MAXWELL TELLS ALL: Released audio sheds new light on Epstein's death, client list and more

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00:00Thank you very much, you guys. Good afternoon, everybody. I'm Martha McCallum, and a lot of

00:03breaking news this hour. We are just starting to get a look at documents that have been released

00:09by the Justice Department just a few minutes ago. This is the audio and the transcript from

00:16the jailhouse interview with Jeffrey Epstein's convicted accomplice, Glenn Maxwell. Justice

00:22correspondent David Spunt is going through all of this from Washington. We're just starting to get

00:28a look reading through some of the introduction here. David, obviously, it's early. There's a lot

00:34of documents and a lot of audio here, but what have you been able to see in these so far?

00:39Well, in just a few minutes, Martha, we've been looking through this, and we can tell you the

00:43top line here is that there's no client list, according to Glenn Maxwell, and there are no

00:50high-powered individuals that were on any sort of list. She did not incriminate anybody in that

00:56nine-hour interview that she did with the deputy attorney general, Todd Blanche. She said right

01:01here, quote, there is no list. We'll start with that. The genesis of that story I can actually trace

01:07for you is from its absolute inception if that is what you're interested in. That's part of the DOJ

01:13transcript. Todd Blanche went down to meet with her in a highly unusual move last month down in

01:19Tallahassee, Florida, where she was serving that 20-year sentence at the time. Now she's been moved

01:25just outside of College Station, Texas. She was Jeffrey Epstein's longtime girlfriend. She was

01:31convicted of helping him sex traffic, underage female victims. I've reached out to her attorney.

01:38I've not heard anything from the attorney yet, but she also said, quote, I do not believe

01:42he died by suicide. The official finding was that Jeffrey Epstein died by suicide in his prison cell

01:51back in August of 2019 in Manhattan. She was charged a short time later. Again, she's serving

01:57a 20-year sentence. So Todd Blanche, Martha, goes down, talks to Glenn Maxwell, does a two-day interview

02:04with her. This is all part of DOJ's transparency effort to get information about Epstein out there

02:10after the Justice Department earlier in July said that the investigation wouldn't yield anything

02:17else. It was closed. And there was major blowback toward President Trump, toward Attorney General

02:22Pam Bondi, FBI Director Cash Patel, and Deputy Director Dan Bongino and others. It's interesting,

02:30and you can stop me if I'm talking too much here, but it is interesting. I noticed President Trump in

02:34the Oval Office, Martha, was just asked at another event, a FIFA soccer event about an hour and a half

02:41ago about Epstein documents, and he commented on that. And he said, I told Pam, meaning Attorney General

02:48Bondi and others, to get as much information out as possible. But he said, I'm afraid that it might

02:54ruin some people's lives because anybody can be accused of anything. But really, the top line here is

03:02Maxwell never, you know, had any type of client list of Jeffrey Epstein's, did not incriminate any

03:11high-power individuals. This coming from a well-placed source who's been briefed on this

03:16investigation. We're going through that as well. And then not to give our viewers too much information,

03:22but the Justice Department today actually handed over a bunch of Epstein-related documents to the House

03:29Oversight Committee as part of its investigation. And we know that James Comer just put out a

03:37statement, and he basically said that DOJ put out its first production of Epstein documents related to

03:44the subpoena. But that's going to take a long time before they put that out to the public because they

03:49have to get rid of any type of incriminating information, not incriminating information,

03:53any identifying information, I should say, of potential victims, Jeffrey Epstein or Ghislaine

04:00Maxwell victims, Martha.

04:02Yeah, this is very interesting, David. Thank you very much. And we'll let you continue to

04:07pour through these. We're looking through these documents as we speak as well. Let's bring in

04:11Jim Trustee, former federal prosecutor, get his thoughts on the early release of this or the early

04:16reaction to the release of this, I should say. Jim, welcome. It's Friday afternoon, heading into

04:22the last week of summer as we get this drop, your reaction to it and what you've heard so far.

04:29Yeah, I mean, all of it's really intriguing to me. I mean, again, the big picture is we don't

04:35normally look in prosecutors' files if there's not a trial. You know, we kind of let the evidence play

04:41out after an indictment. We see what happens at a trial. Here we've got this kind of bizarro world,

04:46I think maybe fueled by special counsels where they write reports, where everyone feels like we're

04:51entitled because we care so much about Jeffrey Epstein to look at all the evidence and find

04:56out if there's other names. Well, the reason we don't share files, yeah, it's partly to protect

05:00victims, and in this case, young women that were molested. But we're also protecting people from

05:05essentially defamation or guilt by association when they've never had a chance to totally acquit

05:10themselves. So this whole world we're living in now where it's like, let's do an interview and then put

05:15it out for the world to review on a Friday is kind of odd to me. Now, the starting point was a pretty

05:20typical starting point for federal prosecutors, which is a proffered letter. It's not full immunity.

05:24It's basically saying, for our conversation today, Ms. Maxwell, as long as you're truthful with us,

05:30we'll never use any of your words against you in any sort of prosecution. Again, very unlikely that

05:35there's going to be a new prosecution of her. But that's kind of a typical thing. They call it

05:38queen for the day immunity. And that's what she received to get this conversation going in the

05:43first place. And, you know, it seems like a lot of it's probably going to be kind of just

05:47a little bit self-serving opinions. Like, it doesn't really matter what Ms. Maxwell thinks

05:52about whether Epstein killed himself, but she wants to opine about it.

05:56So why do you think they decided to release this? As we just mentioned by David Spunt,

06:00the president was asked about this in the Oval Office when he was talking about

06:03FIFA and the upcoming events in 2026. And he said, well, I've asked Pam, the attorney general,

06:09to put out whatever they can. And just going through this, you know, there are names in here that have,

06:14you know, to do with who her father did business with, you know. And you can easily imagine

06:20people reporting, oh, well, this name and that name are in the Epstein file. But this is in sort

06:25of the groundwork that they're laying as they begin speaking with her about who her father,

06:31Robert Maxwell, a famous British publisher who's involved in a lot of businesses.

06:36So there are names in here that have nothing to do with the period, you know, this is before she

06:42ever met Epstein. So I see what you're saying, James. Yeah, I think, I mean, that's troublesome,

06:47right? I mean, you know, there's people that really didn't do anything wrong that are suddenly

06:50going to be in the spotlight. And that's just a kind of a strange scenario that we're finding

06:54ourselves in. You know, as to why they released it, I mean, look, the grand jury materials,

07:00I think were kind of properly protected by a judge who said, no, it's not enough just that

07:05the world's really excited and wants to know kind of scurrilous details about Epstein and

07:10Maxwell. The judge, I think, properly, you know, respected the statutory protections we

07:15have for grand jury materials. This one's kind of different. I mean, I almost wonder if

07:18the deputy attorney general basically talked to the attorneys and said, you know, my intention

07:24is to release this publicly and maybe she'll get some form of credit for that. And so we have

07:29to kind of wait and see a little bit whether the jail transfer made anything or if that

07:33was just coincidental. And then there is a vehicle for reducing sentences for cooperation

07:38called Rule 35 of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure. It's conceivable that they'd say

07:43this was somehow very helpful and we're going to try to reduce your sentence. I'm not banking

07:47on that, but there is an actual mechanism they could use if they wanted to.

07:50Well, we know that the families of the young women who were part of the Glenn Maxwell trial

07:57have spoken out very strongly saying that they hope there is no leniency given to her.

08:04But we'll see if that happens or not. You know, it's interesting at the beginning of this document,

08:09Jim, she talks a lot about the fact that she just wants to tell her story to the government.

08:14And she says all through this process, the government never interviewed me, never asked

08:18me any questions. And I've always wanted to tell them what I know.

08:21Yeah, that's a two way street, though. I mean, look, most of the time, particularly while Epstein

08:27was alive and pending a case, you know, it would have made a lot of sense for her attorneys

08:32to come to the government and say, hey, you know, she's in a position to help you out and

08:36go down that route of being a cooperating defendant where you don't get a free pass, but you don't

08:41end up getting 20 years. You get some sort of reduction for cooperation. That didn't seem

08:45to happen on her end either. I mean, it's there are circumstances where as a prosecutor,

08:49you say, I'm not going to make a deal with the devil to go after a demon. You know, I'm

08:53not going to cut slack to this person because they're at the high end. And she's definitely

08:57a partner of Jeffrey Epstein. But I think that if her attorneys had made overtures to potentially

09:04cooperate, she would have had that opportunity to tell the story. And, you know, it didn't

09:08happen. I don't think she can quite blame the government for that.

09:11Yeah. It also is coming out that she says that former President Clinton, she saw he was on

09:18the plane with Jeffrey Epstein. I think we knew that. She says she never saw him getting

09:24a massage on the plane. You know, you think about how these things are going to be parsed

09:29and how carefully she may be phrasing some of these things, Jim.

09:34Yeah, that's look, that's a red flag. I mean, you know, it's funny when you talk about certain

09:39types of proffer sessions, when you meet with a cooperating defendant, I've had them with,

09:44you know, MS-13 members. And I'd rather almost have the shameless sociopath, somebody that'll

09:51sit there and tell you right to your face how they killed somebody and not really have any sense

09:55of dissembling or rationalization than somebody who's a little more sophisticated, like some of

09:59the white collar type defendants. And the reality is she seems like she might be quite capable

10:04of rationalizing, dissembling, being very precise to the point of perhaps being deceptive.

10:10So in any of these circumstances where you're talking to somebody with an incentive

10:14to please the government like she has, you have to be really careful that she's not kind

10:19of playing you for a tune and telling you some stuff that's just a little too self-serving.

10:24So in terms of the government's ability to change her situation, she was already moved from,

10:31I guess, a rougher prison environment to something that is a little bit more moderate,

10:36a little bit more comfortable for her to live in, I guess. What could happen to her next?

10:41You know, given the fact that she was convicted by a jury, what's down the road here potentially?

10:47Yeah, I mean, look, it's totally in the hands of the federal government. I mean,

10:50there's two options. Her attorney was kind of shooting for the stars and settling for the moon,

10:55saying we'd be glad to get a pardon from President Trump. I don't know if that's in the cards.

10:59I don't think she's a particularly attractive candidate for a pardon or a commutation.

11:03But that Rule 35 I mentioned is a vehicle that can be used to reward cooperation. It's just

11:09normally the cooperation has to be a little more substantial than just feeding the press. It has

11:14to be something that helps you build a case or helps you, you know, develop new targets. And again,

11:21too early to know what's in this whole series of transcripts, but it's not grabbing me that that's

11:25a likely outcome that would normally be a justification for some sort of benefit for her to reduce the

11:30sentence. Yeah. I mean, that feels like the question and you just put your finger on it.

11:36If it isn't information that is useful for a coming prosecution or a coming legal process,

11:43and it's just sort of to put it out there, it's hard to see what the leverage is for her and that.

11:49Yeah. I mean, again, there's a lot of discretion. The judge has to approve of any sort of motion like

11:54this. And they usually do. You know, if a prosecutor says, hey, I know this person never testified,

12:00but they gave us some information that was helpful, gave us some leads, you know, that usually will

12:05sell where a judge will consider a reduction, maybe not to the extent of a reduction that the

12:10prosecutor asked for. But here we're just in this different territory of there is no pending case.

12:16You know, we wanted to talk to her to kind of satiate the media beast and the people that are all dying to

12:22hear all these kind of, you know, sexy details. And I don't know, doesn't grab me as something where

12:27she's necessarily going to be able to prevail upon Todd Blanche and company to give her a reduction in

12:33her sentence, even if that's entirely what drove her conversation.

12:37Yeah. Well, certainly her story has spilled out all over the place. There's about six or eight,

12:42I guess, audio tapes that have been released and the entire transcripts of the conversation

12:47between Ghislaine Maxwell and Todd Blanche and more attorneys on either side. You can see these

12:53headlines crossing on the bottom of our screen that are also found in this transcript. She said

12:57that President Trump was a gentleman in all respects. She said that she didn't remember seeing

13:02President Clinton on the island, although I reported earlier that she talked about him being on the

13:06plane. So all of these, as you say, Jim, sort of salacious details that will be gobbled up by the

13:13press as Ghislaine Maxwell finally gets the opportunity to tell her story. And it's very

13:19lengthy on the front end, I'll tell you. She goes into her whole psychology of her relationship with

13:24her father. And I guess there's some suggestion that maybe that, you know, set her up for a strange

13:30relationship with Jeffrey Epstein and maybe that she's looking to build that as some sort of excuse

13:35for the things that she was convicted for. But we'll continue to dig in here. Jim, thank you

13:40very much. Good to have you with us today. Yep. Good to see you. The Justice Department is also

13:45sending some of the Epstein files over to the House Oversight Committee today. Are you in support of

13:51them releasing all of them? I'm in support of keeping it open. If they wanted to release. People shouldn't

13:55be hurt, but I'm in support of keeping it totally open. I couldn't care less. You've got a lot of people

13:59that could be mentioned in those files that don't deserve to be, you know, people, because he knew

14:04everybody in Palm Beach. I don't know anything about that, but I have said to Pam and everybody else, give them

14:08everything you can give them because it's a it's a Democrat hoax. That's just a hoax. The whole Epstein

14:13thing is a Democrat hoax. So we had the greatest six months, seven months in the history of the

14:18presidency and the Democrats don't know what to do. So they keep bringing up that stuff, but it affected

14:24them. The Bill Clinton was on his plane and went to the island supposedly 28 times. I don't want to bring

14:32that up, frankly. You have Larry, whatever his name is, Summers, the head of Harvard, who was

14:38Jeffrey Epstein's best friend. Nobody ever talks about that. I mean, but I don't want to hurt Larry

14:43Summers, but he was best friends with Jeffrey Epstein. No, this is a Democratic hoax to try and get

14:48the significance of what we've done over the past seven months. Nobody's ever seen anything like

14:56it. They say it's number one in history. What we've done, including stopping seven wars. I mean,

15:01just include that. And now you look and now you look at the stock market today. It's way up to start

15:06off with from where I took it. And this market was going to crash. If Joe Biden or Kamala were president,

15:12at this market, we would have had a crash like in 1929. You're not going to have that. It's only a

15:18question of how high is it going to go. You know, I had the strongest economy in the history of our

15:22country. And despite COVID, we had the strongest economy in the history of our country. And we're

15:29going to blow it away this time. I was always good at making a lot of money. And whether it was for

15:34myself or whether it was I like doing it this way better. I mean, I like I like making it for the

15:38country. Our country has been ripped off by friend and foe nations all over the world ripped

15:43off. And the friends have been much worse than the foes for the most part. And they're not ripping

15:49us off. We just signed a deal with the European Union. They're paying us essentially $950 billion

15:54like a signing fee. They're going to buy $750 billion worth of energy. They weren't buying much

16:01of our energy there. And they're very smart in doing it. And as you know, Ursula was here a couple of

16:07days ago having to do with the people, the leaders that we had agreed. People said they've never seen

16:12it. They like it. Well, we had the leaders of Europe right here in the Oval Office. And she's so happy

16:18that she has an agreement. But people aren't ripping us anymore. They're we're run by this country is

16:24run by smart people now. First breaking tonight, Jeffrey Epstein's sidekick, Yelene Maxwell, says she

16:30never witnessed then businessman Donald Trump receive a massage aboard Epstein's jet. She says he was a

16:36gentleman in all respects at all times. Tonight we're getting a first look at the transcripts

16:41from her two days of interviews with the number two official at the Justice Department. Today's

16:47release came without any warning. Senior national correspondent Rich Edson has been looking through

16:51the documents all afternoon. Good evening, Rich. Good evening, Jillian. The Justice Department

16:56unexpectedly released audio and transcripts covering about nine hours of interviews with

17:01Ghislaine Maxwell. The conversation with Deputy Attorney General Todd Blanch covered Jeffrey Epstein's

17:06death and his relationships with Presidents Trump and Clinton. Maxwell said this about Trump's behavior.

17:13I never saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president in any

17:19inappropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody. In the times that I was

17:26with him, he was a gentleman in all respects. Now, the Epstein associate told Blanche she thought Trump

17:31and Epstein were friendly but were not close. She says the photographs of Epstein and Trump together

17:37were from social settings. As for another president's relationship with Epstein?

17:43You're not aware of President Clinton ever going to the island? He never, absolutely never went,

17:49and I can be sure of that because there's no way he would have gone. Earlier today, Trump repeated his

17:53claim that Clinton had been to the Caribbean retreat more than a dozen times. The department

17:58previously determined Epstein committed suicide in 2019 in jail, but Maxwell thinks otherwise.

18:05I do not believe he died by suicide, no. And do you believe that, um, do you have any speculation or view

18:12of who killed him? I, no, I don't. She also says that claims Epstein worked for American or foreign

18:19intelligence services are nonsense, and she denied Epstein kept a client list. Maxwell is serving

18:2520 years in federal prison for convictions on sex trafficking and other crimes related to Epstein's

18:31sexual abuse of underage teens. She is actively seeking clemency from the Supreme Court. After her

18:37discussion with Blanche, prison officials moved Maxwell to a lower security penitentiary in Texas.

18:43The Trump administration has been under pressure to release all the government's documents related

18:47to the Epstein case. This afternoon, the Justice Department separately delivered more Epstein

18:52documents to the House Oversight Committee to comply with a congressional subpoena. Maxwell has

18:58maintained her innocence. Prosecutors allege she was properly convicted of recruiting vulnerable

19:03teenage girls, grooming, and abusing them. Jillian? All right, Rich Edson with those details for us

19:08tonight. Thank you. All right, now let's broaden this conversation out. Joining me to do so is former CIA

19:13analyst Buck Sexton. He's a nationally syndicated radio host with the Clay Travis and Buck Sexton show

19:18and nationally syndicated political reporter Selena Zito. Also, we have with us Fox News contributor

19:23Jason Chaffetz. Let's take what we've heard so far, Buck, and tell me what you make of what she has to say

19:30about President Trump, about the client list, about Bill Clinton.

19:34Well, I think she's largely affirming what is already known and not really advancing the knowledge

19:43of the case at all, which is unsurprising if you look at the motivations that she would have at this

19:48point. But first, in terms of what is known and solidifying what is known, President Trump

19:53did absolutely nothing wrong. There's no evidence. There's no indication. There's nothing whatsoever

19:57to suggest that President Trump ever did anything wrong with regard to all of this.

20:02So many of us have known that from just the case files and everything going back for quite some

20:06time. But she vociferously and repeatedly goes to that. OK, so people can put that aside now.

20:13I mean, that's I don't know how much more is going to be necessary for that to become. There are people

20:18who will hate Trump and try to lie about him no matter what. But I think that's affirmed now in a way

20:23that we can we can move beyond it. She also says, essentially, nobody else did anything wrong.

20:28She didn't see any meaning other than Jeffrey Epstein. She didn't see any criminal conduct

20:33that Jeffrey Epstein even did herself. There is no blacklist. Now, that's always been a shorthand

20:39and people talk about a blacklist. What they really mean is people who were blackmailed. But

20:42Will, as I was going through the transcripts, she says there was no blackmail. She also says at all

20:47of anyone. She also says that the money was made through high stakes financial deals.

20:52What? There's some things here that just still don't add up. And I think we need further

20:58clarification on some of the points that she made. And I think that maybe that will be forthcoming

21:04from the DOJ. So you're absolutely right, Buck. I think there are very legitimate questions about

21:09Ghislaine Maxwell's motivations and credibility. And in just a moment, we're going to be getting more

21:13into those deeper issues that accompany questions about blackmail and international or domestic

21:20intelligence. But let's stick with the names for just one more moment. Jason, I want to read to

21:24you now. We're working on ingesting this audio. This all just dropped about one hour and 10 minutes

21:29ago. But I want to read you now from page 265 of the interrogation from Deputy Attorney General

21:34Todd Blanche. He asked Ghislaine Maxwell, and you're not, I think you said you don't, you're not aware of

21:41President Clinton ever going to the island. To that, Ghislaine Maxwell says he never, absolutely never went

21:47to the island. And on that note, Jason, there have been a lot of questions. Obviously,

21:53the political focus has been of late on President Trump. We've heard Ghislaine Maxwell on Jeffrey

22:00Epstein's relationship with President Trump. But there remain a lot of questions about his

22:03relationship with Bill Clinton. Yeah, this is a person in Ghislaine Maxwell that knows a lot about

22:11Epstein, that he has, you know, erectile dysfunction, but, you know, plays the part of

22:16Sergeant Schultz and can't recall anything that anybody did any wrong. That list may not be written

22:22down on some nice acute spreadsheet, but it's in her head. And I wish they would just ask her the

22:28simple question. Well, then the people who visited the island start writing down a list. If you're going

22:32to get limited immunity, you better start coming up with a list. And I, you know, you can verify

22:38whether or not President Clinton went to the island, go ask the Secret Service. You know,

22:43there's a reason. The Secret Service is secretive, but they're also law enforcement. And if there was

22:48a commission of a crime, they still need to answer questions. They shouldn't be bashful about asking

22:53them. And I think they should go to that direction. But I don't buy what she's selling at this point.

23:00She is highly motivated to say whatever she needs to say in order to get out earlier. But come on,

23:06there's two people that went to jail. Only one of them is still alive. And there's nobody else that

23:10did anything wrong. And you can't come up with anybody else who did. What were these young women

23:16doing going to the island? Playing hopscotch? Getting lessons on how to sing or play the violin?

23:22Come on. There's a lot more here. Okay. And here is another big question. We'll go to you on this,

23:27Selena. The question that everyone has been asking for several years, did Jeffrey Epstein commit

23:32suicide? She was asked this again by Todd Blanche. Here's that exchange. Do you, so you think he was,

23:39he did not die by suicide given all the things we've just talked about. Ghislaine Maxwell responds,

23:44I do not believe he died by suicide. No. What do you make of that, Selena?

23:51Well, I'm not surprised by that answer. This is someone that believes that they knew him well,

23:58probably knew him better than anyone else. So for her to make that assumption, that's not surprising.

24:07You hear that from people all the time when they lose someone to suicide, that I can't believe they

24:13did that, right? This is her version of saying that. So that doesn't shock me. The other thing I

24:22think is important to note, and the woman's name escaped me, but the reporter from Miami who had

24:29done such great reporting on Epstein has said all along that there never was a list. And so she kind

24:39of reinforced that. Now, to her other things that she said, like nothing, you know, untoward happened,

24:46well, she's just protecting herself, right? But in that moment, she's in that bubble of self-preservation.

24:52The idea that there would be a list does defy common sense for any common criminal. Why would

24:59you maintain your own evidentiary criminality? But to Jason Chavis' point, that doesn't mean

25:06there aren't clients. Just because there might not be a list doesn't mean there are not clients.

25:12And Ghislaine Maxwell could be put to the test on naming the names, creating the list after the fact

25:18of people that she saw on the plane, Buck, or at the island. And again, we are digging through this

25:25virtually in real time. I'm not seeing that here. I'm not even seeing Ghislaine Maxwell pressed on what

25:30are the names of these clients?

25:32Yes. I mean, if you were to take Ghislaine Maxwell at her word here, and I think all of us, you will,

25:41and the rest of the esteemed panel are looking at this like, come on, we understand that there's

25:46likely a lot being held back or outright falsehood at this point, although it'd be tough to prove

25:51some of those falsehoods. It depends. This is, I think, a moment where we have to ask, hold on a

25:57second, if she's unmotivated here to tell the truth, what are we going to get out of this?

26:03And I think that that's where you have to see other aspects of this trial coming together,

26:08because she's telling us that essentially the only criminality that occurred here was Jeffrey

26:13Epstein's, that he hid, that even she, who was so close to him, didn't know about. It's just not

26:18credible. It's just not credible. That part of it, I think, is where it most obviously falls apart.

26:23Um, and, and as, as for the list or the, uh, the possible blackmail list, again, I think this is

26:29a little bit, the terminology has become a stumbling block here. It's to your point, Will,

26:33clients, people who were involved with Epstein, who were giving him fantastic sums of money and,

26:39and, and other things. And we don't really understand still to this day, he was involved in

26:44getting like large sums of money. But how, well, what exactly was he doing? This is all traceable.

26:50This should all be trackable. I want to know how Epstein made the money that he did. I want to

26:56know what the transactions are he was involved in. And that should all be something that the

27:01Treasury Department, the FBI can get access to. Because in the meantime, what we're left with

27:05is Gillian Maxwell effectively downplaying this whole thing. Yeah. He was a pedophile. He hid it

27:11from everybody. Nobody else was involved. There's no proof of anything else. There's no blackmail.

27:15There's no foreign intelligence tie. Oh, wow. That just brings it all together with a bow for her,

27:20doesn't it? She probably wants to get out early. So I think that we have more digging to do. I think

27:24the DOJ transparency effort here is the right thing. But the reason it's on a Friday, Will,

27:29is I think there are no smoking guns. There's other places we have to look.

27:33Well, Buck, you appropriately pushed the conversation to the deeper and more important

27:37conversation. The existence of a client list or salacious names who may have had relations with

27:42Jeffrey Epstein in some ways has been a distraction to the deeper story of who was Jeffrey Epstein and

27:48who were the people around him, like Ghislaine Maxwell. Who is Ghislaine Maxwell? For that matter,

27:53who is her father, Robert Maxwell? Well, this all came up in this interview.

27:59All right. It's time to bring in our panel. We've got Fox News contributor Mark Thiessen,

28:04Real Clear Politics White House correspondent Phil Wegman, and Democratic strategist Megan Hayes.

28:09Great to have all of you with us here on set tonight. Mark, let's start with this. Take a listen

28:14to Ghislaine Maxwell talking to Todd Blanche about former President Bill Clinton.

28:20I think you said you don't, you're not aware of President Clinton ever going to the island.

28:27He never, absolutely never went, and I can be sure of that because there's no way he would have gone,

28:31I don't believe there's any way that he would have gone to the island had I not been there.

28:36Nobody. Nobody would believe it. I mean, to listen to her speak on these audio tapes,

28:43you would think she's Mother Teresa. I know. Nobody she knows has ever even

28:47done any, even thought anything inappropriate. Yeah. So she says there's no client list.

28:53There is a client list. I know there's a client list. You know how I know there's a client list?

28:56It's in her head. She was the pimp. She was the one who procured the girls. She was the one who was

29:01his connection to all the wealthy people. No one went to the island without her permission or

29:05without her recruiting them. She knows every child who was, who was, who was abused. She

29:10knows every person who did it. I remember, you know, in the old legal shows, when you interrogate

29:15somebody, you take a legal pad and a pen and say, write it, write down your statement. Somebody

29:20should give her a legal pad and say, write down the list. She's got it in her head.

29:25Megan, the big question today is why on earth they are talking to her now? Blanche asked her some

29:31questions about President Trump. Take a listen to this clip of one of her answers.

29:36I actually never saw the president in any type of massage setting. I never witnessed the president

29:41in any inappropriate setting in any way. The president was never inappropriate with anybody.

29:48In the times that I was with him, he was a gentleman in all respects.

29:53I mean, I am in the camp that everyone should be held accountable from Democrats, Republicans,

29:58the people who managed the money. All of the people should be held accountable. There is absolutely

30:02no reason that anybody should be, she should not be the only person in jail for this. There are

30:07hundreds and hundreds of victims. And to your point, she knows who the victims are. She also

30:11knows who the perpetrators are. There, they need, there needs to be held account, more accountability

30:15being held. So if that's releasing more files, if that is more interviews, and that's what needs to be

30:19happening, this is disgusting that we have let this go on so long. And there is literally only one

30:23person in jail for it. In a way, Phil, this effort undertaken by the Trump administration to bring

30:30transparency to this has given this woman a platform to defend herself, to defend her disgraced

30:38associates, to defend the horrible things that they did for decades. And despite that lovely British

30:46accent, Ghislaine Maxwell is a monster. She's a self-motivated monster because right now she wants a

30:51pardon. I'm not surprised during this interview that she went out of her way not to make any new

30:55political enemies. But I doubt that the public is going to doubt, is going to take at face value

31:00anything she says. And I don't think that this is going to get rid of the scandal around this. Some

31:05of the claims that she made, to Mark's point about there not being a list, or even the claim that there

31:10were no recordings that she saw, just aren't true. For instance, we already know that Epstein's New York

31:15mansion was wired and there were cameras everywhere. So I doubt that this is the end of anything.

31:21Well, there was some other big news today. We could talk about this for the whole panel,

31:26but I want to get you guys to respond to the raid, the FBI raid on former National Security Advisor

31:31John Bolton's home took course, and his offices took course over, you know, a few hours this morning

31:38and afternoon. What do you make of that? So one thing that no one ever has accused John Bolton of

31:43is being stupid. He might not like him. You might not agree with him. You might think that he betrayed

31:48Donald Trump, but he's not dumb. So I would be surprised if he had classified documents lying

31:53around in his house, you know, by the Corvette in the garage or something like that.

31:59On the other hand, the FBI can't simply raid somebody's house willy-nilly because

32:04Kash Patel says they should. You've got to go to a court. You've got to go to a judge and get a

32:08warrant. And you have to show probable cause that you're going to find something.

32:11So there's got to be something that has given it, that told the judge, yes, you can go and do this.

32:16And it's real simple. Either John Bolton did something wrong and he has things he shouldn't

32:20have and information that he shouldn't have in his home, or he didn't. And one of them is going

32:25to be in trouble as a result. John Bolton ain't dumb, but neither is, you know, former President

32:30Biden, former Vice President Mike Pence, President Trump himself, all who have mishandled classified

32:38information in various settings. Would you be surprised if the FBI hauled documents out of

32:45there that we are ultimately going to see were classified? I would be surprised, especially

32:49at this point. His book has already come out. That is what this is about. This is political

32:53retribution here. And I think the really unfortunate thing is there are people who break laws who

32:57deserve to have the FBI raiding their homes. And every piece of when the DOJ is weaponized and the FBI

33:02is weaponized, that just shows mistrust more in our government and more in our prosecution of

33:07these different institutions. And that's really the, I think, the biggest unfortunate thing that

33:13happened today. What was your take, Phil? The president says that this is nonpartisan, that this

33:17is just law and order. And for proof in the Oval Office today, he said, look at some of my other

33:21enemies. They're just fine. But the impression among the president's supporters, and one that I think

33:27FBI Director Kash Patel fed into with that cryptic post on Twitter, is that this is cosmic karma, that this is

33:33John Bolton getting what he deserves for betraying the president. And in their mind, this isn't the

33:37crossing of a Rubicon after the raid on Mar-a-Lago, after Steve Bannon went to jail. The one thing that

33:44I think we do know right now, though, to your point, a judge signed off on this. And then my sources

33:48inside and outside of the administration, they say that this is about much more than the book. They say

33:53that there's actually some there there. So we'll have to wait and see. We did hear earlier today that,

33:58you know, from Chris Swecker, from Jonathan Turley, that the bar here, the legal bar for executing

34:04this warrant and this search is pretty high, to Phil's point. This is not just about some

34:11something that was printed, you know, years ago in a book. Yes. And there was an investigation

34:15under the Biden administration that was stopped. So they claim that they're resurrecting that

34:21investigation. And there's there's got to be you can't just barge. You know, the constitutional

34:26standard is you can't just FBI can't just barge into your home and search for things because they

34:30think there might be something there if they don't have any evidence. You have to go to a judge. You

34:34have to present get probable calls or else you can't do it. Megan, last word to you. I think

34:38that's all true. And I think that is definitely fair. But I do think when the the director of the FBI

34:42and the attorney general are start tweeting things out at the exact same time this house is being

34:46raided, it makes people believe that it is a political attack, a political attack. And it makes it feel

34:51very much like retribution from the president. There were a lot of tweets about Donald Trump's 91

34:54indictments and multiple civil suits and two. Not at the exact same time. Not at the exact

34:59same time that his house was being raided. Panel, got to leave it there. Thanks for joining us

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