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Miami Dolphins are underdogs this weekend going up against the Indianapolis Colts, can the Fins make Playoffs this year? Tobin declares it a "Can't Lose" game for the Fins. What is the difference between "Can't Lose and Must Win?"
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00:00So the Dolphins are taking on the Colts this week,
00:02and they'll get into a full swing of this prep tomorrow.
00:05We did get good news on Devon HN yesterday,
00:09and this is, of course, on the road.
00:12Dolphins are a point-and-a-half underdog right now.
00:16Wow.
00:17People, they really don't think that highly of the Dolphins.
00:21They do not.
00:22I think they improved in areas they were poor in last year,
00:25and I think they're going to have a much better run game,
00:32which changes the dynamic of this team.
00:36So to say they're going to be the same team as last year is, you know.
00:42Yeah, I don't think there's a question that they could be –
00:45they definitely seem like they're tilting towards becoming more balanced,
00:49and I don't even necessarily – I think there's the first game we're going to really –
00:54I mean, they've got to win this game.
00:55I mean, people are going to freak out.
00:57People are going to freak out.
00:59People are going to freak out.
01:00Yeah, people are going to freak out.
01:02Because everybody's already in a point where it's either apathy
01:05or it's just being pissed off, like right now.
01:08So they need a big-time performance to kind of revitalize the fan base
01:13right out of the gate, to forget about all the angst, all the talk,
01:16because everything this entire offseason has been, you know,
01:20the team was run poorly last year.
01:25People were showing up whenever they wanted.
01:26They had all this talk this year about, you know, changing their culture.
01:30Yeah, you need to – so now you need to back it up with wins
01:32to see, like, any of that stuff matters.
01:34But I don't necessarily know if it's going to get anybody to be, like,
01:37true believers in the team unless, like, they beat Buffalo in week three.
01:41I would say I'm more along the lines of, and this sucks,
01:51but this is when I'll know this team is different.
01:55When you get to November and December and they can compete with any team.
02:01Right?
02:02Just the style of football that they play.
02:04I mean –
02:05All right, let me ask you this.
02:08By the way, can you do the spit, like, a little further away from the microphone?
02:13Like, that was really – that was really disgusting.
02:16Like, really, like, oof.
02:18That's a big time pass.
02:19I'm far away.
02:21Not far away enough.
02:22I got that good mic.
02:24Minus one.
02:25Because I don't have to see.
02:26I don't have to go like this into my mic.
02:29That never stops you.
02:30Okay.
02:31Well, perhaps – and this is just me –
02:34maybe not spit during the segment then if your mic is so good.
02:37Hold on, LeRae.
02:38Because you're kind of giving the look of, like, you don't care.
02:42But you kind of –
02:43No.
02:43You're going to do it.
02:43And also –
02:44No, no, no.
02:44I always care.
02:46I always care when Tolman says something, even though he thinks I don't.
02:49No, but, like, honestly, you leaned in, too.
02:52Like, it was –
02:53Yeah.
02:55Like –
02:56So, anyway, if I had to give you – if I had to give you one team where you
03:03have to pick two teams, like, usually it's four or five, who you would say,
03:10I think they'll definitely be in this year and they'll definitely be out.
03:14All right, well, let me look – let me bring up last year's playoffs.
03:23Talk so much yourselves, LeRae.
03:25Well, I'm just thinking, I can pretty much think of them right off hand.
03:28What, the teams that made the playoffs last year?
03:30Yeah.
03:30I can tell you right now.
03:32Yeah.
03:32The AFC was the Chiefs.
03:33Second was the Bills.
03:35Third were the Ravens.
03:37Fourth was the Texans.
03:39I'm not a Texans believer.
03:40No, he's believing.
03:41But I always feel like the South is the cop-out because that division –
03:44Well, the thing with the Texans were they had a lot of injuries at the end of the
03:47life.
03:48I believe in the Chargers.
03:49Chargers.
03:49Last year was the Chargers, Steelers, and the Broncos.
03:54Steelers made the playoffs last year?
03:56Yes, they did.
03:57They lost 10 wins.
03:58You know that's who I'm going with.
03:59So you think this is – because you hate Aaron Rodgers, that's why.
04:04Right.
04:04We all know that.
04:05Yeah, we know that.
04:05And then the NFC was Philly, Detroit, Tampa Bay, the Rams, the Commanders, Packers.
04:18I mean –
04:19I mean, there's somebody naturally in that north is going to have –
04:23is not going to be as good.
04:25And the Vikings.
04:25So it would be the Vikings to me since they lost Sam.
04:28And it's not three – three teams don't normally make it from a division.
04:32So one of those three, at least.
04:35It did last year.
04:37Who didn't make it?
04:38AFC West made – three teams made it from the AFC West.
04:40Yeah, the West and the North, both of them.
04:41And the North, right.
04:43So –
04:43It's happened.
04:44Yeah.
04:45Back-to-back years, though?
04:47I don't know.
04:50I mean, everybody's believing in the Bengals.
04:52They think they're going to jump up.
04:53They had nine wins last year and think they're going to be –
04:56Yeah, they think everybody's going to go 500.
04:58They gave up 200 –
04:59They gave up 200 yards rushing in a preseason game.
05:02I'm out.
05:03Okay.
05:06About 50 points in a preseason game.
05:08Were we supposed to be –
05:08Well, what about the Dolphins?
05:09Do you think the Dolphins are going to make the playoffs?
05:10How about we talk about what's here?
05:11Because they had eight wins last year.
05:13Two of them missed six games.
05:15So do you think they're a playoff team this year or not?
05:17You don't want to play that to win, that's a loss.
05:19It's finally a game week.
05:20I think they have 10 wins.
05:21Give me –
05:22I think they win 10 games.
05:24So you think they'll make the playoffs?
05:26If 10 wins makes the playoffs, yes.
05:28No 10-win team didn't make the playoffs last year.
05:30Right.
05:32Every one of the teams that won 10 last year made the playoffs.
05:34So they have to win three more games.
05:37No, they have to win two more games.
05:38Two more games.
05:38They were eight and nine.
05:40No.
05:41To get to the playoffs, they have to win three more.
05:44If no 10-17 made it.
05:46He said –
05:46I said every 10 and 17 made it.
05:48Oh, every – okay, yeah.
05:49So two more games.
05:50Yeah, they can win two more games.
05:53Yeah, I think they can win two more games.
05:55Right.
05:55I mean, it's not like the most – it's not the most –
05:59Because if two is out, you're built differently.
06:04You see what I mean?
06:06Yeah.
06:07You have to kind of build your team.
06:08If two is out, you still have a way of playing football.
06:11Last year, they didn't.
06:12Nope.
06:14No, it was terrible last year.
06:16Especially when Austin Jackson got hurt.
06:17The run game went to a complete bleep.
06:19Right.
06:20Now, can you stay healthy the whole year?
06:22That's always a question, obviously.
06:24But I do think, you know, having that young side of the left line feels better.
06:28Brewer, they're obviously super high on.
06:30Seems like Daniels is going to be good to go.
06:32Right.
06:34So, but I'm telling you, man, yeah, no team this week needs this for their fan base.
06:39Just to – just to – just to – maybe, I mean, you know, maybe Dallas is jumping off the roof right now.
06:44But I don't know.
06:45You're going up against the champs.
06:46The Dolphins – if the Dolphins were going up against the Bills week one and they get drubbed, I'd be like, all right, well, that just seems to be what happens.
06:52But you got a – you got a pretty modest start here on the road.
06:56And it's also not like you're going to some horrible environment.
07:00You're going to Indianapolis, dude.
07:01With Danny Dimes at QB.
07:04And I ain't exactly like their fan base is fired up.
07:08You know, unless you're like – unless they're going to be like – I guess they have the Jim Irsay thing.
07:12It's not going to be like a big thing.
07:13So maybe they'll have everybody there doing speeches and stuff like that for him.
07:20So I don't know if there's going to be like some big moral – I don't know – thing that they're going to do for him or whatnot.
07:25I would say that word with his name.
07:27I'm just saying – you know, like I don't know.
07:29They're going to do some kind of memorial type thing for him.
07:32Oh, memorial.
07:34Yeah.
07:35Oh, okay.
07:37I don't know.
07:38But I do know – and Mike McDaniel knows this – don't lose, dude.
07:42Like I don't – it's just one of these things where like I don't care that it's on the road.
07:46You're on the road in a dome in a place that's kind of eh in probably the weakest division in the AFC.
07:54Yeah, don't lose that game.
07:56You lose that game – if you lose that game, what are the games I have faith you're going to win?
07:59Not many.
08:02It's early.
08:05Great.
08:05Thank you, Leroy.
08:06I'm aware.
08:07It's week one.
08:08Did you guys know that?
08:09I didn't, but thank you so much.
08:11Leroy, if you can't beat the Colts, what team do you have faith they can beat?
08:14Not many.
08:16Because you would say the Colts are a bottom third team in the NFL.
08:19You would agree with that.
08:20Yes.
08:21Okay.
08:22So if you don't beat them – it's kind of like the thought with the Texans game last year.
08:26It's like the Dolphins could never beat playoff teams.
08:28Last year, you couldn't beat the Texans.
08:30You got drubbed by them.
08:31Now, you did have basically an accountant playing left tackle for you, but you couldn't beat the Texans last year, who were like the worst of the playoff teams.
08:39If you can't beat them, you can't beat any of the good teams.
08:41So if you're the Dolphins, you can't beat the Colts, what hope is there for this season?
08:47It's a new year, though.
08:49Okay.
08:50And so what's your hope going to be that they win if they can't win that game against that team?
09:00I mean, unless, like, Taylor's just going to run down their throat because they can't stop a nosebleed, but I think we all think pretty well of the front seven.
09:07That's what we've been hanging our hat on the entire time.
09:09So I don't know.
09:15I'm hopeful that I'm hopeful they canes it.
09:17I hope I'm hoping that they got dude running for his life, you know, and that they, they, they, they're stout against the run and that they can go and dictate it and then set up some bombs.
09:27Let's go.
09:29It ain't like they got, it ain't like they got guys we never heard of catching the football.
09:33They're not breaking the new receivers.
09:39You got any thoughts on the game, dude?
09:41Or, you know, are you someone talking about blue cheese and ranch?
09:44I seem like I got you.
09:46I'm listening to you because, like, here's the deal.
09:51I'm listening to you because I just think differently about how a season starts and how it finishes.
09:59And I'm not going to think, um, that, oh, no, here we go again after one loss.
10:09I'm just not.
10:11Why?
10:14Because the season's long.
10:16It's three months long.
10:17I mean, the, the, the, the team, the, but Leroy, we don't, I get it.
10:22That's why I'm staying out of it.
10:25Okay.
10:26Well, you're not allowed to stay out of it.
10:27It's time.
10:27It's time to do.
10:28I just think you're crazy putting all that on one game.
10:31I don't know.
10:31You don't get to sit out.
10:32Let me ask you this.
10:35Can they make the playoffs by beating the Colts?
10:38No.
10:39Then how can they not make it by losing?
10:41Because they got to tack on as many.
10:44How can it not be the other way?
10:46That's all I'm saying.
10:46Okay.
10:47So if they end the season and they are nine and eight and we can look back and say, man,
10:50it should have beat the Colts.
10:51Yeah.
10:52You're not ready to test the Titans game.
10:53You'll do that.
10:54You'll do that after the season though.
10:56Okay.
10:57Yes.
10:57That's how it works.
10:58You accumulate wins.
11:00I, I, do you understand what you just said?
11:03That can they make the playoffs losing the week one?
11:07Yes.
11:08But does it count?
11:09No, it does.
11:10Of course it counts.
11:11I'm not saying they don't count.
11:13Okay.
11:13But I'm saying, how can you say if they,
11:16lose, they can still make the playoffs, but they better win.
11:20No, I didn't say they better win.
11:22I said, don't lose.
11:25This is how this conversation goes.
11:26I didn't say it was a must win.
11:30Okay.
11:30I said, don't lose.
11:33It's not the same.
11:34I don't understand you guys.
11:35We've been doing this a very long time.
11:37And I, and I, I really think like it's, it's, it's almost embarrassing how you guys can't
11:41put your minds around this between the difference between a don't lose and a must win.
11:45It's really, it's, it's crazy to me.
11:47So it's like a result here.
11:50Question.
11:51Are the results the same?
11:54What do you mean?
11:54Wins and losses?
11:56No.
11:58A must win and a don't lose.
12:01The results you're demanding are the same.
12:03No.
12:04Well, they both have the result result win.
12:08Nope.
12:08Not at all.
12:09No, they don't have the result in win.
12:11A don't lose.
12:12Don't, don't lose means you must win.
12:15No.
12:16Then it means you can't lose.
12:19So you must win.
12:21Right.
12:21You must win is you must win.
12:24Like there is no tomorrow.
12:25It's a must win.
12:26That's why, that's why I was quiet.
12:29If I tell you, you can't lose.
12:32Right.
12:33Right.
12:33I'm going to say I must win.
12:35No.
12:36It's not a must win.
12:37It'd be ridiculous to say a week.
12:38One is a must win.
12:39That's silly.
12:40You guys, you would sound ridiculous.
12:41Right now you're also saying if they don't win week one, that they're not going to be
12:45able to make playoffs.
12:46No, no, no.
12:47Well, that's not what I said.
12:48He, no, no.
12:49He said, do the Dolphins make the playoffs if they win?
12:52Which obviously they don't because they would be one to know.
12:54But it's still out.
12:56Do they not make it if they lose?
12:59No.
12:59But if you can't, but if you don't beat the Colts, who will you beat?
13:05Ergo, why it's a don't lose.
13:07You already know.
13:08The season is long.
13:10Tobin, there's 16 of the games.
13:12It goes fast.
13:13It's long, but it goes fast.
13:14Wait, what?
13:15The season is long, but it goes fast.
13:17I'm going to let you give him a minus 20 meters.
13:18No, I'm not getting a minus one because you guys can't keep up.
13:22Dude, if I can't lose, that means I must win.
13:26No.
13:28Ridiculous.
13:28The season's not over.
13:29Wait, I must tie?
13:31No.
13:31Okay.
13:31Do you guys not different?
13:33You must do things that are good.
13:36When you do things, you must do things.
13:41That's a requirement.
13:42Okay?
13:44So you're requiring.
13:45So the season will mathematically be over.
13:47That's a must win.
13:49Okay?
13:50It's a must win.
13:52But we're in week one.
13:55Welcome to my world.
13:57It's not just.
13:58Now you want to talk.
14:00So we're sitting here at week one.
14:03We're setting the tone for the year.
14:06Don't lose.
14:10It would be ridiculous to say.
14:12You know, if there's 16 games.
14:15If there's 16 games.
14:17And 32 Tobins saying the same thing.
14:22There's not 32 Tobins saying the same thing.
14:26Because we talked about this last hour.
14:28About what matchups there are.
14:30You just said.
14:31Are the team.
14:32Is there any team that has real expectations?
14:34You brought this up.
14:35Any team that has real expectations.
14:36That if they were to lose week one.
14:38That their fan base would be freaking out.
14:40And the answer was.
14:41No.
14:41Not really.
14:42Maybe Dallas.
14:43But they shouldn't have expectations.
14:44They're going against a team that they're 8 point underdogs against.
14:47The Miami Dolphins.
14:49Have the most pressure on them.
14:50Based on the mood of their fan base.
14:53For the opponent they're taking on.
14:55Which is opponent.
14:56We all think.
14:57They should probably be.
14:58It's a bottom third of the roster.
15:00I would say.
15:01That.
15:02Cincinnati has more pressure.
15:05Why?
15:06Simply because.
15:08The way that the team itself.
15:09Set up the start of the season.
15:11If they didn't come out and lose.
15:15Right.
15:16That's a bad look.
15:17The way you have claimed.
15:19We got to get off the fast start.
15:20We going to work.
15:21We going to do this.
15:22And we're going to get off to a quicker start.
15:25I would agree.
15:26That if Cincinnati lost to the Browns.
15:27That they would probably be freaking out.
15:29But I don't think it's at the level of the Dolphins.
15:30Because I don't think anybody thinks that Zach Taylor.
15:32Is under the same amount of pressure.
15:34That Mike McDaniel is under.
15:36Really?
15:37Yeah.
15:38Hmm.
15:39Because.
15:40He does have.
15:41Supposedly one of the top three quarterbacks in the league.
15:44He does.
15:44But how many.
15:45How many.
15:45How many times.
15:46And how many lists have you seen in this offseason.
15:48Calling for the job of Zach Taylor.
15:49Other.
15:51Yeah.
15:51Not many.
15:52Yeah.
15:53Because Cincinnati.
15:54Cincinnati.
15:55He's been to a Super Bowl as a head coach.
15:56Not many people have.
15:58You know.
15:59These.
15:59I mean.
16:00They wanted to fire the Eagles coach.
16:01He's been to a Super Bowl too.
16:02Fine.
16:03I mean.
16:03I'm sure.
16:04That's Philadelphia.
16:05It's a very rational fan base.
16:06But again.
16:11You guys have danced around this to try and make it something that it's not.
16:13It's not a must win.
16:14It's week one.
16:15But it's a don't lose.
16:17I love how you can say that.
16:19I love how you can just like.
16:20I don't get it.
16:22It's very simple.
16:24It's very simple.
16:25And you guys are making it complex.
16:27No.
16:28No.
16:28Yeah.
16:29No.
16:30No.
16:30Your tomfoolery is making it complex.
16:37There's no tomfoolery.
16:39I mean.
16:39Dude.
16:40There's three of us here looking at you.
16:42If I came here today.
16:43You got three heads.
16:45No.
16:45I get what he's saying.
16:46Because it's not hard.
16:47I get what he's saying.
16:48But the thing about it is.
16:50If you can't lose.
16:52Then what's the opposite of you can't lose?
16:55Gotta win.
16:56The must win.
16:57But what he's trying to say.
16:58You can say gotta win.
16:59I mean if you wanted to say Godwin must win.
17:01Too strong.
17:03That's what it is.
17:04Semantics.
17:05Semantics summarize.
17:06That's it.
17:06This isn't semantics.
17:07Words matter.
17:08It does.
17:09Words matter.
17:10Pulling them out.
17:11Go ahead.
17:11Pull them out.
17:13Oh.
17:13The blade?
17:14Yeah.
17:14Pull out the blades.
17:15But you guys.
17:16You guys are making.
17:17You think it's a small difference.
17:19And it's not.
17:20Things being a requirement.
17:21And some things that would be nice.
17:23Are.
17:24There's a difference there.
17:25Why don't you say.
17:26It would be nice.
17:26If they could start the season off with a win.
17:29You could.
17:30But it's just.
17:30It doesn't have the same.
17:31I guess.
17:32Gravitas.
17:33It doesn't have the same.
17:34Oh my God.
17:34Captivization.
17:35That it would for.
17:36For.
17:36For a don't lose.
17:37I love gravitas.
17:38That's a great word.
17:39Yeah.
17:39So like.
17:40You're.
17:40You know.
17:40Like.
17:40Hey guys.
17:41It's a gotta win.
17:42Huh?
17:43All right.
17:44That ain't exactly win one for the Gipper dude.
17:46I don't know what to tell you.
17:47But hey.
17:47Guys.
17:48This is don't lose.
17:49All right.
17:50We get it.
17:50There's urgency there.
17:52There's urgency.
17:53Not requirement.
17:54Which a must win would be.
17:57But there is urgency Jennifer.
17:59In a don't lose.
18:02So let me ask you this.
18:03And I want you to pontificate on this.
18:06As we go to break.
18:07Mm-hmm.
18:08Say the Dolphins lose on Sunday.
18:11Yep.
18:12Does week two versus the Patriots at home become.
18:15What does that become?
18:16Good question Vlad.
18:18I will think about that.
18:20It's hard to live in hypotheticals.
18:23I will.
18:24I will ponder that.
18:25Okay.
18:25I will.
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