Into The Void Life, Death & Heavy Metal (2025) S01 E07

Name: Into The Void Life, Death & Heavy Metal (2025) S01 E07
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00:01Do you feel like you've got the recognition that you deserve as a musician?

00:06No.

00:21Anne Boleyn should have made it.

00:24She was a star, you know, she was a star.

00:30I'd never heard anything like Anne.

00:35Her hair's out there and she has these cool costumes and then she opens her mouth to sing and you're just blown away by it.

00:49The metal fans, they loved her. She was like a queen.

00:53But it really wasn't a fair game.

00:55Women just weren't treated equally back then or now.

01:02Metal was for guys.

01:06They just didn't see a woman as being anything other than maybe a fan or probably a groupie.

01:11When MTV came out, that was a godsend for metal bands.

01:23When you got into heavy rotation on MTV, that was saying something.

01:27The success led to great things for the guys in the band and then other things for Anne.

01:33There was no such thing. Sex harassment lawsuits.

01:37They put their hands on her. She was scratched up and bleeding.

01:44People don't take women seriously when they say I have a stalker.

01:49People told her she was crazy.

01:50But there was definitely sexism going on.

01:54I remember going into clubs where it was dangerous, you know.

01:58There's no place to escape.

02:00It really takes a tough constitution because it was playing field for the creeps.

02:06I'm not going to put myself in danger. I've done that. I've got to do something different.

02:10The 70s, it was a great time for music. I identified with bands like Black Sabbath.

02:37Every day I cannot feel that love to me. It's so real.

02:44Judas Priest.

02:45She's a grip and choke you. Every smoker.

02:49Pink Floyd and Len Seppelin.

02:56And especially Deep Purple. That was my favorite band.

02:58She wanted to do air bands before air bands were even air bands.

03:13I'm Anne Hulse's older brother.

03:16She was eight years old and I was ten years old.

03:18But there was no doubt that she was the leader of the band.

03:20I think that I may have been responsible for the cardboard guitars and the tinker toy microphones.

03:27She would dress this up and she would get out her records.

03:31And the room is packed full of the neighbor kids and the neighbor's parents.

03:36I mean, it's a packed room.

03:37She always has a thousand ideas and the strange thing about it is that a lot of them come true.

03:45Or a lot of them she makes come true.

03:48She wasn't satisfied with that. She had to have a real band.

03:51Back in high school, this Air Force recruiter came to visit.

04:01I was a big fan of the space program.

04:04So I went to talk to him.

04:05What's the path to becoming an astronaut?

04:08What do you have to do?

04:10They said, okay, well, I'm sorry.

04:14We can't put you in any kind of, you know, trajectory to do that.

04:18And I was like, there's women that fly planes.

04:22Why can't I fly planes?

04:23Well, we just don't allow that.

04:25At that point in time, I realized this is not very fair.

04:30Around the same time, what I really wanted out of life was to be in a band and see the world.

04:38But nothing's going to happen unless somebody goes out and gets the gigs.

04:43I needed to earn some money for music gear.

04:45The Fox Theater was a big old theater that didn't have that much business.

04:52I'd sell popcorn and make sure people weren't smoking in the theater.

04:58One time, I had seen someone going down under the stage.

05:03And that's where people would open the door and let their friends in.

05:06So I went down there.

05:09And I was grabbed from behind.

05:15I was so scared I couldn't even scream.

05:20This guy had his arm around my neck.

05:23And just let go just a little bit to kick that door.

05:30And I ran like hell.

05:32Back around the front to get in through the front door.

05:36I told my parents and the owner of the theater.

05:42They were saying, please don't report this.

05:46We're already having problems keeping this place open.

05:49I understood the reasoning.

05:53But it was kind of demeaning.

05:56My mom was approached by law enforcement.

06:00They said, we know this guy is in your area stalking women that have a certain appearance, which was the dark hair parted in the middle.

06:10They said he was stalking myself and one other girl that was also in high school.

06:17That person was Ted Bundy.

06:20Yeah.

06:22Today, Bundy was found guilty of yet another murder.

06:27Bundy is also a suspect in the sex lanes of three dozen other young women.

06:31Bundy has confessed to killing 20 more people.

06:34I remember very much wanting to get out of Centralia.

06:38I could see that the music business was moving fast in those days.

06:45Whether it was at the local college or whether it was at an arena, I would always go early to watch the band set up the gear.

06:56I try to go in and jam with the band.

07:00Ann can make friends in a second.

07:04She was more like a dolt about it even back then.

07:06The Dickie Betts band were having problems at that time with their keyboard player.

07:17Well, guess what? I knew how to play Jessica.

07:20So at Soundcheck I got to sit in and do Soundcheck with them.

07:28This is an opportunity and I'm not going to let it pass.

07:30I talked to a couple of the crew guys saying that I play bass and I play keyboards and I love to be touring around with the band.

07:42I was a senior in high school.

07:44I was a senior in high school.

07:46Probably 17.

07:51About a week later I get this call from a person named Kim Fowley.

07:55Kim Fowley was a very interesting character.

08:00He claimed to be Howard Hughes' son.

08:03He was involved in all kinds of strange activities.

08:07A lot of different ways that he could insert himself into the music business.

08:13Everybody made records in high school.

08:15We were always going down and trying to get record deals in the junior and senior years.

08:19He was putting a band together called The Runaways.

08:22Hello, Daddy. Hello, Mom.

08:25I'm your ch-ch-ch-ch-ch-ch.

08:28Jerry and Bob!

08:30And they were trying to put this band together and they already had a booking agent.

08:34But he said we've got a record deal on Mercury Records and we're in the middle of recording an album.

08:38We need a bass player.

08:40We're having problems with our bass player.

08:42Calm down.

08:44Who doesn't want to go to LA?

08:47My parents were not happy.

08:49You're in high school. You're a girl.

08:53You don't jump in your car by yourself and go to Los Angeles to be a rock star.

08:59This world can be a dangerous place.

09:02I already won a nutcase trying to grab her one night.

09:05If you go out with these guys, you'll be crossing state lines, calling the police. No way.

09:12I didn't want to lose an opportunity.

09:14I needed to be there now.

09:15The reaction was ugly.

09:21It became physical.

09:23My stepdad realized this has got out of control.

09:26Go.

09:28I think they were kind of hoping that she'll figure out that this is not going to be possible.

09:32You know, that she'll come back and we got it out of her system and it'll be all right.

09:38I remember getting off the freeway and seeing all the palm trees.

09:43I was told that when I got to LA that I needed to go to a specific pay phone that was in front of a grocery store.

09:52I made the call to Kim Valley and I had the impression that he was probably watching me.

09:57He said Fidelity Studios was where they were recording.

10:04It wasn't really like you would call an audition, you know.

10:07There were people that were coming in and out and I was goofing around on the piano. I remember that much.

10:16Kim Valley said, we need a bass player.

10:20I told Kim, I'm not a great bass player. I'm a much better keyboard player.

10:23And he said, don't worry about it. We've got a guy named Nigel and he plays behind the amps.

10:32I didn't want to be some person that's up there with a cardboard guitar pretending that I'm playing like I did when I was in grade school.

10:41I wanted to be really good.

10:42After Kim had me go to his apartment, I'd turn around, he's got his pants down, his wiener out.

10:55I told Kim, this ain't happening.

11:03If Kim Valley's bothering you or giving you a problem, just tell him to fuck off.

11:07That's all you needed to do.

11:10It's just what happened, you know, it's the 70s.

11:13And the thing that that taught me was, I need to be putting my own band together so I don't have to worry about some manager saying go out and stand and pretend like you're playing your instrument.

11:26In Los Angeles at that time, if you put a band together and you can draw a good crowd, record companies going to want to take advantage of that.

11:38Back then they were signing bands. I mean, everybody was getting, it was incredible.

11:43Armored Saint and Wasp and just the list is unbelievable.

11:48When I look back now, I didn't realize it then, like how much was really going on.

11:52I was in the middle of it, man.

11:56Rainbow, Roxy, whiskey, I worked them all.

11:59Central, Lingerie, Club Lingerie, Gazzaris.

12:05Back then it was a man's world, especially in heavy metal.

12:09Rock Asylum is a hot band from New York.

12:12I was just coming off the whole punk rock thing and I saw a big crowd out in front of the whiskey and I went, ooh, something different.

12:21is happening here.

12:23I'm touching everybody!

12:25Then I made Decline of Western Civilization Part 2 about the metal scene here in Hollywood.

12:34Thank you, good night!

12:36Where are you going to go now?

12:37What we're going to do is go fuck our brains out.

12:38That's what we're going to fucking do.

12:40Hollywood, USA, baby!

12:42All of a sudden, the girls became extremely feminine and sexy.

12:49And the guys started looking like girls.

12:52At the same time, it was perceived as such a dude thing.

12:56You know, metal was for guys.

12:59This is the way you want to live, then you can live like this.

13:01And we can safely say that since this is a documentary film that you actually do live like this.

13:08As often as I can.

13:11There were very few girl bands, metal bands back then, very few.

13:17Musicians are opportunists.

13:18And when there's a certain genre and there's a certain momentum happening, it does not last forever.

13:25The clock was just ticking.

13:27I had a 4th of July party at this house I was renting.

13:32I said, let's get some people together and let's just play.

13:37We'll take turns singing.

13:38I've got a pretty low voice for Woman.

13:43So I was the one that could sing your Black Sabbath and your Dio and your ACDC and Scorpions and things.

13:51Where it was ironic that the guys, they could sing the Tom Petty or the Uriah Heat.

14:01We kept doing the party every couple of weeks and it got bigger and bigger.

14:05After we got a note in the mailbox, called us a bunch of Hellions.

14:12We thought that's a great name for a band.

14:15Modern phase of science

14:20Could not have destroyed the knowledge of the past

14:26I remember hearing Hellion and going, who the hell is that?

14:30Oils in candle burning bright

14:32She had such a different style of voice.

14:37So raw and so dangerous.

14:40I started doing club dates with them.

14:43The troubadour, the whiskey and all those LA hangouts.

14:48The shows were intense and it was really all her.

14:51It was all Anne.

14:52I think the audience felt that Anne was on to something.

15:12I think everybody felt that they were on the verge of something happening that was going to be new.

15:16I'd never heard anything like Anne.

15:20She does not have a voice that is typical of most female singers, not even typical of most male singers.

15:26And she put it out there unapologetically.

15:29I saw an ad in Music Connection that said heavy metal intern.

15:34This is exactly what I was looking for.

15:36Hellion was really taking off.

15:39We made a demo tape.

15:43We were selling them at the shows and we'd sell as many of them as we'd bring.

15:47That's when things really started going.

15:51Our demo ended up landing on number six on the UK charts.

16:02I sold my keyboards to press our own records.

16:08The distributors were eating them up.

16:10They were buying them darn near as fast as we could press them.

16:12They said, you know, your record's doing pretty good.

16:18Can you bring us more?

16:20So we need to have a record deal very, very fast.

16:24But if you really want to make something happen, you've got to take some steps to do it.

16:30So we were doing showcases and stuff for record labels and all that and they clicked, man.

16:37We were doing a show at the Reseda Country Club.

16:39All the record labels were there.

16:43I remember being really nervous.

16:46I'm backstage waiting to go on.

16:50The bouncer said, you're not supposed to be here.

16:54I said, oh yeah, I am.

16:56I'm the singer.

16:57I'm getting ready to go on stage.

16:59And he said, I've heard Hellion.

17:00They don't have a female singer.

17:02I get pushed into the, what was called the tuning room.

17:10The two guys start grabbing me and feeling me up.

17:14I took my knee and got one of them.

17:17Yeah.

17:18They responded like you would see in a cartoon with the two of them going heave, ho, out the back door as I went sliding on my hands and face.

17:31Meanwhile, my introduction team is playing.

17:38People are expecting me any moment to come on stage.

17:42What am I going to do?

17:43Kind of almost like my situation at the Fox Theater.

17:52Run around to the front.

17:55I ended up coming this time through the audience.

18:01We're talking about a rare talent that's being thrown into an alley and had to like crawl back to the audience to make her own show.

18:09She slayed it, man.

18:24She come out and there was take no prisoners.

18:26There is no reason for the foolish things you do.

18:31There's no excuses for bad luck that comes to you.

18:35She doesn't surrender.

18:37She knew what she had to offer and she just kept going.

18:41There's no forgiveness for a backstabber.

18:45Ann was the boss. She was the show.

18:48Just how it was. She was the show.

18:51Later on, you know, I realized I'm all skinned up and scratched up.

18:57People probably didn't even notice or thought it was part of the show.

18:59They just didn't see a woman as being anything other than maybe a fan or probably a groupie.

19:09It was par for the course.

19:13It's always been a brotherhood.

19:14When I was shooting all the music videos and music docs, I walked into his studio and these long haired dudes looked at me and they said, there's no way a woman is going to direct our music video.

19:29You know, and I would tell you the band's name, but you've never heard of them. Ha ha.

19:36When the metal scene exploded here in Hollywood, it was mostly guys.

19:45There were not a lot of women who were doing the same thing.

19:49Being a female and heavy metal, it was a novelty. The record companies didn't know what to do with me.

19:58The manager from Van Halen said, let me manage you.

20:02But, you know, you really need to get fake boobs and, you know, fix your nose and get your teeth done.

20:09I thought this is really stupid.

20:11You're just a body on stage fulfilling a job to be in a room.

20:19Everybody had a different idea about what needed to happen.

20:23Pat Benatar was, of course, very popular.

20:26We are yours.

20:30Heartache to heartache, we stand.

20:34People came around and said, we can make you the heavy metal Pat Benatar.

20:37Pat Benatar, the Bangles, Cyndi Lauper, female singers in the 80s were cute and pop, right?

20:49And Ann was cute, but she wasn't pop, right?

20:52And so executives in the music industry didn't really know what to do with Ann.

20:58I'd hear it all the time.

21:00You guys aren't going to get a deal with her.

21:02You're not going to get a deal with that girl.

21:07The scuttlebutts, they were in the other guy's ears talking about they needed a male singer.

21:14My job as the lead singer of the band was very much at risk.

21:19I met Ronnie James Deal at the 10K run.

21:32Ronnie and myself, we had a few things in common.

21:36Getting kicked out of bands, and the music business didn't have any faith in the image.

21:43They thought Ronnie was too short, but that first Dio album, it sold out like nobody's business.

21:54Ronnie James Deal was, in my opinion, the greatest metal singer of all time.

22:00He was massive back then, he was so big.

22:04Ronnie saw something that nobody else saw, and nobody else was willing to take a shot on.

22:10He gave me his phone number. He said, call me.

22:14But it was really because he'd asked if he could produce our band.

22:18Wendy Deal was, of course, Ronnie James Deal's wife.

22:21And she was starting a management company.

22:24Ronnie was really adamant about wanting to keep the band together with Ann singing,

22:29because she was a star.

22:31He liked her voice, and also her stage presence.

22:34She got great stage presence.

22:35We thought, with Ronnie producing the band, she can get a deal for Hellion.

22:40I know that that was a really special time for her, and for the band, to be working with Ronnie.

22:47I don't know where the wheels fell off on that.

22:51Right now, I have with me Ann Boleyn, who is the lead vocalist of Hellion.

22:55Hellion was discovered by Ronnie James Dio in 1984.

22:59We worked together for a while. It was great.

23:01Oh, so you're not working with him any longer?

23:02Not presently.

23:04Did you learn a lot?

23:05There was a new company in England called Music for Nations.

23:09They wanted to give us the same deal that Metallica had.

23:13I said, we got to do it.

23:16We absolutely have to do this.

23:18But our management company, when he'd deal on those folks,

23:23they didn't want to have the independent record deal.

23:25I unfortunately took the high road and said, no, let's get a bigger record deal.

23:33So that became a big problem.

23:35Because the guys were thinking, why don't we have a major record label?

23:39You're holding us back.

23:40No matter what we did, whether it was working with Dio or whether it was, you know, playing in front of, you know, all the people that we played in front of.

23:49A lot of the major record companies here in America were very hesitant about signing a band with a girl singer.

23:55And in the end, after hearing, no, we can't get a, you know, a deal with a female singer, they went off and started a group called Burn, which I wish, you know, the best of luck.

24:05I fired her out of her own band for the simple reason that she was a female.

24:16Tried to keep the name Hellion, but they ended up having to change it to Burn.

24:21They tried to take those songs because they didn't have songs.

24:25The songs that I wrote, the lyrics were replaced.

24:29They recorded over her vocal parts without any thought.

24:33It didn't occur to them that this was not going to work out well, and it did not.

24:38I remember them asking me about it and I was like,

24:41you sound like Whitesnake.

24:44I mean, it didn't do anything.

24:45It never got signed.

24:48Can you describe what the new band Burn was like?

24:51They were horrible.

24:53The band was horrible.

24:54I had nothing to do with them.

24:55Bonnie always used to say, you know, you just keep on and if you believe in yourself, just carry on because one day you'll get there.

25:04Anne's former lineup did get a guy singer and they were just another guy band.

25:10They failed to understand that they could have been on the verge of something better.

25:15A lot of people would just say, oh God, you know, I give up.

25:18Not Anne.

25:19I'm a big believer that in order to achieve anything that's really worthwhile, you've got to make sacrifices.

25:29So in comes the new Hellion.

25:31The new Hellion.

25:41When I met Anne, I had some sort of telepathical connection with her when I saw her.

25:46Chet Thompson is an amazing guitar player. He was trained by Randy Rhodes and he had some just skills that I've never seen before.

26:00He has this one thing where he plays the guitar upside down and did the tapping and just remarkable guitar player.

26:07Everybody's wondering how he plays that guitar that way. Chet Thompson.

26:13The great thing about joining Hellion was Anne wanted a completely different type of sound because she was evolving into what she would eventually become and so was I as a guitar player.

26:22So we were both on the same journey. Let's get heavier and darker and more heavy metal orchestrated and see what we can come up with.

26:37We created the first material for Screams in the Night. It was obvious we were on to something.

26:42The Mach 2 version of Hellion was heavier but more melodic than the original version.

27:01Hellion, it was still Anne. It was just, she got three incredible musicians to back her.

27:12Chet Thompson, Alex, and Greg Pekka.

27:17Don't turn me back.

27:19No staging fight.

27:21Now this is really my life.

27:26I remember they came in for a rehearsal and I was just blown away.

27:33Anne and I would alternate. She would come in and do vocals. I would come and do guitars.

27:37For her to sing the lighting had to be dark. Candles had to be lit.

27:42So I would be doing my leads in that same dark with the candles.

27:50With Anne's range, I could exercise all my wide variety of range on guitar with heavy metal and classical and she could hang and just sing to all of it.

28:01And it was just great. So the sky was the limit.

28:05In the sky my hand, like my destiny.

28:10In the limit to your door.

28:14Watching them play, they were so good. They were so good.

28:18I miss it. I miss it. I miss it. I wish I could go back.

28:25When we were done, we came out, there was like all these people listening by the door.

28:30That album Screams in the Night, just one of my favorites to this day.

28:34Anything that was not where we wanted to head and knew and kept us focused like a laser.

28:49The music industry killed itself.

28:53In Los Angeles, the record companies signed bands that had a certain formula.

28:58And that was, you know, bands with really cute looking guys.

29:05Hello, suckers.

29:07And give us your money.

29:09She was like, you know, dammit, if they don't take me, I'm gonna make my own record label.

29:13Who in their right mind wants to do that?

29:17At that time, that was unheard of.

29:19Even Sharon Osbourne, Wendy, they didn't have their own labels.

29:23Nobody did that.

29:24I started the record label to put some Hellion music up.

29:30It was selling enough at one point where we could like subsidize our rehearsal room rents and things like that.

29:36And we're not talking like living off of it or anything, but it was doing well.

29:41I had people wanting more.

29:43And I didn't have any money to go out and record bands' albums or anything.

29:49But I sure knew a lot of bands that had demo tapes.

29:53So we started putting together compilation albums.

29:58She'd get all these cassettes in and give them a chance to be heard.

30:02We were running the record company out of a one-bedroom apartment.

30:06Within the six-month period, we moved to Floyd Street in Burbank, where we had office space and also warehouse space.

30:13So things were really taking off.

30:17We were doing it not because of money necessarily, because we wanted to do something and create something and have something happen.

30:27We knew that Bad Attitude, that was a song that we could do something with.

30:30Bad Attitude was a song that we wrote for the purpose of hopefully this will be a commercial enough song to get it on the air.

30:41We did a video. People thought this was crazy.

30:45At that time period, videos cost hundreds of thousands of dollars to shoot well.

30:50It was a 14, 16-hour day. And, you know, we had the dry ice and all this stuff going.

30:57And I know there was a part where Ann had to fall on her knees.

31:02And she must have done it 40, 50 times.

31:05It was a long, long day, but we were so proud.

31:09We had a sense of satisfaction for the team of people that were working with us and lots of people working for nothing.

31:19I was at a party and somebody said, hey, dude, you're on TV.

31:28There we were, Hellion on MTV.

31:30I couldn't believe it.

31:49I just remember people telling me that they'd seen it.

31:54I was shocked.

31:57I had the TV on and it just kept coming on and coming on.

32:05They played her, gosh, at least once an hour.

32:10You know, when you got into heavy rotation on MTV, that was saying something.

32:18It was the fire that ignited our career.

32:29MTV played a huge part in boosting Hellion to the forefront of metal.

32:35Nobody's fooled, I got a bad attitude.

32:39And it really elevated Ann because people could now put a face to the music.

32:49It was definitely a breakthrough.

32:52Especially in America, that really helped us.

32:54Things were just starting to go good.

32:57I got tons of endorsements.

33:00I got free guitars, free amps, magazine ads.

33:05It was great for me.

33:07The success led to great things for the guys in the band and then other things for Ann.

33:14You have creepy guys that call you late at night.

33:23Messages from staff saying this person came by and they were asking them for details about when you're coming in.

33:30After she gained a certain amount of celebrity, that came on real fast.

33:35These fans might walk into the dressing room or hug Ann or grab her.

33:42There was a lot of that going on.

33:46We did have a couple fans that they knew she and I were generally together.

33:51If they pounded on her door and got in a response, they'd be pounding on my door.

33:56It's frightening.

33:58It's insulting to be treated like that just because you're a woman trying to rock.

34:02I remember one of our first arena shows and the limo was followed all the way back to the house.

34:13And then after that, I started getting roses, dead roses left at the door.

34:21Just all kinds of weird stuff.

34:24While all this stuff's going on, you've got people that don't necessarily believe you.

34:30The police were always thinking of an alternative reason for you to go and make a report.

34:37What are you trying to hide? Are you pregnant?

34:41You know, stuff like that.

34:43You know, we're two intelligent women telling them, look, this is something really creepy and wrong.

34:49They didn't take it very serious.

34:52And I was frightened. I was frightened for her.

34:54I'm telling a couple of guys, this is what's going on.

34:59And the response was, well, if it's that serious, why don't you tell me and I'll go out and kill them.

35:04You've got to watch yourself.

35:09The reality is in the music business is probably any woman would tell you there's always that male attraction.

35:18You know, the woman unfortunately has to a precarious path to balance.

35:23I think that the unknown of it was one of the worst things.

35:31You know, you walk up to your vehicle wondering if somebody's in it, behind it.

35:36Wondering if somebody's been inside your apartment.

35:39Going in your apartment and seeing that things have been moved.

35:50You really don't know what someone could do.

36:00Any time that I'm at a gig is an invitation to come into my house or do some creepy things.

36:06They know you're not home.

36:09I just remember that it was always dangerous, you know.

36:13And meanwhile, the pressure started happening again from the band.

36:18Why don't we have a major record label?

36:21We've got this video on MTV.

36:24We should be on a big label, not your stupid record label.

36:28People are in your ear, you know, we should have been on tour by now.

36:31We should have been doing the album by now.

36:33Yeah, it became, you know, a pressure situation.

36:37You talk amongst the band, but you leave Ann out of it.

36:42And then it's like, you know, maybe we should leave, right?

36:45Maybe everybody else is right.

36:50And then in comes Nirvana and heavy metal.

36:54It was regarded as passe.

36:55You market yourself and there's no MTV and no radio playing you anymore.

37:01The grunge scene came in and that wiped everything out.

37:05I mean, any type of heavy metal, done.

37:08You might as well just pack it up and go home, you know.

37:12And a lot of them did.

37:13I said, yeah!

37:15Yeah!

37:17Yeah!

37:19Yeah!

37:21Oh, man, I think you guys should do better than that.

37:24The 90s were really hard.

37:26And I still had some stalkers.

37:31I wasn't as safe as I'd been when I was doing big shows and when we were on MTV.

37:37There was two creeps at the same time that were particularly scary.

37:43One of them made it known that he was hiring a private detective to follow me

37:47and intended to take me back to his home country.

37:50And he planned on basically throwing in her car and taking her to the airport.

37:54And the police got involved in that and they said, this is no joke, lady.

38:00Things had been disappearing out of my place, such as my passport.

38:06Sure enough, I had one of them come to my door, fiddling with the keys.

38:12This person had somehow convinced the building manager that he was the owner of the unit.

38:22But I changed the locks.

38:25I remember her calling.

38:27We jumped in the car, it was only a couple blocks away,

38:30and we were there running up with a tire iron.

38:32The guy barely got scared off.

38:33I mean, we're talking about persistence.

38:38The police asked me if he had anything around his waist.

38:42I said, yeah, he does.

38:44And it looked to me like it was the type of fanny pack you have with a gun.

38:49The police said he was probably going there to kill himself and you.

38:53It came to a point where I'm not going to put myself in danger.

38:59I've done that. I've got to do something different.

39:02If a creative person makes music or movies their self-definition, they're off the track.

39:12Because that's not who a person is.

39:17You've got to be your normal, pure self and be happy with that.

39:23Without having to be rich and famous and successful.

39:28Just try to make a living, pay the grocery bill, you know?

39:30You just don't think someone like her is ever going to stop.

39:37But she became a lawyer. Like, I didn't expect that.

39:41I went to law school.

39:44What else are you going to do? Life's short.

39:47Anna went to junior college and then UCLA and then law school.

39:54When Anna went back to school, I went back to school and got my MBA.

39:58Now I'm her law clerk.

40:03She knows what it's like to be sometimes the odd person out

40:07or not to be treated correctly, to be devalued.

40:11I've experienced all kinds of discrimination, I guess.

40:14Things that just aren't fair.

40:17This guy said, you know, you'd be really good doing this employment law.

40:22When you've got a worker who was fired because they reported harassment

40:27or they reported being assaulted.

40:30You've got somebody that is trying to turn around.

40:33Oh, we're firing you because you clocked in late.

40:37I like those cases.

40:40You didn't want to mess with her on stage.

40:42I don't think he'd want to mess with her as an attorney either.

40:46She's a tough lady, man. She's a tough lady.

40:49Ann handled a case for my sister-in-law who got screwed out of a job

40:55and they tried not to pay her.

40:57No attorney would touch it because it was a hard case.

41:03Ann won the case and got more than they ever expected to get.

41:07I mean, she killed it.

41:10My sister-in-law loves Ann.

41:13I mean, you say something about Ann, you probably have to fight her.

41:17She'll be by herself and there'll be like 30 lawyers in the room, but she's fearless.

41:23She don't care. She just focuses on her client.

41:27We met in 2012 at the Playboy Mansion.

41:34We just got along really well straight away and it's been going on like that for 12 years now.

41:41We went out with Hellion in 2014.

41:46Ann has an amazing stage presence.

41:51She's up there singing her heart out, which is the kind of singers I've usually been associated with.

42:00Brian Johnson's and Ronnie, of course, and she's a great front person.

42:03Kind of weird, you know, we still would have people that would show up with their tattoos of Hellion on their arms and people would be bringing their kids.

42:17They'd say things like, you know, this was my hero.

42:22I think Hellion should have been a huge band.

42:31Both lineups were excellent.

42:34Really good quality first-rate stuff.

42:38I think when Ann left the music industry, I think they really lost out.

42:44They should have got a major record deal.

42:47They should have made it.

42:48The stupidity behind the former lineup and our lineup is we fail to realize if we just had a male singer, then we would just be another band.

43:03If we would have just held on a little bit more to the uniqueness, we would have made it through even greater success.

43:10She was way ahead of her time.

43:13And a lot of these other singers got all the accolades and all that.

43:16But if it wasn't for Ann, they wouldn't have gotten to where they were.