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The political battle in Bihar intensifies as the Prime Minister takes on the opposition. The main points of contention are the term 'ghuspetiae' (infiltrators) and the special intensive role revision (SIR) by the Election Commission, which the BJP supports as a method to remove infiltrators. In opposition, Rahul Gandhi and Tejasvi Yadav are holding a 'vote adhikar rally', rejecting the SIR exercise. The Prime Minister, during a speech in Gaya, spoke in the local Magahi dialect and focused on development and corruption. In contrast, Rahul Gandhi is undertaking a 16-day, 1300-kilometer rally across 25 districts, a marked increase in presence compared to 2020. An analyst suggests the 'ghuspetiae' issue is framed to bring back "the issue of minorities versus majority" to influence Dalit, OBC, and MBC voters as the campaign progresses.
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00:00It's come down to two aspects, viewers. The Prime Minister taking the battle in Bihar head-on was in Bihar this afternoon.
00:09And the line of contention, the same. Ghuspetie, infiltrators, all went in the backdrop of the Vote Adhikar rally of Rahul Gandhi and Tejasvi,
00:19where they are outrightly rejecting the Election Commission exercise of the Special Intensive Role Revision,
00:26which ultimately, as per the BJP, is engineered to get rid of infiltrators.
00:33All right, so battle lines drawn in Bihar. We're going to cut across to our panelists as well,
00:38Siddharth Yadav, National Spokesperson on BJP, Mahima Singh, National Spokesperson, Congress,
00:44Ajit Kumar Jha, Senior Journalist and Political Analyst.
00:48Before we begin with our political analysts and spokespersons, I want to bring in Ajit Kumar Jha
00:54on how he reads the current situation. In the current context, Ajit Jha, of infiltration, infiltrators and the SIR exercise.
01:05Let me begin with by saying that Rahul Gandhi has taken the advantage by going to the people
01:14with his 16 days, 1300 kilometers Vote Adhikar rally. And he's actually moving around all the way from Sassaram.
01:26He's going to go around the state up to Darbhanga and then come down to Patna, almost covering 25 districts.
01:34So if you compare that to 2020, the last election, Rahul Gandhi was almost absent during the election.
01:41So he's taken the advantage. But Prime Minister, in his typical style, when he begins from Gaya Ji,
01:49as he called it, by the way, I was also not aware that Gaya Ji has got a new name, Gaya Ji.
01:56When he began his bhashan, you know, what appeals to the people, the first three lines when he spoke,
02:03it was in typical Magihi. And that's the language of that area. So obviously, you saw people sort of, you know,
02:11clapping and thrilled with that, number one. And number two, he talked at length about development,
02:19about corruption by the RJD without naming Lalu Prasad Yadav. And then I think the two issues that he talked about,
02:27of this PMCM bill, and the way he put it, that, you know, obviously referring to Rahul Gandhi and Tejasui,
02:37when he talked about the fact that those on bail and others are basically going to face the consequences,
02:45that I think resonated with the audience much more.
02:49And then this issue of Ghospaithi. Now, this Ghospaithi issue is obviously, in some ways, through the back door,
02:58a sort of what I would call, you know, in the nationalist, let's say, framework,
03:04it brings back the issue of minorities versus majority.
03:08And to what extent will majority voters get affected by that, especially the Dalit, the OVC,
03:17and the MBC, is a question we will see as the campaign picks up.
03:22Okay. All right. I'm going to come right back, you know, Mr. Jha. I just want to also quickly,
03:27you know, let's nat up on that. This is a rally in Bhaagalpur, where you have Rahul Gandhi and Tejasui speaking.
03:32Let's quickly dip in for about 30 seconds.
03:35Let's go.
04:05All right. So Rahul Gandhi and Tejasui, their vote yatra, adhikar yatra, has reached Bhaagalpur.
04:23But I want to quickly cut across to our BJP spokesperson, Siddharth Yadav, who's joining us.
04:30Siddharth Yadav, one thing is at least very clear that the battle lines are drawn where Bihar is concerned.
04:34The backdrop will be SIR. It will be, you know, the talk, the narrative, the pole plank centered around Guspaitiye infiltrators,
04:43at least from the BJP side. That's what it seems. Of course, with that added layer of development and what the governance of NDA will bring to Bihar.
04:51No, Preeti, I do not agree with that statement. The Bharatiya Janta party has not set the background of this election to SIR.
05:00It is Rahul Gandhi, the Congress party, the RJD, Tejasui, adhikar, and all of them choosing.
05:06And rather, I would say such an unfortunate moment for them that they have been in opposition for so many years,
05:12but they choose this only one issue to be their prime issue after the NDA has delivered so many years of good governance.
05:19One can imagine what Bihar was going through and what Bihar, the kind of development that Bihar has seen over the past years.
05:26And it is also proven by the fact that when Rahul Gandhi, Tejasui, adhikar, takes to the roads,
05:31they have nothing else than a propaganda of vote chori, vote ka adhikar, vote ki atra,
05:37no other issue that they can point out that the government which has been serving the people from past 15 years
05:43has not been able to deliver what they were promising.
05:46We have a very clear agenda. We are here for the public.
05:49We took out Bihar from Jangal Raj.
05:52We took out Bihar and took it to the road of development.
05:55We have done to Bihar what Tejasui, adhikar, and his family, the Congress Party, and the family,
06:03the first family, always hated to do with Bihar.
06:07We have seen what Congress Party feels about Bihar and Biharis.
06:11I remember the statement of Chandranjit Singh Channi when he says,
06:14I recall the statement of their another Chief Minister, Revan Singh Reddy,
06:22who says, Telangana ka DNA, Bihar ka DNA se behter hai.
06:26When this is the pretext of the opposition parties,
06:28when this is what their goal about the state is,
06:31when all they want is, whatever we do, however we do,
06:34get us into power so that we can save our corruption,
06:37we can save our face saving,
06:39we can do whatever we like and bring back the Jangal Raj again,
06:43this is not going to happen in Bihar.
06:45The people of Bihar are very samajdar,
06:48people of Bihar are very smart,
06:50they are going to vote for development,
06:51and this propaganda all around votes
06:53and their vote adhikari yatra is going to fall down like anything.
06:57Mahima, I want to get you in.
06:59The fact is, is the Mahagat Bandhan
07:01putting all its eggs in the anti-SIR basket?
07:09Jai Hind, Shreeti, I want to begin with Vaseem Bareilvi's words.
07:14The BJP is visibly rattled today because the Supreme Court has pronounced yet another order.
07:27Another will come on September the 8th.
07:29But today what has come out, Preeti, has tightened the news on the SIR and on BJP's malafied intentions.
07:37In fact, I would say the Supreme Court has laid it bare for all of us to see.
07:42The BJP is the NDA's malafied intentions.
07:46The BJP is Mr. Modi's crooked plans for everybody to see.
07:49I would rather agree with the BJP spokesperson for a change when he says,
07:54BJP, that the people of Bihar are very smart.
07:58Absolutely.
07:59The people of Bihar are very smart.
08:01They are such wise people and, you know, they may tolerate unemployment,
08:06which has skyrocketed in the past so many years of the NDA's rule.
08:10They may tolerate inflation.
08:12They may have been tolerating crime against women.
08:14They may have been tolerating floods, which is still ongoing, but they will not tolerate vote chori.
08:20And when you ask me, Preeti, that are we putting all our eggs in one basket,
08:25I would rather say that at the moment, the nucleus of politics in this country
08:31is rather the sabotage of vote, which has been inflicted upon all of us by the BJP
08:38in collusion with the Election Commission of India, which we have seen.
08:41You call the BJP vote chori and the Election Commission of India comes to the rescue.
08:46I want to highlight, as I conclude my opening remarks,
08:49the five points which the Supreme Court has actually brought out today.
08:53Aadhaar will be accepted.
08:55BLO's arbitrary categorization of recommended, not recommended is going to be nullified.
09:00Every voter will get acknowledgement for documents submitted.
09:03Agreed persons can now file online forms, Preeti.
09:06And political parties have been made a part of the whole process,
09:09which the BJP and the NDA and the Election Commission of India...
09:13I want to get Ajit Jha back into this conversation.
09:18Ajit Jha, the fact is, whatever was supposed to be the poll narrative of the Bihar elections
09:23has completely turned on its head.
09:25And at least for now, it seems it's going to be a direct fight on what is the Ghuspaitiye poll plank
09:32versus the anti-SIR rallies that you see and the war cry of the Mahagadbandan.
09:39Yes, Preeti, I agree.
09:41I think the Congress and the Mahagadbandan is taking a certain risk.
09:46The risk is that the moment you focus the election too much on the SIR
09:51and not talk about the issues that people are affected,
09:56especially no jobs, which was resounding before the SIR exercise began,
10:01or the out-migration of the youth.
10:04I think they are moving away from that agenda, which, according to me,
10:08which would pay them more dividends with the youth and overall...
10:12It did the last time around.
10:13Say that once more, Preeti, sorry.
10:17Ajit Jha, what I was saying was it did the last time around.
10:19I'm going to just give you an extension of time there.
10:21But it did the last time around.
10:23The last time around, the possibility of the JASWI getting so close
10:26was primarily because of the campaign that he ran on jobs.
10:32True, true. I agree. Yeah.
10:34See, jobs have always been the number one issue all over the country.
10:38But in a state like Bihar, much more because there is no industrialization.
10:42And remember, 20 years of anti-incumbency.
10:46After all, when the Prime Minister focused on development issues,
10:50someone can turn around and say,
10:52for the last 20 years, what have you actually done?
10:55Bihar is still at the bottom of the heap.
10:57Why did not you give a special package?
10:59In fact, Prashant Kishore reminds the audience every day
11:02how the Prime Minister is creating roads taking away Bihari youth
11:07to go and work in Gujarat.
11:09And this issue that Tejasvi Yadam mentioned,
11:12you know, Gujarati outsiders, remember Bihari versus Bahari.
11:16So, these issues, perhaps, I think the Mahagadamandran should focus more on
11:22rather than only SIR, because the moment you bring SIR,
11:27the answer is Ghuspaiti.
11:28And Ghuspaiti has a slightly, it has a nationalistic ring about it.
11:34But the understatement or rather, you know, the under voice of it is,
11:39you know, a sectarian division between minorities and majority.
11:43And that, I don't know if it will prevail upon the voters,
11:47but the attempt by Rahul Gandhi is,
11:50obviously, he keeps bringing the constitution back,
11:53like in 2024, Lok Sabha,
11:55and he's talking about a Dalit OBC minority alliance.
11:59Whether it will work on the ground or not, we have to see.
12:02But there is a certain risk in overstressing the SIR issue.
12:07Well, there is a certain risk of overstressing the SIR issue.
12:10And Mr. Yadav, that could actually work for your political party.
12:14Because then, whatever the anti-incumbency that was attached,
12:17possibly to your governance in the state of Bihar,
12:20completely gets eclipsed in this very, very polarizing battle.
12:24No, Preeti, fortunately, we as an organization,
12:30as a political party, do not rely on the flaws of the opposition.
12:34The opposition is living in a bubble.
12:36We are doing our work.
12:37It is for them to pop their bubble, come out of that.
12:40They think the entire nucleus is a vote,
12:42vote campaign, vote adhikar.
12:44They are free to do whatever they feel like.
12:47The people are very distant from what the opposition says,
12:50what the opposition feels.
12:51Had the opposition been capable of understanding the pulse of the people,
12:55understanding what the people really feel and want,
12:58I think things would have been very different.
13:00When it comes down to the NDA, to Bharatiya Janta party,
13:03we are a very different political party,
13:05which has very grassroots penetration,
13:07which works for the people,
13:08understand the people's aspirations, work for them.
13:10We are one party which are going to fight this election
13:14on the work that we have done.
13:151.5 crore households have been electrified in the NDA regime.
13:20What Bihar was, how many riots used to happen in Bihar,
13:24what kind of law and order situation was there in Bihar,
13:26what kind of Gundagardi was there in Bihar,
13:29is all gone away.
13:30Today, Bihar is a very different state
13:32of what is used to be in the Jungle Raj.
13:35We have defeated poverty in the country,
13:37but the maximum beneficiary,
13:39almost 3.75 crore people who have come out of poverty,
13:43come from Bihar.
13:44Now, these are few things that people feel.
13:46It is an impact on their lives.
13:49It is what has impacted their day-to-day routine.
13:51And this is what people vote for.
13:53Now, Rahul Gandhi,
13:55Tejasvi Adhav,
13:56all these parties who live in a bubble,
13:58who think,
13:59oh, we are above law,
14:00we are the great people
14:01who can say what to us,
14:03we will do a yatra,
14:04we will do a campaign,
14:05we will raise whatever issue we like.
14:07They do not resonate with what people think.
14:09They are doing what they are doing.
14:11They are targeting and hampering
14:13the democratic feather of this country.
14:15They are targeting the constitutional bodies
14:18for their own electronic gains,
14:20the electoral gains.
14:22But the people know that it is the frustration of multiple defeats,
14:26frustration of no vision that is making them do so.
14:29The NDA is confident on winning on merits
14:32on the development that we have done.
14:34All right.
14:35Mahima Singh,
14:36with what Ajit Jha was speaking of,
14:39taking off from there,
14:41it does seem that you are risking way too much
14:44by constantly,
14:46at least,
14:47you know,
14:47you can fight the battle of vote Adhikar on the sidelines,
14:50but not speaking of the issues
14:52that really matter to the youth of Bihar
14:54could be problematic.
14:56Primarily,
14:57if you hark back to the last elections,
14:58what made the Gatbandhan and RJD do
15:02as well as it did,
15:03it came from the fact that
15:05Tejasvi was uninterrupted
15:07when it went down to
15:09asking for jobs
15:10and promising jobs.
15:11He understood
15:12that was a raw nerve
15:14where the youth of Bihar was concerned.
15:15He tapped into it
15:16and it paid rich political dividends.
15:18This time around,
15:20not cashing in
15:22on what possibly
15:23is high anti-incumbency
15:24and speaking constantly
15:27only about the SIR,
15:28are you risking a lot politically?
15:31Preeti,
15:34we saw
15:35the NDAs
15:36take
15:37towards
15:38migrant labours
15:39during COVID.
15:40We saw
15:41the stances
15:42that this
15:43topsy-turvy government
15:44which kept on,
15:45you know,
15:45toppling here and there
15:46through these
15:47last five years
15:48and we saw
15:50changing,
15:50shifting stances
15:51of Mr.
15:52Nitish Kumar
15:52over these
15:54last five years.
15:55In spite of that,
15:56I would rather say,
15:57Preeti,
15:58it is the BJP government
16:00that must worry today
16:01and it is rather
16:03for our country
16:04also to worry today.
16:05I'll tell you why.
16:06Because a press statement
16:07was issued
16:08by the interim government
16:09of Bangladesh.
16:10I remind you
16:11of that moment
16:12the last year
16:13when Sheikh Hasina
16:14landed
16:14unannounced,
16:15unplanned in our country
16:16because there was
16:18a hasty
16:19emergency-like situation
16:20in Bangladesh
16:21and the people
16:22had taken to the streets.
16:23Now,
16:24it's been one year
16:25and she's still here.
16:26I am talking about
16:27the Ghusbethi Ajaib
16:28and I'm talking about
16:29why it is so important
16:30to do what we are doing
16:31on the streets
16:32of Bihar today
16:33because Sheikh Hasina
16:34continues to be here.
16:35Press statement
16:36by the interim government
16:37of Bangladesh
16:37says that
16:38Awami League,
16:39Sheikh Hasina's party,
16:41is opening offices
16:42in India
16:43and this is a statement
16:44issued by Mr. Randhir Jaiswal.
16:46who says that
16:48the government of India
16:49is not aware
16:50of any anti-Bangladesh activities.
16:52So this is a not aware government,
16:54this is an unaware government
16:56which had not the slightest
16:57of the idea
16:58when the last year instance happened
17:00which doesn't have
17:01the slightest of idea.
17:03Now what is happening
17:04across the country,
17:05we,
17:06when our leaders
17:06Tejasvi Adav,
17:08Sri Rahul Gandhi
17:09along with the
17:10Tejasvi Adav
17:11along with the LOP
17:11on the streets of Bihar,
17:13when they are contacting
17:14and communicating
17:15with hundreds of
17:17lakhs of people
17:18every day,
17:19Preeti,
17:19do you think
17:20we are only talking
17:21about SIR?
17:22I think the BJP
17:23has much to worry
17:24because we are right
17:25there on the streets.
17:27There,
17:27Ghuspaitiya Jaib,
17:28we know what happened
17:29to that in Jharkhand.
17:31When Himanta Biswasarma
17:32went to Jharkhand
17:33and sent Ghuspaitiya,
17:34Jharkhand is still
17:35with India.
17:36But NDA
17:37is going to
17:38expect to lose.
17:39All right,
17:40ma'am,
17:40your time is up.
17:41I'm going to give
17:41all three of you
17:42just two minutes each.
17:43Ajit Kumar Jha,
17:44the fact is,
17:45especially before an election,
17:48the run-up to it
17:49is crucial for all
17:50political parties,
17:52be it the opposition
17:53or incumbent.
17:54To peak too early,
17:55to not peak
17:56at the right time
17:57is something that
17:58has been debated
17:58ad nauseum in newsrooms.
18:00How do you see
18:01things go ahead
18:02for both
18:03the Mahagat Bandhan
18:04and the NDA?
18:07See, Preeti,
18:08all over the world,
18:10that political party
18:11wins the election
18:12most of the time,
18:13which defines
18:14the agenda
18:15of the election.
18:16So,
18:17it would have been
18:18better,
18:19according to me,
18:19of course,
18:20I'm sure the Congress
18:21would differ with me,
18:23to define the agenda
18:24of the election
18:25in terms of
18:26massive unemployment
18:28in Bihar.
18:29Because that appeals
18:30to voters directly.
18:32And this is after
18:3320 years of
18:34Nitish Kumar government
18:35and the migration issue.
18:37In fact,
18:38that way,
18:39Prashant Kishore,
18:40he might be an X-factor,
18:41but he defines
18:42the agenda
18:43very well.
18:44Bringing in the SIR
18:45gives the,
18:47you know,
18:48of course,
18:48Rahul Gandhi
18:49has defined
18:50the agenda
18:51initially,
18:52but he ended up
18:53defining it
18:53in terms of
18:54Karnatak
18:55much more
18:55than in terms
18:56of Bihar.
18:57And the thing
18:58about it is,
18:59the risk here
19:00is that the BJP
19:01sort of plays
19:02the Ghuspaiti issue
19:04opposite of
19:05the SIR issue.
19:06So there is
19:07a massive risk,
19:08I still feel.
19:10I think
19:10the Congress
19:11would be much
19:12better off
19:13if they stick
19:13to economic issues
19:15because the Prime
19:16Minister always
19:17talks of bridges
19:18and roads
19:19and things
19:19of that sort.
19:20But how come
19:21Bihar is still
19:22at the bottom
19:23of the heap
19:24after 20 years?
19:25Number one,
19:26why no special
19:27package for Bihar
19:28despite the fact
19:29that since the time
19:30the state was created,
19:31that was the popular
19:32demand across the country.
19:34All these issues
19:35the voter
19:37would be talking about
19:38and the Congress
19:39should be,
19:40you know,
19:41basically making
19:42its agenda
19:43on those popular issues.
19:45I'm not saying
19:45SIR is not
19:47an important issue,
19:48but technically
19:49the battle of SIR
19:51is won.
19:52Rahul Gandhi
19:52actually devastated
19:53the Election Commission
19:55and the Supreme Court
19:56helped him.
19:57So the Election Commission
19:58has taken a back step.
20:00So it is important
20:01right now
20:01to intervene
20:02and come out
20:03with issues like
20:04why Mithalanchal
20:05is the poorest zone
20:07in the world?
20:07Why SIR has such
20:09high density
20:10of population
20:11and, you know,
20:12no sort of special package?
20:14That would help
20:15the Bahagadbandan
20:17much more
20:17and 20 years
20:18of anti-incundering.
20:19Well, the NDA
20:20is looking at issues
20:21like that.
20:21They are talking
20:22of why SIR has
20:24a bujoning population
20:25which is far more
20:26than the rest of Bihar.
20:27But they are using
20:28it into the other context
20:29of Guzpet Yeh.
20:30But that is just
20:31one of the angles
20:32of it all.
20:33But Siddharth Yadav,
20:34two minutes to you
20:35to make your final
20:35concluding statement.
20:37Preeti, I think
20:38when we speak
20:40of Simanchal
20:41and when we speak
20:41of such alarming issues,
20:42that is also one context
20:43that everybody
20:44should speak about.
20:45I do not understand
20:46that why opposition parties
20:47or certain factions
20:48in our country
20:49would want to
20:49keep shut on that.
20:51If one certain region
20:52has 125%
20:54of Aadhaar cards
20:55than the population
20:55of that region
20:56and it is facing
20:58migration,
20:58illegal immigration,
20:59it is facing
21:00Ghuzpet Yeh.
21:01Why not speak about it?
21:02Why does your
21:03vote bank politics
21:04bother you so much
21:05that you can't even
21:06speak the facts
21:07and the truth?
21:07This is not a data
21:08which is being made up.
21:09It's a fact.
21:10That's my point number one.
21:11Point number two,
21:12we are one party,
21:14we are one alliance
21:15which has proven
21:15to this country
21:16that there can be
21:17something as a
21:17pro-incumbency.
21:19We have proved it
21:20in Gujarat,
21:20we have proved it
21:21in Madhya Pradesh,
21:22we have proved it
21:22in Haryana,
21:23we have proved it
21:24in different parts
21:24of the country.
21:25We deliver to people,
21:27we deliver to people's
21:28aspirations,
21:29we work on people's
21:30aspirations and that
21:31is why people elect
21:32us again and again.
21:33In the past 10-12 years,
21:34Congress party has not
21:36been re-elected to a
21:37state where they
21:38already were in
21:38government.
21:39No state in the country.
21:40If they form a
21:41government in five years,
21:42they will do so much
21:43corruption,
21:44they will do so much
21:44mishappenings that the
21:45people will not want to
21:46see them again in the
21:48next election.
21:49So this is the basic
21:50difference between the
21:51Congress party,
21:52the India Alliance
21:53and the NDA.
21:54When it comes down
21:55to the SIR,
21:56they were wishing,
21:57they went to the
21:58Supreme Court,
21:58they wanted it halted,
22:00they wanted to make
22:00it called unconstitutional,
22:02they wanted the
22:03Supreme Court to say
22:03do not do this exercise.
22:05The Supreme Court
22:06did not do anything.
22:07Rather,
22:07Supreme Court today
22:08said that I am
22:09shocked that why no
22:10political party is
22:11coming up with the
22:12objections.
22:13Can we imagine the
22:14Congress party
22:14spokesperson sitting
22:15here, there are
22:1617,000 BLAs in
22:17Bihar,
22:1817,000 BLAs.
22:20They have not made
22:20a single complaint
22:21a single complaint
22:23of what voters
22:24should be added.
22:25But Rahul Gandhi
22:25has all the
22:26information,
22:27Mahima ji has all
22:27the information,
22:28everybody has
22:29information.
22:29Today the Supreme
22:30Court has said
22:30impleed the
22:32political parties,
22:33ask them to join
22:34this case,
22:34ask them to
22:35participate in this
22:36democratic process,
22:37ask them to give
22:38suggestions and that
22:39is how a democracy
22:40should work but this
22:41is a different case
22:41for Rahul Gandhi.
22:43Final two minutes
22:44Mahima Singh,
22:45go ahead.
22:47First of all,
22:48I wish to remind
22:48because the point
22:50was raised by the
22:52fellow panelist
22:52before the BJP
22:54spokesperson spoke
22:55that Rahul Gandhi
22:57is focusing on
22:58the SIR issue
23:00although he tried
23:00to balance out
23:01his stance.
23:02But I would just
23:03say here,
23:03Preeti,
23:04that Sri Rahul
23:05Gandhi is
23:05honourable leader
23:06of opposition
23:08in the parliament,
23:09in the lower
23:09house of the
23:10parliament,
23:10Lok Sabha.
23:11So he represents
23:1263% of the
23:14voters of this
23:15country.
23:16So please understand
23:17that he cannot
23:17just focus upon
23:19one issue,
23:20you know,
23:20some issues.
23:21He was saying
23:21that why is he
23:22focusing only on
23:23Bihar right now
23:24or on Karnataka
23:26rather he said.
23:27Pardon me.
23:28He said Mahadevpura.
23:29He tried to focus
23:30on Karnataka.
23:31So when he is
23:31talking about SIR
23:32and Vodchori,
23:33he will talk about
23:33Maharashtra,
23:34he will talk about
23:35Haryana,
23:36he will talk about
23:36Bihar,
23:37which is what he is
23:38doing right now.
23:39And as far as
23:40Mr. Narendra Modi's
23:41stance and his rally
23:42today is concerned,
23:43I just wish to
23:43play out this few
23:46seconds of a clip
23:47that all of you
23:48must listen to.
23:57Ma'am,
23:57we can't hear
23:58whatever you are
23:59trying to play.
24:00This is a voter
24:01of Bihar who was
24:05brought to the
24:05Gaya rally today
24:06and he is trying
24:07to tell us,
24:08it is on another
24:09platform,
24:11media platform,
24:12he is trying to
24:12tell us that
24:13they have been
24:14brought by the
24:15college.
24:16And that is how
24:16the rallies are
24:17being filled in
24:18Bihar for Mr.
24:19Modi.
24:20While what you
24:21see on the roads
24:22during the
24:23Yatra,
24:23what is happening
24:24right now,
24:25Preeti is organic
24:26crowds coming out,
24:28interacting with
24:28Sri Rahul Gandhi.
24:29I have come across
24:30several videos
24:31where voters of
24:32BJP are coming
24:33out and are saying
24:34that we are voters
24:35of the BJP,
24:36but our problems
24:36remain unsolved.
24:38And they are
24:38talking freely with
24:39Sri Rahul Gandhi
24:40and that is what he
24:41talks about.
24:42That in democracy
24:42we need to speak
24:43freely, we need to
24:44bring out our
24:45problems.
24:45What we have
24:46seen in BJP
24:47ruled states is
24:48suppression, is
24:49unemployment, is
24:50inflation, and
24:52especially Bihar, we
24:53have seen migrant
24:54labors being
24:55mistreated.
24:56Your time is up,
24:58but the only thing
24:59I would like to
24:59add is when you
25:00put forth videos
25:01such as that,
25:02with one odd
25:03person coming in
25:04from some village
25:04saying one odd
25:05thing on a mic,
25:06it cuts both ways,
25:06remember that.
25:07because there will
25:08be enough,
25:09there will be
25:10enough documented
25:11evidence and
25:12people to suggest
25:13otherwise for your
25:14own leader.
25:15So it's best not to
25:16indulge in any of it,
25:17but I'm going to
25:17just leave it at
25:18that, ma'am.
25:18We're going to
25:19leave it at that
25:19because it's going
25:20to be a long
25:21haul and we're
25:21going to have you
25:22back again, all of
25:23you on our show,
25:24to discuss and
25:26debate with what is
25:26going on in Bihar
25:27today, because if
25:29there was one
25:29poll plank or one
25:31narrative that
25:32echoed through Bihar,
25:33that was Ghus Petye
25:35and Vote Adhikar.
25:37Welcome back.
25:39News break coming
25:40in right now.
25:41Federal agents
25:42have searched the
25:43residence of former
25:44Trump National
25:45Security Advisor
25:46when Trump was in
25:47his first term,
25:48John Bolton.
25:49It happened this
25:50morning.
25:50The FBI was at
25:51John Bolton's
25:52doorstep.
25:53Sources tell us
25:54familiar with the
25:55matter that say
25:57that the search
25:58carried out by the
25:59FBI is related to
26:01allegations that
26:02Bolton is in
26:03possession of
26:03classified records.
26:05Remember, Bolton
26:06has been making
26:07rounds on
26:07Indian television
26:08news channels
26:09criticising Donald
26:10Trump for his
26:11tariff policies
26:12against India.
26:13All right, we're
26:22going to cut across
26:23to my colleague
26:24Geeta, our
26:25external affairs
26:26editor, who's
26:27getting us the
26:28latest on this
26:29FBI raid at
26:31John Bolton's
26:33residence.
26:34But viewers, when
26:35we say that he's
26:35been making the
26:36round of Indian
26:37televisions just
26:38two days ago, he
26:38was on my show
26:39where he openly
26:40criticised Donald
26:41Trump, number
26:42one, suggesting
26:43that the tariffs
26:44in practically
26:45calling them
26:46sanctions were
26:47slapped on India
26:48for no reason,
26:49and number two,
26:50that all that
26:51Donald Trump
26:52seemingly is doing
26:53is trying to
26:55get himself a
26:57Nobel Prize.
26:58Listen in.
27:00Now, experts
27:01seem to suggest
27:02that U.S.
27:04president's
27:04tariff, along with
27:05perceptions of a
27:06very diminished
27:06American role in the
27:07Indo-Pacific
27:08partnerships, have
27:09accelerated efforts
27:11to stabilise an
27:13India-China
27:13relation.
27:14In the past, and
27:16you'd know that,
27:18Washington has
27:19actively encouraged
27:20India to
27:21counterbalance Beijing
27:22in the region.
27:23Now, how do you
27:24view the recent
27:25thaw in India-China
27:26ties?
27:26Of course, we are
27:27coming off Operation
27:28Sindhu, where we
27:28actually thought we
27:30fought a proxy battle
27:31with China and not
27:32Pakistan.
27:33Yeah, look, I
27:35think the reaction
27:37in India to grow
27:38closer to China
27:39and Russia is
27:41very unfortunate,
27:42and that's why
27:43this question of
27:44the sanctions
27:46against India
27:47alone, not
27:48Russia, not
27:49China, not
27:49others, pose
27:51more problems
27:52than they solve.
27:53I think you have
27:54to look at the
27:54long term here,
27:56and that is that
27:57China is the
27:57principal threat in
27:58both East and
27:59South Asia, and
28:01it's increasing
28:02access with
28:03Russia puts
28:04Russia increasingly
28:05on China's side.
28:07I think that's
28:07the strategic future,
28:09and I think that's
28:10what India should
28:11be focused on.
28:13You know, but the
28:14hypocrisy of America
28:15has put India in a
28:17situation where,
28:18you know, China
28:19continues to buy
28:20oil from Russia,
28:21but we face
28:22tariffs in the
28:23form of sanctions.
28:24The question I'd
28:25like to ask you is,
28:26Ambassador, with
28:27Trump now
28:28imposing sanctions,
28:30you know, we'll
28:30call it steep
28:31tariffs on India,
28:32the U.S.-India
28:33relation is
28:34practically at an
28:35all-time low.
28:36You previously
28:36had called 50%
28:38tariff against
28:39India a mistake
28:40in the bilateral
28:40relationship.
28:42Can there be a
28:43reset in India-U.S.
28:45ties?
28:46Well, I think
28:47this is a Trump
28:47mistake.
28:49It's shooting
28:50ourselves in the
28:51foot, and I
28:53think that has
28:54to be taken
28:54into account.
28:55This was no
28:56decision endorsed
28:57by the U.S.
28:58Congress or
28:59overwhelmingly by
29:00the people.
29:01This is part of
29:01Trump's effort to
29:03win the Nobel Peace
29:04Prize.
29:05And, you know,
29:07I understand the
29:09reaction in India.
29:10I do.
29:11But, again, I think
29:12you have to grit
29:12your teeth and look
29:13longer term here
29:14at what I think is
29:16the best interest of
29:17both countries in the
29:18future to have a
29:19closer relationship
29:20to worry about the
29:22threat that China
29:23poses.
29:23All right, our
29:26MEA correspondent
29:27editor, Geeta
29:28Mohan, is joining
29:29us live with the
29:31very latest on the
29:32developments that
29:33have taken place.
29:33Geeta, one thing
29:34has been very clear
29:35that Trump has
29:36openly criticized
29:37Mr. Bolton many
29:38a times on the
29:40social media
29:41platform X.
29:42But today, the
29:43FBI coming calling
29:45on his doorstep.
29:46What more can you
29:46add?
29:47Well, Preeti, it
29:48is a very significant
29:49move because this is
29:50the former national
29:51security advisor to
29:53Trump, who now
29:54faces raids at his
29:56residence in Maryland.
29:58The reason that's
29:59been given is that
30:00it's a court-authorized
30:01search.
30:02That's what the
30:03investigators have
30:05said.
30:05And what they're
30:06investigating is a
30:08search for classified
30:09documents and records.
30:10Remember, there are a
30:11lot of stories that
30:13have done the rounds
30:14which were because of
30:15classified information
30:16and documents.
30:17A lot that
30:18Bolton spoke about
30:21with the press and
30:22reporters.
30:23That certainly has
30:23not gone down well
30:24with the Trump
30:25administration.
30:26And therefore, this
30:27raid and search in
30:30Bolton's house, like
30:32Kash Patel, the CIA
30:34director, said that
30:35nobody is above law.
30:38And we'll have to
30:39wait and see how this
30:40really pans out for
30:42John Bolton, a very,
30:45very senior official in
30:46the past.
30:47And somebody who knows
30:48a lot when it comes to
30:49how the Trump
30:50administration really
30:51worked and whether if
30:53they actually find
30:54something in his
30:55residence or not.
30:56For now, we don't have
30:57details on whether if
30:58anything was found.
30:59There are no details on
31:00whether if Bolton was at
31:02his residence because
31:03just half enough through
31:04that raid, he was
31:05tweeting about Russia,
31:06Ukraine and Trump's
31:08Nobel Peace Prize
31:09ambitions or
31:10aspirations.
31:11But there was certainly
31:12somebody at his
31:14residence.
31:14in all probability,
31:15his wife.
31:17All right, Geetha,
31:18appreciate you joining
31:18us for that quick
31:19update.
31:20We're going to keep
31:20our keen eye on
31:21developments there.
31:22Meanwhile, I'm going
31:22to shift focus back
31:24to India and over to
31:25Karnataka.
31:26Karnataka Deputy Chief
31:27Minister stoked a
31:29controversy after he
31:30sang the RSS anthem
31:32in the State Assembly.
31:33The footage has
31:34surprised many,
31:35given Congress'
31:36long-standing
31:36ideological opposition
31:38to the RSS.
31:39Take a look.
31:41Namaste,
31:42sadaa,
31:43sadaa,
31:44matra-bhoomi,
31:45shwaya,
31:46hindu-bhoomi,
31:47sugam,
31:48vadi toham.
31:50It is a rarest
31:51of the rare sight.
31:52A senior Congress
31:53leader singing
31:54the RSS anthem
31:55during a debate
31:56on Bengaluru's
31:57stampede in the
31:58Karnataka Assembly
31:59session.
32:00When leader of
32:01opposition R.
32:02Ashok reminded
32:02D.K.
32:03Shiva Kumar of his
32:04past remarks about
32:05wearing the RSS
32:06uniform, this was
32:07how he responded.
32:09Namaste,
32:10sadaa,
32:11sadaa,
32:11matra-bhoomi,
32:13shwaya,
32:14hindu-bhoomi,
32:15sugam,
32:16vadi toham.
32:20After his singing
32:21of the RSS anthem
32:22sparked criticism,
32:24Shiva Kumar issued
32:24a clarification
32:25reiterating
32:26he was a born
32:27congressman.
32:29There, there,
32:30no joining
32:31ends,
32:32nothing.
32:33I am a
32:33congressman.
32:35I will lead
32:36the Congress
32:36by pillar,
32:38by birth,
32:39by life.
32:40The Congress
32:42rallied
32:42behind Shiva Kumar.
32:43rss is a good
32:58rss philosophy,
32:59rss is a good
33:00rss philosophy,
33:01rss is a good
33:02rss philosophy.
33:02Meanwhile,
33:03the BJP is leaving
33:04no stone unturned
33:05to corner the
33:06Congress over
33:07their stand on
33:08the RSS.
33:08It shows
33:10rss is a good
33:12rss philosophy
33:13is good.
33:15So,
33:15once in Delhi,
33:17Rahul Gandhi
33:17says rss is
33:19not bad,
33:20his aim is bad.
33:21But here,
33:22this Congress
33:23party president
33:23says rss is good.
33:26With speculation
33:27rife over the
33:28rift between
33:29Shiva Kumar
33:29and Chief
33:30Minister Sidharamaya,
33:31is the Deputy
33:32Chief Minister
33:33sending out
33:33a veiled message?
33:35Is the Congress
33:36looking at an
33:36implosion in the
33:37southern state?
33:39Bureau report,
33:40India Today.
33:44Well,
33:44maybe not an
33:45implosion,
33:46but was there
33:46some kind of
33:47subtle messaging
33:48there?
33:48Let's take that
33:49question to our
33:50panelists,
33:50Sandeep Shastri,
33:51political analyst,
33:53Prasant,
33:54GS,
33:54spokesperson,
33:55BJP Karnataka,
33:56Deepak Thimaya,
33:57national spokesperson,
33:58Congress.
33:59I'd like to begin
33:59with you,
34:00Mr. Shastri.
34:00What do you
34:01make of
34:01DK Shiv Kumar
34:02singing the
34:04RSS anthem
34:04in assembly?
34:06Would you
34:07reckon it
34:07was subtle
34:08messaging not
34:08just to
34:10the BJP
34:10or the
34:11RSS or
34:11to the
34:12assembly,
34:12but to
34:13the high
34:13command
34:13back here
34:14in Delhi?
34:15Prithi,
34:16let's remember
34:17Shiv Kumar
34:19is a seasoned
34:20and consummate
34:21politician.
34:23I would
34:23want everyone
34:25to look at
34:25that particular
34:26clipping of
34:27him reciting
34:28that there
34:29was an
34:30expression on
34:31his face
34:31which was
34:32an expression
34:33which was
34:34more with
34:35a smile
34:36on the lip
34:37saying,
34:38now let me
34:38see how you
34:39people will
34:39respond to
34:40this.
34:41And let's
34:42also remember
34:43in the past
34:44on matters
34:45relating to
34:46religion and
34:47religiosity,
34:48Shiv Kumar
34:49has taken a
34:50stand very
34:50different from
34:51the party,
34:52be it on
34:52the Jaggi
34:53Vasudev
34:54question,
34:55be it on
34:56the Ram
34:57temple in
34:57Aukarish.
34:59He said we
35:01are all
35:01Hindus.
35:02So I
35:02think he
35:03has,
35:04there is
35:04nothing
35:05exceptional in
35:06terms of what
35:07he did
35:07today.
35:07He has just
35:08stirred the
35:08hornet's
35:09nest.
35:10And yes,
35:10of course,
35:11he has allowed
35:11for a lot
35:11of speculation
35:12and given
35:15opportunity for
35:16such a program
35:17to be held.
35:17But I
35:18think it
35:18is basically
35:20a consummate
35:20politician taking
35:23the battle to
35:24the opposition
35:24court and as
35:26I said,
35:26the smile on
35:27his lips as
35:27he said that
35:28says it all
35:28for me.
35:30Deepak Thamaya,
35:31the fact is
35:32this definitely,
35:33while he got
35:34a down pat in
35:35terms of the
35:36RSS anthem,
35:37that's definitely
35:37not music to
35:39the congresses
35:39here, something
35:40that your own
35:41leader Rahul
35:42Gandhi has
35:42openly, vocally
35:44criticized many
35:45a times over,
35:45which is the
35:46RSS ideology.
35:47It is almost
35:49like saying
35:50that even if
35:51a congressman
35:51mentions the
35:52word or the
35:54name RSS,
35:55he or she
35:57is committing
35:58some kind
35:58of a travesty
35:59because he
36:01just sang the
36:02song.
36:02He didn't
36:03say that he
36:03believes in
36:05the song or
36:06he loves the
36:07song or that
36:08he promotes
36:09the song.
36:10He just
36:11wanted to
36:11give out a
36:12message saying
36:13that, look,
36:13I know RSS
36:14so well.
36:16That's all it
36:16is.
36:17And what
36:17he also
36:18was trying
36:18to say
36:19is that so
36:19many of
36:20you in
36:20BJP don't
36:21even know
36:22RSS as
36:22much as
36:23I do.
36:24In the
36:24sense, if
36:25I comment
36:25about RSS,
36:26I know
36:27RSS.
36:28That's what
36:28he was
36:28trying to
36:29say.
36:29And I
36:30think it's
36:30of seeing
36:31that, to
36:31see that
36:32maybe he's
36:33trying to
36:33get into
36:33RSS, come
36:34out of
36:34RSS, align
36:35with RSS
36:36and so on,
36:37looks a
36:38little naive
36:39according to
36:39me.
36:40You
36:42think, but
36:43how is that
36:43naive, Deepak
36:44Thimaya?
36:45Because, you
36:46know, this
36:46is something
36:46which at
36:47least Rahul
36:47Gandhi doesn't
36:48take lightly.
36:49Every opportunity
36:50that Rahul
36:50Gandhi gets,
36:51he draws that
36:52ideological line
36:53between the
36:53RSS ideology
36:54and the
36:55Congress
36:55ideology.
36:56To have a
36:56deputy chief
36:57minister of a
36:58state run by
36:59Congress recite
37:00the RSS
37:00anthem is
37:03problematic,
37:04where at least
37:05the Congress
37:05ideology is
37:06concerned.
37:06Wouldn't you
37:07think so?
37:08See, I
37:08know the
37:08Star Spangled
37:09banner, but
37:10that doesn't
37:10mean that I'm
37:11going to the
37:11US or I
37:12align with the
37:13US and I
37:14may not even
37:15have a view
37:15that is in
37:17alignment with
37:17the US.
37:19So, just
37:19because, you
37:20know, I say
37:20that I know
37:21your song to
37:22an American or
37:23I know your
37:23national anthem
37:24doesn't mean
37:24that, you
37:25know, I'm
37:25going to be,
37:26you know, running
37:26out of this
37:27country and
37:27becoming part
37:28of theirs.
37:29But let me
37:29tell you, it
37:30is very simple.
37:30He just sang the
37:31song.
37:31He has done it
37:32even once before
37:33and just because
37:34he has learnt it
37:35perhaps somewhere
37:36else and no,
37:36there was no
37:37rule about, you
37:38know, you
37:38could have not
37:39learned the
37:39song because he
37:40must have just,
37:41you know, heard
37:41it and must have
37:42just got it.
37:43And he just
37:43sang it saying
37:44that, you
37:45know, this is
37:45do you know
37:46which song this
37:47is kind of a
37:48thing.
37:48That's all it
37:48is.
37:49But to be able
37:50to see more
37:52than this is,
37:53let me tell you,
37:53this is also a
37:54message to a lot
37:55of people to say
37:56that, you
37:56know, the
37:57Congress party
37:57or Mr.
37:58Rahul Gandhi
37:58will never
37:59stop a
38:00congressman from
38:00being a Hindu.
38:01Let me tell
38:02you, but
38:02doesn't necessarily
38:03mean that a
38:04Congress Hindu
38:05person should
38:06actually become
38:07RSS or BJP
38:08to, you
38:09know, prove
38:10his Hinduism
38:10or, you
38:11know, prove
38:11his Hindu
38:12credentials.
38:14So he
38:14was just
38:15perhaps, you
38:15know, making
38:16he has already
38:17explained it.
38:18And let me
38:19tell you one
38:19thing about
38:20Mr. D.K.
38:21Shukumar.
38:21Mr. D.K.
38:22Shukumar is
38:23not in the
38:23habit of, you
38:24know, like
38:25altering, you
38:26know, saying
38:26that his words
38:27were tampered
38:28with and he
38:29sang something
38:29else and it
38:30was heard like
38:31something else.
38:32And, you
38:32know, it was
38:32misinterpreted and
38:34things like that.
38:34This is one
38:35man, he
38:36says something
38:36and he
38:37says, yes,
38:38I said it.
38:39So I
38:39think we
38:39need to
38:40respect a
38:40man like
38:41him.
38:42He said
38:42it and
38:43now he's
38:43saying that,
38:44yes, I
38:44said it.
38:45That's what
38:45it is.
38:46He doesn't
38:46say that, I
38:47said it
38:47because of
38:48this, I
38:48said it
38:48because of
38:49that.
38:49He just
38:50sang the
38:51song.
38:52That is
38:52all it
38:53is.
38:54I'm sure
38:54tomorrow
38:54congressman
38:55can also,
38:56you know,
38:56sing a
38:57Congress, I
38:57mean, BJP
38:58person can
38:58also sing a
38:59Congress song
39:00and that
39:00won't
39:01perhaps
39:01Well, that
39:02site is not
39:03accorded very
39:04often.
39:04But Prashant
39:05ji, yes,
39:05there is an
39:06old saying,
39:06keep your
39:07friends close
39:07but keep
39:08your enemies
39:08closer.
39:09And that is
39:10exactly what
39:10DK Shivkumar
39:11intended is
39:13what at least
39:13he says when
39:14he got out of
39:15the assembly,
39:16saying that
39:16it's an
39:17organization that
39:18is making
39:18inroads,
39:19clearly in
39:19Karnataka has
39:20made inroads.
39:22So therefore,
39:22I really want to
39:23know how they
39:24work.
39:24I have
39:24studied the
39:25RSS.
39:27Prithi, it's
39:27not about
39:28you labeling
39:30RSS as
39:31anybody's
39:31enemy.
39:32RSS is an
39:34organization which
39:35is working for
39:36the nation
39:37and it's...
39:37No, sir, I'm
39:38not labeling.
39:39I'm going to put
39:39it on record.
39:41I'm not labeling
39:41the RSS as
39:42somebody's enemy.
39:43The Congress has
39:44clearly drawn that
39:45ideological line
39:46of RSS being
39:47the enemy.
39:47Rahul Gandhi
39:48time and again
39:49has made
39:50these allegations
39:51whereas even
39:52Congress leaders
39:53are aware of
39:54the social
39:55work and
39:56the pride
39:58that RSS has
39:59for the country
39:59and it's
40:00demonstrated time
40:01and again.
40:02You name a
40:03natural calamity
40:04that has hit
40:04the country
40:05and RSS
40:06are the first
40:07ones who are
40:07out on the
40:08streets helping
40:08people.
40:09So there are
40:09no two things
40:10about it.
40:11So I'm not
40:11even wanting
40:12to make a
40:12comment about
40:13why Shiv Kumar
40:14said it or
40:16where did he
40:17hear it.
40:18It's fine.
40:18If he has
40:19attended a
40:19shaka in his
40:20childhood and
40:20has learned
40:20it, good.
40:22The
40:22way he
40:24has learned
40:24salutations to
40:26the motherland
40:27and praying
40:28respects to
40:29the country
40:29there's no
40:30harm in it.
40:31So like
40:31most congressmen
40:32are dismissing
40:32it saying
40:32you shouldn't
40:33have done
40:33it.
40:33No, we
40:33are not
40:34saying that.
40:35But look
40:35at his
40:35statement
40:36also after
40:36that.
40:37He also
40:37said that
40:37RSS has
40:38been doing
40:38good work
40:39there running
40:40a lot of
40:41educational
40:41institutions
40:41which means
40:42the good
40:43work of
40:44RSS has
40:44been
40:44recognized.
40:45There is
40:45no two
40:46things as
40:46to why we
40:47should do
40:47politics over
40:48this.
40:48If
40:48leaders have
40:51a different
40:51feeling about
40:52it or why
40:53he has said
40:53it, it's up
40:54to congress
40:54to decide.
40:55But in so
40:56far as we
40:56are concerned,
40:57he has made
40:58a comment that
40:59RSS is a
41:00social organization
41:01having education
41:02institutions and
41:03making deep
41:04inroads fine.
41:05Which means
41:05it's an
41:06organization which
41:07has completed
41:07100 years of
41:08existence and
41:09going strong,
41:11which is what
41:11PM Modiji
41:12also mentioned in
41:13the Independence
41:14Day speech,
41:15saying that it's
41:15world's largest
41:16NGO.
41:17So therefore,
41:18I don't think
41:19you should give
41:20any other
41:20color to that
41:22or political
41:22undertone to
41:23that saying
41:23that he's
41:24switching sides.
41:25We are not
41:25even on that
41:26speculation or
41:28we are not
41:28even taking
41:29a speculative
41:29vote.
41:29Nobody is
41:30speculating
41:31that.
41:31But wouldn't
41:32you reckon,
41:33wouldn't you
41:33reckon Mr.
41:34Prashant Jai
41:34is that it
41:35is, there is
41:37a possibility
41:37of embarrassing
41:38the congress
41:39in this.
41:39So that is
41:40political.
41:41See, congress
41:42time and again
41:43has insulted
41:44a lot of
41:44times the
41:45Hindu beliefs
41:46wherein when
41:47Shiv Kumar
41:47was a party
41:49to it when
41:49he attended
41:50Mahashivaratri
41:51function, he
41:52was called
41:52up and
41:52hauled up
41:53saying, why
41:54did I have
41:54to attend
41:54it?
41:54Which means
41:55congress
41:56does not
41:56believe in
41:57its leaders
41:58attending
41:58functions also.
41:59He had
42:00to respond
42:01back saying
42:01that he
42:02attended there
42:03as a guest
42:03and he took
42:04part in
42:04Mahashivaratri
42:05celebrations
42:05and when
42:07he proudly
42:08attended
42:09Kumbh
42:09Mela and
42:10took the
42:10holy dip
42:11there, again
42:12he was
42:12trolled by
42:12congressmen
42:13saying that
42:14why should
42:14you would
42:17think much
42:18ado about
42:19absolutely
42:20nothing or
42:21do you
42:21think there
42:21is something
42:22to read
42:22into it?
42:24I don't
42:25think it's
42:26much ado
42:26about
42:27nothing.
42:28I think
42:28Shiv Kumar
42:29has very
42:29carefully
42:30calibrated
42:31this and
42:33it could
42:34be sending
42:35multiple
42:36messages
42:36that saying
42:38such things
42:39is not
42:39the monopoly
42:40only of
42:40the BJP
42:41and RSS
42:42leaders.
42:43We also
42:43know these
42:44lines very
42:46well.
42:47And I
42:47said I
42:48still go
42:48back to
42:49the smile
42:51which was on
42:52his lips
42:52as he
42:53recited it
42:54because he
42:54was looking
42:55across the
42:56floor at
42:56the BJP
42:57opposition and
42:58looking at
43:00their reactions
43:00to what he
43:01is saying.
43:01It's now
43:01coming on
43:02your screen
43:02also.
43:03Now that
43:04very clearly
43:05for me
43:05indicates that
43:07he was
43:08saying this
43:09as a clear
43:10political message
43:11also at this
43:12point of time.
43:13All right.
43:15I appreciate
43:15all three of
43:16you gentlemen
43:16for joining
43:17us.
43:17Thank you
43:18there.
43:18We of
43:19course will
43:19be following
43:20the story
43:20very closely
43:21for now.
43:22It's been
43:22laid to
43:22bed by
43:23no one
43:23else but
43:24the Deputy
43:24Chief
43:25Minister
43:25himself who
43:26says that
43:26I study
43:27all kinds
43:28of
43:28organisations
43:29including
43:29the RSS.
43:31With
43:31that I
43:32want to
43:32go into
43:32a quick
43:33break.
43:33Stay
43:33with me
43:33on the
43:34other
43:34side
43:34is
43:34my
43:34colleague
43:35Korup
43:35Saur.
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