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At the SCO summit in Tianjin, Prime Minister Narendra Modi, Chinese President Xi Jinping, and Russian President Vladimir Putin arrived together, drawing attention with a warm exchange marked by handshakes and light conversation. The display of camaraderie stood out, with Modi and Putin later sharing a warm hug at the venue.
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00:00:00Good morning, viewers. This is our special broadcast as Prime Minister Modi begins his much-anticipated address at the SCO Summit.
00:00:11But few minutes ago, it was this image which is being watched very closely, and it is being read in multiple ways.
00:00:20The meeting between Prime Minister Modi, Xi Jinping, and Vladimir Putin at the SCO Summit in Tianjin was more than just a gathering of three powerful world leaders.
00:00:32It was a masterful display of coordinated diplomacy, a united message broadcasted to the West that the rising powers of Asia and Eurasia are determined to chart their own course.
00:00:47In the grand halls of Tianjin, as these leaders shook hands, shared laughs, and spoke candidly, the symbolism was unmistakable.
00:01:00No longer rivals, but partners with shared interests and a vision for a more multipolar order.
00:01:08It's being called the Tianjin moment.
00:01:12Three leaders representing the world's largest democracy, its most populous nation, and a resurgent Eurasian power sit together, side by side, refusing to be defined by old divisions or Western expectations.
00:01:31Believe you me, this is the image which is being watched very, very closely.
00:01:35Global headlines are swirling with the shadow of Trump's tariffs and renewed strategic competition.
00:01:43Prime Minister Modi, Xi Jinping, and Vladimir Putin have spoken in one voice.
00:01:49The era of Western economic hegemony and unilateral power is fading.
00:01:56Their handshake is not just about regional security or trade.
00:02:00It's about respect for sovereignty, local priorities, and the right of every nation to have a seat at the table, not as junior partners, but as architects of their own futures.
00:02:14This is our top focus, even as we wait for the big headlines to emerge from the Prime Minister's address at the SCO Summit.
00:02:21Let me bring in Geetha Mohan, who's joining me now, and also Gaurav Savant.
00:02:26Also on this special broadcast is Ambassador Vina Sikri, Seema Sirohi, columnist and author, and Ambassador Anil Trigunayat.
00:02:37But first up, let me bring in Geetha.
00:02:39Geetha, every frame in that interaction which has happened is being watched.
00:02:46We were all waiting for that, and it has emerged.
00:02:49Geetha, every frame in that interaction which has happened is being watched.
00:03:19There's nothing new that's coming in now.
00:03:20China's Xi Jinping has slammed bullying behavior in world order at the summit, which has been attended by 20 world leaders, including Vladimir Putin and Prime Minister Modi.
00:03:32Xi Jinping has said, we uphold justice and fairness and oppose hegemony and power politics.
00:03:38He has gone on to say that this is not about rivals.
00:03:44We are partners.
00:03:45That is the big message that is coming in from Xi Jinping with his equation with India.
00:03:51India and China sending that message that this is about looking for convergences, that this is about not looking at their equation from the third lens.
00:04:02The global situation, remember, remains volatile and turbulent.
00:04:06Xi Jinping saying that all SEO members are friends and partners and they are not rivals.
00:04:12Xi Jinping has called for the creation of an SEO development bank as soon as possible.
00:04:17I think that's going to be the big takeaway from this summit, one of the possible outcomes of this summit, where the host nation, that is China, has called for the creation of a development bank as soon as possible, along with a new center to address security challenges.
00:04:33The combined economies, remember, of the SEO countries, are nearing $30 trillion, with the organization's global economic influence growing.
00:04:43So the big message, I would say, is going to be about multiple messaging which has emerged.
00:04:51Ambassador Anil Trigunayat is with us.
00:04:54Ambassador Anil Trigunayat, would you say that the big takeaway this morning would be of these, you know, power leaders having that conversation, of course, a bit of a laugh, but handshake?
00:05:08Indeed, I think this is the RIC movement, you can call it, which a lot of people have been talking about, whether the three leaders can come together in a sort of a summit, even though it is a pull-aside.
00:05:19But I think it is very significant, especially in the context of Prime Minister Modi's visit, this time to China, and yesterday's bilateral, that was very clear, cogent, succinct, and I would say very candid, in which the red lines of both sides were very clearly identified that we need to work together.
00:05:40That was the thing, vital partnership is what is important.
00:05:44As far as Russia is concerned, it has always been a time-tested, trusted partner.
00:05:49Russia's interest has always been that the differences between India and China should be minimized to a greater extent, and they have also worked towards that.
00:05:58And I think that it is an important meeting, and especially the Shanghai Corporation Organization has to address the realities and challenges that are confronting today's world, which is highly turbulent.
00:06:14But at the same time, in my view, overall, while we will continue to see a lot of talks and changes that will take place, whether it's creation of altered institutions, like Shanghai Bank, or like BRICS and others, are eventually going to have some kind of overlapping in these organizational structures.
00:06:35What I think is most important is that the countries have to be extremely serious about one of the biggest challenges that faces India and the world, and that is terrorism.
00:06:47I mean, there can't be any duplicity, there can't be anything of obfuscation of that.
00:06:51And that should come through, I hope, in the leaders' statement.
00:06:55It comes out very clearly.
00:06:57And that would really put some of our concerns at rest.
00:07:01As far as bilateral relationship, I believe is now going to move on.
00:07:05There is, we have a $100 billion difference trade deficit with China, roughly about that.
00:07:12And we have our trade with USA for about 85%.
00:07:16So our $40 billion trade is going to be impacted by the Trump tariffs.
00:07:22And if Russia, if China, Russia, and other countries start importing more from India, I think we'll be able to absorb the hit very quickly.
00:07:31Would you say, Ambassador Tregunayat, that this messaging is about an alternative, that these three power centers are now taking on the hegemony of the West?
00:07:47Will the West be seeing it this way?
00:07:49Will the Trump administration be reading it this way?
00:07:51Well, let me tell you one thing that when Prime Minister Pramokov of Russia had envisaged this RIC partnership, Russia-India-China, and I was in Russia at the time.
00:08:04And I think that at that time, India's perception was that we cannot be seen as a part of a bloc.
00:08:11So India is against the bloc, bloc culture.
00:08:15And therefore, I don't see that we are looking at it as something of an anti-West.
00:08:19But as India sees it, it is non-Western.
00:08:23But from China and Russia's perspective, you might say that this would be a display of their strength as two powerful countries.
00:08:34But India combined with them as a country would actually be, it could be an alternative in the sense that it is, Asia is in any case becoming in a strategic economic pivot.
00:08:47And of course, technologically, if we advance further, then obviously there would be some kind of a situation that the Western countries may not like very much.
00:08:56But at this moment, I don't see this emerging as a bloc.
00:09:00I would say it is a non-Western alternative.
00:09:02Okay. So it's an alternative, not really a bloc here.
00:09:06That's an interesting distinction that you're making, sir.
00:09:08In terms of this rearrangement, I would say, or re-engagement which is happening between India and China,
00:09:17even as we wait for that bilateral to happen between Prime Minister Modi and Vladimir Putin,
00:09:23what do you think will be the big signal which has come out of, you know, Modi and Xi meeting?
00:09:30I think that this meeting, its pretext was written in Kazan.
00:09:36And I think what since then we have seen so many meetings have taken place and already institutional mechanisms have been established in order to address the border issues, border management that was also talked about.
00:09:51One of the key things that India also raised in this was balancing the trade with China.
00:09:56And the Chinese are open to it and several, I mean, we are receiving a lot of news that they are open to get this.
00:10:03And similarly, both sides have said that there should be a transparency and predictability in policies with regard to each other.
00:10:10So I think that that is a very important thing.
00:10:12Secondly, India has, of course, conveyed about the cross-border terrorism and the issues that we generally talk in the public domain about how the terrorism,
00:10:23PAK-based terrorism is to be handled.
00:10:25That would have been discussed.
00:10:27That's very important.
00:10:28Of course, China has tremendous influence over Pakistan and it can rain at it if it wishes to so.
00:10:34So that would be one of the litmus tests for the Chinese behavior going forward.
00:10:39But I always believe all relationships are transactional and each country looks after its own interests first.
00:10:45But at the moment, both countries are thinking that this is a vital partnership which will be civilizational and can help both countries and the development of the people.
00:10:55And in the SEO also, we are going to see a decade, over a decade long sort of development strategy that the SEO countries are going to adopt.
00:11:05And this SEO plus that is happening, that means the SEO's expansion will also be discussed.
00:11:12Okay.
00:11:13And Geetha Mohan, you know, the SEO, which was once seen as a regional security pact, one would say now has been redefined as a platform for solidarity among the global south,
00:11:25offering a vision for international relations, which is anchored in balance, diplomacy and peaceful coexistence.
00:11:33Well, absolutely.
00:11:36The messaging from Tianjin, Maria, very, very clear that, one, there is a need for a cohesive bloc to what President Xi Jinping called to stop and fight the bullying of the West, particularly of one country.
00:11:54But there is also a need for these countries to come together in a cohesive manner to ensure that, Maria, there is no disruption, the kind of which we've seen in the recent past.
00:12:06It has really turned global economy, global markets topsy-turvy.
00:12:11We are looking at the kind of disruption that we've never witnessed or seen before.
00:12:16So, it is very important that these three countries, particularly, but the entire global south, particularly this entire SEO bloc, comes together.
00:12:27And in that, we are looking at some forward movement.
00:12:30But again, Maria, like I said yesterday, we'll have to wait and see on how the leaders put their vision and their statement forward.
00:12:40Don't forget, the room has Pakistan as well.
00:12:44And when India and Pakistan are in a room, there are or expect fireworks to be there.
00:12:50And so, we'll have to wait and see what the statements of the two sides are and whether if they actually will put all the bilateral bickerings aside and come out with a consensus statement.
00:13:04Gita, before you joined us, Ambassador Trigunayat was making an interesting observation.
00:13:11He said that India is against any kind of bloc.
00:13:14Then sanctions, these tariffs and pressure politics.
00:13:18How do you think it will make SEO stronger?
00:13:21Because drawing India, China and Russia closer is evident here.
00:13:25But after any such summit, we have seen also there was a galwan in the past and border incursions which have happened along the LAC.
00:13:39Well, a very important point, yes.
00:13:42India has not really or does not honor any of these abandoned blocks,
00:13:47which basically mean that India's policy position is that India does not accept country-based sanctions.
00:13:55If you want a country to be sanctioned or blocked, then please go to the United Nations, get it cleared.
00:14:02Now, the United Nations is such a divided house today that every country, important country,
00:14:07not reflective of what important countries are because India is not part of it,
00:14:13but others are, like Russia and China and America.
00:14:17They all veto each other, so nobody actually gets to sanction any country.
00:14:21And India is very clear that there's only UN-based sanctions that India will agree to and not country-based sanctions.
00:14:29And that's what India conveyed to the United States of America, that they need to honor and understand the importance of Russia.
00:14:36It is okay for U.S. then to engage Russia because President Trump wanted to, but not okay for India to do it.
00:14:42There's reports coming in that the oil that India refined not only went to European countries, but also to Ukraine.
00:14:50So, and all at the behest of America, be it Biden administration.
00:14:55So, there's a problem over here.
00:14:57And yes, the Indian side then has to come together with Russia and China to ensure that this bullying has to stop.
00:15:04But there are problems between China and India itself, Maria, that overshadow most of the other important work
00:15:11that the two countries should be doing rather than could do,
00:15:15because this is a strategic necessity rather than strategic autonomy that we have to look at,
00:15:23where we need to align ourselves with these countries as well.
00:15:26But everybody has talked about the very important bilateral meeting between India and China.
00:15:34Maria, to me, one of the most important meetings that will come out of Tianjin is one which is going to take place,
00:15:40that is between Prime Minister Modi and President Vladimir Putin.
00:15:45So, and why do you say that, Geeta?
00:15:47You know, because all eyes and for the last 48 hours, we have been waiting for that pull aside,
00:15:52which has happened between Prime Minister Modi, Xi Jinping, and Vladimir Putin,
00:15:57which was almost seen, and I was reading some of the observations which have come in the Western press.
00:16:03They are of the opinion that this is almost like a visual manifesto warning
00:16:07that old binaries and Cold War thinking won't work in the new world.
00:16:13So, you know, what emerges is some kind of a vision for a fair, multipolar, global order,
00:16:21where bridges are built not to isolate, but to connect.
00:16:26And still, you feel that what emerges from the conversation between Prime Minister Modi and Vladimir Putin will be significant.
00:16:35Let's not forget that there is an impending visit of Vladimir Putin to India as well, Geeta,
00:16:42for the announcement for which has already been made.
00:16:44Absolutely, the annual summit, which the two countries have honoured, barring only the COVID times,
00:16:52and irrespective of what other countries have thought, much to the chagrin of the West.
00:16:59Look at the visuals, not just the three of them, which is high on optics,
00:17:03and if only images could speak, and the smiles and the kind of exchange that we were witnessing,
00:17:10if only that could be translated into real action on the ground without the shadows of bilateral problems
00:17:18that countries have had, particularly India and China,
00:17:21then the world would have been a different place long ago,
00:17:24and the world should have been a different place to take on any leader who comes to power in the United States of America.
00:17:31Why depend on, oh, well, Biden administration was better than the Trump administration.
00:17:36We should have looked at this with foresight, understanding that there could be governments that will come
00:17:44who would maybe topple the entire continuum in foreign policy between U.S. and other countries.
00:17:51Nobody anticipated it, but these visuals are important.
00:17:55They go to show that the leaders are willing to work together.
00:17:59It was an image that the leaders wanted to show to the West.
00:18:04So there is projection there. You're absolutely right in what the West is saying.
00:18:08This is absolute projection of power from this block where the leaders put aside everything else
00:18:14and stood together, shared those moments, and it was a moment of show of strength, so to say,
00:18:22when it comes to these three leaders.
00:18:24Absolutely. Ambassador Gunaid, would you say that this Tianjin moment is not just a crossroads,
00:18:31it's a turning point?
00:18:34Well, I think it's a turning point definitely in the India and China relations
00:18:39because the greater possibility of more interaction, smoother interaction between the two countries
00:18:47goes ahead, confidence-building measures, the trust gains.
00:18:51Obviously, there will be a greater vigilance and cautiousness on India's part going forward
00:18:56with the kind of history that we have witnessed, but the relationships do not remain steady.
00:19:04There are always changes, ups and downs. They keep coming, and this has happened also with China.
00:19:08But one of the steady relationships that has been there that is with Russia for a long time,
00:19:15and it is something that is a stabilizing factor as well for our own growth as well as for the global systems
00:19:23that are going on. Of course, India has never endorsed Russia's invasion of Ukraine.
00:19:28That is for sure. Prime Minister Modi, once again, will reiterate that and will be working on it
00:19:33exactly how the war in a rejuvenation war could be ended.
00:19:37So from each country's perspective, I think there's a win-win situation.
00:19:42Of course, the Western countries will look at it the same way because they have an alliance mindset,
00:19:46whereas China does not believe in allies in any case. It doesn't have the alliance system.
00:19:52It has the client-based system. That's the difference.
00:19:55And India does not believe in the alliance system at all. It believes in multi-alignments.
00:19:59Russia is very much focused on creating greater harmony, greater strength in the Eurasian landscape.
00:20:07So all these will have to converge somewhere, and the divergences and disputes will have to be avoided
00:20:12in order to reap the maximum benefit of this.
00:20:16You know, so far, we have seen in the SCO, it was okay. China and India had a different position.
00:20:22So things didn't work out, especially after the war.
00:20:25But now I think that we are going to see a greater collaboration.
00:20:28Yes, Ambassador, just hold on to your thoughts because there's a piece of breaking news which is coming in now.
00:20:32And the big RIC tango is the message that has come in from the SCO summit, which is Russia, India, China.
00:20:42We saw those images. Trump's aide continues anti-India rhetoric.
00:20:48Global South has replied to Navarro's jibe.
00:20:51This is the power display which has come in now from the SCO summit.
00:20:58And, you know, one would say that every Western country is watching the messaging which is coming in from Tianjin.
00:21:07Ambassador Atri Gunayat, a word here from continued jibe and public statements coming in from U.S. administration.
00:21:19That the Trump administration is not stopping.
00:21:21They are continuing even as the officials from both the nations continue to engage.
00:21:27I mean, their communication channels is open, is the message that had come from the U.S. Treasury Secretary and also from the Commerce Ministry here.
00:21:38I mean, Maria, I'm really sorry for being undiplomatic, but I don't even feel like responding to such rubbish that is coming out of Peter Navarro's mouth.
00:21:49I mean, they seem to be so rattled that they have lost complete sense of reason and understanding.
00:21:56Now, today he said the Brahmins are benefiting from it.
00:21:58I mean, this is a ridiculous kind of a statement that he is making.
00:22:02Then he's, I mean, I don't know, of course, he has been unleashed on that, this particular thing.
00:22:07They are pretty rattled, no doubt, because India has maintained the strategic patience and strategic salience in dealing,
00:22:14silence and salience in dealing with the United States or President Trump's overture.
00:22:19So we are doing what is good for us.
00:22:21We are continuing to develop our other partnership, finding more ways to do things.
00:22:25And no relationship, as I said, remains steady.
00:22:29So with the United States also, I have always said that we need to be cautious, like we are cautious with China and others.
00:22:35We need to be realistic rather than just going gung-ho over about A relationship or B relationship.
00:22:41So we will continue.
00:22:42So I think that eventually the Americans will realize, whether it is through their own people or through their own policy failures,
00:22:50that what policies they have adopted are not going to give them the kind of benefits that they are looking for.
00:22:56And therefore, they will realize that what mistakes they have made and they will course correct.
00:23:00But until then, maybe India would have moved on.
00:23:02Okay, but you know, as Ambassador Trigunath was pointing out, Geeta, and I tend to agree that India has maintained the strategic silence.
00:23:14There is a great degree of caution and how diplomacy is usually conducted.
00:23:21When the trade talks or any talks is ongoing, you don't make a public display of your differences.
00:23:27The way it is being done by Trump administration, the question really is before India that who do they talk to.
00:23:35It's not just US President who continues to make those very, very outrageous statements of, you know, starting with Indian economy being dead.
00:23:46To now his, you know, advisor, Peter Navarro, who goes on to say that this is Russia's, India's war.
00:23:54So, who is New Delhi really engaging in Washington right now?
00:24:02Well, there are continuous engagements at various levels, Mariya.
00:24:06The point is not whether there's engagement.
00:24:09The strategic silence is important because it is a Trump administration that's highly unreliable.
00:24:15There were reports that Trump wanted to speak with Prime Minister Modi,
00:24:18but Prime Minister Modi kept at bay because every statement, every conversation would have been put out there on his social media posts
00:24:26and with the narrative that they would run with while the Indian administration keeps quiet about these conversations that they have.
00:24:35So, there is a scare on how you should be responding to the Trump administration.
00:24:41It doesn't mean that India is not engaging.
00:24:43India is engaging at the ambassadorial level on a very regular basis right now.
00:24:48New Delhi is engaged with DC.
00:24:52Do we have the inroads and the in with the White House courtry, the Trump courtry?
00:24:57It's something I'd really have to...
00:24:59Yes.
00:25:00And that's the reason why those two lobbyists come into picture here that we have been discussing, Geeta.
00:25:07Veena Sikri joins us on this broadcast.
00:25:09We also have Dr. Tara Kartha, former Director of National Security Council Secretariat.
00:25:14Welcome the two ladies on this panel.
00:25:17We also have Gaurav Savan joining us from Tianjin.
00:25:20A word from you, Gaurav.
00:25:21What is the mood like, particularly among the journalists coming from United States,
00:25:29as they watch this pull-aside between Prime Minister Modi, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin?
00:25:34So, this picture, Maria, will be analysed very extensively across the world.
00:25:43The picture of the Indian Prime Minister, the Russian President and the Chinese President together.
00:25:48And more than that, if I may, the warm hug between the Indian Prime Minister and the Russian President.
00:25:54You know, and they're walking hand in hand, the two of them walking hand in hand and the warm smiles on their faces.
00:26:02So, those pictures clearly will not be music to the years of the United States of America.
00:26:08Because all their attempts to wean India away from Russia, the threats, the additional tariffs that they've imposed on India,
00:26:18the kind of rather obnoxious language that we hear from those very close to the White House,
00:26:25you know, first calling it Modi's war and then saying it's the Brahmins who are benefiting.
00:26:31Really, is that how little they understand India?
00:26:34But all of that, all of this, when they watch these images, they will know all their attempts have failed.
00:26:40You know, one major topic of conversation from the Chinese journalists and a lot of foreign journalists that we've interacted with here
00:26:46has been, did Modi actually not take four calls from President Donald Trump?
00:26:51Did Trump call Modi four times and he didn't respond?
00:26:54And why? So, that's a very interesting conversation because almost across the world,
00:26:59nobody can believe that President Trump would call up somebody not once, not twice, not twice, but four times.
00:27:04And there'd be no response.
00:27:06And, you know, that's the kind of renewed respect that India and Prime Minister Narendra Modi are being looked at here.
00:27:18You know, the kind of swagger with which the Prime Minister is walking here in Tianjin at the red carpet of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization.
00:27:27The kind of warm hugs that we saw yesterday evening.
00:27:31Look at his interactions, whether it's with President Muizu or with the Prime Minister of Egypt or the President Lukashenko of Belarus
00:27:40or the heads of state of Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan countries with whom we've had a civilizational relationship
00:27:47and giving a complete cold shoulder, you know, to the Prime Minister of a state sponsor of radical Islamist terror
00:27:54who's also lurking around, you know, perhaps people would be apprehensive that he may come up with a begging bowl
00:27:59looking for arms even here.
00:28:01And in his own country, he's facing tremendous criticism that Pakistan is virtually down under.
00:28:08A lot of it is flooded and he's on a six-day vacation here.
00:28:11So, very, very interesting optics that we see here.
00:28:14You know, Prime Minister Narendra Modi is virtually walking with a swagger of a country
00:28:18that's bombed the living daylights out of Pakistan.
00:28:2011 airfields, 6 radar stations, 9 terrorist camps and yet come here and talk to President Putin
00:28:28and President Xi Jinping and then he'll fly back after this.
00:28:32So, it's a, you know, real global dynamics changing here.
00:28:36Absolutely.
00:28:36We witness this on ground zero in Tianjin.
00:28:38Okay. Ambassador Sikri, your reading of the three leaders coming together, is this a turning point?
00:28:48Quite clearly that this is a real reinforcement of India's policy of strategic autonomy
00:28:53and our multi-alignment. This is a real reinforcement of that. We don't go by anyone.
00:28:58If there's a problem with the U.S., if President Trump has a problem.
00:29:02Ma'am, I'll try and fix your audio. Let me bring in Dr. Tara Kartha in the meanwhile.
00:29:06Ma'am, your reading of that image, because as you can see, there's a great degree of bonhomie.
00:29:13There is a messaging. We were all waiting for this pull aside for several hours now.
00:29:18And just look at the message that is coming in now from Tianjin.
00:29:23Prime Minister Modi has said that SEO stands for security, connectivity and opportunity.
00:29:29Dr. Tara Kartha, go ahead.
00:29:31Absolutely. I think that image was pretty staggering.
00:29:34I mean, it was like three old friends meeting together.
00:29:37But I would also include the fact that, you know, the Chinese messaging in the Tianjin summit as a whole
00:29:45includes large parts of our Vaisadeva, Kutungam.
00:29:48You know, the whole world is one thing is built into the Chinese, the whole dialogue on Tianjin.
00:29:55That is part of their, you know, the USP which they are trying to provide.
00:29:59So there, I think Beijing is taking a lot of effort to get these countries together
00:30:04because this is a very critical time for them.
00:30:07This is a make or break, literally.
00:30:09You know, if they can get these countries to say that we need a fair and equitable order.
00:30:14That, all that is terrific.
00:30:17They're also going to, but the only thing, I mean, the Russia-India relationship, as you know, goes back decades.
00:30:22I mean, the Russia takes over 30 years
00:30:33because the Russia takes over 30 years.
00:30:40This Russia takes over 30 years from home to couscous city
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00:49:28giving all support to the Pakistani
00:49:30army and the ISI.
00:49:33I would differ
00:49:34with you slightly there.
00:49:35Chinese public statements were not
00:49:38supportive of Pakistan. Their first
00:49:40statement in fact said, you know, we
00:49:42condemn this terrorism in Balgam,
00:49:44they gave us the condolences, etc.
00:49:46Second statement said for a
00:49:48stop in terms of the
00:49:50whole, you know, that they should stop this
00:49:52fight. That was the second statement.
00:49:54Third, of course, what
00:49:55Gaurav says is right, they gave them
00:49:57all the, I mean, the assistance
00:50:00which had been given over the years
00:50:02which was there. We knew it was there, right?
00:50:03It was not something new. But they also
00:50:06gave them live intel.
00:50:08That is something which we have
00:50:10to, in terms of imagery, etc.
00:50:11So that is a problem. But the fact
00:50:14that, you know, what I really like in
00:50:16this particular SEO is they
00:50:17are reaching out to include
00:50:20all the threats which the Prime Minister
00:50:22has itemized
00:50:23in a new framework
00:50:25which is going to be something like
00:50:27rats. They're going to have a few more
00:50:29verticals in these areas in
00:50:31terms of cyber threat, in terms of all
00:50:33this is going to be part of SEO.
00:50:35So that is a good break for us.
00:50:37And number three is the fact that, you know,
00:50:39what the images which you said, I think
00:50:41what Gaurav said was right. I mean,
00:50:43the Prime Minister comes with
00:50:45this background of having
00:50:47sorted out Pakistan,
00:50:49sorted out, I mean, not giving in to
00:50:51those completely weird threats
00:50:53coming from the US.
00:50:55That is going on.
00:50:56Plus his Japan visit.
00:50:58So he's in a
00:50:59very, very good position now.
00:51:01However, there's something I'd like
00:51:03to say, Geeta, if you can,
00:51:05if you, Madhya, if you can just
00:51:06give me a second.
00:51:07Please don't,
00:51:09we should not equate this as
00:51:11a US or China
00:51:13issue. That is not the way it works.
00:51:15We have to deal with all of them
00:51:17side by side.
00:51:17So it's not, it's not either or,
00:51:20it is everybody together.
00:51:22You have to go, you have to work
00:51:23with all these countries the best
00:51:24way we can.
00:51:25Yes. And the messaging,
00:51:27let me go back to Gaurav and
00:51:28Gaurav, India has
00:51:31simultaneously deepened ties
00:51:33with Japan and accelerated
00:51:34re-engagement, one would say,
00:51:37with China, if you look at it.
00:51:40You know, and this is
00:51:41with great degree of caution.
00:51:45Prime Minister arrives in Tianjin
00:51:48after having sealed
00:51:50good trade ties with Japan,
00:51:54one of the close allies of
00:51:56United States.
00:51:58And here in China,
00:52:00the messaging has gone to
00:52:02one of the allies of China,
00:52:05which is Pakistan,
00:52:06and also to China,
00:52:08that they did not stand with India,
00:52:10post the terror attack in
00:52:12Pahal Gham.
00:52:17So two things.
00:52:18Yes, you're absolutely right
00:52:19about the Prime Minister's
00:52:20visit to Japan.
00:52:21You know, we were discussing
00:52:23this with Dr. Tara Kartha
00:52:24and Ambassador Veena Sikri.
00:52:26This is huge.
00:52:28The fact that Japan is talking
00:52:29about investing over
00:52:3060 billion dollars in India.
00:52:32The fact that movement of
00:52:34skilled and semi-skilled labor
00:52:35will take place.
00:52:36The fact that there's cooperation
00:52:37from defense to strategic
00:52:40relationship to science
00:52:42and technology to space
00:52:43cooperation, the lunar
00:52:44mission exploration.
00:52:46Now, in all of that,
00:52:47when India and Japan are
00:52:48cooperating, Japan has
00:52:49surplus funds.
00:52:50India has one talent,
00:52:52it has skill, it has scale,
00:52:54and it has the outreach.
00:52:55Now, there's one bit of
00:52:56cooperation that's being
00:52:57talked about very extensively
00:52:58that some people here,
00:53:00you know, were a little
00:53:01apprehensive about during
00:53:03discussions, and that is
00:53:04the use of Japanese funds
00:53:06and Indian outreach in
00:53:08the African region.
00:53:09Now, this is how
00:53:10effectively, you know,
00:53:12India traditionally is
00:53:14very strong all across
00:53:15the African region.
00:53:16Our engagement there
00:53:17historically has been
00:53:19strong.
00:53:19But to take that to the
00:53:20next level, you require
00:53:22funding.
00:53:23The Western bloc
00:53:24often cagey with funding,
00:53:25that is where Japan is
00:53:27and could play a very
00:53:28critical role in the
00:53:29years ahead.
00:53:30And that again is a
00:53:31very effective counter
00:53:32mechanism to what many
00:53:35describe as the
00:53:36belt and road initiatives,
00:53:37debt trap diplomacy.
00:53:38That is where India
00:53:39comes with a clean hand.
00:53:41Look at how, what
00:53:42happened in Sri Lanka,
00:53:43look at what happened
00:53:44in Maldives, and how
00:53:45India came to the
00:53:46rescue both of Sri Lanka
00:53:47and of Maldives.
00:53:49Whether they realize it
00:53:50in the long run,
00:53:51Maldives are not, you
00:53:52know, Sri Lanka does
00:53:53realize it, Maldives
00:53:54perhaps in times to come.
00:53:55But the fact remains,
00:53:57India deals with
00:53:58countries with a very
00:53:59clean hand, with no
00:54:01ulterior motives.
00:54:02The aim is
00:54:03the aim is to help,
00:54:05the aim is to help
00:54:06them grow.
00:54:07And this is where
00:54:08this cooperation and
00:54:09this partnership,
00:54:10India deals with these
00:54:11countries with clean
00:54:13hand.
00:54:13Then the Prime Minister
00:54:13comes to China and
00:54:14that is where the
00:54:15relationship is being
00:54:16taken forward.
00:54:17With clean hand and
00:54:18with a great degree of
00:54:19predictability and
00:54:21reciprocity, respect,
00:54:24integrity and
00:54:25sensitivity as Prime
00:54:26Minister Modi has
00:54:27highlighted.
00:54:28Let's listen in to what
00:54:30the Prime Minister said
00:54:31at the plenary session
00:54:33of the SCO in
00:54:34Tianjin and then I
00:54:35come back to the
00:54:36guests.
00:54:36to come back to
00:54:45Japan.
00:54:45I want to
00:54:46be happy about
00:54:47that is
00:54:48the
00:54:51military
00:54:52of the
00:54:53military.
00:54:54Today,
00:54:57it is
00:55:00the
00:55:00independence
00:55:01of India,
00:55:03and
00:55:03the
00:55:03it is
00:55:06I am the host of my own
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