Warrington Wolves back Sam Burgess

Serious About Rugby League

Warrington Wolves backed Sam Burgess with a statement from the chairman last night but on Monday, the Serious About Rugby League team debated the Englishman's future on our new SARL Show. Here's what was said, do you agree...

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00:00Sam Burgess, Warrington

00:07Embarrassing defeat for them really on Friday night

00:11All credit to Salford

00:13They more than deserve it, the fans in particular

00:15But there's absolutely no way that Warrington should be getting beat by a Salford team

00:21We've seen umpteen players leave this season

00:24Where does Sam Burgess go from here?

00:27Back to Australia I should imagine

00:31Well that's the thing I was going to say about Australia

00:34Because he was effectively touting himself for the first job

00:38And I think if you look at that in hindsight

00:40I'm not sure it necessarily coincided with bad form

00:44But if you look now and think

00:46If you were to rank the 12 Super League coaches on how likely they were to get an NRL gig

00:51I'm not sure Sam Burgess would be in the top 6 really

00:53I don't think this season's gone well at all

00:57Even if they hadn't made the Challenge Cup final

01:00Would you be saying this was even worse than the Daryl Powell year

01:05When obviously they lost at 8 in a row or whatever

01:07I think you'd probably be looking at this as one of the worst in recent history

01:12I mean it already has been viewed in such a way

01:14But the Challenge Cup final kind of is the saviour

01:17And I mean again they were so unlucky to lose that

01:20They probably deserved it

01:22And who knows what would have gone differently had they won it

01:26But the fact is that they didn't

01:28And since then it's been sort of disaster after disaster

01:31I know they've had a lot of big season-ending injuries

01:34But a lot of other teams have as well

01:37And there's something not right about the team

01:39He's had Matt Dufty dropped

01:41Zane Musgrove was obviously released as well

01:44I think there's far bigger issues than losing to Salford

01:48Which sounds stupid in itself

01:50But I think there are far bigger issues

01:51Within the club internally and the squad and the coach

01:55George Williams sort of offering himself

01:58Or trying to make a move to the Dolphins as well

02:00I think there's

02:02I'm not sure where Sam Burgess goes next basically

02:05Yeah, Pete, do you agree with that?

02:10Yeah, I think one person who's come out of it very well

02:13Is Daryl Powell, really

02:15Because does anybody really think Daryl Powell was the problem

02:18Two years ago now?

02:20I don't think he was

02:21I think they should have stuck with him

02:22I think he'd have turned things around

02:24And sorted the culture out

02:25But that

02:27I mean, I don't know enough about the ins and outs of Warrington

02:30Really to say

02:32But it looks from the outside

02:33Like they do have an issue with culture

02:36If you like

02:38And they need probably a stronger

02:39An experienced coach

02:41To deal with that

02:44But

02:44It's not always easy

02:47That sort of thing

02:48There's often resistance to it

02:51And I think if they'd stuck with Daryl

02:53He would have turned things around

02:54But they chose to go in a different direction

02:56And to be fair

02:57Last year

02:58It looked like a gamble

03:00That was going to pay off

03:01Didn't it?

03:01They were very close

03:03To getting to the grand final

03:04Didn't quite do it

03:07In

03:07You might say

03:08Controversial circumstances

03:10But this year's been

03:12Just an utter disaster

03:13And

03:14I think

03:16It would be very hard

03:17For Sam to hang on

03:19Particularly with the fact that

03:20As

03:20Sam's just said

03:22You know

03:23We all know he was looking for a job

03:25In Australia

03:26He's been interviewed for a job

03:27In Australia

03:27Yeah

03:28Yeah

03:29And that's just

03:30That's not good is it?

03:32I mean

03:32I don't know

03:33What do you say to your players

03:35About

03:35Loyalty

03:37And giving everything to

03:38To the shirt

03:40When you're

03:40Looking to get out

03:41It's

03:42It's

03:42Not

03:43It's not a great look

03:44In my opinion

03:46Yeah just

03:46Just how

03:47Just how open he was about that

03:48And

03:49You could say the same about George Williams

03:50Looking at the NRL as well

03:52Do you think that's just sent off

03:53The complete wrong message

03:54Especially

03:55Coming off the back of Wembley

03:57And everything else

03:57Just since then

03:59It just seems to have fallen off a cliff

04:00Yeah I think he did send the wrong message

04:03Yeah I mean

04:03I think it's a bit different

04:04With George Williams

04:05As a player

04:06But when your coach is doing it

04:07It's

04:08It's not great is it?

04:11He's

04:11He's the leader

04:12He's the man who sets the standards

04:13And

04:14You know

04:16I'm sure coaches do it all the time

04:17But they don't do it

04:18As openly

04:19As

04:20As that

04:21And Sam doesn't look

04:24He obviously doesn't look happy

04:26Does he?

04:26It's

04:27It's taking its toll on him

04:28And you

04:29You know

04:30You think

04:31Well

04:31Maybe it's time

04:33That for both parties

04:34That

04:35They make a change

04:37Having said that

04:38Warrington have had a few coaches

04:40Haven't they

04:41Over the last

04:41Last few years

04:42They could do with some

04:43Some stability

04:45So it's a difficult one

04:46But I just can't see how

04:48Sam's going to be in charge next year

04:50Yeah

04:51The recruitment as well

04:53Over

04:53Over the last off-season

04:54Was pretty poor

04:56You know

04:56Dan Russell

04:56Alpha Johnson

04:57And

04:59And

04:59Leyland as well

05:01Sam B

05:02Do you think

05:03You know

05:03He was always up against it

05:04With that recruitment

05:05And

05:06Do you think

05:06If they're going to stick with him

05:08They need to really back him now?

05:12Yeah

05:12I think they do

05:12Like you said

05:13The recruitment

05:14Wasn't there

05:15This year

05:15But

05:17Yeah

05:18I think

05:18The culture needs to change

05:20As Pete said

05:21It's

05:21It's just gone downhill

05:22This year

05:23I mean

05:23Last year

05:24They were

05:24You know

05:25The best attacking

05:26And defensive side

05:28In the league

05:29This year

05:30You know

05:30They're like

05:31Eight

05:31They're the eighth in the league

05:33I think they conceded

05:35Double

05:35The amount of points

05:36Than they were

05:38This time last year

05:39So yeah

05:40The recruitment needs to be right

05:41Dufty has been dropped

05:43You know

05:44A couple of times this year

05:45There's a problem

05:47With the leadership

05:48Or the experienced squad

05:50Experienced players

05:51In that squad

05:52So yeah

05:53The recruitment

05:54There needs to be

05:55Big change

05:55At Wines for next year

05:56Just looking ahead

05:59To this week then

06:00Look

06:00I think Warrington

06:02Have got Lee

06:02Do they

06:03Can you see anyone

06:04Can anyone see a way

06:06In which they bounce back

06:07And surprise a few people?

06:10I mean

06:10I think they're going to

06:11Have to bounce back

06:12But I think

06:12Equally everyone said

06:13They were going to

06:14Bounce back after

06:14The loss to Huddersfield

06:16I think it's going to

06:18Like the training

06:19This week just has to be

06:20So stripped back

06:21And just kind of

06:22It's effort areas

06:23Don't try anything

06:25Effort areas

06:26And then you've got

06:27I know

06:27They handed out

06:28Three debuts last week

06:30Whether those players

06:31Play again

06:32I think

06:33Obviously they're not

06:33Part of the problem

06:34But whether you

06:35Throw them into the problem

06:36And kind of give them

06:37Sort of a bad experience

06:39Because I know that

06:39A lot of coaches

06:40Have obviously spoke

06:40This year about

06:41Particularly obviously

06:42Paul Rowley spoke about

06:43Not wanting to

06:44Sort of put young players

06:46Into those sort of situations

06:46He's been forced to

06:48Sam Burgess can kind of

06:50Stop that

06:51But then obviously

06:51That means relying on

06:52Those

06:53The experienced players

06:54Is potentially

06:55Not performed up to scratch

06:56So I think

06:57It's really tough

06:58But with Lee seeking

06:59Lee can still technically

07:01Come third

07:01So they're not going to

07:02Let off

07:03We saw what they did

07:04To Castleford last week

07:05I think

07:05It's another loss

07:07Coming

07:07And I think the fact

07:08That Warrington are at home

07:09Actually hurts them

07:10Because

07:11You heard the boos

07:12At the Hallowell Jones

07:13On Thursday night

07:14Half time

07:15Full time

07:16I don't think

07:17Home

07:18Is an advantage

07:19At the moment

07:20For Warrington

07:20Thankfully it's their

07:22Last home game

07:22Of the season

07:23So

07:24Like

07:24There may be some

07:25Sort of lenience

07:27With the fans

07:27In the sense

07:28That it is the final time

07:29They'll play there

07:30But

07:30I think

07:31If Lee Dirt win

07:33By more than 20

07:33I'd be surprised

07:34Great Pete

07:37Yeah

07:39You

07:40You never know

07:41Do you

07:42But

07:42Lee would be

07:44Very strong favourites

07:45I think

07:45They're in better form

07:47And they've got

07:47Everything to

07:48Everything to play for

07:49They're still chasing

07:51That third spot

07:52As Sam says

07:53And

07:54I just

07:55I just

07:56Think

07:57Warrington's season

07:57Finished

07:58I think it finished

07:59Bad luck

08:00Because it finished

08:00A few weeks ago

08:01But

08:02There'd have to be

08:05A massive improvement

08:06From what they showed

08:07Last week

08:08And I just

08:09Can't see any sign

08:10Of it coming

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