- 5 months ago
movie, movies, new movie, latst movies. new movies 2024, new movie 2024, best movie 2024,new lifetime full movie today,lifetime new movie 2024,latest lifetime movie 2024,best movie 2024,best movies 2024,lifetime movies based on true story,lmn movies 2024,lifetime movies based on true story new movie based on true story, best movie of this month,new movie today,new movies today 2024
Category
🎥
Short filmTranscript
00:00:00Your dog grabbed her dog in the mouth.
00:00:03I yelled at my dog.
00:00:05No.
00:00:05No.
00:00:06I didn't see any blood or anything.
00:00:07Her head was punctured.
00:00:09Your dogs came running up to my dog.
00:00:11No, no, no.
00:00:12It was across the way, but, um.
00:00:13It's across?
00:00:14Yeah.
00:00:15My side of the door faced her side of the door,
00:00:18and there was a grassy knoll in between.
00:00:21Do you have a photograph of the area?
00:00:23No, I don't.
00:00:23Do you?
00:00:24I'd like to see it.
00:00:28That's mine.
00:00:29And this is where hers would be.
00:00:31Okay, thank you.
00:00:32Mm-hmm.
00:00:35Okay, so this is whose trailer?
00:00:38Hers.
00:00:39It's career.
00:00:40Is there a street in between this area?
00:00:43That's where hers would be.
00:00:45Where?
00:00:46In that area where the rocky thing, right after the grass.
00:00:49Kevin, give this to the defendant.
00:00:51Maybe this one's better.
00:00:52Where the plaintiff's trailer would be.
00:00:56Okay.
00:00:56And where hers was.
00:00:58This is where hers is.
00:00:59Would have been right here.
00:01:01Just put plaintiff and show me where yours was.
00:01:04Mine is right here.
00:01:06Put it down.
00:01:08Let me see if that makes it clear to me, Kevin.
00:01:16Yours is here.
00:01:17Plaintiff's is here.
00:01:19And this large grass area is a common area.
00:01:22Yeah.
00:01:23It's a common area because you're all the way down here.
00:01:25This is a relatively large space.
00:01:27It's only like-
00:01:28I wasn't talking to you.
00:01:29Sorry.
00:01:30Okay.
00:01:30And the incident that involved your pet, Miss Highland, happened on October 8th, 2021.
00:01:37Yeah, it was actually October 9th after going back through the paperwork.
00:01:41You are no longer in this trailer park.
00:01:44No, it's an RV park, but yeah.
00:01:46An RV park.
00:01:47How long were you there?
00:01:48Four or five months.
00:01:49It was like mid to end of May.
00:01:52And this happened in October and within three weeks I-
00:01:57You left.
00:01:58And that's your dog?
00:01:59Yeah.
00:01:59That's the dog that was injured that day?
00:02:01Yes.
00:02:01And what kind of a dog do you have?
00:02:03A Vizsla Mix Boxer.
00:02:05A Vizsla.
00:02:06Vizsla.
00:02:07So tell me what happened to Miss Highland on October 9th.
00:02:10I had gotten up and I was taking my girls out to go potty.
00:02:15How many of those do you have?
00:02:17Two.
00:02:17I have a puppy that's almost two years old and then Faith.
00:02:21So I was taking my girls out to go potty and I'd been looking to make sure that the
00:02:28dog was inside and I didn't see the dog and it was on its chain under her trailer apparently
00:02:36because when we came outside.
00:02:38No.
00:02:39Was your dog on a chain on a leash?
00:02:41Yeah.
00:02:41Well, what kind of leash?
00:02:43That's not right.
00:02:45Yes.
00:02:45That's not true.
00:02:46Well, that's a leash.
00:02:47Right.
00:02:48That's a leash.
00:02:49She says the dog was on a chain.
00:02:50No.
00:02:51Do you have-
00:02:51Yes, it was.
00:02:52I don't have a chain.
00:02:53Shh.
00:02:54Okay.
00:02:55I don't have a chain.
00:02:55Never had a chain.
00:02:56It's been a leash.
00:02:58Okay.
00:02:58Were you outside on October 9th at the time of this incident?
00:03:03Yes.
00:03:03Were you outside when it started?
00:03:05No.
00:03:05Yes.
00:03:05I was outside on top of my stairs.
00:03:08No, you weren't.
00:03:09Okay.
00:03:10You're not allowed to answer her.
00:03:11I'll come back to you.
00:03:12Okay.
00:03:13Okay.
00:03:13So you're taking your dogs out to potty.
00:03:16Were they on a leash or off leash?
00:03:18They were on a leash.
00:03:19But she didn't have them-
00:03:20They go outside.
00:03:20Don't speak.
00:03:21Okay.
00:03:22I always have them on a leash whenever they go-
00:03:25Were they on a leash on October 9th?
00:03:27Yes.
00:03:28Okay.
00:03:28So you were taking them out.
00:03:29Although you did say, Ms. Hyland, that you let them out in your front yard is what you said,
00:03:35I believe, in your complaint.
00:03:38Let me see.
00:03:38You didn't say I took.
00:03:41You said I let my dogs out in the front yard to go to the bathroom.
00:03:46Mm-hmm.
00:03:46Well.
00:03:47When I say let them out, let me clarify.
00:03:50Okay.
00:03:51I'm always with my dogs.
00:03:52I know that you say you were always with them.
00:03:55Yeah.
00:03:56That's not my question.
00:03:57My question to you was a simple one.
00:04:00Were they on leash or off leash?
00:04:02Yeah.
00:04:03Yes, what?
00:04:04They were on their leashes.
00:04:06Mm-hmm.
00:04:07Be careful.
00:04:07You took them out on leashes in the front grass.
00:04:11Mm-hmm.
00:04:12And what happened?
00:04:13When we got down to the bottom of the steps, her dog came out from underneath the trailer
00:04:20and grabbed Faith.
00:04:22Well, she was on a leash.
00:04:24Yeah, but she grabbed her.
00:04:26The puppy started to go one way and I had Faith and dropped her leash.
00:04:32And the puppy was going like she got out of my hand and was taken off.
00:04:36And her dog was under the trailer.
00:04:39Didn't know it because I had been watching to make sure she had been inside,
00:04:44but didn't see her or the dog out.
00:04:47And she came out of the trailer after the dog grabbed Faith.
00:04:51In what location did her dog grab Faith?
00:04:54Right by my trailer.
00:04:56Right by my steps where I had my steps.
00:04:58The chain was long enough for the dog to go past the tree that was right there in between
00:05:04the two properties.
00:05:05And she came out and started beating up to my dog.
00:05:07No, no, no, no, just a second.
00:05:09You didn't have a hold of the leash.
00:05:11You're not.
00:05:11That's because the dog broke free.
00:05:14You want to continue with this case or you want to go?
00:05:16No, I want to continue.
00:05:18Then let's understand we don't talk to each other.
00:05:20Okay, so your version of the events is that her dog was chained under her trailer.
00:05:26You came out with your dogs on leash.
00:05:29The puppy ran away.
00:05:30You dropped her leash.
00:05:32Her dog got your dog and took your dog back to her trailer.
00:05:36Yeah.
00:05:36At what point did she come out of the trailer?
00:05:39After the second time, her dog had picked up Faith and Faith was screaming and I was screaming.
00:05:45Okay, Ms. Carrillo, have you ever had an incident with your dog before?
00:05:50No.
00:05:51With another dog?
00:05:52No, I haven't.
00:05:52That's a lie because you're-
00:05:53Shh!
00:05:54I want you to think carefully.
00:05:56Have you ever had another incident with your dog and another dog?
00:06:01No.
00:06:02How long have you had your dog?
00:06:03Since she was a puppy?
00:06:04Nine years?
00:06:05Since 2013?
00:06:07And this is the first time she aggressively bit another animal?
00:06:12Yes.
00:06:12Okay.
00:06:13You have information to the contrary, Ms. Hyland?
00:06:15Yeah.
00:06:16Okay.
00:06:16Because when I-
00:06:17I'd like you to tell me.
00:06:18Okay.
00:06:19When I first moved in, she even told me about how her dog had killed a couple other dogs.
00:06:25Okay.
00:06:26Tell me about that.
00:06:27She just told me to make sure I was careful with my dogs because her dog has a history of
00:06:33attacking and aggression towards other dogs.
00:06:36Well, those are conclusions.
00:06:37You first said that her dog killed two dogs and then-
00:06:40She did.
00:06:40She told me that her dog was aggressive and that it has a history of killing other dogs and
00:06:47that it had already killed other dogs and that's why she got kicked out of her last RV park.
00:06:53I've never lived at another RV park.
00:06:55That's not-
00:06:56That's my first RV park ever living at.
00:06:59Where did you live before?
00:07:00At my mom's on Ming Avenue.
00:07:02Did you ever indicate to Ms. Hyland that she should keep her dogs close to her?
00:07:07We've never spoken prior to the incident. We never, I mean, just maybe a hi. She just had moved in. I
00:07:13never spoke to her.
00:07:14You want to tell me your version of what happened on the 9th of October?
00:07:18Yes.
00:07:19I was outside on top of my stairs. I was sweeping. My dog was at the bottom of the stairs.
00:07:24I have her tied up to the stairs. There's a ring where I clip her leash to,
00:07:29so she can't go far. It's just this distance while I was sweeping.
00:07:32Would you hand that to me, please?
00:07:33And I can hear her dogs barking while they were inside.
00:07:38Would you open it up for me?
00:07:42Okay, what you're telling me is that this is what you tied onto under the stairs.
00:07:49Where did you tie it?
00:07:50This part right here, and then I have to show you how I have it put it on.
00:07:56Can you give it back?
00:07:57Yeah, let her show me.
00:08:03I'll clip it onto her harness, and then this would clip onto the bottom.
00:08:07What harness?
00:08:07My dog's harness.
00:08:09Are you telling me that your dog was on a two-foot lead?
00:08:12Yes. I have her right there when I'm right there.
00:08:15Yes.
00:08:15Okay.
00:08:15Yeah.
00:08:16Okay.
00:08:16Yeah.
00:08:17A neighbor can vouch to that.
00:08:20Yeah.
00:08:20Can I read the Bible?
00:08:21Mm-hmm.
00:08:25So you did see part of this incident?
00:08:27Correct.
00:08:28Careful.
00:08:29You saw it from your trailer?
00:08:31Correct, Newhouse.
00:08:31Mr. Newhouse, how long have you been the defendant's neighbor?
00:08:35Two, three years.
00:08:36Did you see the dog on that gizmo?
00:08:39Yes.
00:08:40How far do you live from the defendant?
00:08:43I'm directly behind Sierra.
00:08:44I'm just right behind her.
00:08:46Behind hers.
00:08:46So you face the back or the front of her trailer?
00:08:49The front of my trailer faces the back of her trailer.
00:08:51The door is the same direction towards the yard.
00:08:54So that you don't see her front door?
00:08:57Her trailer is angled so that I can see her front door.
00:09:00Okay.
00:09:01You want to tell me your version of what happened on the 9th?
00:09:04I was outside on top of my stairs.
00:09:06My dog was at the bottom.
00:09:08On this thing?
00:09:09On the bottom, I have a hook that I clip her leash to.
00:09:13And she was sunbathing right there.
00:09:16I moved her other places, but while I was there sweeping on top,
00:09:20she was right there.
00:09:21So then I hear her dogs inside.
00:09:24They were barking.
00:09:25And then all of a sudden, I hear the door open,
00:09:27and the dogs just come rushing both of her dogs.
00:09:30They had leashes on, but she wasn't holding the leashes.
00:09:34And then my dog grabbed her dog.
00:09:36And I yelled at my dog and whacked her in her head.
00:09:39And she dropped the dog.
00:09:40And then that's when she was on her way.
00:09:42How did that happen?
00:09:44What do you mean?
00:09:44Your dog is on a two-foot lead.
00:09:46You heard her dogs coming out.
00:09:48You were on top of the stairs.
00:09:50Yes.
00:09:50You saw her dogs, according to you, running.
00:09:53And your dog is on this much.
00:09:55This much.
00:09:55This much.
00:09:56Yes.
00:09:57No, actually not that much, because you made a loop.
00:10:00Yeah, that's the way I do it.
00:10:03Well, not a moment ago.
00:10:04I did it the wrong way.
00:10:04You made a loop.
00:10:05So it was on about this much.
00:10:07And on about this much lead,
00:10:10your dog picked up her dog in the mouth how many times?
00:10:13Just that one time.
00:10:15And it's this long.
00:10:16You can see where the area is all dirt,
00:10:19where she stays on and runs around or misses in the dirt.
00:10:24The grass is still right there where it's nice and green.
00:10:27And the area that she sits in is right there,
00:10:29right in front of my stairs.
00:10:31And so your dog grabbed her dog in the mouth,
00:10:35well, close to your trailer.
00:10:37At my trailer, yeah.
00:10:37At your trailer.
00:10:39And then you hit it on the rear end and she spit out the dog.
00:10:43Yes.
00:10:43And then?
00:10:44And then she ran towards her and she came towards her dog.
00:10:48This little dog ran towards the plaintiff.
00:10:51The plaintiff ran towards her.
00:10:53And what did you do?
00:10:54She went to get her dog and I grabbed my dog.
00:10:57What did you do?
00:10:57How did you grab your dog?
00:10:58I took her off her leash and put her inside.
00:11:01And then I went to see if her dog, you know,
00:11:03is your dog okay?
00:11:04You know, you should have had a hold of her leash.
00:11:07And what did you say to her when you came out?
00:11:09Is your dog okay?
00:11:11Okay.
00:11:11Is your dog okay?
00:11:12And what did she say to you?
00:11:13I can't remember.
00:11:14She was just, you know, your dog, got my dog.
00:11:17I'm like, how come you didn't have the leash?
00:11:19They were on leashes, but she wasn't holding them.
00:11:21And she said because of her legs that she couldn't.
00:11:24And I told her, then you shouldn't have dogs
00:11:26if you can't take care of them.
00:11:27Just a second.
00:11:27Is that what you said to her?
00:11:29You shouldn't have dogs if you can't take care of them?
00:11:31If you can't take, I mean, they can't be loose.
00:11:33There's a leash lock and she didn't have the leash.
00:11:35She had leashes on them, but she didn't have a hold of them.
00:11:37I'm just asking you.
00:11:38Yeah.
00:11:38That's what you want me to believe you said to her.
00:11:40That's what I said to her, yeah.
00:11:42You know, you shouldn't have dogs if you can't take care of them.
00:11:44That's what I said, yes.
00:11:45Okay.
00:11:46And did you see her dog injured in any way?
00:11:49No.
00:11:49Can I see the records from the vet, please?
00:11:52Yeah.
00:11:53And here's even photos.
00:11:55And was there a report made to either the RV?
00:11:58There was photos.
00:11:59Shh.
00:12:00I didn't finish my question.
00:12:01Was there a report made to the RV park or to the police department?
00:12:06Yes.
00:12:07May I see that too as well?
00:12:08I don't have the RV park or the police report.
00:12:12They could not.
00:12:13Okay.
00:12:13Not they could not.
00:12:14They were sending me all over.
00:12:15The answer is I don't have them.
00:12:17Yeah.
00:12:17But that's just photos from the injuries.
00:12:25Now, I'd like to see the vet report, please.
00:12:27This is the neurology.
00:12:29This is all the other vet stuff.
00:12:32Don't give me a whole bunch of stuff.
00:12:34I'd like to see the reports and the bills from the vet.
00:12:40And I am correct.
00:12:41So you did not see any of this incident.
00:12:43Is that correct?
00:12:45The commotion.
00:12:46I'm asking you when she smacked the dog.
00:12:48I'm asking you.
00:12:49No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:12:50Stand up.
00:12:52Let's be very careful about your answer.
00:12:54Am I correct that you didn't see any of this incident?
00:12:58Only after she had smacked the dog and he dropped the dog and they were,
00:13:03that little commotion right there where she picked up the dog and went in the house.
00:13:05You saw it from your trailer, from your RV?
00:13:08Sitting outside my trailer.
00:13:09So I want you to tell me exactly what you saw.
00:13:14Now, look at me.
00:13:14Her?
00:13:15Who's her?
00:13:16Um, Sarah.
00:13:18Her picking up her dog and going back to her house.
00:13:21Where was she when she picked up her dog?
00:13:24No.
00:13:25I tell you what you're going to do.
00:13:26You're going to show me right here.
00:13:27Like half of the thing, her house and her house.
00:13:30I mean, her house.
00:13:33Put a mark where you saw her, where she picked up her dog.
00:13:37Oh, may I have that, please?
00:13:41Strike it somewhere.
00:13:44Like a couple feet away.
00:13:49So she picked up her dog right near Miss Carrillo's RV.
00:13:54Correct.
00:13:55Yes.
00:13:56And where was Miss Carrillo?
00:13:57She took the dog and put it up the stairs, put it in the house,
00:13:59and shut the door and came back out to see.
00:14:01And at that time, were you listening to what the two women were saying to each other?
00:14:05Not really.
00:14:06Were they yelling at each other or were they calm?
00:14:08It was yelling.
00:14:10So if they were yelling, could you hear what the yelling was?
00:14:13I didn't know either one of them at that time really that well.
00:14:16I think I went back in the house at that point.
00:14:19You've been most helpful.
00:14:21Okay, you have the report for me from the 9th of October?
00:14:24Yeah.
00:14:25I'd like to see it.
00:14:33Okay, so there was one set of stitches that the dog had.
00:14:35That was her first surgery.
00:14:37Okay.
00:14:38Let me see the second time she was there.
00:14:40This is the stuff for that one.
00:14:48And that's what the, why?
00:14:51Well, this was the day afterwards.
00:14:53And when did she go back?
00:14:54It was June 30th because she was having grandma seizures and they had to keep her
00:15:00because they had to start her on phenobarbital because of the eye injuries and the head injuries.
00:15:07Well, it doesn't really talk about those injuries.
00:15:10That's in the pictures.
00:15:11It shows where her head was punctured.
00:15:14I see one wound and I don't see a photo.
00:15:18On the picture itself, if you see her head, there's a mark right here on her head by her eye.
00:15:26That was a puncture wound that they had to clean out.
00:15:29Okay.
00:15:30The defendant says both dogs had a leash on, but the leashes weren't attached to your hand.
00:15:36Is that correct?
00:15:38I, honestly, I don't remember because most of the time when I'm coming down the steps,
00:15:44I have their leash in hand and sometimes like going down the steps, I lose the leash
00:15:51or I drop it and they are at the bottom of the steps waiting for me because
00:15:56they know it takes me a minute to get down the steps.
00:15:59Okay.
00:16:01If you're standing on your steps sweeping, you see her dogs running across,
00:16:06then you jump down, run across the lawn.
00:16:09No, she was right by the steps because the tree is right there.
00:16:14It was like in between our spaces isn't even as big as this.
00:16:19In between here and your front of the bench.
00:16:23Of the bench.
00:16:24And literally she was grabbed right by my steps.
00:16:28Was any report made by you to any animal control?
00:16:32I'd called 911 and reported it and they can't find the report, but it was done over the phone
00:16:39and I waited for them to come out for a week and I kept calling them.
00:16:44Did you?
00:16:44But I did it over the phone with them.
00:16:47Did you ascertain from the defendant whether her dog was up to date in rabies shots?
00:16:53I didn't ask any questions.
00:16:55Afterwards, I was just trying to make sure and find out what was going on with her.
00:17:00Did anyone from the RV park come and discuss the incident with you?
00:17:04They just asked me what happened.
00:17:05Just a second.
00:17:06So the answer is yes.
00:17:08Do you have any sort of documentation of that discussion that they had with you?
00:17:13There was no documentation.
00:17:14Do you remember the name of the person that you spoke to?
00:17:16Yes.
00:17:17Are you still at the RV park?
00:17:19Yes.
00:17:19Did you tell the RV park that there was a witness to this event?
00:17:24No.
00:17:25Well, there were two different versions of the event.
00:17:27One says that your dog came and attacked hers.
00:17:30And you say that her chihuahua came and was aggressive towards your dog.
00:17:35But you have allegedly an independent witness who saw part or most of it who you brought to court today.
00:17:41I assume that the plaintiff communicated to the RV park that your dog was at fault.
00:17:47Correct?
00:17:47Yes.
00:17:48And you say your dog was not at fault.
00:17:50Is there any reason why you didn't tell the RV park that there was a witness?
00:17:54Oh, because I didn't know yet.
00:17:56When did you find out that he had seen anything of the event?
00:18:00Maybe like three weeks after.
00:18:02Tell me about that.
00:18:03How did you find out that he had seen any part of it?
00:18:07Because I was talking to him about what was going on, that she was going to take me to court.
00:18:11And then he said that he had seen.
00:18:13So now you were talking to your neighbor.
00:18:15Right.
00:18:16Which meant that you must have been at least somewhat friendly towards him.
00:18:21At that time, yes.
00:18:22At the time of the incident on the 9th of October.
00:18:25We didn't know each other that well.
00:18:27But you had lived there for a long time.
00:18:29How long did you live there?
00:18:30Since July 20th.
00:18:32And how long has he been living there?
00:18:35How long have you been living there?
00:18:37A long time, 20 years.
00:18:38Long time, 20 years.
00:18:39So my question is, what prompted you three weeks later to have a discussion with him?
00:18:44Because I started to get to know him by then.
00:18:46I worked.
00:18:47I worked at that time.
00:18:48I worked a lot.
00:18:49You know, so I started to conversate with my neighbor.
00:18:53That's, mm-hmm.
00:18:55Okay.
00:18:55How much were your vet bills?
00:18:57This point, it's over $10,000.
00:19:00Have they been paid?
00:19:01Most of them.
00:19:02Okay.
00:19:03I'd like to see the bills.
00:19:04The last bill.
00:19:06And can I say something about what she said?
00:19:08Yeah.
00:19:09First of all, she was in there way before I was.
00:19:12She had already been there over a year.
00:19:14And second of all, the thing is, is she couldn't have said anything three weeks after,
00:19:20because it wasn't after until my leg recovered from having to have emergency surgery from falling
00:19:26right after the incident happened that I even decided to file court papers.
00:19:31So the court papers weren't even filed until June.
00:19:35I didn't say they were filed.
00:19:36You said three weeks after.
00:19:38But anyways, so like all that happened back in October.
00:19:47And I literally couldn't get to the courthouse to be able to drive to the courthouse.
00:19:54How much do you owe the vet?
00:19:55What I've already paid is over $2,000 or right around $2,000 in cash that I've paid.
00:20:02But to get her MRI, I need to pay $3,000.
00:20:06Just, there is no nexus that can be drawn between the seizures that she's having now,
00:20:12other than the, I'm speaking, other than the vet saying that it's possible that it can be caused by trauma.
00:20:19Other than that, that's the only thing I saw there.
00:20:21There was not a full report that said the trauma that she had six months before was the basis for these seizures that she's having.
00:20:30Seizures, she's 11 years old.
00:20:32She was having seizures right after the attack.
00:20:34Ms. Hyland, you have to understand that you need an expert witness that you don't have to demonstrate
00:20:41that the seizures that your dog is currently having is a direct result of this dog attack.
00:20:47Right.
00:20:47Do you understand?
00:20:48Faith is 11 years old and it's possible, just a second, it's possible that it comes from that.
00:20:55It's possible it comes from something else.
00:20:57I don't deal in possibilities.
00:20:58All I want to know is what vet bills you paid for October 9th and October 10th.
00:21:06The actual total was $1,526.62 without her medicine being involved.
00:21:15Okay, well that's a reasonable vet bill for those two dates.
00:21:19She did have two different surgeries and the medications that you're talking about were
00:21:24also included in that $1,526 other than for the seizures that you want me to draw a connection
00:21:31with if I'm not.
00:21:33And nothing more is owed to the vet for those two days, October 9th and 10th.
00:21:38Okay, Ms. Carrillo, I have to make a determination as to whether or not I believe the story that her
00:21:45two little dogs rushed up to your dog that was being chained to a step on a very, very short lead
00:21:52with you standing right there and whether or not I believe that you stood there while your dog that
00:21:58was on a very short lead that has never had any problems with aggression before picked up her dog twice.
00:22:05Because once she had puncture wounds in the stomach and once she had puncture wounds around the head.
00:22:10And I don't believe you.
00:22:12Quite frankly, I don't believe you.
00:22:14I think you're responsible for her vet bills.
00:22:16I think you would have indicated.
00:22:18Didn't she say that she didn't have the leash?
00:22:20That she wasn't sure if she was holding the leash?
00:22:22Absolutely.
00:22:23I don't answer your questions.
00:22:26If you're standing on your steps sweeping and your dog is now chained and you see her dogs running across,
00:22:35then you jump down from the step and you grab your dog.
00:22:39That's what you do.
00:22:40You have a very big dog that you keep on a very short, according to you, chain.
00:22:45And there's a reason for that.
00:22:46So if you're standing for that, this is not a question and answer.
00:22:50You're responsible for our vet bills.
00:22:51I believe her.
00:22:52One thousand five hundred and twenty six dollars.
00:22:55Judgment for the plaintiff.
00:22:56We're finished.
00:22:57This court is adjourned.
00:23:00They behave like even in the courtroom.
00:23:03She did get bitten by my dog, but you know, they listen.
00:23:08Like if I start counting to three with them.
00:23:11It was about her not having them on the leash and having control of her dogs.
00:23:15They go and do what they're told.
00:23:17About her dog getting hurt.
00:23:18I mean, I went to see if it was OK.
00:23:21Because that's how she is.
00:23:22That if my dog bites another dog, I'm going to have to pay.
00:23:27So one thing I found interesting about that defendant's testimony was that when you were in your
00:23:31line of questioning about whether or not her dog had ever been in another fight or
00:23:37with any other dog, any interaction, she said no.
00:23:41I thought I remembered when I was reading her answer, she stated that she had a mutual
00:23:46understanding with the plaintiff that when her larger dog was outside, the plaintiff's dogs
00:23:51would be kept inside.
00:23:52Why would you need to have that sort of mutual understanding unless you knew that your larger dog
00:23:57had a propensity for violence towards other dogs?
00:24:00That's true.
00:24:00You know, I forgot that you mentioned it.
00:24:03I remember that I read about this mutual agreement.
00:24:07Yeah.
00:24:07Yeah, I wouldn't think that she was afraid that the chihuahua would attack her dog.
00:24:11Probably not.
00:24:12Probably not.
00:24:13Hi, Kim.
00:24:14So everything started here.
00:24:16We eventually tried separating the dogs towards this way.
00:24:18Mr. Alonzo was dragged from this area down.
00:24:21The car was parked here.
00:24:22So we managed to put the dog on top of the car.
00:24:25And Mr. Alonzo was on the floor wrestling his dog to control him.
00:24:30You took your dog to the vet?
00:24:32Immediately, yes.
00:24:33You have the vet report and bill.
00:24:34I do.
00:24:35May I see it, please?
00:24:36Of course.
00:24:36Kevin.
00:24:42So your vet bills look in total to be about $4,600.
00:24:53About $58, if I'm not mistaken.
00:24:55OK, I may have missed one.
00:24:56He suffered a level four bite wound and from the...
00:24:59He was very seriously injured.
00:25:00There's no question.
00:25:01He was very seriously injured.
00:25:03Spent a long time in the hospital.
00:25:05OK, Mr. Alonzo, the ball is in your courts.
00:25:08I'd like to hear your version of what happened.
00:25:10The day on April 28, what happened,
00:25:12I was walking my dog with a leash.
00:25:14That's what I usually do every day before I go to work.
00:25:17That's not true, Your Honor.
00:25:19Shh, don't speak.
00:25:19That's what I usually do.
00:25:20I don't care.
00:25:21Mr. Alonzo, I want you to understand something.
00:25:24Yes.
00:25:24I don't care what you usually do.
00:25:26OK.
00:25:27And there are certain things that are common sense.
00:25:29All right.
00:25:30Do you understand?
00:25:30Yes.
00:25:31OK, I was on April 28, I was walking my dog on a leash.
00:25:34And I also want to tell you to be very careful what you tell me.
00:25:38OK.
00:25:38Very careful.
00:25:39April 28, I was walking my dog on a leash.
00:25:42Show me where you are.
00:25:45I was walking to the left, right here.
00:25:47That's my house on the green.
00:25:49I know where your house is.
00:25:50OK.
00:25:50I was walking to this.
00:25:51When I noticed that the gate was open,
00:25:53and then when I was getting close by,
00:25:55her dog started coming out, barking to the sidewalk,
00:25:58biting my dog in the legs.
00:26:01OK?
00:26:02Biting my dog in the legs.
00:26:03Then when I started pulling out my dog from their dog,
00:26:07that's when Juan and Grecia came out.
00:26:09They start, so they start grabbing their dog, too.
00:26:12OK?
00:26:13Grecia even apologized after the dog to the bed.
00:26:16And then later on, when she received the bill,
00:26:18she wanted me to pay her back.
00:26:20I said, shh, shh, shh, shh.
00:26:22I said, I wasn't going to pay her back,
00:26:23because it wasn't my fault or my dog's fault.
00:26:26That they leave the gate open, and their dog unattended.
00:26:29I want to tell you something.
00:26:30I do not believe you.
00:26:31Why not?
00:26:32I don't answer questions.
00:26:34I get answers to questions.
00:26:36And then I have to say to myself, these two people,
00:26:39they were going to work at 4.30 in the morning.
00:26:42You were out of the same hour.
00:26:43Do you work at that hour?
00:26:45Yes, ma'am.
00:26:45I was about to go to work, too.
00:26:48That's what I was taking my dog out.
00:26:49There are other adults in the house?
00:26:51Yes, I have two more.
00:26:53OK.
00:26:53They were all sleeping at 4.30 in the morning?
00:26:55Yes, ma'am.
00:26:56OK.
00:26:56So you opened your door,
00:26:58and you have to understand, sir,
00:27:01I am particularly unabashedly sensitive to pit bulls
00:27:07who are unleashed or not watched.
00:27:10Your dog is four years old.
00:27:11I don't know.
00:27:12I assume you have had no prior incident with your dog.
00:27:16No, ma'am.
00:27:17OK.
00:27:17That's not true.
00:27:18We'll get to it.
00:27:19Last article I keep them in my desk drawer about pit bulls was
00:27:24a baby, a three-month-old baby,
00:27:26left alone for a second with a pit bull.
00:27:28The pit bull gnawed off his hands.
00:27:30That was last week.
00:27:32So you have to understand that I'm particularly sensitive
00:27:36to a large animal that's capable of causing serious injury,
00:27:40being unattended for a second.
00:27:43You answered my question very quickly
00:27:46whether your dog, Max, had had any prior incidents.
00:27:49You said no.
00:27:50Plaintiff seems to say that that's not true.
00:27:54Now, she's going to tell me about a prior incident,
00:27:57unless you want to tell me about it first.
00:28:06Your answer is you don't know about a prior incident
00:28:11with your dog.
00:28:12Yes.
00:28:13I don't know about it.
00:28:13Is that right?
00:28:14Yeah.
00:28:14Why don't you tell me what you know?
00:28:16First things first, I have an animal control report
00:28:19that proves his statement of his leashed dog incorrect.
00:28:23May I see it, please?
00:28:24This is the second attack.
00:28:37Well, this recites your version of the events.
00:28:40Correct.
00:28:41And the report indicates your Reuben, is that correct?
00:28:45Yes.
00:28:46That you ran out to the scene to try to separate your dogs.
00:28:51Did you speak to animal control?
00:28:53Yes, I did.
00:28:53You spoke to them on what date?
00:28:55Two days after, Linda.
00:28:57May 1st.
00:28:58Yes.
00:28:59So you spoke to them?
00:29:00Yes.
00:29:00Then this write-up incorporates what you told them,
00:29:04which is consistent with what Ms. Galvin testified to, sir.
00:29:08Okay. I don't know where you are showing me
00:29:12that this was not the first instance.
00:29:15So the first instance was about a little bit over a year ago,
00:29:18where his dog attacked my dog and he didn't break skin.
00:29:23So animal control refused to create an actual incident report.
00:29:26Tell me when that was.
00:29:28That was about a year ago?
00:29:29Yes. So it was actually my mother who was walking my dog.
00:29:33I was out of state at the time.
00:29:34I have a witness statement, if that helps for anything.
00:29:37But my mother was walking the dog, where his dog was...
00:29:39You were not there.
00:29:41No, but...
00:29:41But I can't take that evidence because it's hearsay.
00:29:44Okay.
00:29:45Do you understand?
00:29:46Okay. I understand.
00:29:47The second attack was on a 10-year-old German shepherd
00:29:49walking in front of our house, walking on a leash by his owner.
00:29:52And again, the dog was out loose,
00:29:55without a leash or collar, where he attacked the German shepherd.
00:29:59Was that within the year?
00:30:00That was late January, yeah.
00:30:02Late January of this year?
00:30:04Correct. Only five, six months ago.
00:30:05Did you observe that?
00:30:07I did.
00:30:07I assisted in separating and keeping the German shepherd safe.
00:30:11Who came out of the Alonzo house to retrieve their dog?
00:30:15Was it Mr. Alonzo, or his son, or one of the other children?
00:30:18I think it was his younger daughter.
00:30:20What's your younger daughter's name?
00:30:21No, I got two. They're twins.
00:30:23So I don't know which one she's talking about, because I never...
00:30:26Well, you know them both, right?
00:30:27Yeah, I know them both.
00:30:28Just a second. Listen to me carefully.
00:30:29Okay.
00:30:30You know them both.
00:30:31Mr. Alonzo, I don't want you to play with me.
00:30:33I'm not playing with you, Your Honor.
00:30:35So there's no question that if anything happened with a German shepherd and one of your twins,
00:30:41who were not babies, came out and retrieved your dog, they would have told you about it.
00:30:47I haven't heard nothing from that.
00:30:49Really?
00:30:50He was involved, Your Honor.
00:30:51What?
00:30:52I spoke to him about the situation just days after the last incident with him.
00:30:56I brought the German shepherd and the owner and I...
00:30:58It was the proof.
00:31:02Now it's documented that your dog has attacked at least once.
00:31:07And if you let that dog or any of your other dogs out,
00:31:11they're going to take that dog and destroy it.
00:31:14You do know that.
00:31:15Yes, we do.
00:31:15And that will be your fault.
00:31:19Ruben claims their dog was off leash and started the fight.
00:31:23Just a second.
00:31:24He said, your dog barks a lot.
00:31:27That's why my dog attacked him.
00:31:28Your Honor, if my dog knew how to talk, we wouldn't be here.
00:31:31Just a second.
00:31:32When you say that after this attack on your dog, the serious one.
00:31:37Correct, yeah.
00:31:37You brought the German shepherd.
00:31:39Whose German shepherd was it?
00:31:40Somebody that lives in our community.
00:31:42And the owner?
00:31:43Yes.
00:31:44To see Mr. Alonzo.
00:31:45Correct.
00:31:45Because Mr. Alonzo said that my dog was barking too much and that's why Max attacked him.
00:31:51Okay.
00:31:52So now you bring the German shepherd.
00:31:54Your dog, Yogi, is it the vet?
00:31:56No, this is a few days post-op.
00:31:58My dog was recovering inside, indoors.
00:32:00Okay.
00:32:01So your dog is indoors, but it wasn't with you when you went to confront Mr. Alonzo with the German shepherd.
00:32:06Yes.
00:32:07And the owner of the German shepherd.
00:32:08Correct.
00:32:09Okay.
00:32:09And can you tell me what Mr. Alonzo said during that confrontation about the German shepherd?
00:32:17Not your dog.
00:32:18What did he say about the German shepherd?
00:32:20Nothing.
00:32:21His demeanor was very aggressive.
00:32:23He turned.
00:32:24He was up putting on some cameras in his home.
00:32:27He turned, did not say a word, and turned back around.
00:32:30And his son was there as well.
00:32:31Really?
00:32:32Yeah.
00:32:33Stand up.
00:32:35Over there, please.
00:32:36Your first name?
00:32:37Jason.
00:32:38Jason.
00:32:39Do you remember Miss Galvin coming to the house?
00:32:41Your father was there.
00:32:42She was there with a German shepherd and its owner.
00:32:44That's a yes or a no?
00:32:45Yes.
00:32:46Okay.
00:32:46Were you close enough to hear the conversation?
00:32:48That's a yes or a no?
00:32:49Yes.
00:32:50Did you hear the conversation about your dog at some point having a confrontation with the German shepherd?
00:32:57Yes, I did, Your Honor.
00:32:58Tell me what you heard.
00:32:59The plaintiff ended up bringing the owner of the dog over and he...
00:33:02The owner of the shepherd?
00:33:03Yeah, the owner of the shepherd.
00:33:04And he said he didn't want to start no problems or nothing.
00:33:07He didn't want to?
00:33:08He didn't want to start any problems.
00:33:09Who said?
00:33:10The owner of the shepherd?
00:33:11The owner of the shepherd.
00:33:11The owner of the shepherd said, I don't...
00:33:13He said it was an accident and stuff happens and he didn't want no problems with this.
00:33:16That's not true.
00:33:16I want to know, before he said that, what was said about Max attacking the shepherd?
00:33:24The plaintiff was claiming that...
00:33:25Plaintiff said...
00:33:26...that Max bit the German shepherd.
00:33:28Okay.
00:33:29And the German shepherd and the German shepherd's owner was there.
00:33:32Correct.
00:33:33What did your father say?
00:33:35He was just quiet during the instance.
00:33:36Just a second.
00:33:37So he said nothing?
00:33:39Correct.
00:33:39Did you say anything?
00:33:41At the current moment, I was actually holding the ladder stand because he was on a 10-foot ladder
00:33:44installing cameras.
00:33:45That is very unsafe for me to try to tell him anything.
00:33:48Just a second.
00:33:49Did he come down from the cameras?
00:33:51He was still installing the cameras as they came up.
00:33:53Well, now there are two people there.
00:33:55One person there with a dog that he knows has been seriously injured by his dog.
00:34:02And a German shepherd who I'm absolutely positive that one of your sisters discussed with him had an
00:34:11incident some months before.
00:34:13Don't say no, because I have to tell you something.
00:34:15You lied to me once.
00:34:17You lied to me once, sir.
00:34:18Yeah.
00:34:18The accident wasn't a...
00:34:21Nobody said nothing to me about it.
00:34:22That's why I didn't talk to the guy, because I don't know if she...
00:34:25Well, you talked to her.
00:34:26What I'm telling you, Mr. Alonzo, is you lied to me once.
00:34:29I believe nothing else.
00:34:31Certain things are common sense.
00:34:32I have children.
00:34:34I've had dogs.
00:34:35If one of my dogs was involved in an incident, and I was involved in separating them, and I was
00:34:40involved in making the situation better, when my parent came home from work, I would say,
00:34:45let me tell you what happened.
00:34:47And they would tell you.
00:34:48Or they would tell their older brother what happened.
00:34:52And the older brother might tell you, but somebody would tell you.
00:34:57It wasn't brought to my attention.
00:34:58It wasn't brought to your attention.
00:34:59I'm going to bring something to your attention.
00:35:01Do you have homeowner's insurance?
00:35:03Do you own your house?
00:35:04I don't own a house.
00:35:04I rent the house.
00:35:05You rent the house.
00:35:06Do you have renter's insurance?
00:35:08Yes.
00:35:08Does the renter's insurance that you have know that you have...
00:35:11Not a French bulldog, because that's what it says here.
00:35:14Somebody identified your dog as a French bulldog.
00:35:17French bulldog is different from a bully.
00:35:20I have a license that says it's not even a people.
00:35:23It's an American bully.
00:35:25It's classified in its own.
00:35:26I actually know what an American bully is.
00:35:30It's not a French bulldog.
00:35:31Do you have a French bulldog?
00:35:33We do not.
00:35:34Your Honor, he has three in his garage at the time.
00:35:36And sometimes when he illegally breeds, he has seven or eight at a time.
00:35:40It's not illegal.
00:35:40Not true.
00:35:41We've got papers to prove that.
00:35:42We're licensed breeders, Your Honor.
00:35:44All of our dogs are purple ribbon UKC show dogs.
00:35:47That doesn't make this dog any less vicious.
00:35:50Correct.
00:35:50Do you understand?
00:35:51Yes, I do, Your Honor.
00:35:52Dog caused serious injury.
00:35:55And either your father is just in a total state of denial or he hasn't been introduced to the truth.
00:36:01I don't know which one it is.
00:36:03Either way, I'm entering a judgment for them for the full amount of their vet bills.
00:36:08Now it's documented that your dog has attacked at least once.
00:36:13And if you let that dog or any of your other dogs out, they're going to take that dog and destroy it.
00:36:20You do know that.
00:36:21Yes, we do.
00:36:21And that will be your fault because you're the owner and the responsible person to make sure
00:36:27that a dog that is capable of serious physical injury, serious physical injury, doesn't injure a
00:36:34person or another animal. That's your responsibility and any other adult who lives in the house.
00:36:39Judgment for the plaintiff in the amount of $6,500. We're done. Thank you.
00:36:43This court is adjourned.
00:36:44Taking the decision was bad. I mean, they tried to like, um, consider my dog a pit bull.
00:36:54He's not a pit bull.
00:36:55She was just, she followed the truth and that's all we could have asked for.
00:36:59Their dog got out and started biting my dog. So my dog defended himself.
00:37:03It's a lie. It, he never, he came and there was never a leash, no, neither a collar.
00:37:18And that's when, that's when the dog started attacking the dog and myself.
00:37:21Probably set up another fence in front of our yard, probably established something
00:37:25a little bit more secure than what we have now.
00:37:27I've had him for more than half my life. I mean, that's my companion, my bud, my best friend.
00:37:31And to see him in pain from like weeks after was even equally as traumatic as the incident itself.
00:37:38I definitely would say be avoided. We will be taking precautions going forward,
00:37:42make sure this doesn't happen again.
00:37:43The truth always comes to light.
00:37:46I always say if you choose to get a breed of dog, that's your choice. And if the dog,
00:37:53for some reason, and dogs can go off, tax you, that's, you're a grownup, you've made a conscious
00:37:58choice. But when you bring a dog that has the potential of causing serious physical injury
00:38:04or death into a house with young children, I actually think that that should be an absolute
00:38:09liability for people who do know that certain dogs have the capacity to maim. And despite that,
00:38:17they choose that dog and bring a dog into a house with toddlers and infants. I just think that that's
00:38:25so irresponsible. I have a draw full of those. I have seen it. I know you too.
00:38:31Of those cases that just are heartbreaking. If I could give you the reader's digest of what he was
00:38:38saying and tell me if that's what you understood, would you do that for me? They ordered 320 t-shirts
00:38:45for all intents and purposes. And because of our easy math, he sent them half. They paid for 320.
00:38:52What he's saying is because they kept making changes, they spent more time on the half
00:38:58half that they got. So they didn't feel that they had to send them the other half. Is that what you're
00:39:06getting? Yes. That's a duh. Do you understand? That's a duh. You know, I'm trying to think of an
00:39:13analogous situation for you. I'm a dentist starter. And I know that sometimes in my father's business,
00:39:19somebody would come in and he'd look at a tooth and he'd say, you know what? It's a simple filling,
00:39:26you know, and I'm going to charge so much. And then he started to work. The patient said,
00:39:32okay, you know, that's a reasonable figure. And he started to work. And all of a sudden,
00:39:35he found, well, there was a little something else in there that he really had to do in order to do
00:39:41what he said he could do for 20 bucks. And so it took him more time. You think he charged the
00:39:47patient for that? No, he didn't. So you at least owe them half of what they sent you.
00:39:54They sent you $8,000. Let's make it nice and easy because I'm an easy girl. And you didn't send them
00:39:59half the t-shirts. Now we're going to talk about the t-shirts that you did send them. Because are we
00:40:05finished with the ones that he didn't? Yep. Yep. Now we're going to go to the ones that they did send.
00:40:11And you have to show me why they were unsatisfactory. Pick it up. Perfect. So this is the
00:40:19sample that we received from him. So like the way samples work is he'll send us the clothing.
00:40:23We'll A-OK it. So we A-OK this. This is a large, by the way. Everything's perfect. Everything's great.
00:40:27Okay, good. So let me show you the XL and the small. So this right here I'm holding is an XL.
00:40:34The difference. You want to see another thing? Dramatically smaller. This is what I'm holding
00:40:40is a small. We would have four small sizes. Small, medium, large, and XL.
00:40:44Hold on. Can I see the smalls? Yeah. Can I see?
00:40:47Still sorry. Still sorry. Here you go.
00:41:00Well, this could be a small. A big small. But small. Can I see the extra small, please?
00:41:05Uh, extra large. Extra large? Yeah. Yeah.
00:41:10Same exact size. They're the same size. The small and the extra large,
00:41:14if you hold them up together, they're exactly the same size.
00:41:17Lexi, hold these up together, would you please?
00:41:20Let me see. He said they're the same size.
00:41:27I don't think so. Could I?
00:41:30One certainly looked bigger to me. But not, not a small and an extra large.
00:41:40Okay. Now, this is what I'd like you to do, Cassandra. I want you to send these over to the
00:41:48defendant. And I'd like him to explain to me why these are the same size. One is labeled small.
00:41:56One is labeled extra large. This has nothing to do with a change of design.
00:42:01Mm-hmm. This has to do with almost math, which, as we all know, is not my strong suit.
00:42:08Okay. So now give me an explanation, sir. This has nothing to do with changing of the design.
00:42:13That has to do with two t-shirts that are exactly the same. One says small, one says extra large. Explain it.
00:42:19This is a very simple fix. So there was just an issue with the tag in the labeling.
00:42:23Just a second. That's what you sent them. Yeah, that's exactly my explanation. No,
00:42:28well, this is for the actual garment. What I was referring to was the print on the design.
00:42:32No, no, no. I'm talking about the actual garment. Did you send that to them?
00:42:35I did. Just a second. You sent that to them with a label that was mislabeled.
00:42:41Correct. Okay. How many of the mislabeled t-shirts did you send them?
00:42:47It's a very common mistake in manufacturing. Don't give me.
00:42:50I'm not sure. They didn't give me a number of how many. How many? How many?
00:42:54Exactly 73. You see, what the problem, Mr. Garcia, is they can't sell those online because if somebody
00:43:02calls and orders a small and they send them a small, it's an extra large. Or if somebody calls
00:43:09and orders an extra large and they get it and it's got a small. And that could be easily fixed by just
00:43:14changing. Oh, Cass, you know, my face can be easily fixed. Both. Not so easily anymore.
00:43:21These are all just fixed. Yeah. I mean, they can all be fixed. Yeah.
00:43:24When it happens, it doesn't always like have to be sent.
00:43:27Oh, yada, yada, yada, yada, yada. Okay. So half you didn't send them and 73,
00:43:32you sent them wrong. Of the other half, 73, you sent them wrong.
00:43:34Labeled wrong. Correct.
00:43:35You sent them wrong that they can't resell as you sent them online. I mean, they could send them
00:43:41to a pop-up store and sell them for nothing. You know, you try it on and see whether it fits you,
00:43:48but you can't sell them online. Otherwise, their business would be destroyed. Okay. What about the
00:43:52rest? Now we're finished with the sizes. So he has claimed to sent us over 180 shirts. That's
00:43:58incorrect. He sent us 123 exactly. You have any proof that you sent them 180 shirts?
00:44:03Uh, I had them in text messages, but I don't have that phone. But I mean, I'm sure that...
00:44:07Everybody, you know, everybody that has no case has no phone. I mean, I have...
00:44:10Mr. Garcia, everybody that has no proof, everyone then show it to me that you sent them 180 shirts.
00:44:18Well, I don't have all 180 in the picture. I have, I mean, I don't know if you'll be able to count them,
00:44:23but... You want me to count them? You're in business. Mr. Garcia.
00:44:28I don't know. You're in business, sir. That's not the way you run a business. 120.
00:44:35They sent them. Of the 120, how many were you able to sell?
00:44:39Out of the 120? Just a second. And out of the 120,
00:44:43does that include the 73 that were wrong size? Yeah.
00:44:47Yeah. Oh, that includes... So we're left with only 50 that weren't labeled incorrectly.
00:44:52How many shirts did he send you that you were able to sell?
00:44:58Zero. We sold none of his shirts.
00:45:01Because they were mislabeled or you didn't get them?
00:45:03Mislabeled or misprinted and didn't get them. Great.
00:45:05Do you have any text messages between the two of you?
00:45:09Just so many. Anything in specific?
00:45:12I'd like you to show me one where you say to him,
00:45:16we cannot sell these shirts. They're the wrong size.
00:45:19We'll show you the demand letter.
00:45:20So we sent him a demand letter, hoping that he'd still like try to solve it outside of court.
00:45:27But he never replied to it and just never senses anything.
00:45:29It'd be us telling him that the items received were not as promised,
00:45:32and the other side would be the lawsuit issue.
00:45:34Okay.
00:45:41You say in this demand letter that you are requesting a...
00:45:46First of all, he doesn't communicate with you when you send him information back and forth.
00:45:49So you say, sir, since you do not wish to communicate us, here's an official demand letter.
00:45:54Yes.
00:45:54You say that you paid him $15,986.
00:45:59Correct.
00:45:59Correct.
00:46:00Well, that's not what your lawsuit is here.
00:46:04Is your company incorporated in California? I forgot the answer to that question.
00:46:08Well, I have like an LLC. Is that what you're referring to?
00:46:10Do you have an LLC?
00:46:11I do have an LLC, yes.
00:46:12What's the name of it?
00:46:13MSP Studio. But it probably won't be under that name. It would be under all hills.
00:46:17Why?
00:46:20...is suing his son, Marvin Navas Jr., for bail and attorney fees after his son was arrested.
00:46:27Court come to order.
00:46:28All rise.
00:46:31Have a seat, please.
00:46:34Hello, Judge.
00:46:35Case 3087, Navas v. Navas.
00:46:38You're welcome.
00:46:39How old are you, Mr. Navas?
00:46:4125.
00:46:42How long have you been living at home with your mother and father?
00:46:45All my life.
00:46:46Are you still living there?
00:46:47Not right now at the moment, no.
00:46:48Where are you living?
00:46:49With my grandma in Van Nuys.
00:46:51And you left because you had a disagreement with your father?
00:46:53A huge argument, yes, ma'am.
00:46:55Shh.
00:46:55Some time ago, you're going to tell me the date, police stopped you in your car, correct?
00:47:00Correct.
00:47:00On what date was that?
00:47:03About two years ago, Super Bowl Sunday, on February 14th.
00:47:06On Valentine's Day?
00:47:07I believe so, ma'am.
00:47:082022?
00:47:092022, yes.
00:47:11And you were stopped because, according to what I read, you were smoking, but you must
00:47:15have been smoking something other than cigarettes.
00:47:17Uh, marijuana, ma'am.
00:47:19Yes, sir.
00:47:19Okay.
00:47:20In what state do you live?
00:47:21California.
00:47:22Was smoking marijuana in a car?
00:47:25You were the driver of the car, correct?
00:47:27Yes, ma'am.
00:47:28Wow.
00:47:28Is that illegal in the state of California?
00:47:30I believe so.
00:47:32I would say so, just like you can't have a bottle of vodka and
00:47:37drinking it while you're driving.
00:47:41And when the police stopped you for committing a crime, which endangered a lot of people because,
00:47:48you know, when you're not totally together, you're not supposed to be driving a car,
00:47:53they found two handguns.
00:47:54Correct.
00:47:55Who else was in the car?
00:47:57It's not funny.
00:47:58I happen to not think it's funny.
00:48:00I know that you think it's funny, but it's not funny.
00:48:02I mean, I got off scot-free, so...
00:48:03How many...
00:48:04I'm not thinking 10 years, ma'am.
00:48:07How many other people were in the car?
00:48:10I believe four other people.
00:48:12I had a full car.
00:48:13You know how many other people were in the car.
00:48:15You were driving.
00:48:16I just said four, ma'am.
00:48:18Four others?
00:48:19Yep.
00:48:19Full car.
00:48:20And where were the guns found, sir?
00:48:22I don't know.
00:48:23I was not the police, so...
00:48:24No, but you were in the car.
00:48:26Don't be a wise guy with me because I eat people like you for breakfast.
00:48:29I don't think you're either cute or accomplished.
00:48:33You're neither cute or accomplished.
00:48:35I know I'm cute.
00:48:35At age 25, you don't live on your own.
00:48:38You either live with your mother or your father.
00:48:40Then when they throw you out, you go and live with your grandmother.
00:48:42I neither think that you're cute or accomplished.
00:48:45Maybe young girls do.
00:48:47I'm an old lady.
00:48:48I fail to see your attractiveness,
00:48:50and I fail to see how any of this is funny.
00:48:52You ever see my smile, ma'am?
00:48:53That's pretty attractive.
00:48:54It depends.
00:48:55Let me ask around.
00:48:56You find that attractive?
00:48:58No.
00:48:59Whitney, you're younger than I am.
00:49:01A little bit older than Sarah.
00:49:03You find that attractive?
00:49:04They want to get the job.
00:49:06It's not only not attractive, but when your grandmother watches that,
00:49:12she's going to think you're a fool, along with a lot of other people.
00:49:15And it's going to be my joy, my absolute joy, to fill in the blanks.
00:49:22So you don't know where the two other guns were found,
00:49:25and everything got thrown out.
00:49:28So now you have no adult criminal record.
00:49:32Correct.
00:49:32Did you have a juvenile criminal record?
00:49:36Answer the question.
00:49:38Did you have a juvie record?
00:49:40Of course you did.
00:49:41I know everything.
00:49:43Wise guys like you always have a juvie record.
00:49:46So when they booked you, they put you in jail.
00:49:50Now, as a juvie, you had been taken into custody before,
00:49:53but I don't think that you had been put in an adult kind of situation,
00:49:58in an adult facility.
00:50:00So let me ask you a question.
00:50:03Did you call your girlfriend?
00:50:06Nope.
00:50:06Did you call your priest?
00:50:09Nope.
00:50:09Did you call your family physician?
00:50:12Nope.
00:50:12Yeah, I'll assume, for the record, Whitney,
00:50:16I'm going to assume that this accomplished 25-year-old
00:50:20who lives under the auspices of his parents or his grandma
00:50:24doesn't know how to say no, or no, ma'am, or no, Your Honor.
00:50:28He says no.
00:50:30I assume, sir, that you are not a graduate of any university.
00:50:34Nope.
00:50:35No.
00:50:36Let's see.
00:50:38So you didn't call any of those people who...
00:50:41They gave you a phone call.
00:50:42Who did you call?
00:50:43I thought I'd call my dad, tell him to get me out.
00:50:45Just a second.
00:50:46You called your dad.
00:50:51I'm 24 years old, and I live with you.
00:50:55My God, I was smoking in my car, and they called me over,
00:50:59and they had two guns, and I'm in jail now.
00:51:01Yeah.
00:51:02What did you call your father for?
00:51:05To get me out.
00:51:05Why?
00:51:07That's...
00:51:07It's a job to protect me, right?
00:51:09You have kids, ma'am?
00:51:09What?
00:51:10You have kids, ma'am?
00:51:11Five and 13 grandchildren, one great-grandchild,
00:51:15and I want to tell you something.
00:51:16This is one of them, and the last person they would call,
00:51:23any of them, if they got pulled over, smoking a joint,
00:51:28and there were guns found, the very last person that they would call is me.
00:51:35That's the very last person they would call,
00:51:38and they actually consider me a pretty good mother and grandmother,
00:51:42but they know you're going to act like a fool. Call somebody else.
00:51:46So you called your daddy.
00:51:49You called your dad.
00:51:50My father.
00:51:50No, you called your daddy.
00:51:51My father.
00:51:52You called your daddy, and you said, come and get me out.
00:51:58And he did, and he got you out. He paid a bail bondsman,
00:52:02which is what this case is about. You think this was going to be easy?
00:52:06Not easy. You don't mind my doing that to him, do you?
00:52:08No, ma'am.
00:52:09Great. Are you his mother?
00:52:10Yes, ma'am.
00:52:11Is he your only son?
00:52:13He's my only son.
00:52:14He's your only son. I could tell.
00:52:19I could tell.
00:52:20It's nothing against you, but you can always tell when a little boy has been pampered by his mother
00:52:25and thinks that he's the cat's meow, even though he's unaccomplished.
00:52:29He got you out, and he got you a lawyer, and that's what this case is about, Mr. Navas.
00:52:34Yes, ma'am.
00:52:35This is about the bail and the money that you spent on a lawyer.
00:52:39That he spent.
00:52:39Jump, jump.
00:52:40Don't speak.
00:52:41That he spent.
00:52:42If you speak, if you speak unless I speak to you, sir, I'm going to throw you out.
00:52:47Do you understand?
00:52:47I'm sorry.
00:52:48Or I'm going to tell Kevin to put you in your seat.
00:52:51Sorry, ma'am.
00:52:51Very good.
00:52:52So when I speak to you, like I did before, you can answer me. Now I'm speaking to your daddy.
00:53:02You got a tax return, and you gave it to your father. That's either a yes or a no. That's not
00:53:07I don't remember. I don't remember means that you're dull-witted. Are you dull-witted?
00:53:11No, ma'am.
00:53:12Okay. You're not dull-witted. You're a wise-ass, but you're not dull-witted.
00:53:17Okay, so you are suing him for the $2,800 or whatever it was for the bail bondsman,
00:53:24and you also paid an attorney $14,000.
00:53:28Yes, ma'am.
00:53:28Now, when you pay this money to the lawyer and to the bail bondsman, what kind of work was your son
00:53:36doing?
00:53:36Before that, he was working for a security company.
00:53:40Okay. As a what?
00:53:42In the warehouse.
00:53:43So he was working at a minimum wage kind of job.
00:53:45Yes, ma'am.
00:53:46And so you knew that he didn't have $14,000 or $16,000. You knew that he didn't have that.
00:53:53And he's living with you instead of living on his own, because he's not even earning
00:53:57enough money to have his own apartment or to pay for his own gas, electric, utilities,
00:54:03water, heat, air conditioning. So he's living in his room, in his old room.
00:54:10Yes, ma'am.
00:54:11Ultimately, the case was dismissed.
00:54:14It's not completely dismissed, ma'am. The statute of limitations hasn't expired.
00:54:20So is the case still pending?
00:54:21Yes, because I have this e-mail there.
00:54:24Can I see what he's got?
00:54:25Yes, ma'am.
00:54:37So the case has not been dismissed?
00:54:39No, ma'am.
00:54:39The DA just hasn't filed on it?
00:54:41Yes, ma'am.
00:54:42Oh, got it now.
00:54:43Okay. So I can't ask him anything else about these pending charges.
00:54:47He goes, right now, his attorney's not here. And his attorney would not like for me to do that.
00:54:53Now, was your son still working in the warehouse when you had this incident with him that caused
00:55:02him to move out?
00:55:02No, not when he moved out, ma'am. No.
00:55:05Where was he working?
00:55:06He wasn't. He got laid off.
00:55:08When did he get laid off?
00:55:09I got to say, probably like August.
00:55:12August of 2023?
00:55:142022.
00:55:1522?
00:55:16Oh.
00:55:17That's 23, actually.
00:55:18Shhh.
00:55:1923, actually.
00:55:20Well, but this is interesting, sir.
00:55:22That's all right.
00:55:22Because you say in your complaint that the charges were fully dropped against him in March of 2023,
00:55:31but that's not so.
00:55:32That's what I assume, ma'am.
00:55:34Well, no, but it wasn't, not according to this letter.
00:55:37Yeah, no.
00:55:37And the reason I got that email from the lawyer, ma'am, is because I reached out to her to ask her
00:55:44about the Bales Bond exoneration letter, because my name was on the, on the Bales Bond.
00:55:52And then that's when she sent that email stating that.
00:55:54Okay.
00:55:55So now I want you to tell me, sir, you see, the boy.
00:55:59The man.
00:56:00The boy says that he never had an agreement with you.
00:56:05Never did.
00:56:05To pay.
00:56:08He never had an agreement with you to pay you back.
00:56:12And that what you did, you did because he's your son and you're his father.
00:56:17And the reason that you threw him out of the house was that you came home from work one day.
00:56:22What kind of work do you do?
00:56:24I'm in sales, ma'am.
00:56:25That you came home from work one day.
00:56:27He was not working.
00:56:29And he was, according to you, according to your papers, he was lying on the couch and smoking marijuana.
00:56:35Well, uh...
00:56:37That's what you say here.
00:56:38What happened, ma'am, is it was on a weekend.
00:56:43I was drinking, I was drinking a beer and he went out, he left, came back and he smelled like marijuana
00:56:51in front of me.
00:56:52And I said, then that's when I asked him, I go, if you got money to buy marijuana,
00:56:58how come you're not making me whole on this?
00:57:01You made some payments on this because when he, he filed the, when he filed his income taxes
00:57:07on the years before, we will keep his, his returns to put towards what he owned.
00:57:13Just a second.
00:57:14Is what you're telling me that you had an agreement with him for when he got a refund
00:57:20on his taxes that he would give you that money?
00:57:23He was, he was making payments before.
00:57:24He was making payments.
00:57:26Yes, ma'am.
00:57:27How much did he make in payments?
00:57:29He made a, uh, a total of about $2,500.
00:57:32Can I see the document that you're looking at?
00:57:35Yes.
00:57:42Okay.
00:57:43This says that you did in fact make some payments to your father.
00:57:46Income tax return. And that was in April of 2023 that you did in fact make a payment to him
00:57:52of $1,222. Is that correct?
00:57:56I believe so.
00:57:57Just a second. I'm asking you a question, boy.
00:58:00If it says right there, I don't recall that, so.
00:58:02Okay. Do you recall that you got a refund on your taxes?
00:58:06Um, maybe. It could have been a stimulus check. I don't know.
00:58:09All right. Well, I can see I'm not getting anywhere with you because you're a moron.
00:58:12And what you really don't know, sir, is how to read the room. And, you know,
00:58:21sometimes people learn that when they're very young. Sarah learned how to read the room when
00:58:26she was three. It doesn't require an education. It requires listening to what's going on around you.
00:58:34So if you listen to what I was asking you before, it's perfectly logical that your father might
00:58:41think that because you had money to go out and buy weed, you should be paying him. But in reality,
00:58:49he had no expectation of being repaid because you had either no job or a low paying job.
00:58:55That's a perfectly reasonable thing for me to think as a parent. Do you understand?
00:58:59Yes, ma'am.
00:59:00Okay. But when I ask you, and I'm sure that you remember because we're not talking about
00:59:06something that happened 10 years ago, but a few months ago, you got a tax return,
00:59:11$1,200, and you gave it to your father. That's either a yes or a no. That's not I don't remember.
00:59:18I don't remember means that you're dull-witted. Are you dull-witted?
00:59:21No, ma'am.
00:59:23Okay. You're not dull-witted. You're a wise-ass, but you're not dull-witted.
00:59:26Then you made several other payments. In April of 2022, you again gave your father $1,123.
00:59:38Does that sound familiar?
00:59:40Nope.
00:59:40No.
00:59:41He could have tied that up yesterday.
00:59:42He could have. Just a second. He could have. So what you're telling me is that you never made
00:59:49any payments to your father.
00:59:51That's not a recall, ma'am.
00:59:52No, no. That's not an I don't recall. That means that you're dull-witted.
00:59:59Somebody's going to hurt him one day.
01:00:01Who?
01:00:01Somebody's going to hurt him one day.
01:00:02Who?
01:00:03Yeah. That kind of wise guy always gets himself into trouble. Always.
01:00:09I want you to understand that I believe...
01:00:16Yes, ma'am.
01:00:17...that you didn't put in a kennel for the dogs...
01:00:20I hear you.
01:00:21...until April of 2023. You hear me?
01:00:25Yeah.
01:00:25Okie dokie.
01:00:28Okay. When was the next one?
01:00:31The next is so many, Your Honor.
01:00:34Oh, that's okay. I'm telling you, you were still there and you didn't put in a kennel until April of 2023.
01:00:39You were in violation of your lease for a very long time.
01:00:43Yeah.
01:00:44Yeah.
01:00:45You were in violation of your lease for a very long time.
01:00:47Because I wouldn't like to live next door to you with two pit bulls roaming around the backyard.
01:00:51Right.
01:00:52Anything else?
01:00:53Not with the eviction.
01:00:54Great. So your next cause of action is slander, defamation of character. Tell me what that was.
01:01:02Um, she made a few Facebook posts using my name.
01:01:05In what way?
01:01:06Saying how much I owed in rent, um, saying that I was unable to pay it.
01:01:12And then there's another one where she said that I tore her house up.
01:01:16That's what she's counterclaiming for.
01:01:18Yeah.
01:01:18So far none of that is slanderous.
01:01:20Yeah, she lets her animals tear up the property.
01:01:23Miss Bell?
01:01:24Yes, ma'am.
01:01:25She says back here in August of this year, she lies about it but fails to inform the magistrate landlord
01:01:34she lets her animals tear up the property.
01:01:37But does she want repairs done? No.
01:01:39Why, you say?
01:01:40She engineers lies on Facebook to justify her actions in not giving me access to the property
01:01:47so it can look like I'm not doing the repairs.
01:01:50What she put on Facebook.
01:01:52Yeah, I know it's what she put on Facebook.
01:01:55Your case is dismissed.
01:01:57All right, so we're finished with you.
01:01:58Money owed for defamation, property damage.
01:02:00How did she damage your property?
01:02:02That's all I'm interested in.
01:02:03She lit the self-igniting hot water tape.
01:02:06Okay, what else?
01:02:07I had the attorney's fees from her.
01:02:10What attorney's fees?
01:02:11The attorney's fees about this case.
01:02:13They were $875.
01:02:15For what?
01:02:16For what case are you talking about?
01:02:18I'm talking about the Smalls Claims Court case.
01:02:21And we also talked about tenants issues.
01:02:23We talked about, you know, what I would be liable if she filed an answer for this case.
01:02:26All right, very, very nice.
01:02:27It's all very, very nice.
01:02:28You're living someplace else now?
01:02:31Yes, ma'am.
01:02:31You have another tenant in the house?
01:02:33No, ma'am.
01:02:34She hasn't released Tennessee from the property,
01:02:36which is why I have to keep putting notices on the door.
01:02:38So I can stay legal.
01:02:40Stop for a second.
01:02:41What do you mean she hasn't released?
01:02:43She hasn't given me the keys back to the property.
01:02:45She hasn't told me that she was moving from the property.
01:02:47My attorney called and, you know, made contact to ask,
01:02:52and had me ask her, and she hasn't moved anything.
01:02:54You mean she still has property there?
01:02:56Oh, yes, ma'am.
01:02:57She still has property there.
01:02:58What does she have?
01:02:59She has a bed, a dresser.
01:03:01Just a second.
01:03:02Do you still have any property that you want in the house?
01:03:04No, ma'am.
01:03:05You don't?
01:03:06No.
01:03:06When you moved out, did you leave things of yours there?
01:03:09No.
01:03:10What about a bed?
01:03:11No.
01:03:11A dog?
01:03:13What?
01:03:13She left a dog there for 10 days with no heat,
01:03:17and said that I exposed the dog to 20 degree weather on Facebook.
01:03:22She said that.
01:03:23Did you leave a dog there?
01:03:24No, ma'am.
01:03:25You took a dog with you?
01:03:26Yes.
01:03:27Do you have any proof?
01:03:28I have both.
01:03:29Did she have three dogs?
01:03:30I have two.
01:03:31No, did she have three?
01:03:32She actually had nine.
01:03:34She had two dogs.
01:03:35Those dogs had puppies.
01:03:36And she ran a little farm out of my house.
01:03:39Listen to me.
01:03:40You both submitted yourself to my jurisdiction.
01:03:42Yes.
01:03:43Say nothing.
01:03:44She has now gone from the house.
01:03:46I find that she is acknowledged that she is no longer a tenant of yours.
01:03:50Cool.
01:03:51Anything in the house that you do not want to keep, that you think was hers, you can dispose of.
01:03:58Sell it, throw it away, change the locks on the door, the tumbler.
01:04:04If she didn't give you the keys back, change the tumbler.
01:04:07I will prepare that order, and I will sign it.
01:04:10And you agree with it, correct?
01:04:12Yes, ma'am.
01:04:12Yes, ma'am.
01:04:13She's going to dispose of any property that's there.
01:04:17She's going to change the tumbler this week, because he should do that anyway.
01:04:21Yes.
01:04:22Mm-hmm.
01:04:22Okay?
01:04:23She don't own the house.
01:04:24I don't care who owns the house.
01:04:26She was your landlord.
01:04:27That's what she says.
01:04:28So if she wants to do that, she can do that.
01:04:30But you have nothing there that you claim is yours anymore, and you are no longer a tenant
01:04:36in that house.
01:04:37Correct.
01:04:38So whoever owns the house could get rid of whatever they want,
01:04:41can change the locks on the doors.
01:04:44Do you understand?
01:04:45Oh, yes, ma'am.
01:04:46Perfect.
01:04:46We're finished.
01:04:47We'll prepare the order for you.
01:04:49Bye.
01:04:49This court is adjourned.
01:04:55Overall, I think it was fair.
01:04:57I like Judge Judy.
01:04:58I think that she is fair, which is why I agreed to call.
01:05:01It was ongoing harassment, the everyday coming home with a paper posted to the door.
01:05:07I got a 24-hour notice that I put on the door,
01:05:10so I could go in and check the heat and discover that she had left the dog there
01:05:14after she had moved, after she had transferred her utilities.
01:05:19The only dog that was in the house was her.
01:05:21She left the dog there 10 days.
01:05:24My daughter was burned by a stove that was on the property, third-degree burns.
01:05:28You know, I'm sorry your daughter got hurt if she got hurt.
01:05:30I wasn't there.
01:05:31I think stoves are usually user-friendly.
01:05:35She said that she's not on the lease, so she wasn't going to replace it.
01:05:38The stove was her responsibility.
01:05:40I will never rent from her again, and hopefully anybody that sees it runs.
01:05:45I am so elated that she's gone.
01:05:47I'm just in a better place.
01:05:49What I would say is, America, you know, don't do drugs.
01:05:53So I have to tell you one of my pet peeves as both somebody on the bench, but more than that,
01:05:59just a citizen, there is a swath of people who are Americans, who live in this country,
01:06:04that need assistance, who work, some can't work, but who work and can't quite make it.
01:06:12I can't tell you how it bothers me when somebody has three employed adults
01:06:18in their house and applies for and accepted for government-assisted housing.
01:06:26She knew she wasn't entitled to it.
01:06:28Mm-hmm.
01:06:29You know, you could tell from her look that she knew she wasn't entitled to it.
01:06:32And it's just too bad that the government is so inept that it can't ferret out those people who need
01:06:42and those people who want.
01:06:44Mm-hmm.
01:06:44Well, there's a big difference.
01:06:46Need and want are two different things.
01:06:48It just constantly surprises me the inefficiency of government.
01:06:53And really, the way some people will spend more time scheming to get what they're not entitled to
01:07:00than they will spend moving their lives forward in a positive direction.
01:07:05It is a very tricky system.
01:07:07You know, I've dabbled in just seeing what the process would be like
01:07:10of applying for any sort of government assistance and just to try and understand
01:07:14litigants a bit better who have gone through it.
01:07:17And it's complicated.
01:07:18It's nuanced and complicated and online and there are multiple forms
01:07:23and this one has to go before this one.
01:07:25I feel like if you're able to complete that, you have a skill that could be used
01:07:29in a productive way to make it so that you don't need to figure out that whole scheme.
01:07:35That's a good point.
Be the first to comment