh, no, no, no.
00:08So now it's pointing at my shoe.
00:10And right when it did, this guy comes running out of the back with a cleaver.
00:15I couldn't believe it.
00:19I have taken millions of dollars out of casinos around the world as a professional gambler.
00:25By the time I was 16, I had stolen hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of cars.
00:32I don't care who you are.
00:35You see some idiot holding a hand grenade, you're going to pee.
00:39And now I'm in a literal tug of war between two factions of the Chechenan mob.
00:47The key to a robbery is letting people absolutely know that you will kill them without saying a word.
00:55My name is Danny Trejo.
01:08And before I became a movie star and machete, I was an armed robber.
01:16I robbed a few stores with a hand grenade.
01:19I'm from Los Angeles, California, born and raised.
01:29As a kid, I was surrounded by girl cousins.
01:35I had a mom and dad that were really too busy.
01:38The only one that ever had any time for me was my Uncle Gilbert.
01:42My Uncle Gilbert was the last of 11 kids.
01:44By the time Gilbert came along, my grandma and grandpa were kind of done with kids, you know what I mean?
01:53And Gilbert was six years older than me.
01:55So me and Gilbert kind of became outcasts together because we always got in trouble.
02:01My Uncle would steal my grandfather's car.
02:10And he'd take me and he would deal weed.
02:14I didn't know he was dealing weed.
02:15And he would pull it to somebody's house.
02:19They'd come out and say, give me three.
02:20And he'd roll up three joints and sell three joints.
02:23And then that's what we did.
02:24The first time I watched Gilbert do a robbery, it was him and a friend named Charlie.
02:32I didn't even know that they were going to do anything.
02:35You know what I mean?
02:36But stopped in front of a liquor store.
02:38They both got out of the car.
02:39They both came out.
02:42And it's funny because they left the car running, you know?
02:46And they were just laughing and counting money.
02:50It seemed so easy.
02:52And they did it so much.
02:54My Uncle Gilbert gave me heroin when I was 12.
03:01I remember him telling me, hold this, I'm holding this, and bang.
03:14And the next thing I remember was that I was outside and I was just sitting there and I
03:19couldn't keep my head up.
03:21It was a great feeling.
03:22And I remember trying to eat this ice cream.
03:26And I would nod and what would wake me up was the dogs.
03:32Hey, get over here.
03:33I don't know if I ever got any ice cream or not, but I'll never forget that day.
03:39And I think from the time I was 12 then to the time I was 25, I tried to recapture that day.
03:49As soon as I started using drugs, I started committing crimes.
03:58You need the money for drugs.
04:00And it's real hard to realize whether you're getting the money to do drugs or doing drugs to get the money.
04:08I committed my first armed robbery at 14, and I remember I stole a gun from my uncle.
04:16I got a revolver, but the gun I got was broken.
04:19You had to hold it like this or it would fall.
04:24And so me and a friend of mine robbed a market on Lancashire Boulevard.
04:29I can remember, I can remember going, give me the money.
04:32Give me the money.
04:33She was an old lady, and I kept saying, no, the box, the box.
04:37Because they kept all the big cash in a cigar box underneath the counter.
04:42When I kept pointing, no, down there, down there.
04:45And when I went there, the gun broke in half.
04:49No, no, no.
04:50So now it's pointing at my shoe, and right when it did, this guy comes running out of the back with a cleaver.
05:03So me and Mike took off running, and my gun is going, you know.
05:09Got away with $11, but it was kind of a fiasco.
05:14We ran away laughing.
05:15But then it just escalates.
05:21It's like robberies become a habit.
05:27You can be driving down the street with $400 in your pocket and go, hey, right there, that's a good score.
05:33And go rob something else.
05:36And I think that's one of the things that Gilbert happened to do, was he hooked me to that easy life, not just drugs.
05:44I spent my teenage years stealing as much as I could, and getting away with it.
05:49The key to a robbery is letting people absolutely know that you will kill them without saying a word.
05:57I threatened people just with intimidation.
06:08Sometimes I didn't even have a weapon.
06:10You know, there's people that couldn't look intimidating with a whole fistful of guns.
06:15And there's other people that can look intimidating just looking at somebody.
06:20I could intimidate.
06:21That was one of the keys to whatever success I had.
06:28I started committing crimes with a friend named Dennis.
06:32Dennis and I went on a 45-day crime spree, robbing anything we could.
06:37Robberies, whether it was strong-arm, whether it was robbing somebody, whether it was just part of the day.
06:47You know, you could do a robbery and get $8.
06:50Or a robbery and get, you know, $17,000.
06:53We used to spend thousands of dollars a day.
06:56I think one of the things that we specialized in was intimidation robberies.
07:06Give you an example.
07:07These guys robbed an armory.
07:09And I remember they had three or four hand grenades.
07:12And they were like real hand grenades.
07:14And I got one.
07:16Just holding it was scary.
07:18And, you know, you can pull the pin on a hand grenade.
07:21And as long as you hold that hammer down, it's not going to go off.
07:27I don't care who you are and how tough you are.
07:31You see some idiot holding a hand grenade and having the pin right here and say, how about I put this in your pocket?
07:38You know, I don't care.
07:39You're going to pee.
07:40The minute they saw that, it was like, they're already opening the register.
07:47They were like, wow, you know, what power.
07:55That's kind of what robbery's all about.
07:57It's not just the money.
07:59It's the power.
08:00Sometimes Dennis and I sold drugs, and sometimes we sold fake drugs, which was just sugar.
08:17Dennis had set up a drug deal.
08:19Yeah, the minute I got a look at this guy, I knew something was up.
08:25The guy buying the drugs, his partner looks a little shady.
08:28I mean, too clean cut.
08:31You know, I knew he was a cop.
08:33I was glad we were selling him sugar.
08:36Dennis had the sugar, gave it to the Fed.
08:40And then the Fed turned around trying to give me the money, and I just looked at him straight.
08:45I looked at Dennis.
08:46Dennis grabbed the money.
08:49And then they left, and then I told Dennis that it's no good, Holmes.
08:54Guy's a cop.
08:55Nah, man, man.
08:56I knew they were in trouble because the Feds mark money.
09:00So did the police.
09:01So what I did, the minute they left, I went and switched out the money at a restaurant where I knew the waitress.
09:08As we pulled into Dennis's, the Feds came from all over.
09:16Boy, all hell broke loose.
09:18There was about 15 different police.
09:21And, uh, wow, were they mad.
09:24Where's my money?
09:25I gave my money.
09:27That's not my money.
09:29Guy was berserk.
09:31Because if they don't have the marked money, they ain't got nothing.
09:34And so this guy beat me all the way to the Federal Building downtown.
09:42I was on the floor of a 1965 Butte Riviera.
09:46Beautiful.
09:47That tan interior.
09:48I'll never forget.
09:49And I'm bleeding all over.
09:51I said, hey, I'm bleeding all over your car.
09:55Kind of looked like the end for me.
09:56I was sentenced to six to ten years for sale in lewd of narcotics.
10:09That means sale in pretendies dope.
10:14While serving my time, I was transferred to San Quentin.
10:19San Quentin is like the only right now place in the world.
10:25Well, everything happens right now.
10:28I can die right now.
10:30I can go to the hole right now.
10:33All this bad stuff can happen to me right now.
10:37People think that people walk around prison going, hey, I'm tougher than you.
10:41You don't.
10:43Prison is probably one of the politest places you're ever going to be in.
10:46Because if you're a killer, I'm a killer.
10:49He's a killer, too.
10:50It's like the last thing you want to do is be rude to somebody.
10:56San Quentin is the pincushion of the world.
10:58And here is where everybody gets stabbed.
11:01There's no such thing as a fair fight.
11:04You know, a fair fight is me coming up behind you,
11:07stabbing you three times and walking away.
11:09It's not that I did something wrong or that you did something wrong
11:13or that we pissed somebody off.
11:15It's like this guy didn't get a letter.
11:18Do you understand?
11:18This guy didn't get a letter from his wife
11:20and just felt like stabbing someone.
11:29In San Quentin, you might get stabbed.
11:32You can use a magazine to protect from being attacked.
11:36Let me show you a little quick.
11:38Armored.
11:38Armored, a magazine.
11:40Best protection you can have.
11:43I don't think they make, do they make Look magazine anymore?
11:47I knew there was a magazine, a Look, and there was a big one.
11:50You put it right here, cover your shirt,
11:54your belt so it'll stay,
11:56and it's like, boom, somebody hits you.
11:59Might knock the wind out of you,
12:01but you're protected.
12:02I was surviving prison, but what happened on Cinco de Mayo literally changed everything.
12:20Cinco de Mayo, 1968. Powers that be in prison did probably the stupidest thing in the world.
12:27They invited an outside college baseball team to play a bunch of drunk Mexicans.
12:34They bring in some absolute Caucasian baseball team.
12:38They all look like Ricky Schroeder.
12:48The third baseman, I'll never forget, man.
12:51This big white boy just had gum chewing like double bubble.
12:56You're not allowed gum in prison.
13:02And this guy is just like letting everybody know.
13:06I'm chewing gum.
13:08And Ray, Ray had come down from Tascadero, which is the mental hospital for the criminal insane.
13:15I remember Ray said, damn, I wish I had some gum.
13:19Ray had gone up and asked that guy for some gum.
13:21That guy's like, no, I'm not supposed to give you any.
13:24Bam!
13:25Bam!
13:26Ray smacking him.
13:27And in prison, when something goes down, it just all goes down.
13:33It's kind of like if you had a thousand rat traps, they all go.
13:45In a prison riot, anybody who's got a resentment just goes for it.
13:52And it was alleged that I hit Lieutenant Givens in the head with a rock.
14:07I remember seeing them bleeding.
14:09It was just like chaos.
14:10And then they blew that whistle.
14:12When the whistle starts blowing, that means they're going to shoot.
14:16The minute that...
14:17Bam!
14:18Me and Ray both turned up and we fell.
14:22And Ray, kind of like a little kid, are they going to hurt us?
14:25No.
14:26No, we're already hurt.
14:28Don't worry about this.
14:30They marched us to the hole.
14:36There's solitary, which is you're in a cell by yourself.
14:40And then there's a hole, which is completely dark, quiet.
14:45And that...
14:46I think they outlawed that now.
14:47When we were in the hole, I was questioning my whole life.
14:52I was 24 years old.
14:55That's a baby.
14:56Because they said we attacked guards.
14:59Those are gas chamber offenses.
15:03I remember asking God to let me die with dignity.
15:07So I remember.
15:08Let me die with dignity.
15:10I will say your name every day.
15:13And I will do whatever I can for my fellow inmate.
15:16I said inmate because I never thought I was getting out.
15:25I got out of the hole a month or so later and I started going to AA.
15:31That changed my life.
15:33And it helped me never to touch drugs or alcohol.
15:37Again.
15:39And I started helping my fellow inmates.
15:42And when I went to parole board in July of 1969.
15:47And I started talking about AA and the good guy.
15:52I turned...
15:54He said, we're all...
15:56We're kicking you out of here.
15:58And I was stunned.
15:59They were just tired of seeing me.
16:01After I got out of prison and I became a drug counselor.
16:10My whole life changed.
16:12My whole life came from a taker to a giver and a helper.
16:17That's all I do.
16:18No more life of crime for me.
16:24I'm Richard Munchkin and I have taken millions of dollars out of casinos around the world as a professional gambler.
16:31I grew up in a suburb of Chicago and I was fascinated with games from the time I was very little.
16:43The winters back there are brutal, so we would stay inside and play games.
16:48In high school, my older brother invited some of his friends over to the house to play poker.
16:55We were literally playing for nickels and dimes.
16:58And at the end of the day, I was ahead.
17:01Five dollars and 20 cents.
17:03And it was like the heavens opened and the angels began to sing.
17:07And I thought, oh my God, I can actually make money playing cards.
17:13Like this is the greatest thing in the world.
17:16So I started playing as much as I could.
17:19Basically, I went through college playing poker.
17:22That was how I earned a living while I was in college.
17:25And then one day, I was playing backgammon with a friend in a bar in Chicago.
17:32And he told me that he had a system for beating blackjack.
17:37There's a way of counting the cards and being able to keep track of them.
17:41And you can actually have a mathematical advantage.
17:43And he recommended a book called Playing Blackjack as a Business.
17:47And I got it and I read it.
17:49And I thought, okay, this makes sense.
17:51This is math.
17:54For my 21st birthday, I flew out to Las Vegas.
17:58And I started practicing to become a professional card count.
18:02Counting cards is a method for keeping track of low cards and high cards.
18:07And the ratio of those two things.
18:09And blackjack, a shoe, you know, is like six decks of cards.
18:13And when you play, cards are removed from the shoe.
18:18And that does affect what's going to happen the next hand.
18:21And when there are more low cards in the deck, that favors the house.
18:27So you want to bet as little as possible.
18:29When there are more tens and aces in the deck, the count goes higher.
18:34That favors the player.
18:35And you want to bet as much as possible.
18:37So smaller cards favor the house.
18:40And higher cards favor the player.
18:42That's basically how card counting works.
18:45And the question that I get asked most often is, isn't that illegal?
18:50And the answer is absolutely not.
18:53It's not illegal anywhere in the United States or any country I've ever been to.
18:58In the nice places, they come up and they say, we don't want your action anymore.
19:02And in the not so nice places, they can be pretty nasty.
19:06In the old days, card counters would get roughed up.
19:09In Las Vegas, they have been around the longest and been exposed to card counting the longest.
19:16The further you get away from Las Vegas, the less the casinos understood.
19:22And really, the more money you could make because they just thought you were getting lucky.
19:29People would call me and say, I found a great game in Korea or I found a great game in Russia.
19:36Those phone calls are worth literally millions of dollars.
19:41One of my friends calls me once and he says, I found a game that's really good.
19:48That means that I'm going to go strap $50,000 in cash to my body, leave the wife and young kids at home and head to an airport.
19:58And in this case, I was heading for Moscow.
20:08I had never been to Russia before.
20:12I had no idea what I was getting into.
20:14I mean, it's Russia.
20:16They can just say, we think you're a card counter.
20:19We've decided that's illegal.
20:21We're just taking the money back.
20:26My trip was about to go from a dream to a nightmare.
20:38I had never been to Russia before and had no reason to go because prior to this, they had no casinos.
20:43And the casino people really didn't understand the games and they were giving away the store.
20:49The rules were so good.
20:51Any blackjack player that heard would have immediately jumped on a plane and flown over there to try to play.
20:57I go into this little casino and it's off the lobby of a hotel and there is a nightclub that's closed.
21:07I go look in the nightclub.
21:08It's dark.
21:09There's, you know, chairs and tables and a little stage.
21:12And then way in the back, I see a door with a porthole window with light behind it.
21:17I think it's the kitchen, but I go back there and I push through the door and here's this little casino.
21:24There's six or eight tables.
21:26There's only two customers in the whole place.
21:28But I sit down and I start to play.
21:32I bought in for $2,000 and the maximum bet on this table was $500.
21:39And I start to win.
21:41And the count goes higher and so I start betting the maximum the table allows.
21:49And I just get lucky.
21:53Sometimes it has nothing to do with my skill.
21:58You just get lucky.
22:00I won every hand.
22:03It was ridiculous.
22:05But I'm a little bit worried because when we go into a casino to play, we set a number.
22:13How much is this casino comfortable losing?
22:18If you win over that, bad things start to happen.
22:21So we want to go right up to the ceiling and stop.
22:25So in Russia, I have no idea.
22:28I'm shooting in the dark here.
22:33In 15 minutes, I'd won $26,000.
22:38Now the pit boss is a young guy.
22:40He looks like he's wearing his father's suit.
22:43And every hand I win, he just starts to look sicker and sicker.
22:48And the color starts to drain from his face.
22:52And I keep thinking, this is not going to end well.
22:56So I finish the shoe and I think, I better just cash out.
22:59And now the same guy is the cashier.
23:02And he says, look, I'm sorry, we don't have enough cash to pay you.
23:07I say, how much do you have?
23:11Basically, he gives me back my $2,000.
23:14So I'm left with $22,000 chips.
23:18And then he tells me, the owner will be here tomorrow.
23:21Come back tomorrow.
23:22He'll have your money.
23:23And now I'm starting to think, oh boy, this is going to be a problem.
23:28I'm going to get screwed out of $22,000.
23:31I immediately go to the Cosmos poker room and see Jeff.
23:37Now, Jeff is an Australian guy who discovered all these blackjack games in Russia early.
23:44And he has moved here and has been here for years.
23:48Jeff runs the poker room at the Cosmos Hotel.
23:52So he knows every casino and everything that is going on in the gambling scene in Moscow.
23:59And I tell him what happened.
24:00He goes, oh, yeah, yeah, they can't afford that much.
24:04He says, this is the way it works in Russia.
24:07The laws and the police and the courts, worthless.
24:11Every business has what's called a roof.
24:15And your roof is your local mafia boss.
24:20If you have a dispute, you go to your roof.
24:23And that casino's roof is Chechnyan mob.
24:26And he says, and you're in luck because my roof here at the poker room is also Chechnyan mob.
24:33But my roof is higher than their roof.
24:37And I say, OK.
24:39And he says, would you take $18,000 for the 22 chips?
24:43I was like, done.
24:44Let's do it right now.
24:46Jeff says, I have to leave.
24:48But this is Natasha.
24:50And here's this Russian woman.
24:53And she's mysterious like a femme fatale.
24:57Kind of scary.
24:58Like if you had sex with her, you might not live through it.
25:02And he says, Natasha will take care of you.
25:05She will introduce you to our roof and meet at the other casino.
25:11So I'm just sitting there waiting and waiting.
25:15And about 10 o'clock at night, Natasha comes up to me and she says, we go to get your money.
25:21And we drive back to the other casino.
25:27So we get out of the taxi and we walk into the lobby and there's two huge guys with a little guy in the middle.
25:35And they're all wearing black turtlenecks and black suits.
25:38And I look over at the closed nightclub and they have a metal detector there and two big security guards.
25:47And those security guards are not happy.
25:51It seems pretty clear these two groups of mobsters do not like each other.
25:56Natasha starts talking to the little one.
25:59So it's clear to me that these are my Chechenian mobsters.
26:03And the guys over at the metal detector are their Chechenian mobsters.
26:08She says, OK, we go.
26:11And now we all start heading for the metal detector.
26:15As we're going, the guards start talking to the guys behind me in Russian.
26:21And as we're going, the volume is getting louder and louder and louder.
26:26And to the point now they're yelling at each other.
26:29And as I'm going through the metal detector, one of the guards grabs me by the wrist and starts pulling me in.
26:36And one of the guys behind me grabs me by the other wrist and starts pulling me out.
26:41And now I'm in a literal tug of war between two factions of the Chechenian mob.
26:47And I'm thinking, what the hell am I doing?
26:51I just want to play cards.
26:53How did this happen to me?
26:55I didn't think I was going to get out of there alive.
27:02I pull loose and we all back out into the lobby.
27:05And Natasha says to me, those men do not want these men to go inside.
27:10I said, yeah, I kind of got the message.
27:14And she says, you and me, we go in.
27:17And if they have the money, okay.
27:19If not, don't say a word.
27:20Just come back out.
27:22Okay.
27:24We go into the casino and it's the same pit boss and he is white and sweating.
27:31And he says, this is very bad.
27:34You should not have brought those men here.
27:36They should not be here.
27:38And I said, do you have my money?
27:40And he says, I have some.
27:43I said, how much?
27:45He says, one thousand.
27:50The guy gives me the one thousand and I give him one chip.
27:54He says, you come back in a week and I give you another thousand.
27:58And another week, another thousand.
28:00And I say, I'm leaving tomorrow.
28:02I'm going to be back in America.
28:04So I'm going to give the chips to them, the other mobsters out there in the lobby.
28:09They'll collect the money.
28:11And he says, oh no, only you can collect this money.
28:13I said, you'll have to take that up with them.
28:16So we go back out to the lobby and I still have 21 $1,000 chips.
28:22And I want to leave.
28:23I'm supposed to leave tomorrow.
28:25My only hope is that these guys are going to give me the $18,000.
28:31Natasha talks to the little guy in Russian and he keeps shaking his head.
28:36No problem.
28:37Give me the chips.
28:40I said, well, Jeff said like you would give me $18,000 for the chips.
28:45And I don't want to.
28:46He was like, oh, okay.
28:48You give them to Jeff.
28:50I called Jeff and Jeff says, leave the chips with Natasha and come down in the morning and pick up your money.
28:56I was like, Jeff, no, I'm not going to give up my chips to anybody without getting the money at the same time.
29:03I'm certainly not going to trust this Chechen mobster.
29:07And I'm not just going to leave the chips with Natasha.
29:10I'm not even going to leave them with Jeff.
29:12No, you get the chips when I get the money.
29:15And he says, all right, well, just come down in the morning.
29:18I'll have the money for you there in the morning and then you can give the chips to Natasha.
29:23So I go up to my room and I try to sleep, but I can't.
29:28And plus it's, it's a really cheap hotel.
29:31And there are hookers that walk up and down the hallways knocking on people's doors.
29:37This is definitely not America.
29:39There is nothing here to protect me.
29:42Look, if I lost the $21,000 in the casino, that's fine.
29:47That happens all the time.
29:49It's nothing.
29:50But to lose it in this way, I'm just feeling awful.
29:55The next morning, I go to the poker room.
29:59Natasha is there.
30:01I say, do you have the money?
30:04And she nods her head.
30:06And I say, where is it?
30:08And she goes over to a cabinet.
30:10She comes back with $18,000.
30:15I don't even count it.
30:17I'm like, thank God.
30:19And I give her the chips.
30:21And Jeff's roof will collect the full $21,000 after I'm gone.
30:26It was one of the happiest transactions of my life.
30:30I immediately jump in a cab and I drive directly to the airport.
30:35And I got on the plane.
30:40I had somehow survived a literal tug of war between two factions of the Chechen mob.
30:45Counting cards is never worth risking your life.
30:51My name is Sari Lopez, and I was America's most prolific child car thief.
30:55I was addicted to the rush of stealing cars.
31:00I was born in Portland, Oregon, and I was adopted at three days old.
31:04I was raised in an amazing home.
31:06My parents were super caring, loving.
31:09They made me feel special at all times.
31:12I just always felt like the black sheep that I never really fit in.
31:17My parents had blonde hair and blue eyes.
31:19And then there's me.
31:21Like, I always felt really different.
31:24I had a completely different personality.
31:26I was always more outspoken.
31:28I always did whatever I wanted.
31:30And then I hit my adolescent years, probably about 14 years old.
31:34And I met a group of kids that were definitely into criminal activity.
31:41I think the main connection with these people was that they were just as lost as I was.
31:46They didn't really have identity.
31:47They all came from broken homes.
31:49A lot of them didn't have parents.
31:50If they did, they were on drugs.
31:52They already had been in juveniles.
31:54So they were just kind of lost too.
31:56And so I quickly got into that crowd.
31:58And that's where I felt mostly at home.
32:00So my friend Wonton was one of my closest friends growing up.
32:04One night, Wonton and I were drinking.
32:06And he wanted to go steal a car.
32:08Basically, he just said, let's go.
32:10Let's go.
32:11And I was like, OK, let's do it.
32:14So we're walking in a parking lot in the middle of the night.
32:17So, of course, we had to be quiet.
32:18And it was super dark.
32:19I was the lookout.
32:20I had to make sure that no one saw us.
32:22So he's going car to car, trying to open the handles.
32:25And boom, there's a car door that opens.
32:28My heart is pounding.
32:29I'm super nervous.
32:31I'm shaking.
32:32I'm thinking in my mind, let's go.
32:34Let's hurry up.
32:35Let's go before the cops show up, before someone hears us.
32:38So Wonton has his backpack, and he pulls out this screwdriver
32:41and then this hammer, and then he puts it into the ignition.
32:44He twists it, and the car starts.
32:47And then the engine goes on, and I'm thinking in my head,
32:50I can't believe you just did this.
32:53And, of course, we're going to celebrate.
32:55We get some 40s.
32:56We party.
32:59So after I stole the car with Wonton,
33:01I decided that I was definitely capable of stealing cars
33:04whenever I wanted on my own.
33:09I was 14 years old when I stole my first car.
33:12Between the ages of 14 and 16, I had stolen about 15 cars.
33:18So each car I stole was upwards of $30,000 to $50,000.
33:22By the time I was 16, I had stolen hundreds of thousands
33:25of dollars worth of cars.
33:30Sometimes I would use the screwdriver trick,
33:32and then sometimes I'd have to hotwire a car.
33:37You have to actually take a little plastic cover
33:39off the steering wheel,
33:40and then there's going to be wires inside.
33:42Once you have the starter wire exposed,
33:45you're going to tap it to the two power wires
33:47that are connected,
33:48and the ignition should start.
33:53In my mind, I didn't really think about the consequences
33:56of the things I was doing.
33:57It's like almost like no remorse.
34:00Not so much no conscious,
34:01but I felt like just really no remorse
34:04to what I was doing.
34:05And the more things I did,
34:07and the more crimes that I committed,
34:09the colder I became.
34:11And it was easier to do something bigger
34:13and more each time,
34:15and not feel bad about it.
34:16I'm thinking in my head
34:17that I'm never going to get caught.
34:19When I was in the county jail,
34:26this white boy came in there,
34:29and I found out he could hypnotize you.
34:32He hypnotized me and two other guys
34:34to be loaded on weed.
34:36And weed actually got loaded.
34:39I mean, we were, like, laughing and joking,
34:42and, yeah, the munchies,
34:43and he was really good at hypnotizing.
34:46But then they pulled him out, you know?
34:48He turned out to be Charles Manson.
34:52It was before all the stuff at Chaney Ranch
34:55and all that stuff.
34:57When I seen him on the wall,
34:59are you kidding?
35:00We saved that kid the county jail.
35:03I couldn't believe it.
35:05One night, Wonton and I were partying,
35:07and we decided to steal a car
35:08so we could go to his dad's house in Tacoma.
35:10So we find the car in a parking lot,
35:13and he does his thing.
35:15I hop in, and we take it.
35:17And we take off.
35:19So we pick up our friend Jeremy,
35:20and he's, like, this 15-year-old kid,
35:22and we head to Tacoma.
35:24And we were up there for a couple nights,
35:25and we were partying,
35:26and we decided to come back to where I live
35:28because I needed to pick something up for my mom.
35:31I just had this intuition that morning when I woke up
35:34that something was off.
35:35Something was different,
35:36and something was about to go down.
35:38So that day, I decided not to drive the car,
35:40and I asked Jeremy to drive.
35:42So I head to the post office, and we pull in,
35:45and as we pull in, there's a police officer sitting there.
35:48So I'm in a stolen car,
35:50and I have a 15-year-old driver driving us
35:53that doesn't really even know how to drive.
35:55I'm super freaked out.
35:57I'm having an anxiety attack.
35:59Wanda has a gun in the car,
36:00so, of course, we're like,
36:01no, you cannot stop.
36:02We gotta go.
36:04But we didn't know that this police officer
36:07has been looking for us,
36:08so he had been watching my house
36:10because he knows we have a stolen car.
36:16And we see him pull out after us,
36:18and we're like, go, Jeremy, go.
36:20Hurry up.
36:22I mean, at this point, Jeremy's freaking out.
36:24He's like, oh, what am I gonna do?
36:25What do I do? What do I do?
36:26You know, he doesn't really know how to drive that well.
36:28So we tell him to go straight,
36:30and then he takes a right.
36:34Straight ahead is a bridge,
36:36and Jeremy's doing about 65, 70.
36:39One wrong move, we're all gonna die.
36:43So he splits the bridge, and we keep going,
36:45and we keep going straight,
36:46and we head down this street called Ocean Beach Highway.
36:50And it has, like, it's a four-lane road,
36:52but there's, like, a median in the middle
36:53where people turn,
36:54and we're driving straight down this median.
36:57At this point,
36:58there's, like, eight or nine police officers behind us,
37:00chasing us.
37:01So Jeremy doesn't know what he's doing.
37:03He's like, okay, what do I do?
37:04What do I do? What do I do?
37:05Do I go straight?
37:06And he's like, and all of a sudden,
37:07Wonton says, no, go left.
37:08Bust the left.
37:09So he takes the left doing, like, 90.
37:12The cars start screeching.
37:13We start drifting,
37:14and I just know in my mind
37:16that he's not going to make it
37:17because he's going too fast.
37:22I feel this smash.
37:23I hear this huge loud noise.
37:25The car had crashed into a telephone pole.
37:28There's literally a telephone pole
37:30in the middle of the car.
37:31Right where the console is between the seats,
37:33there's a pole sitting there.
37:35So at this moment,
37:36the police surround the car with guns,
37:38and they're ordering me to get out of the car.
37:40Well, I told them I can't.
37:41The door is, you know,
37:42because there's literally the pole in between the car.
37:44I couldn't get out of the car.
37:47I'm stuck in this car
37:48for 30 minutes with my hands up,
37:50and they have their guns drawn,
37:51and they're telling me,
37:52you know, you're under arrest
37:53and not to move.
37:56I felt so, so guilty, so helpless.
38:01The fire engine comes up
38:02and cuts me out of the car.
38:04After I get out of the car,
38:06they just arrest me.
38:07They didn't check anything
38:08to see if I was okay.
38:14I was sentenced to nine months in county jail
38:18for evading the police and grand theft auto.
38:23Honestly, I was scared.
38:24I was scared walking into jail for the first time.
38:27I had a lot of time to think about my life.
38:32So right when I got out,
38:33I quickly meet a guy
38:34that I started a relationship with.
38:35We fell in love,
38:36and I find out that I'm pregnant.
38:39In that moment,
38:43I completely changed
38:44the way I thought
38:45about this criminal lifestyle.
38:48I needed to be responsible
38:49and definitely not be in the streets.
38:52I knew that I definitely had to grow up.
38:57The greatest ride of my life
38:58has been being a mom.
39:05Sorry.
39:06I had been a drug counselor for quite a while
39:11before I started acting.
39:13I was helping this kid stay clean.
39:15He thought he was going to use.
39:17I went down to help him,
39:19and I walked onto the movie set
39:22of a movie called Runaway Train
39:25with John Voight and Eric Roberts.
39:27And the director came up to me and said,
39:30You be in movie.
39:32That changed my life.
39:34I became a movie star.
39:39My life is a dream.
39:40You understand?
39:41It's ridiculous.
39:44If I wouldn't have gone down
39:45to help that kid,
39:46everything good that's happened to me,
39:48has happened as a direct result
39:50of helping someone else.
39:54You know, so I'm still a drug counselor.
39:56That's where I really needed to be.
39:59Not just to help people,
40:01but to help me.
40:03I mean, and every once in a while,
40:05I ask God,
40:06How am I doing?
40:07He goes,
40:08You're almost out of hell, Daddy.
40:09Keep it up.
40:10Yeah.
40:11I talked to my Russian contact, Jeff,
40:23some months later,
40:24and he did tell me that they were able
40:26to cash in all 21,000 of those chips,
40:30but it took them six months to get the money.
40:33I never found out exactly how they collected all that money,
40:38and really, I don't want to know.
40:41And I knew I could not tell my wife that story.
40:45I'm currently officially retired,
40:47although, as my friends say,
40:49that is until I get the right phone call.
40:51Retiring is easy.
40:53I've done it six or seven times over the course of my career.
41:02It's crazy to look back and really,
41:04really think about all the moments that I had,
41:06the crazy moments that I put my parents through,
41:08and all the high-speed chases I was in,
41:11and to say that, thank God, I'm still here.
41:13I mean, I don't regret anything that I've done in my past.
41:16I don't ever think that I wish it didn't happen
41:19because it all played out for a reason,
41:22and it made me who I am today.
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