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Bradley Simpson joins us for a heartfelt dive into his songs and the emotions behind them. We talk about meeting “the one” and all the what ifs—like how life might have been different if they had come a little earlier.
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00:00Ooh, it is like therapy, isn't it?
00:03Yeah, yeah, yeah.
00:04That muddy lack of closure at the end of stuff,
00:08which I think a lot of people go through,
00:10where it's like, is it still gonna happen, is it not?
00:14Or, like, that kind of not a clear boundary
00:17at the end of something?
00:18The idea that you've met someone
00:20and you wish you'd met them sooner.
00:23And, like, it feels like you've...
00:26Known them for, like, forever.
00:27Yeah, but you kind of mourn the time that you haven't had.
00:30I don't know, like, a period of time that felt, like,
00:33yeah, a bit lost.
00:34A bit lost.
00:35Yeah.
00:44Hello, hello, hello, and welcome back to
00:48Why Won't You Love Me?
00:50And on today's episode,
00:52we have another really special international guest,
00:56and it is none other than Bradley Simpson.
01:01Give it up on Bradley, guys.
01:03Hello, whoa, calm down.
01:04Hello.
01:06Oh my God, this is actually crazy.
01:08Before we...
01:09Okay, I know you're a solo artist, but I have to say this.
01:12I've been following you since literally
01:15when you started The Vamps.
01:17This is so wild, because, like, obviously,
01:20I've been listening to your music for, like,
01:2210 years.
01:24And you're not even that old.
01:26So, like, this is crazy.
01:27You've been in the industry for ages.
01:30Yeah.
01:30Yeah.
01:31A while.
01:31Too long.
01:32Too long.
01:33No, no.
01:33We'll talk about that later as well.
01:35We want to talk about that now.
01:36But, well, obviously, you're here in Malaysia,
01:39which is crazy that I get to talk to you, like, in person.
01:42Yeah, it's so good to be here.
01:43Yeah.
01:43How's it...
01:44How are you finding it here in Malaysia?
01:46It's been...
01:46I've been here for about six hours.
01:48Yeah, that's right.
01:49So, the six hours that I've seen,
01:51the taxi was lovely.
01:52Right, lovely.
01:53And the way in.
01:54But, no, everyone's been lovely,
01:56and I'm excited I'm here.
01:58I think...
01:58We were trying to figure this out.
01:59I'm pretty sure I came here
02:01with the band a few years ago.
02:03Right, right.
02:03I believe.
02:05Yeah, you have so many fans here.
02:07I'm so excited to play the show tomorrow.
02:09Mm-hmm.
02:09And, obviously, with the lovely Henry Moody.
02:12Yeah.
02:13But, yeah, it's lovely to be here.
02:15And it's lovely to have you here.
02:16Thank you so much for coming all the way.
02:18Like, literally, Bradley flew in from London.
02:20I thought you were going to say
02:22that you flew in from, like, Singapore
02:23or, like, Thailand or something like that.
02:25So, it's, like, not too bad.
02:26But, like...
02:28Yeah, London.
02:28You took us four hours.
02:29Yeah, yeah, we did it all.
02:30Thank you so much.
02:31We really appreciate it.
02:32And I'm sure, like, all your fans
02:33are so excited to see you tomorrow.
02:35Yeah, I'm very excited.
02:37And it's, like, a stripped-back show.
02:39So, for me, it's just me and an acoustic guitar.
02:42Oh, my God.
02:42I'm so excited to see it.
02:43But, obviously, when this show comes out,
02:45you would have already played.
02:47So, I'm sure it's going to be so sick.
02:49Yes, the show was amazing.
02:49The show was amazing.
02:50Exactly.
02:52But, so, on this show,
02:54basically what I do
02:55is that when I invite artists on,
02:58I take three songs from their entire discography
03:00and I break it down.
03:03Cool.
03:03Yeah.
03:04So, we're going to look at three songs
03:05from your entire discography.
03:07Okay.
03:08And we're going to, I guess,
03:10I guess we're going to use your songs
03:12as, like, a way to lead this conversation.
03:15Yeah?
03:16Sounds good.
03:16That's right.
03:17Yeah.
03:17Amazing stuff.
03:18So, without further ado,
03:20the first song that I actually chose
03:23was Cry at the Moon.
03:26Yes.
03:26So, do you want to tell us a little bit
03:28about the themes that you covered in the song?
03:31Unless you want me to, because...
03:33I mean, I'd love to hear your turn.
03:35So, yay, go.
03:36That's something really interesting
03:38that people that I talk to always say.
03:42Like, they're more interested to hear.
03:43I always ask the same thing.
03:44Like, do you want to tell us a little bit
03:46about the song?
03:47Or do you want me to?
03:49I'd love to hear yours,
03:50because I think, yeah, you go first.
03:52Yeah, you want me to go?
03:53Okay, I'll go for it then.
03:54Okay, so, in my opinion,
03:57in my opinion,
03:59I feel like it's a song that captures, like,
04:02the grief of losing,
04:05not losing someone,
04:06of loving someone, sorry,
04:08who's no longer emotionally present.
04:11And it's a kind of mourning
04:12that feels cosmic and, like, lonely.
04:16Right?
04:16I didn't get that right.
04:18Yeah, that's pretty bad.
04:18That's like, oh, yeah.
04:19That did get a whole new one sentence.
04:21Tick, yeah.
04:22Amazing.
04:22I did my research mal.
04:23Thank you very much.
04:24So, I guess my first question is,
04:27have you ever missed someone so much
04:29it felt like crying to something
04:30that can't answer back?
04:33Ooh, it is like therapy, isn't it?
04:35Yeah.
04:36Yeah, yeah.
04:37Like I said, it's less TMZ,
04:39less E,
04:40and more therapy session.
04:41Okay, yeah, I'm into it.
04:42Yeah.
04:43Yeah, I think so, 100% over.
04:46I think it's that we cry at the moon
04:49and, like, with a lot of songs,
04:51or, like, from my standpoint as a songwriter,
04:55it's very much,
04:57sometimes I go in with the conscious idea
04:59of what I want to write about
05:00or, like, a specific situation.
05:03But then a lot of the time
05:05it's just, like, channeling your subconscious.
05:07But I think that's quite good
05:10because you don't necessarily know
05:11what you want to write about
05:12until it starts to...
05:14Come out.
05:14Yeah, like, there might be things,
05:16and I think that's probably, like, therapy as well.
05:18Like, you don't necessarily know what it is
05:20until you start and chip away at the thing.
05:22Mm-hmm.
05:24So, I think cry at the moon,
05:25it wasn't necessarily that I was consciously writing
05:27about that, like, grieving process
05:30of not having someone who you love
05:33in your life anymore
05:34in that, like, kind of romantic way.
05:38Mm-hmm.
05:38But, yeah, I think the song is that
05:40yearning for something that has been
05:44and that now that door's kind of closed.
05:47Mm-hmm.
05:48And I think it also is, like,
05:50that muddy lack of closure at the end of stuff,
05:54which I think a lot of people go through,
05:55where it's, like,
05:57is it still going to happen, is it not?
06:01Like, oh, like, that kind of not a clear boundary
06:04at the end of something?
06:05So, I think that's where kind of cry at the moon
06:08stemmed from.
06:09Mm-hmm.
06:10Mm-hmm.
06:10I mean, I think that's something
06:11that we can all, like, relate to, right?
06:13Like, the closure part especially.
06:15Yeah.
06:15When you kind of just got to, like,
06:18create that closure, like, for yourself.
06:20Yeah.
06:20You can cry about it.
06:21I mean, you can cry about it as much as you want,
06:23but, like, at the end of the day, like...
06:25You need that, like, finality.
06:26Yeah, but a lot of the times, like,
06:29you don't get it.
06:31You never actually get it, right?
06:33That's why I said, like,
06:35you kind of have to create it on your own, right?
06:38And it kind of just looks whatever it looks like.
06:40Yeah, whatever you need.
06:41Yeah, exactly.
06:42Moving on from that, like, I feel like
06:44it's kind of like there's, like,
06:46a sense of watching someone's, like, light fade, right?
06:49Like, you look at someone, you know, romantically
06:53or even not romantically, right?
06:55Because, like, friendship breakups happen as well.
06:57I'm sure, I think the song was meant romantically,
07:00but, I mean, we can talk about it
07:02as, like, a friendship breakup as well, right?
07:04That person just, like, no longer has that same aura,
07:09the same energy that you once felt that they had before
07:12because, obviously, your dynamic with them has changed, right?
07:16So, when you realize they no longer have that shine,
07:20I suppose, it's quite sad.
07:22So, like, how do you deal with that moment
07:25when someone you love no longer has that energy anymore?
07:29Like, you look at them and you're just like,
07:30I don't feel anything.
07:34Yeah, exactly.
07:35It's a bit scary.
07:36It's scary, yeah.
07:37I think maybe it's a bit...
07:39I think it's always good to, like, zoom out
07:41of a lot of situations.
07:43And, like, weirdly, like, my manager,
07:48who has been...
07:49He's, like, the head of the management companies,
07:51an older guy.
07:52And he says it in very much a work setting.
07:55He's like, it's always bigger picture,
07:57like, always zoom out.
07:58I think it's applicable to so many things
08:01of, like, zooming out and being, like, a bit...
08:05I don't know.
08:06You can be a bit more...
08:08Like, I'm a massive believer in, like,
08:10what's meant to be or be.
08:12And I think if you kind of have that mantra of, like,
08:15what's meant for you won't pass you,
08:17it gives you a little bit more, like, faith.
08:19I think, like, as sad as it can be, I think,
08:23in those moments, you're like, well,
08:24it wasn't meant for anything other than what it was.
08:29As hard as it can be.
08:30And I think if it's not right for one person,
08:32it's not right for both people.
08:34So you kind of need to find your peace with that
08:39and just be like, well, try and look back on it
08:42in a positive light or take lessons
08:45that you've learned from it
08:46and help it shape you into your next friendship
08:50or relationship or just as a person.
08:54So I think there's always, like,
08:55lessons to be learned through all of those things.
08:57Mm-hmm.
08:57Mm-hmm.
08:58And, like, what do you think, in your opinion now,
09:01I'm asking you,
09:02with this particular song,
09:05what was the message that you were trying to get across?
09:08I don't know if it,
09:11because the solo album was the first time
09:13writing solely from my perspective.
09:15I think a lot of it,
09:16and it felt really selfish to do,
09:18to be honest, for a long time.
09:20A lot of it was just, like,
09:23kind of working stuff through.
09:24Like, I find songs are really good for that for me.
09:29And maybe that's because I'm not, like,
09:31I'm not the best talker through things.
09:35So I'll, like, write about it,
09:37and it'll close a chapter,
09:38or it'll help me understand stuff a bit better.
09:40So I think Cry of the Moon was more of just, like,
09:42understanding how I felt about a situation
09:45through the song.
09:47Oh, right.
09:47So you were using songwriting
09:48as that sort of, like, medium
09:51to get whatever it is that you were feeling out.
09:53Yeah, like a closure thing.
09:54Yeah, potentially.
09:55Oh, so it was, like, your closure.
09:57I think songs, yeah, can definitely be that.
09:59Yeah, maybe not just this particular song,
10:01but, like, a lot of songs for you.
10:03Yeah, 100%.
10:03Yeah, or just, like, understanding,
10:06because I think things can get really, like, messy,
10:12be it, like I say, like a romantic thing
10:14or a friendship thing or whatever it is.
10:17So I think humans need a way of, like,
10:19understanding it and quantifying it
10:21to make it easier.
10:22Yeah, no, of course.
10:24I think music's great for that,
10:25be it if you're writing it,
10:27and that's what helps me,
10:28or if you hear a song that helps you
10:30get your head around a situation.
10:32So I think, like, Cry at the Moon was definitely,
10:35it was more of just, like,
10:36exercising the feeling for me
10:38rather than necessarily
10:39trying to convey a certain message.
10:42Right, right.
10:44Oh, no, I feel you on that,
10:45because, like,
10:46for me, post-breakup,
10:47like, my go-to is usually to write.
10:50Obviously, I'm not writing songs,
10:51but, like, I'm, you know,
10:52just, like, journaling or whatever,
10:54because it allows me to write,
10:56I guess it allows me to put
10:58my feelings to paper
10:59so that I can,
11:01sometimes it's more helpful
11:02to sort of just, like,
11:03see everything.
11:04And, I mean,
11:06obviously I still have those, like,
11:09you know,
11:09journal
11:10writings to this day,
11:13and it's so wild
11:14to actually, like,
11:15look back and reflect
11:16and be like,
11:16oh, my gosh,
11:17I remember how I felt
11:19at the time,
11:20and I'm so far,
11:23it feels so far removed,
11:25because, like,
11:25that was just, like,
11:26that was me at that time.
11:28It was a moment in time.
11:28Yeah, it was a moment in time
11:30that, like,
11:30I mean,
11:31and in that sense,
11:33it's, I mean,
11:33these songs,
11:34some of these songs,
11:35I suppose,
11:35are, like,
11:36that for you, right?
11:37Because, like,
11:38I mean,
11:39I'm not sure when you wrote
11:40Cry at the Moon,
11:41but, like,
11:42I'm sure looking back on it,
11:43like,
11:44you get to...
11:45Yeah, it's so far,
11:46right?
11:46Like, I mean,
11:47a really happy place
11:49and in a relationship,
11:50I'm really happy.
11:51But, yeah,
11:52it's weird,
11:53they are, like,
11:53little diary entries.
11:55Yeah.
11:56And it can be quite,
11:58I can imagine going back,
11:59I've never done it,
12:00like,
12:00I used to journal,
12:01I think journaling's amazing.
12:02Yeah.
12:02Like,
12:03but I can imagine going back
12:06and reading through stuff
12:07from, like,
12:08years ago,
12:08it's, like,
12:09a wild thing.
12:11But it's also,
12:12like,
12:12a testament to how
12:13far you can come
12:16in a short space of time.
12:17Yeah,
12:18and how much you've changed
12:19and how much you've grown.
12:20Yeah,
12:20yeah.
12:20It's, like,
12:21as hard as it can be
12:22to read it back,
12:23you can also be like,
12:24oh,
12:24I'm really proud of myself.
12:25Yeah.
12:25In some ways.
12:26No,
12:27absolutely.
12:27No,
12:27I agree with you on that.
12:29Alrighty.
12:30Okay,
12:30so that's it for
12:31Cry at the Moon.
12:33Okay.
12:33We're actually going to move on
12:34to another song.
12:36And my next pick is
12:37Carpet Burn.
12:38Okay.
12:39So,
12:40my take.
12:42Again,
12:43you correct me if I'm wrong.
12:45Girl,
12:45I like this,
12:46by the way.
12:47Yeah,
12:47yeah.
12:48Interpreting your songs for you.
12:49Yeah.
12:50Basically,
12:50tell me if I'm wrong.
12:51I love it,
12:51and it's, like,
12:52going to be better
12:53than I can describe it,
12:54for sure.
12:54But do tell me
12:56if I've gotten it wrong.
12:57Okay?
12:57So,
12:58in my opinion,
13:01Carpet Burn is about
13:02a love that's messy,
13:04that's physical,
13:05and also impulsive.
13:07But at the same time,
13:08it's unforgettable.
13:10It's super passionate.
13:13How do you know
13:14when love is worth
13:15that burn?
13:16When it's intense
13:18and messy,
13:19but also feels
13:21really real?
13:24Again,
13:24like,
13:25really,
13:25it's so much better
13:26than I can describe it.
13:27I don't know.
13:29I think you just
13:30kind of have to
13:31trust your gut,
13:32really.
13:32You, like,
13:34that's all you've
13:36really got.
13:37Again,
13:38you can't, like,
13:38necessarily put it down
13:40to anything
13:42quantifiable.
13:43It's just, like,
13:44how you feel.
13:47And I also think
13:48it's, like,
13:49so many fundamental
13:50factors and things,
13:52like,
13:52all of that passion
13:52is amazing,
13:53but then you also
13:54want trust
13:54and all the big
13:55good pillars.
13:56Yes.
13:57That you should have,
13:58so hopefully
13:59give it longevity.
14:02So I think you need
14:03the two in tandem,
14:05really.
14:05And that's,
14:06if you know
14:06you've got both,
14:07I think that's
14:09where,
14:10you know,
14:10it's worth
14:11all of the
14:11ups and downs.
14:13Yeah,
14:15I think that's also,
14:16like,
14:16a natural part
14:17of getting to
14:19know someone.
14:21It's like,
14:22you're learning
14:22all the different
14:25intricacies of
14:26someone,
14:27and they're learning
14:27that about you as
14:28well.
14:29So it's like it
14:29comes with just a
14:30bit of, like,
14:32patience and
14:32understanding.
14:33So yeah,
14:36I think Carpet
14:36Burn as well
14:37is the idea
14:39that you've met
14:40someone and
14:42you wish you'd
14:43met them sooner
14:45and, like,
14:46it feels like
14:47you've...
14:48Known them for,
14:49like,
14:49forever.
14:49Yeah,
14:50but you kind of
14:50mourn the time
14:51that you haven't
14:52had with them
14:52and you look
14:53back on times
14:53in your life
14:54where you would
14:54have been like,
14:55oh,
14:55this would have
14:55been amazing
14:56if we were
14:56together during
14:57this,
14:57but then you
14:58can't be too
14:59retrospective about
15:01it, I guess.
15:01But yeah,
15:01that was kind
15:02of, like,
15:02the premise of
15:03it amongst
15:04all of the
15:05things you've
15:05said.
15:07Yeah,
15:07that was,
15:08like,
15:08a really special
15:09one to write.
15:10I mean,
15:11I won't lie,
15:12I haven't
15:13actually heard
15:14a song before,
15:16not just yours,
15:17as in I haven't
15:17heard any other
15:18song that captures
15:19this really,
15:20really well,
15:21because, like,
15:21I do, like,
15:24when you meet
15:24someone and
15:25sometimes you feel
15:26like, like I said,
15:27right, like you've
15:27known them for
15:28forever and,
15:29like, I don't hear
15:30many songs,
15:31that, like,
15:32captures that
15:33feeling so much.
15:36So when I heard
15:37the song,
15:37I was like,
15:38huh, okay,
15:39like, this is what
15:40I feel for my
15:42partner, like,
15:42I wish, you
15:44know, however many
15:45years ago when I was
15:46going through a
15:47tough time or
15:47whatever, I wish,
15:48like, they were
15:49there.
15:50Yeah, they were
15:51there.
15:52Yeah, I wish they
15:53were experiencing
15:53it with me, I wish
15:54they were supporting
15:55me, I wish they
15:56had my back at the
15:57time or whatever it
15:58may be.
15:59Yeah, because
16:01at first, like, I
16:03thought this song
16:03was more about
16:05just, like, how
16:06thrilling it is to
16:07meet someone,
16:08honeymoon stage,
16:08yad, yad, yad, yad,
16:09yad, yad, yad.
16:09But then there was
16:10that other part that
16:12captured exactly what
16:13we were just, like,
16:14talking about.
16:15Yeah, yeah, yeah.
16:15Which I thought was
16:16so, I was like,
16:18yeah, that's right.
16:20Yeah, that's
16:20very cool.
16:21I thought it was
16:21brilliant.
16:21I thought it was so
16:22brilliant.
16:22I think it's, like,
16:23a weird feeling as
16:24well, because you,
16:25like, want to be
16:26super present in the
16:28thing, but then
16:28you're also like,
16:29oh, there was
16:30these other times.
16:32But again, I'm like,
16:33I think it's a good
16:34way to be, is have
16:35a bit of, like,
16:36faith in the universe
16:37and stuff, of being
16:38like, it was meant
16:39to happen at this
16:40time.
16:41Maybe it wouldn't
16:42have worked if it
16:43was, and, like,
16:44the middle eight
16:45goes into, like,
16:46like, if we'd have
16:49met at a different
16:49time, we would have
16:50put it down to bad
16:52timing, it might not
16:53have been right.
16:55So it's, like, all of
16:56those, like, sliding
16:58doors, perfect timing,
17:00all that things, and
17:01I could have met you
17:02then, when maybe it
17:04would have been great
17:04to have all of those
17:05things, but you
17:07mightn't, neither of
17:08you would have been in
17:08the right place to be
17:10what you are for each
17:10other now.
17:12So I think it's all,
17:13like, that timing thing
17:15and knowing when you're
17:16both ready to be in
17:19that, like, right
17:20position and right
17:21place to make it
17:23work.
17:24Yeah, I mean, okay,
17:26so here in Malaysia,
17:27we have this thing
17:28that's part of, like,
17:30our religion and,
17:32like, culture.
17:32We have really big,
17:34we always put a lot
17:36of faith in timing.
17:38Doesn't, I mean,
17:39yeah, we're talking
17:40about relationships
17:41now, but just, like,
17:42we have this belief
17:44that, like, kind of
17:46like what you said
17:46about the previous
17:47song that we were
17:48talking about, but,
17:49like, timing is
17:50everything and,
17:51like, if, what will
17:53be, will be,
17:54que sera sera.
17:55And, yeah, and I
17:58thought that that was
17:58kind of, like, echoed
17:59in here as well, you
18:01know.
18:01Yeah, you're right.
18:02Maybe that six months
18:04ago, like, a year ago
18:05or, like, five years
18:06ago, the timing just
18:07wasn't right, you
18:09know.
18:09So maybe if you guys
18:10met, maybe it
18:11wouldn't have worked
18:12out.
18:12Maybe things would
18:13have gone wrong.
18:14Maybe, I don't know,
18:15but maybe, yeah, it
18:18just wouldn't have
18:19worked out.
18:19You guys, like, I
18:20believe that, and a
18:22lot of people here
18:23believe as well that,
18:24like, when two people
18:25meet, they're meant to
18:26meet at that particular
18:27time, not any earlier
18:29and not any later.
18:31Like, that time was
18:32the perfect time.
18:33Yeah, yeah.
18:34Yeah?
18:34I love that.
18:35You think so?
18:36Yeah, 100%.
18:36Yeah, I think that's
18:37so cool.
18:38What, like, you said
18:39it's a big part of,
18:40like, Malaysian culture
18:42and religion, what
18:43does it weave into
18:44outside of, like,
18:46relationships and is
18:47it just...
18:48Oh, gosh, like, for
18:49example, like, if, like,
18:50a work opportunity
18:51comes by, for
18:52example, like, when,
18:54like, when that
18:56opportunity arrives,
18:57just any opportunity
18:58of any sort arrives,
19:00like, at your
19:00doorstep, it arrived
19:03at the right time.
19:03Yeah, I love that.
19:04It didn't arrive early,
19:06it didn't arrive late,
19:07it arrived at the
19:08time.
19:08Whether it was good
19:09for you or bad for
19:10you, that's, like,
19:10a fault or anything.
19:11But the fact it
19:12arrived at that
19:13particular time
19:14meant that it was
19:16right for you in
19:17that time.
19:18Yeah.
19:18It was either going
19:19to be a really
19:20great blessing or,
19:22like, a really big
19:23lesson, but whatever
19:24it was, it was
19:25perfect for that
19:28time and for that
19:30moment that you
19:31were in, I suppose.
19:33Yeah, I love that.
19:33I think it's really
19:34easy.
19:35It's, like, I'm,
19:37like, very laid
19:37back in a lot of
19:38areas, but then I
19:39think there's, like,
19:40parts of me within
19:42music or other
19:43areas that, like,
19:44wants to be able to
19:45kind of, I'd say I
19:47can be, like, in
19:48within music,
19:49especially in my
19:50songwriting and
19:52music.
19:53I can be quite
19:53controlling with it
19:54just because I'm,
19:55like, I know what I
19:55want and maybe that's,
19:56like, a part of my
19:57personality, but I
19:58think a lot of people
19:59wish they would have
19:59more control over
20:00certain situations in
20:01their life.
20:02And I think as soon
20:04as you try and
20:05alleviate that sense
20:06that you are
20:08latching onto
20:08control over
20:09something that
20:10you don't, you
20:11can't have and you
20:12have a bit more
20:13faith and a bit
20:14more, like, like
20:16you said, you're
20:16talking about what's
20:17meant for me won't
20:18pass me.
20:19Yeah, absolutely.
20:20It's just, like, it
20:21feels like a much
20:21better way to kind of
20:22approach life.
20:24Approach life.
20:25Yeah, like,
20:25constantly trying to
20:26be, like, how do I
20:27figure this out right
20:28now?
20:29It's just, like, it
20:29will figure itself out
20:30when it's meant to.
20:31No, definitely.
20:32I'm, I mean, I'm
20:33such a control freak
20:34myself.
20:35So I get, I mean, I
20:37have moments where I
20:38get really frustrated
20:39if things don't go my
20:40way or if, like, an,
20:42you know, an
20:43opportunity, an
20:44opportunity, like,
20:45passes me by because
20:47sometimes I feel like,
20:48oh, no, no, no, it's
20:49gotta happen now or,
20:50like, I don't know,
20:51like, I'm always trying
20:52to, I guess, I feel
20:55like I'm always, like,
20:56grappling at things.
20:57Yeah, yeah.
20:57Again, it's not, it's
20:59not just, you know,
21:00relationship-wise, just
21:01literally, like,
21:02everything around me
21:02and I get so, like,
21:04frustrated sometimes
21:05when, like, things are
21:06just not going, going
21:07according to plan.
21:09Yeah, exactly.
21:09Right?
21:10Which I feel like so
21:11many people are so
21:12caught up by, like,
21:13everything going
21:14according to plan,
21:15like, whatever that
21:16means, but exactly
21:18like you said, and
21:18I'm such a huge
21:19believer in that as
21:20well, like, what is
21:21meant for you will
21:21not pass you by,
21:23whether it's an
21:24opportunity with
21:25someone or something.
21:27Yeah.
21:27Right?
21:28A hundred percent.
21:28Yeah.
21:29Actually, my next
21:30question, literally,
21:32covered, I mean,
21:33covered exactly what
21:34we were talking about,
21:35which is about timing.
21:37So I'm glad that we
21:38got into all of that.
21:39Perfect.
21:40Yeah.
21:41Nice.
21:41Nice.
21:42Alrighty.
21:42And on to the last
21:44song.
21:44So I chose
21:45Always Like This.
21:47Um, so I felt like,
21:49again, um, this is a
21:51breakup song.
21:52Yeah.
21:52You have a lot of
21:54sad.
21:54I know, I know.
21:55Sad songs.
21:56Cheer up, man.
21:58It's time for a happy
21:59song, I think.
22:01Yeah.
22:01Mix album, mix album.
22:01Mix album.
22:02Yeah, got them out of
22:03the way on this.
22:03So I felt like this
22:04was like a breakup song
22:05that was full of push
22:06and pull and it felt
22:09like love, love felt
22:11like a loop of pain
22:13and confusion.
22:15Did I get that right?
22:17Yeah.
22:17Yeah, I did.
22:18I guess my question is,
22:20do you ever feel stuck
22:21in a loop of love where
22:23the ending always feels
22:24the same, no matter
22:25who it's with?
22:28Yeah, I can, I can
22:29definitely understand
22:32that.
22:32I think it's also
22:34that feeling of, I
22:36think when I wrote it,
22:38I was kind of in a
22:42place of wanting
22:43something and like
22:45longing for something.
22:47Um, and probably quite
22:48a lonely place to be
22:49honest.
22:51Um, so it more kind of
22:53came from the perspective
22:54of like something not
22:55working and feeling like
22:57I just hope it's not
22:58always like this.
22:59Like it's not going to
23:00be a continuous thing
23:01and whether that's like
23:03introspective and
23:05figuring stuff out for
23:06myself or like I say,
23:09um, whatever it'll be.
23:11But, um, yeah, at the
23:12time of writing it, I
23:13think I was looking back
23:14on a time in my life
23:15where, because I wrote
23:17the songs over the
23:18course of two years,
23:18but then all those
23:19feelings weren't
23:20happening.
23:22Like I say, I was like
23:23feel very grateful to
23:24be in a really lovely
23:26relationship.
23:27Um, but there was like
23:28parts of my life that I
23:29hadn't written about.
23:30So it was like very
23:31kind of looking back
23:33at, I don't know,
23:36like a period of time
23:37that felt like, uh,
23:40yeah, a bit lost.
23:42A bit lost.
23:42Yeah.
23:43So I think always like
23:44this was that, but the
23:46lyrics are very, like you
23:47say, quite sad, but, um,
23:51I wanted to kind of say, I'm
23:52always like, I don't want
23:54every song to just be like,
23:55so I'm like, I'll just put
23:57some really distorted
23:58guitars and drums over the
24:00top.
24:00So no one really, maybe
24:01you'd have to dig in to find
24:02out a bit more.
24:04Um, but yeah, I think it was
24:05that like, just, I guess
24:10like the idea was because the
24:13song feels like, like you say,
24:15this cycle of like, am I
24:17ever going to be able to
24:18break it?
24:19Yeah.
24:21That like juxtapose with the
24:23production.
24:25Like sometimes I think you
24:25need a bit of a, like a
24:28kick to get out of ruts, be
24:30it like from someone else
24:32around you or yourself.
24:36It's if you're like, right,
24:37no, I'm not going to feel
24:38like this anymore.
24:39I'm not going to carry on
24:40with this or whatever it is.
24:41Sometimes you need a bit of
24:42a like kickstart to do that.
24:44It doesn't just happen.
24:45Slowly.
24:47Um, so that's where I was
24:49like, I want the production
24:50and the guitars and everything
24:51to be that like kickstart.
24:54Yeah.
24:54It's like the lyrics are maybe
24:55this like cyclical thing that
24:58keeps happening, but then the
24:59production and the guitars are
25:00like the thing that, that get
25:03you out of it.
25:04And there were so many
25:05emotions I felt.
25:06It wasn't just sadness.
25:07I mean, there was anger,
25:09there was longing,
25:10frustration, unresolved
25:12feelings, there were all
25:14sorts in it.
25:15So I felt like it was
25:16jam packed with like,
25:18with a lot.
25:19And I felt like it was
25:20really relatable as well.
25:21Cause like, again, like
25:22I totally understand that
25:24whole, like just getting,
25:26just wanting to get out of
25:28something and you just
25:28can't like, it's so hard.
25:30It's so hard.
25:31And sometimes like, sometimes
25:34you hate yourself for it.
25:35Sometimes you hate them for
25:37doing what they did and
25:38causing this kind of like
25:39pain.
25:40Yeah.
25:41And sometimes, yeah, you
25:42just need someone to just be
25:44like, Hey, I think it's, I
25:45think it's time.
25:46Yeah.
25:46I think it's time to, it's
25:48time to get going.
25:49Yeah.
25:49That's it.
25:50Yeah.
25:50But I think it's cool.
25:51That's what I love about
25:52like music and hearing your
25:55interpretations of songs is
25:56that like, it can be a very
25:58personal, what feels like it's
26:01something that feels like it
26:03only relates to you or you're
26:05only going through it.
26:06And then you hear songs and
26:07they're like either echo
26:08exactly how you're feeling or
26:10someone might have a
26:11completely different
26:12interpretation of it.
26:13Like that feeling stuck in a
26:17rut can be like a post
26:20breakup or relationship, but
26:22it also can be just like
26:22people get into those
26:23head spaces, like whether it's
26:25life or work or environment.
26:28And it's just nice to have
26:29those like songs.
26:31Hopefully this can be one of
26:32those people that gives you a
26:34bit of like a fire in your
26:36belly.
26:36Yeah.
26:37Out of those situations.
26:38No, absolutely.
26:39Yeah.
26:39No, of course.
26:40I mean, I chose these songs
26:41definitely because I could, I
26:44could relate to them because
26:45like, otherwise we'd literally
26:46just be sitting here and it
26:48will literally just be an
26:49interview of question, answer,
26:50question, answer, question,
26:51answer.
26:51Right.
26:52Like I, I wanted to choose
26:53songs that like we could like
26:55discuss about.
26:56Right.
26:56So I'm glad that we've been
26:58able to discuss three songs
27:00with you and I really
27:02appreciate it.
27:02So thank you so much for
27:04sharing.
27:05So before we end the
27:07interview, I actually do have
27:09a rapid fire, quick fire
27:11round if that's, if that's
27:12cool.
27:13Yeah, of course.
27:13Yeah.
27:14Alrighty.
27:15Okay.
27:16Alrighty.
27:17So first answers at the top
27:20of your head.
27:21Alrighty.
27:22First question.
27:23Best advice you've ever
27:25received.
27:26Someone said to me the other
27:27day, it's not that deep.
27:29And that just, that's so
27:32British.
27:33Yeah.
27:33It's really not that deep.
27:34It's not that deep.
27:35It's really not that deep.
27:36I can't remember that all
27:37the time.
27:37I was like overthinking, but
27:39it was, someone just said
27:41it's not that deep.
27:42And I was like, oh yeah.
27:43It's just like, don't deep
27:44it out.
27:44Yeah.
27:45Yeah.
27:45Don't deep it.
27:46Okay.
27:47Love at first sight.
27:48Real or just great song
27:49writing material?
27:50No, I think it's pretty
27:53ripped.
27:54Yeah, I think I believe in
27:55love at first sight.
27:56Alrighty.
27:57Favourite album of all
27:58time?
27:59Oh, so many.
28:02The first one that comes to
28:03mind is Caustic Love by
28:06Paolo Natini.
28:07Alrighty.
28:08Best movie you've seen
28:10recently?
28:11I just watched the Bob
28:12Dillon film on the
28:13plane.
28:13Oh, okay.
28:14Timothee Chalamet.
28:15Yeah, Timothee Chalamet.
28:15Complete Unknown.
28:16I thought it was amazing.
28:18It was so, so good.
28:19He was amazing in it.
28:20I didn't know about like
28:22that much in terms of
28:24Bob Dillon.
28:26Yeah, it was really cool.
28:27Really interesting.
28:28I liked it.
28:28It's on my watch list.
28:29I need to have a look as
28:30well.
28:31What's one song that
28:32always lifts your mood?
28:34September, Earth, Wind and
28:36Fire.
28:36Yeah.
28:37Duh.
28:37Of course.
28:38The first concert you
28:40ever went to?
28:42Jamiroquai with my
28:45parents and I moaned the
28:48whole time because it
28:48was too loud.
28:49Yeah.
28:50I was seven.
28:51I'd love to see Jamiroquai
28:53again now.
28:54I'm gutted that I moaned.
28:55Oh, gosh.
28:56Okay.
28:57Best breakup song of all
28:58time besides your own?
29:00Oh, it's got to be Adele.
29:03An Adele song.
29:04A national treasure.
29:05A national treasure.
29:07Just the 21 album, I'm
29:09going to say.
29:10Yeah.
29:10That whole album.
29:11I agree with you.
29:13And last one.
29:14One lyric from your own
29:15songs that best defines your
29:17review on love.
29:19Maybe Carpet Burn.
29:22I'll take every moment I
29:24get.
29:24And then the next bit of
29:26it is like, I'll take every
29:27moment I get, but it gets
29:27me down.
29:28I didn't know you before we
29:29met.
29:30But maybe just the first
29:32off.
29:32I'll take every moment I
29:33get.
29:34All right.
29:34Brilliant.
29:35And actually, that's the
29:37end of our interview.
29:39Thank you very much for
29:40having me.
29:40Thank you so much.
29:40Do you have a message?
29:42I mean, there are tons of
29:43people who are, I'm sure,
29:44going to be enjoying your,
29:46again, this episode's coming
29:47out, like, after your show,
29:49but I'm sure there are tons
29:51of people who are so excited
29:52to see you tomorrow.
29:53So, do you have a message
29:55for your fans here?
29:57Yeah.
29:58Hello.
29:58Thank you for all the
30:00support.
30:01I can't wait to play the
30:03show tomorrow night.
30:04Thank you for coming to the
30:05show.
30:06I'm sure it's a lovely time.
30:07And, yeah, I hope to be
30:10back very, very soon doing
30:11some headline shows, but
30:12lots of love.
30:14All the best.
30:15All righty.
30:16Thank you for having me.
30:17Thank you so much.
30:18And that's it for today's
30:19episode.
30:20And thank you so much for
30:21tuning into Why Won't You
30:23Love Me?
30:24And we will catch you guys
30:26on the next episode.
30:27Till then, take care.
30:28Stay safe.
30:29Bye.
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