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00:01:13Hello, everyone! Welcome to another Christitutionalist Politics Podcast.
00:01:22Although, if you see behind the scenes, you can see the backdrop.
00:01:26We dropped the word politics, but politics is still implied in the fact that
00:01:32Christian Judeo-Christian Ethos Foundation's Constitution, right?
00:01:39So, it's still implied. At any rate, that's off the beaten path already.
00:01:44Welcome to my guest today, Douglas William L., right?
00:01:50Can I call you Doug?
00:01:52That's right. Yes, please.
00:01:54I'm glad to be here.
00:01:56Like the old video game, Dig Doug.
00:01:59Speaking up of digging up old things, like an old video game, that's why you're here.
00:02:10The Science of Archaeology Proving Biblical Reality.
00:02:16Absolutely, positively, I know Pastor Richard Clark Dietering used to be host of A Moment of Clarity
00:02:24on Wham Radio here in Michigan.
00:02:29He had a side effect from one of the jabs, myocarditis, so he's retired now, but he still delves in archaeology
00:02:40to a little bit of a degree.
00:02:43So, when I saw your bio said that, I said, oh, I definitely want to talk to this guy.
00:02:50I don't want to talk to my friend Richard.
00:02:51I've talked to him enough.
00:02:53So, welcome to the show, Doug L.
00:03:03First, let's start with the usual kind of background stuff, right?
00:03:09Where were you born?
00:03:10Where were you raised?
00:03:12Where are you now?
00:03:13How much time in prison did you spend for what crime?
00:03:17All that, you know, that good stuff.
00:03:19Hey, I appreciate the soft lead in.
00:03:26Yeah.
00:03:28So, I grew up in Connecticut in a Christian family.
00:03:35But when I got to high school, I considered myself an atheist because I thought that science
00:03:44was against God.
00:03:46And I was fed a bunch of nonsense about life could have started by chance.
00:03:51You know, some stuff about life was an accidental byproduct of a dirty pond.
00:03:58You know, do you ever see that thing?
00:04:01I love that.
00:04:03It takes more of a leap of faith to believe everything came from nothing than it does that it was created.
00:04:14God can explain the Big Bang.
00:04:17The Big Bang can't explain God.
00:04:19Well, you know, there's even a...
00:04:23So, you ever watch that Disney movie, Fantasia?
00:04:28Oh, yes.
00:04:29Of course.
00:04:30So, there's a scene in the movie, and it's been a while since the last time I saw it, but
00:04:35there's Stravinsky's Rite of Spring where I think a lightning hits a pond and life starts.
00:04:41So, it's a bunch of BS, to use a fairly acceptable term.
00:04:48Where did the pond come from?
00:04:50Where did the lightning come from?
00:04:52Right?
00:04:52Yeah.
00:04:54So, anyhow, I swallowed that nonsense.
00:04:59And I was really nerdy growing up.
00:05:04I mean, I'm nerdy now, but I was really nerdy.
00:05:07You know, I always felt if you looked at the definition of the word nerd, and if you looked
00:05:13it up in the dictionary, they should have had my picture, because that was me in high
00:05:16school, you know?
00:05:18And I went to MIT, double majored in math and physics, graduated early, studied theoretical
00:05:25math.
00:05:26Anyhow, to speed this up a little bit, I took a wrong turn and became a lawyer, but ain't
00:05:31nobody's perfect, right?
00:05:33Oh, yeah.
00:05:34Well, try to not hold that against you.
00:05:37Yeah, I appreciate it.
00:05:39I appreciate this being an open program, right?
00:05:42All kinds of people, even lawyers.
00:05:44So, my son was born, and my wife said, we should get the kid baptized.
00:05:53Now, me being a devoted, card-carrying atheist, I immediately said, yes, dear.
00:06:00I mean, who needs that fight, right?
00:06:02So, we went to get the kid baptized, and I tell you, I felt something in that church.
00:06:11I mean, those people had a peace and a serenity.
00:06:14You know, and I was hitting the material, and it's pretty good.
00:06:18You know, the money and the career and all that kind of nonsense.
00:06:23Things that we think will be fulfilling, but ultimately still leave you empty.
00:06:28Yes.
00:06:30Right.
00:06:30Absolutely.
00:06:31You said that perfectly.
00:06:33I mean, and these people had something I didn't have, so I wanted it.
00:06:36And I told myself, well, you know, Doug, you like to think you're a smart guy, so you can't
00:06:43believe in this fairy tale God stuff unless there's scientific evidence for it.
00:06:48And that started me on a journey.
00:06:51It's been 40-plus years, and it's been the most amazing roller coaster ride you can imagine.
00:06:59What I have found is just there's so much out there that not only disproves, but just totally
00:07:07destroys this nonsense that you can get something from nothing.
00:07:11That's laws of physics.
00:07:13But the more obvious one is you can't get the technology by accident.
00:07:18Nobody's ever seen technology arise by accident, okay?
00:07:22And the most advanced technology in the universe is in our bodies.
00:07:29Those are two, to me, are two indisputable facts we can go into if you want.
00:07:33So, yeah, oh, I just got entered, right?
00:07:38In the winter, oh, did you make the snowman up front?
00:07:43No.
00:07:43It just miraculously all accumulated into a shape of a snowman from the falling nothingness.
00:07:51Yeah.
00:07:51And then the other thing is you mentioned the lawyer.
00:07:55I missed the chant.
00:07:57I could never pass the chant on puns.
00:08:00It reminds me of the Jim Carrey movie, Liar, Liar.
00:08:04Were you a lawyer or a liar?
00:08:06Or are they not really a lot of the times one or the same?
00:08:10And then the other thing is your story is nowhere close to the same as Lee Strobel.
00:08:16But do you remember the – I wasn't a New York Times guy?
00:08:20Yeah, I read his books and I watched his movie.
00:08:24Yeah.
00:08:25Yeah, his problem was with the resurrection.
00:08:28So, he did a historical dig into it and became utterly convinced.
00:08:35Certainly, the resurrection was a real event.
00:08:37I mean, A, it changed history more than any other event on the planet by far.
00:08:42Two, it's all over the Roman records if you really want to look at it.
00:08:47And three, this nonsense that people made up the story.
00:08:52Do you know what they did to you if they caught you believing in the story?
00:08:56Right.
00:08:57Right.
00:08:58I mean –
00:08:58They strung you up also.
00:09:00And since you mentioned that you saw Lee Strobel's – the movie, The Case for Christ, based on Lee Strobel's true story, one of my favorite Christian movies is a film called Risen.
00:09:14There's also a sci-fi movie by the same name.
00:09:17I'm not – I'm talking about the Christian one, Risen, which is through the eyes of a Roman soldier that was there and, indeed, where'd the body go?
00:09:31And he's text with – well, prove that they stole the body.
00:09:36But, no, and in the end of the film, he's a believer, too, because he was there.
00:09:44He lived – as you said, the Roman record makes it clear.
00:09:49It's like, again, something doesn't come from nothing, and the nothing can't just completely disappear without evidence unless if there's, indeed, the real resurrection and the whole argument over the shroud of terror.
00:10:04And, you know, having tested parts that may have been a patch.
00:10:09And science isn't perfect, either.
00:10:13The whole notion of our carbon dating of things, I think we can, at times, get in the ballpark.
00:10:21But I also think we can be fooled because real carbon dating can only be known if all the time periods throughout that, the known carbon levels and everything going on is a known factual quantity.
00:10:42And even with, you know, going back to the ice cores and stuff, I think we derive a lot of information.
00:10:51But we're still guessing.
00:10:54It's still scientific theory.
00:10:57It can't be proven unless we make a time machine and can go back and see it for ourselves.
00:11:05Well, you raised a lot of great issues.
00:11:10I mean, I'm convinced the shroud of terror is real.
00:11:14There's absolutely no doubt about it in my mind.
00:11:16I mean, some material got thrown on it in the Middle Ages, and when they tested it, they said, gee, it's the Middle Ages fake.
00:11:23But there's other material on it that goes back originally.
00:11:26It contains seeds and, you know, hidden within the fabrics that were only present in the Middle Ages at that time.
00:11:33Seeds and fibers.
00:11:33Yes, exactly.
00:11:35Exactly.
00:11:36You and I are here.
00:11:38Again, God can explain science because God created all the laws of science.
00:11:45Science cannot explain and especially cannot dismiss God.
00:11:50God, and that's not getting into the whole aliens thing because I've got a whole episode, right?
00:11:58Genesis does not say, and God created life on Earth and only on Earth created life he.
00:12:05It doesn't say that.
00:12:08It doesn't preclude other life other places.
00:12:13In fact, the Nephilim are mentioned in there.
00:12:17How do you explain that?
00:12:19And, oh, where was I again?
00:12:23Oh, the angels, the archangels are both part physical and spiritual, and they predated Terra, the Earth, the creation of the Earth.
00:12:37They were at God's side when the Earth was created.
00:12:41De facto, that makes them extraterrestrial by definition.
00:12:49Yes?
00:12:51Absolutely.
00:12:51Yeah, I mean, yes, I think there are angels, there are demons, and which are fallen angels.
00:12:59I mean, God created them, and the Bible is absolutely right on that.
00:13:03Have you ever read any of the stories of exorcists?
00:13:07I don't remember the name of the book offhand, but these stories will make the hair stand up on your head.
00:13:15I don't have as many hairs these days, but the stories are amazing.
00:13:19See, I've got none left.
00:13:21I had leukemia in 2010, and once the hair came out, I decided I'm going to save a ton on shampoo and conditioner and just shave it, right?
00:13:30But, yeah, I don't read them.
00:13:33I don't see those movies.
00:13:35I understand it.
00:13:37I believe there are cases of it.
00:13:39I believe there are fraudulent cases, too, because people can make money on it.
00:13:44But there are real cases all through time.
00:13:48And, indeed, I don't read them.
00:13:50I don't see the movies because it scares the bejesus out of me.
00:13:54Very scary.
00:13:57Can we go back to your carbon dating?
00:13:59Please, by all means.
00:14:01You're here to talk science, yes.
00:14:03Well, let's start with that.
00:14:05A lot of people think carbon dating just proves the Bible.
00:14:12Now, carbon dating, let's say you walk into a bathroom, and it's got a tub.
00:14:20And you instantly know, don't ask me how, but you know that the tub has 30 gallons of water in it, and the water is flowing in at the rate of 5 gallons a minute.
00:14:31Okay?
00:14:32So, most people would immediately do the math and say, well, so I ask how long has the faucet been on?
00:14:38Most people are immediately going to say, well, 30 gallons, 5 gallons a minute.
00:14:42It's been on for 6 minutes, right?
00:14:45That's how they do carbon dating.
00:14:47Now, let's look at that.
00:14:48There's assumptions in there, okay?
00:14:51First of all, how do you know the tub was empty?
00:14:54Yeah, assumptions, exactly.
00:14:56How do you know you started with an empty tub?
00:14:58How do you know that the water didn't, you know, has been constant at the same time?
00:15:04And how do you know there isn't a drain or some sort of leak at the bottom of the tub?
00:15:09You can get any answer you want out of carbon dating by changing those assumptions.
00:15:14And that's basically, the mathematics is a little bit different because it's exponential, but it's the same concept.
00:15:24Now, let's look at what scientists have found about carbon dating.
00:15:27I love how you explained that.
00:15:32That was the most commonsensical, reasoned thought, yet basic level of understandable discussion on that topic.
00:15:47Well, thank you.
00:15:49And it's the same with the radio metric, you know, the radioactivity dating.
00:15:54But let's stick with carbon dating.
00:15:56Now, let's look at some scientific facts.
00:15:59Okay.
00:16:00All carbon dating, you know, it's based on half-lives.
00:16:05Every 5,800 years, you lose half of your carbon.
00:16:09But those aren't perfect either, right?
00:16:11Now, it's very clear that after 50,000 years, and certainly after 100,000 years, no doubt about it, there is no detector on Earth that could measure any carbon-14 in anything over 100,000 years, okay?
00:16:28Okay, so people dig up dinosaur bones, dinosaur fossils, all of them have carbon-14 in them.
00:16:38And some of the, you know, and don't tell me it was all, you know, some groundwater contamination.
00:16:45That makes no sense in the variety of facilities.
00:16:48Let's look at diamonds.
00:16:50Diamonds are supposed to be billions of years old.
00:16:54All diamonds contain carbon-14.
00:16:56Now, diamond is a pretty hard substance.
00:17:00So don't tell me the water is leaking into it.
00:17:02I mean, it's pretty hard to get inside a diamond, okay?
00:17:05And I can give you a lot of other examples.
00:17:08But the point is, if you really look at the science and not the assumptions and the pictures people give you, and that's just one little area.
00:17:19But, I mean, there's so much there.
00:17:21Can I go back to life?
00:17:22Yeah, well, before you do that, I've got to ask your crazy question.
00:17:27Because one of my most popular shows, the two most popular shows I have in my three years of doing this are both attached to science in some way.
00:17:41My overall, without question, number one show is a head-on flat earth, Dave.
00:17:51Is the earth flat or round?
00:17:55Of course the earth is round.
00:17:58You can see the shadow on the moon sometimes.
00:18:01I mean, come on.
00:18:02That's been known from the beginning.
00:18:04Yeah, he was a great guest, though.
00:18:07If you get the chance to watch, you've got to watch it on video because he presents some things that you've got to see that, you know, don't translate real well over the 25-plus audio platforms I'm on.
00:18:23But if you get a chance to see that, he was a great guest.
00:18:28You know, I gave him as much rope as he wanted to hang himself with, you know.
00:18:34And it was a blast.
00:18:35It was a great show.
00:18:37I loved having him.
00:18:38I'd love to have him back.
00:18:40But, yeah, as a Christian show, my other, my second most popular show was one called, What Color is the Sky, Really?
00:18:51And if your answer is blue, you're indoctrinated.
00:18:54It appears blue at times because of the reflective nature of our waters.
00:19:02Sometimes it looks green if it's storming.
00:19:05Sometimes it looks orange.
00:19:07Sometimes you look up at night, it looks black, but it's not black either.
00:19:14The real answer is the sky is opaque.
00:19:18You look up at night, you see nothingness.
00:19:21You see blackness, the absence and the devoid of all light.
00:19:27But look up during the day from Mars, you're going to see a red sky, not a blue sky.
00:19:33So the answer is opaque.
00:19:35So I'm willing to bet this will probably, dealing in science, be my third most popular show in no time.
00:19:44So back to life.
00:19:47All right.
00:19:47Back to life.
00:19:49So let's look at how life works.
00:19:52Very simple terms.
00:19:53And then let's look at this nonsense that I call the Darwinian delusion, which all the top biologists know doesn't work now, but you don't read that in the newspaper.
00:20:05But let's look at how life works.
00:20:07So the biggest discovery, certainly in biology in the last hundred years and probably ever, is that life works off digital code.
00:20:17OK, and it's called DNA.
00:20:21Everybody's heard of DNA.
00:20:23DNA is a code with four groups of atoms.
00:20:27OK, now code.
00:20:28There's.
00:20:28Well, you and I are talking to each other over digital code right now.
00:20:34Yeah, I'm a former IT guy.
00:20:36Yeah.
00:20:37I'm into science and indeed code.
00:20:39And indeed, you, AI is both good, bad and ugly, right?
00:20:45Because it is just code, garbage in, garbage out.
00:20:49It's only as good as we humans have coded it, allowed it to be.
00:20:56So we've got code.
00:20:57Every living thing's got code.
00:20:59It's got the DNA.
00:21:01All right.
00:21:01And by the way, another example of code is every system of writing ever developed is digital code.
00:21:08OK, every single, every language from hieroglyphics to English letters and whatever.
00:21:14All right.
00:21:14So we have code within us.
00:21:17Human beings have three point two billion with a B letters of this DNA code.
00:21:22And every almost every one of our maybe 30 trillion with a T cells make fantastic numbers that point to God.
00:21:29Now, let's fast forward from the discovery of DNA to 1953 to 2011, when 400 of the world's top scientists worldwide released the first results from something called the ENCODE project, E-N-C-O-D-E project, a project to decode the human DNA, the human genome.
00:21:54OK, so this is published, 30 papers, major papers, groundbreaking, breaking papers worldwide.
00:22:03What did they tell us?
00:22:06400 top scientists.
00:22:07OK, nobody's ever disputed these conclusions.
00:22:10First of all, the code is pretty much fully functional.
00:22:14It's not garbage junk DNA like you might might read in some old textbooks or whatever.
00:22:19OK, we don't know what all of it does, but it is fully functional.
00:22:23And by the way, Bill Gates basically said something like DNA is like computer code, only it's far, far more advanced than anything human beings have ever built.
00:22:33OK, so now we'll go back to these 400 scientists.
00:22:36They also tell us that the code contains at least two different layers of information.
00:22:43In other words, there's code within code.
00:22:45All right.
00:22:48And here's here's another.
00:22:49And there's redundancy for when things go wrong, to a degree.
00:22:54It's fantastic.
00:22:55And they found, for example, and this was on the front page of the New York Times, that we human beings have in our DNA code.
00:23:04We have four million switches that turn things on and off.
00:23:09I mean, there's a heck of a lot of design inside our body.
00:23:12OK, so.
00:23:16The nobody's you cannot get.
00:23:21Even a decent stretch of working code by chance.
00:23:26OK.
00:23:27Try writing down 100 random spaces and letters and see if they make any sort of English sentence.
00:23:35The odds that they view are about.
00:23:37The old Darwinian notion of eventually if you sit down a million monkeys at typewriters, you'll get Shakespeare out of it.
00:23:47No.
00:23:48No.
00:23:49No.
00:23:49And actually, I have a book out, my new book.
00:23:52It's a graphic novel because I've aimed it at a younger audience.
00:23:56But it's called The God Proofs.
00:23:58That makes fun of that idea.
00:23:59The odds of getting 100 English spaces and letters to make any sort of sense and have any sort of grammatical correction are like picking a marble out of a pile the size of the universe.
00:24:12Yeah.
00:24:12And it's also, like I said, a former IT guy, like assembly code, zeros and ones, binary language code.
00:24:21The chance that you randomly throw zeros and ones together and could ever get anything functional out of it is impossible.
00:24:31Now, you said something important.
00:24:34You keep saying design, right?
00:24:36Intelligent design, and I love, oh, I forget his name, the guy that played the teacher in Bueller, right?
00:24:45Yep, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller.
00:24:48You remember the guy I'm talking about who did Expelled, No Intelligence Allowed, right?
00:24:55Yeah.
00:24:56Intelligent design.
00:24:57How the complexities of an eye to be able to develop a new sight, the muscles, the nerves, the complexity of their, the odds of that randomly evolving by chance are nil.
00:25:18They're just, you know, slim to none and none is wave goodbye and already on the way out the building, right?
00:25:24But I dare say as science, there is such a thing, micro versus macro.
00:25:31We as humans are starting to live longer.
00:25:35That's a micro evolution.
00:25:37But to go from chimps to human macro evolution is nonsense.
00:25:44Now, we are getting living longer because why?
00:25:48Even though our diets are horrible now, they're infinitely better than what they were 200 years ago.
00:25:56And our modern medicine.
00:25:57Let me respond, if I could, to that because there's a lot of good points in there.
00:26:03On micro evolution, evolution just, the word evolve just means change.
00:26:10And the word evolution technically just means change over time.
00:26:15So everything, quote, evolves.
00:26:17There's a lot of evolution going on.
00:26:18But this idea that things are getting better is mathematically ridiculous.
00:26:24And let me give you an example.
00:26:25But first, we're living longer mostly because of the discovery in the antibiotics.
00:26:30Penicillin, aspirin, aspirin, aspirin, and penicillin, and we're getting better health.
00:26:38Not too many of us are working in coal mines these days, okay?
00:26:42So, but human beings are not getting smarter.
00:26:47And this is one of the, I think, incredible conceits of our...
00:26:52The joke, our phones are getting smarter and people are getting progressively dumber.
00:26:57Right, right.
00:27:00So let's go back to my 3.2 billion letters of code, okay?
00:27:05So if you take, imagine a really thick book with thin pages and two levels, two columns on each page, okay?
00:27:13And then put a thousand of them on top of each other.
00:27:16That's about 3.2 billion letters, maybe.
00:27:19Now, every generation, there's about 100 mistakes in the code, okay?
00:27:27And I've gone over this with a top Harvard chemist, and he agrees.
00:27:31Every generation, but...
00:27:32Now, so it's like you have a thousand of those books, and you put a hundred typos into them.
00:27:39Every generation.
00:27:41Now, there's a lot of redundancy, and we're pretty fancy design.
00:27:44So that doesn't mean that we collapse.
00:27:47But if you keep doing this, it's just common sense that the book is not going to get better, okay?
00:27:53And there is actually a very powerful computer program that simulates all these changes and mutations and shows that this...
00:28:05It's called Mendel's Accountant, if you want to look it up.
00:28:08Mendel was a geneticist.
00:28:10And none of the computer simulations get better.
00:28:16It's all going downhill.
00:28:17When you add typos to a book, the book does not get better.
00:28:22You can assume as much as you want about throwing away bad copies, but the book's not going to get better, okay?
00:28:29Well, today, of course, they don't want to throw away...
00:28:32They literally want to burn them and ban them.
00:28:35We're back to Nazi Germany.
00:28:39Science isn't science.
00:28:40It's all pseudoscience.
00:28:41Psychoscience bought and paid for on manipulated data.
00:28:47It's just incredible.
00:28:49So you have these...
00:28:50These are known facts, okay?
00:28:52And the Darwinists are shaking their head.
00:28:54Where did all this information come from that it takes to build a human being?
00:28:59I mean, so...
00:29:01You're a tech guy.
00:29:01You've heard of 3D printers, right?
00:29:03You put code in them.
00:29:05Pieces pop out.
00:29:06Okay.
00:29:07We have trillions of 3D printers in our bodies.
00:29:11But it still takes a design to tell the printer what to manufacture.
00:29:18So where did these fantastic 3D printers come from, okay?
00:29:24And, you know, so there's a section of the code called the gene that tells the 3D printer to build a part, which is called a protein.
00:29:33Simplifying a little bit, okay?
00:29:35And then there's very complicated software that the switches that say, now we need the new part.
00:29:45Here's how you put the parts together.
00:29:46Here's how you turn them on and off.
00:29:48It is complex beyond words.
00:29:53Where did all this information come from?
00:29:56So now let's look at the origin of life, if I could.
00:29:59And, you know, going back to my silly scene in Fantasia, you know, where the lightning strikes and suddenly there's lightning.
00:30:07Da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da-da!
00:30:10Yeah, I mean, that's, you know...
00:30:13Yeah, that might have been...
00:30:15Yeah.
00:30:16It's crazy.
00:30:17Stick with your emotion.
00:30:18Don't allow any thinking to be involved.
00:30:21Right.
00:30:22so what do you have to have to have life you have to have digital code in exactly the right order
00:30:28and that's impossible you have to have machines that can read the code you have to have machines
00:30:35that can copy the code and you have to have these 3d printers you have to have all of that and a lot
00:30:42much more like you know the mitra condia that is the energy factories in ourselves and so much more
00:30:48but you know all of that has to be present right from the beginning you can't say oh well some of
00:30:54it came up in this dirty pond and some of it was in that dirty pond and somebody stirred it all
00:30:59together and you know suddenly uh you know frankenstein came out of the pond i mean it's
00:31:05such nonsense that any even even the simplest life has fantastically complicated code so when i read
00:31:14it was this the mathematics of getting code by chance by chance you know as a as a guy who
00:31:21majored in math and studied math for three years in graduate school it just hit me immediately you
00:31:27can't get this code by chance there's design and then when you look beyond it into the laws of physics
00:31:33i mean and you know i don't know if you've gotten into that on a program but the universe is designed
00:31:39for life to exist if you look at the constants of physics um yeah it's the other other argument for
00:31:48life elsewhere it's just it's too unbelievable that if it it to buy a darwinist argument that it would
00:31:59have only potentially accidentally primordial souped itself here it's just silly you know we could talk for
00:32:09six hours six days six weeks six months there's no way in hell that exists we could cover it all but
00:32:20time is flying by and we haven't really got into archaeology like discovering we think we found sodom and
00:32:31gomorrah we think we found this we think we found that they still insist they think they still found the
00:32:38place of noah's ark resting place but yet a lot of the governments like erdogan being islamic
00:32:46fundamentalist doesn't want anybody at those places to prove it uh archaeology though is proving aspects of
00:32:57the bible the bible as a real telling of history not allegorical nonsense you know children's uh
00:33:09nursery rhyme stories yes absolutely let me share with you what i consider the major archaeological
00:33:17discovery uh supporting the bible and one of the major ones ever and i discussed this with scott
00:33:25sterpling who you may know uh incredibly uh talented archaeologist so he leads expedition to israel and
00:33:36he found on on a hill exactly where the bible predicted it something called a curse tablet i don't know if
00:33:43you're familiar with this now what's a curse tablet well if you read uh i think it's in the book of
00:33:51kings maybe first king not sure uh when joshua goes into the promised land god says put blessings on one
00:34:01mountain and curses on the other okay it sounds a little weird but hey i don't tell god what to do he
00:34:07doesn't tell me why so uh right we are but children that's it kills me about people in the bible too that
00:34:16you know the whole again back to aliens well the bible doesn't specifically say again genesis doesn't
00:34:23say god created life on earth and earning life he and there's the whole nephilim exclusion or preclusion
00:34:31does not mean exclusion we are but children to what god is you don't teach give a four-year-old war and
00:34:42peace you give them dr seuss we are but children there are more testaments yet to come when we will be
00:34:51ready to handle them
00:34:56absolutely i mean this so people used to think that so so joshua is doing this about 1400 years before christ
00:35:04okay he's conquering uh and by the way they they know where the jews lived in egypt um and and so on
00:35:13so he gets to so bible says do this so scott sterpling and his team uh supported by associates um
00:35:23for biblical research um they have this this magazine bible and spade which i would uh i would highly
00:35:30recommend if you don't subscribe to it get bible and spade the art the biblical archaeology is
00:35:36fantastic anyhow scott's scott sterpling's team finds on a hill a cursed tablet it's a piece of
00:35:44folded lead maybe an inch square i'm i'm not sure exactly but it takes them two three years to read
00:35:51the tablet because you just can't bend it open all right they've got to do this incredible x-ray
00:35:56computer analysis to figure out exactly yeah modern technology we again with all our modern technology
00:36:06are only scratching the surface because as you like with the dead sea scrolls now imaging being able to
00:36:14image and x-ray and and all kinds of x-rays gamma rays this ray that ray to penetrate all the levels of
00:36:25these things because as you said they're too fragile to unroll but we're able to now understand more
00:36:33of them through our technology please continue your story i i know exactly what you're talking about here
00:36:40yeah and so it takes them like three years and they and they find inside this tablet curses okay and the
00:36:51so-called secular geniuses would tell you that the hebrews didn't even know how to write at that time
00:36:56hello um you know that moses couldn't have wrote the book of the bible because he didn't know how to write
00:37:02what nonsense uh and it also contains in the tablet i think three times the word yahweh which is god's gives
00:37:12that's the name god gives to moses on the mountain which means i am and to me the closest translation of
00:37:19yahweh is when god's asked for his name he's saying i am existence okay and that's powerful that's
00:37:27profound so now you have archaeological evidence that joshua planted on the mountain just like it
00:37:35says in the bible oh no that that that's just coincidental randomness
00:37:41yeah i i know i know i know and and yeah it's coincidental randomness i mean you have to have a lot of
00:37:50that's what they'll argue of course but it is it's it is way beyond all these things they dismiss as
00:37:58somehow coincidence or randomness the statistical odds the people who claim to be science but yet refute the
00:38:09mathematics of the statistical odds of it happening coincidentally and randomly they completely
00:38:17ignore yeah i mean that's one i mean you may know they found they figured out where sodom was and they
00:38:25found fused glass uh something pretty powerful struck it and wiped it out yeah oh they blame that on an
00:38:32earlier nuclear blast right as yeah yeah i mean and and so it's there's the science there's the archaeology
00:38:44it's all coming together okay i mean it actually has come together it's just yeah you got to look at it
00:38:50and you gotta you gotta look at it with an open mind right well we're going back to i mean copernicus time
00:38:58uh uh oh i can picture sir isaac newton i mean biblical scholars engaging in science then
00:39:10imagine where we've come now compared to their days and imagine i i wish i at times i wish i don't want to
00:39:20live to 100 but there are other times i wish i could live to 250 right i wish i could be put into a
00:39:27cryogenic chamber and awakened 100 years from now because i can only i well it's like the uh bill bill
00:39:36mallard song right i can only imagine what it'll be like when i go to heaven and actually you know
00:39:42will i fall uh whatever do you like the mercy me song i can only imagine i can't imagine what we will
00:39:52know 100 250 years from now if we keep up the trueness to understanding both how bible and science
00:40:04indeed come together they don't rise apart absolutely science is if you look at it correctly and with an
00:40:15open mind and look at the facts science proves to me the existence of a designer both in the universe
00:40:24and in every kind of life and you know let's talk about where science came from because as much as we
00:40:32like to think that it was all you know a bunch of white dudes in europe were the smartest people on the
00:40:37earth uh you know let's let's be a little honest okay there have been smart people all over the planet
00:40:43since the beginning of time yeah algebra didn't come from the white guys no i mean you know the chinese
00:40:52were so far ahead of europeans in so many ways uh you know they uh so why they discovered uh the americas
00:41:02before columbus did but then when they when they got back with this huge fleet the next emperor uh didn't
00:41:08like it so he just told them to destroy all the records people the point is we have science i would
00:41:15argue and and i didn't make this up believe me there's a lot of smart people believe this is true
00:41:22we have science because of jesus christ it's the belief that the universe is rational that made these
00:41:28great scientists galileo newton kepler whatever want to know how god did it and that's the basis for the
00:41:36scientific revolution and it got twisted into this concept that suddenly you don't need god and there's
00:41:45no basis for that there's no explanation for why anything exists without god do you to your
00:41:51discussion about the discovering of america uh it had been rediscovered several times it's not like it
00:42:01wasn't ever i mean we've got maps that are 1500 years old go back before columbus and they're maps of
00:42:12all the continents including the antarctic continent as a green continent as a navigable continent
00:42:22those aren't just science fiction things that didn't exist they've existed but my some modern
00:42:29scientists so wrapped in the my theory has to be right have to ignore all that evidence
00:42:39absolutely there are maps that show the coastline of antarctica okay which we didn't know until
00:42:47recently because it's hidden under all that ice today so they had to have mapped it shortly after the
00:42:54flood within a couple hundred years before the only the before the uh ice caps formed only noah's flood
00:43:02explains how you get ice sheets two miles high you need hot oceans okay all over the world and you need
00:43:10volcanic ash so so the oceans are getting volcanic ash causing yeah volcanic ash causing a form of a
00:43:21nuclear winter that can freeze yeah a nuclear winter that lasts for centuries yeah okay so you get ice
00:43:29that's two miles thick there's no other explanation there is no secular explanation for how you get these
00:43:37ice and and they come up with these weird theory that maybe the earth wobbles a little bit i mean
00:43:43that's ridiculous uh there's so much that actually when you look at it supports the bible i think we live
00:43:50in a wondrous time because we now have the ability to challenge this nonsense that things can come about
00:43:58by chance and we have all these wonderful facts like you say um it's yeah as i said we could talk six hours
00:44:09six days six months we would never go through it all but i do want to wrap it up because the longer the
00:44:17show the fewer the viewers i call it today's twitter attention span right everybody wants the cliff
00:44:25nose version do you have now obviously we want people to check out the graphic novel god proofs
00:44:34adults or children alike but do you have a website that you could point i do i do thank you it's the
00:44:42title of my first book counting to god counting to god uh dot com and i have a website and i post blogs
00:44:53uh i don't do it regularly but you know a half a dozen maybe a year and i've done it for a number of years
00:45:01years and it'll also have you know when i launched my book counting to god i gave us a talk at mit
00:45:09my old alma mater and at the i think it was basically and i can't prove this but it might have been the
00:45:18first time anybody was ever invited to that kind of a level of an academic institution to present the
00:45:25scientific evidence for god and there were very smart people in the audience and a lot of them
00:45:32were so blind and i i find it astonishing that you know people that are that are smart are blind but
00:45:38you know saint paul wrote uh in his letter to the romans claiming to be wise they became fools
00:45:44and still with us two thousand years later yeah and they did the saying none so blind as those who
00:45:51refuse to see they refuse to see well it's there uh so go to counting to god dot com uh if you want
00:45:59to learn more okay thank you dougla uh yeah i want to get to the middle name and douglas william l uh
00:46:09doug as in dig doug dougl thank you so much for i definitely going to want to have you back sometime
00:46:17because again yeah six hours six days six months would only scratch the surface thank you for coming
00:46:27i would love to be back thank you for having me it's been so much fun take care god bless
00:46:32hello everyone a brief video exclusive and yes the funky beret avatar effects i'll say why in a minute but
00:46:50i was just out at a restaurant and someone was talking to me about my show and the topic of the two
00:47:01most popular episodes came up well first let me back up uh in 2022 when i started the show i did a show
00:47:12there's a little bit of the video lag here because i think of the the avatar special effect but at any
00:47:20rate uh where was i oh 2022 i did an early sub segment that was tacked on to some of the shows the
00:47:30top three platforms my show was listened to back then it was buzzsprout i heart radio and player fm
00:47:42i've not bothered to look today in 2025 if you know maybe another platform is more than i heart or more than
00:47:53player fm but buzzsprout certainly makes sense because that's where the show is actually housed parked servered
00:48:04however you wish to say it
00:48:06uh but it's carried via buzzsprout it goes out to 25 plus audio platforms but two five video
00:48:19platforms bit shoot brightey on daily motion out of france hence being silly with the beret
00:48:31rumble and youtube and surprisingly youtube isn't where my most views for my behind the scenes sneak peek
00:48:43and or video exclusive videos are seen that's actually bit shoot uh at daily motion in france
00:48:54sad to say virtually nobody goes there but i still put them there hoping eventually maybe the videos will
00:49:03catch on and people start seeing them over in europe via daily motion in france at any rate
00:49:10and of course europe anywhere could see them on bit shoot brightey on rumble and youtube uh
00:49:19it's still a primarily audio platform across the 25 plus audio stations it's available
00:49:30but the number one show i want to mention is earth
00:49:37flat earth sphere with flat earth dave now it gets listened to a lot but that's a show you really really
00:49:48really need to see the video because dave presents his evidence in form of pictures and things like that that
00:50:01it's obviously better if you can see what he's presenting rather than listening to us try and explain
00:50:09what's being shown on the screen but yeah you can listen to it too uh
00:50:16bladder dave been on many shows so it's not like he's an exclusive to me you can find him elsewhere but
00:50:25that's the top downloaded or streamed on any and all platforms of my shows my second most one
00:50:35and a show that i don't know if i'm most proud of but it's way up the list of what i'm really proud of
00:50:43is what color is the sky really and if you pair it well it's blue if you make that declarative
00:50:56statement the sky is blue exclamation point no qualifiers
00:51:04i have to ask have you ever been out at night have you ever gone out of your house at night
00:51:13is the sky blue then but so yeah both of those shows kind of having to do with science not necessarily
00:51:22christianity or politics but what color of the sky is the sky really if you're saying well i don't need to
00:51:32watch or listen to that show now because i kind of gave it away you'd be wrong it's kind of analogous
00:51:42uh a bit of an example a quasi metaphor to set up and make another more important point so yes you should
00:51:54tune in for or go to bit shoot brighty on daily motion rumble or youtube and see what color is the sky really episode
00:52:09and of course uh if i you're on buzzsprout there's a send us a text send in your comments comment in a video
00:52:20uh please i'd like some feedback also if you're a regular you know occasionally i do listener feedback
00:52:30shows so unlike some i really really want your input at any rate i'm sure on the way home from the
00:52:42restaurant to here uh there were other things floating in my mind i wanted to say but that's the
00:52:50important things just something brief and short to the point you got to see these if this is your first
00:53:00uh opportunity coming across this show you don't know what you're missing now the what color is the
00:53:09sky episode is pretty much an exclusive you're only gonna get that talk here on christitutionalist
00:53:19politics podcast i've not appeared as a guest on any other show and discussed it i think maybe i've
00:53:25mentioned it on wham radio as a caller here in michigan wham radio out of ann arbor michigan i'm a regular
00:53:33caller uh occasionally i'll be a guest regarding one of my books but at any rate you're only really
00:53:42going to get that here so please and i hate to be one of those parrots right but oh back to what color
00:53:50is the sky right if you automatically parrot it's blue it's blue declarative statement you you've got to
00:53:57see the episode to get to the point of that well uh uh oh where was i going i've lost my train of
00:54:07thought now i thrown myself off the rails but you don't know what you're missing oh i get parrot right
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00:55:21in the heart of why and dot you
00:55:51He rose from the ashes
00:55:55With a voice like thunder
00:55:58That no one can clash with
00:56:08Born in the summer of 62
00:56:12A warrior spirit strong and true
00:56:15With a pen as his sword and ideas ablaze
00:56:19In the battle for truth
00:56:21He's setting the stage
00:56:23Joseph, Eleanor
00:56:25Hear the call of the slave
00:56:29Fighting for liberty
00:56:31Our rights to save
00:56:34From the shadows of doubt
00:56:36He's hiding away
00:56:40With honor and integrity
00:56:42He'll never sway
00:56:49In the realm of fiction
00:56:53He weaves his art
00:56:55A political thriller
00:56:57That tears you apart
00:56:58Terror strikes echo
00:57:00A warning to heed
00:57:02In a world of chaos
00:57:04He grants deceit
00:57:06Cancer came knocking
00:57:08But he stood tall
00:57:09A survivor spill
00:57:11He's stealing
00:57:12And a ride
00:57:13In the tale
00:57:14Joseph, Eleanor
00:57:15Hear the call
00:57:16Of the slave
00:57:20Fighting for liberty
00:57:22Our rights to save
00:57:25From the shadows of doubt
00:57:27He's lying away
00:57:30With honor and integrity
00:57:31He'll never sway
00:57:32Don't ever swing out
00:57:35But casserole in his voice rings clear
00:57:38In a symphony of truth we gather near
00:57:42Defending the constitution he leaves the crowd
00:57:46In the name of freedom he stands proud
00:58:02To raise up your voice let this anthem ignite
00:58:07For Joseph Leonard let's stand and unite
00:58:32For Joseph Leonard let's stand and unite
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