Judge Judy Full Episode 1199 - Dueling Evictions - Best Amazing Cases Season 2O25 - Full Episode HD - video Dailymotion

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00:00:00He was very upset, crying.

00:00:02He had nowhere to go.

00:00:03You were having trouble with your wife.

00:00:04Irrelevant.

00:00:05It's just...

00:00:05That's not what I said!

00:00:07He wanted to work on his marriage.

00:00:08He said to your friends,

00:00:10I need a place to go.

00:00:13That is true.

00:00:14Introduce your...

00:00:15St. Kelly and Robert caused them to be evicted.

00:00:17So when you went to their house

00:00:19and you wanted to work on your marriage,

00:00:20you could have gone back to your in-laws?

00:00:22Yes, that's correct.

00:00:23You could have. Why didn't you?

00:00:24The reason why we decided to split up

00:00:26was because we're trying to keep our kids

00:00:27in the same school district.

00:00:28So with having four dogs,

00:00:30that's impossible to keep in an HOA.

00:00:32So she decided to go with her parents.

00:00:33I decided to stay back

00:00:34to finish the school year with the kids,

00:00:36still being in May,

00:00:37so they can finish in the same school district.

00:00:40That's why I decided I needed a mailing address

00:00:41so that they could stay in the same school district.

00:00:43So you mean this discussion

00:00:45that she just said to me

00:00:46about you having problems,

00:00:48marital problems with your wife,

00:00:49that never happened?

00:00:50Irrelevant.

00:00:51That's not what I said!

00:00:53What I said was because I believe her.

00:00:56I believe that that's what happened.

00:00:57I believe that you called her

00:00:58and said exactly what she said.

00:01:00She told me.

00:01:02I mean, I don't have to have Whitney read it back.

00:01:03I believe that that's what you said.

00:01:05So I don't want to hear baloney

00:01:06about school districts.

00:01:07You were having trouble with your wife.

00:01:09No, ma'am.

00:01:10No?

00:01:10No.

00:01:10And you didn't tell her that?

00:01:12We had been moved out of our old place

00:01:14of six years in El Cajon,

00:01:16and we were trying for six months

00:01:18to find a new place.

00:01:19So yes, it does put a lot of stress

00:01:20on a relationship,

00:01:21but we did not have any marital...

00:01:23Mr. Burroughs,

00:01:24you know what my strong suit is,

00:01:26and there's no question

00:01:26that the cameras just caught your face.

00:01:29My strong suit is

00:01:30being able to spot a lie

00:01:32from a mile away.

00:01:34And I'm telling you

00:01:35that there's no question

00:01:36that you called her late at night

00:01:38and said,

00:01:38I'm having trouble with my wife.

00:01:40She asked me for a divorce.

00:01:42Can I come and stay with you?

00:01:44There's no question that

00:01:45whether it was true or not,

00:01:46I don't know,

00:01:46because clearly you're a liar.

00:01:48So maybe it wasn't true,

00:01:49but that's what you told her.

00:01:50Your Honor, may I speak?

00:01:52You want me to call your parents?

00:01:54Please do.

00:01:55Would you like me

00:01:55to call your parents?

00:01:56I'm just asking you,

00:01:57would you like me

00:01:58to call your parents?

00:01:59No.

00:02:00Of course not.

00:02:01That's an easy thing for me to do.

00:02:03Part of what was going on

00:02:05was that we lived in our home

00:02:06for six years,

00:02:07and the homeowners

00:02:08had moved back in,

00:02:09and so they asked us to leave,

00:02:10and we had been actively

00:02:11searching for a home.

00:02:12So yes, it did put

00:02:13a bit of a strain

00:02:15on our marriage,

00:02:15and I took my dogs with me

00:02:18so that I can keep

00:02:19my operating business

00:02:20at my parents' house

00:02:21because I am a dog boarder,

00:02:22dog sitter,

00:02:23and I did not want

00:02:25to shut my business down.

00:02:26And during this time,

00:02:28tensions, little things

00:02:30happening at my parents' house.

00:02:32So I said,

00:02:32you need to go see

00:02:33if you can rent a room

00:02:34or find somebody

00:02:35that can help you

00:02:36in the meantime

00:02:37until we can actively

00:02:38keep searching

00:02:39for a place for our family.

00:02:41We tried five different homes,

00:02:43and we didn't do that.

00:02:43I don't care.

00:02:44What I said to your husband

00:02:45was he lied to me

00:02:47because there's no question

00:02:49that he called

00:02:49and whether it was true or not

00:02:51that he said to your friends,

00:02:52I need a place to go.

00:02:54Do you have a place

00:02:55that I could stay on the couch?

00:02:57There's no question

00:02:58he said that to her.

00:03:00That is true.

00:03:01Yes, that is true.

00:03:01Okay.

00:03:02Well, then I want you

00:03:03to introduce your husband

00:03:04to the truth.

00:03:06It's something

00:03:07that he hasn't met

00:03:08because that's not

00:03:09what he told me

00:03:10what happened.

00:03:11Correct.

00:03:11So that was a mistake of his.

00:03:13A mistake.

00:03:13That was a mistake.

00:03:15And you know what happens

00:03:16when you lied to me once?

00:03:17Your case is dismissed

00:03:19because what you're suing for

00:03:22is being evicted

00:03:23and you go,

00:03:24blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah,

00:03:25emotional distress.

00:03:26You lied to me once,

00:03:29your case is dismissed.

00:03:30Now, we're going to come over here.

00:03:33You have a counterclaim.

00:03:34Your counterclaim is money owed

00:03:36for property damage.

00:03:38Correct.

00:03:38And for damages for eviction

00:03:40because what happened was

00:03:42your landlord evicted you

00:03:43because she comes

00:03:45with her four dogs,

00:03:46three gerbils,

00:03:47two parakeets

00:03:48to your house

00:03:49and the owner of your condo

00:03:51doesn't want her anymore

00:03:52than the owner

00:03:53of their last condo.

00:03:54Of course.

00:03:54Didn't want them.

00:03:55Got to save your money,

00:03:56buy your own house

00:03:57so you can have as many dogs

00:03:58and parakeets as you like.

00:03:59You moved into a place

00:04:01that's nicer?

00:04:02Absolutely not.

00:04:03Tell me what the papers said

00:04:05when your landlord notified you

00:04:07of the eviction.

00:04:08Do you have them?

00:04:09We do.

00:04:10I'd like to take a look at them.

00:04:11Yes, no problem.

00:04:15There was also in that piece of paper

00:04:17a $250 fine through our HOA

00:04:20from the whole commotion

00:04:22that he caused the day

00:04:23of asking them to leave.

00:04:24Just a second,

00:04:24you were a month-to-month tenant?

00:04:26Correct.

00:04:27You didn't have a lease for two years.

00:04:28You were a month-to-month tenant?

00:04:29We had a year lease

00:04:30and then when the year was up

00:04:31we moved month-to-month.

00:04:32They didn't evict you.

00:04:33No, they just gave us,

00:04:34they asked us to leave.

00:04:34Just a second.

00:04:35Your lawsuit is for damages,

00:04:38putative damages for an eviction.

00:04:40You weren't evicted.

00:04:41Well, we were asked to leave

00:04:42if we didn't evict for an eviction.

00:04:43No, they just decided

00:04:44not to renew your month-to-month lease.

00:04:46Due to the law?

00:04:47I don't care what it was due to.

00:04:49Listen, if I owned a property

00:04:50and you let three kids,

00:04:53four dogs,

00:04:54moved into my condo for six days,

00:04:57I wouldn't renew your lease

00:04:58on a month-to-month basis either.

00:05:00I don't care whether they were there

00:05:01for two days, four days,

00:05:02a week, or a month.

00:05:03You understand?

00:05:04Understood.

00:05:05Okay, so there was no eviction.

00:05:06So the punitive damages for that,

00:05:08forget it,

00:05:09money owed for property damage.

00:05:11When they moved out,

00:05:12what did they damage?

00:05:13And how much did it cost you?

00:05:15There was a hole in the molding

00:05:17from moving the dressers

00:05:18down our stairs.

00:05:19They bonked it,

00:05:20bringing it out angrily

00:05:21because they were mad

00:05:22that we asked them to leave.

00:05:23We have the letters

00:05:24from our landlord

00:05:25stating everything they had

00:05:26to deduct from our deposit.

00:05:28Just a second,

00:05:28a hole in the wall.

00:05:29And how much

00:05:30was the hole in the wall?

00:05:31The molding was...

00:05:33No, just look at the paper

00:05:34and tell me how much

00:05:35was the hole in the wall.

00:05:37The painting was 180

00:05:38and the molding repair

00:05:40was 200.

00:05:41How?

00:05:41Did you damage the molding

00:05:42when you were moving

00:05:43a dresser out of the house?

00:05:45Not that I'm aware of.

00:05:46Okay, not that you're aware of.

00:05:48You want to try the truth now?

00:05:49Was there a hole

00:05:51that you created

00:05:52moving a dresser

00:05:53out of the house?

00:05:54When David and I

00:05:55were moving our dresser

00:05:56over the stairs,

00:05:57down the stairs?

00:05:57Who's David?

00:05:58The defendant.

00:05:59So you were moving

00:06:00out the dresser with him?

00:06:02Careful.

00:06:03Introducing you to the truth.

00:06:05Did you move

00:06:06the dresser with him?

00:06:07I did help move

00:06:08the furniture out.

00:06:09The case is dismissed.

00:06:10I would think with the CPS.

00:06:11The counterclaim,

00:06:11likewise, is dismissed.

00:06:13We're done.

00:06:14This court is adjourned.

00:06:17I take it as a win.

00:06:19The initial suit

00:06:20was them against us.

00:06:21Their suit got dismissed.

00:06:22We lost a lot of things

00:06:24and a lot of wages.

00:06:25That was just us

00:06:26being good friends.

00:06:27We definitely learned

00:06:28our lesson.

00:06:28We will never help

00:06:29another crying husband

00:06:30on our doorstep

00:06:31claiming divorce again.

00:06:32People that are offering

00:06:33to be nice to you

00:06:35in times of need

00:06:36don't charge you.

00:06:37They kind of cried,

00:06:38oh, marriage and divorce

00:06:39the whole time,

00:06:40knowing that we're young

00:06:41and married.

00:06:41It's something we take

00:06:42seriously in our lives.

00:06:43And we're still trying

00:06:44to build our lives back.

00:06:45I should actually

00:06:47make a party

00:06:47to introduce all those

00:06:49people to Mr. Truth.

00:06:50I agree.

00:06:51There's a lot of

00:06:53mismatch.

00:06:54It doesn't make sense.

00:06:54If you're going to stay

00:06:55with a friend for a few days,

00:06:57you don't bring a bunk bed

00:06:58and two dressers.

00:06:59I've stayed with friends

00:07:00for a couple days,

00:07:02long weekend.

00:07:03You bring a bag

00:07:03with some clothes.

00:07:04Even with your kids.

00:07:05Yeah, you don't bring

00:07:06furniture.

00:07:06You don't bring any of that.

00:07:07So there's a lot

00:07:08of discrepancies.

00:07:09Things that didn't make sense.

00:07:10If it doesn't make sense,

00:07:11it's usually not true.

00:07:12Agreed.

00:07:13Case 2041,

00:07:14Dionne v. Everson.

00:07:16All parties,

00:07:17please step forward.

00:07:18Caitlin Dionne

00:07:19claims her former employer,

00:07:21Scott Everson,

00:07:22breached their contract

00:07:23to buy her baby shoe business.

00:07:26All right.

00:07:26What looks to be

00:07:27a complicated case,

00:07:28actually,

00:07:29is merely just

00:07:29a contract case.

00:07:31Ms. Dionne,

00:07:32you had a side business

00:07:34of making baby shoes,

00:07:35and I assume

00:07:36that those are

00:07:36the baby shoes.

00:07:37Yes, it was a full time business.

00:07:38The defendants

00:07:39had a children's clothing

00:07:41website,

00:07:41and they became

00:07:43familiar with

00:07:43your baby shoes,

00:07:44and they were interested

00:07:45in buying your business.

00:07:47You entered into

00:07:47a contract wherein,

00:07:49I believe,

00:07:49that they agreed

00:07:50to pay you $30,000

00:07:52for the business.

00:07:53Is that correct?

00:07:53That was the asking price.

00:07:54There was never

00:07:55a written contract signed.

00:07:56That's incorrect.

00:07:56Just a second.

00:07:57You entered into

00:07:58a deal

00:07:59for $30,000

00:08:01and an employment contract

00:08:03without a written contract?

00:08:06I have the written contract

00:08:07here, Your Honor.

00:08:08Oh, yeah.

00:08:08I would say goodbye

00:08:10to you all

00:08:10if there wasn't

00:08:11a written contract.

00:08:12There was a draft

00:08:12of a contract,

00:08:13the terms of which

00:08:14changed numerous times

00:08:15over the two years.

00:08:16No, no, no.

00:08:16You can't change

00:08:18a written contract.

00:08:19Was it a written contract

00:08:20that was signed

00:08:21by both parties?

00:08:22No.

00:08:22It was never signed.

00:08:23He refused to sign it,

00:08:24even though he was the one

00:08:25that wrote it himself.

00:08:26Paramount versus Morgan.

00:08:27You're welcome.

00:08:29Ms. Paramount,

00:08:30you and the defendant

00:08:31had been friends.

00:08:32Yes.

00:08:32And according to what I read,

00:08:34there was a falling out,

00:08:35which you will tell me

00:08:37about briefly.

00:08:38Subsequently,

00:08:39and without too much time

00:08:41having passed,

00:08:42you decided to conduct

00:08:44an intervention,

00:08:46a drug intervention,

00:08:47with the defendant.

00:08:49Yes.

00:08:49And it is your claim

00:08:50that during that drug intervention,

00:08:53she damaged your television set

00:08:55and you want her to pay

00:08:57for a new TV.

00:08:58That's what your case is about.

00:08:59The defendant has a cross complaint.

00:09:01She says she's missing

00:09:02some sort of a speaker.

00:09:04I don't know what that is.

00:09:04And for the emotional distress

00:09:06that she suffered

00:09:08as a result of this intervention.

00:09:10So I have a couple of questions,

00:09:12just preliminarily.

00:09:13How long have you known each other?

00:09:15Over 20 years.

00:09:16Friends?

00:09:17Yes, best friends.

00:09:18Former best friends.

00:09:19Former best friends.

00:09:20But there came a time,

00:09:21according to your complaint,

00:09:22that there was a falling out.

00:09:24And when was that?

00:09:25That was in May of this year.

00:09:27And what was the falling out about?

00:09:28It was about our mutual friend and...

00:09:31This gentleman?

00:09:32Yes.

00:09:33What about your mutual friend?

00:09:34He was in the hospital

00:09:36and we were all taking care of him.

00:09:38And she felt adamant to tell me

00:09:41that I need to do certain things for him.

00:09:44And I was letting her know

00:09:45that if he needs to tell me,

00:09:48he needs my help.

00:09:49He can tell me.

00:09:50Okay.

00:09:50There were several people

00:09:52looking after him

00:09:53while he was in the hospital,

00:09:55taking turns.

00:09:55Is that right?

00:09:56Yes.

00:09:57And she was telling you

00:09:58things that you should be doing for him.

00:10:01And you said to her,

00:10:03if he wants me to do something,

00:10:04let him tell me you don't direct me.

00:10:07Correct.

00:10:07Okay.

00:10:08Tell me the next thing that happened

00:10:09that brings us to court today.

00:10:11Well, after that, in May,

00:10:13I blocked her.

00:10:14We didn't speak.

00:10:15Did you go to visit him?

00:10:17Oh, yes.

00:10:18Oh, yes.

00:10:18And did you?

00:10:19Yes.

00:10:20So you both did.

00:10:21Okay.

00:10:21So you blocked her in May.

00:10:23Then what's the next thing that happened?

00:10:24Now we're in September.

00:10:25And this was...

00:10:27And between May and September,

00:10:28you haven't seen her?

00:10:29Haven't seen her.

00:10:30Okay.

00:10:30And now it's September.

00:10:32It's Labor Day weekend.

00:10:34And our friend Brandon

00:10:35wanted to mend our friendship back together.

00:10:40And it kind of did

00:10:42because we've been friends for so long.

00:10:44We talked and kind of mended.

00:10:47Okay.

00:10:48Okay?

00:10:48So I unblocked her.

00:10:49And then on that Sunday,

00:10:52September 4th,

00:10:53she calls me at 7 o'clock in the morning.

00:10:57And I guess she still felt uneasy about,

00:11:01you know,

00:11:01us not talking for so long

00:11:04that she demanded an apology from me.

00:11:06She called you early in the morning

00:11:07demanding an apology for what?

00:11:10For basically just,

00:11:12I was in the wrong of not listening to her

00:11:15about our friend.

00:11:16Okay.

00:11:17And then what happened?

00:11:18So I refused to give her an apology.

00:11:20I said,

00:11:21we can move past it,

00:11:22but I'm not apologizing,

00:11:24which she got upset again

00:11:26and hung up the phone on me.

00:11:28And after that,

00:11:30she basically called a family member of mine.

00:11:34Not basically.

00:11:35Sorry.

00:11:36You say that she placed a call to a family member.

00:11:38Yes.

00:11:39Okay.

00:11:39And you can't tell me

00:11:40what that family member told you

00:11:42because that's hearsay.

00:11:44Correct.

00:11:44You understand that.

00:11:45Okay.

00:11:45So she called a family member

00:11:47and that was on September 4th.

00:11:49Yes.

00:11:50Okay.

00:11:50And a family member called you.

00:11:51The family member actually...

00:11:53Did what?

00:11:54Actually lives with me.

00:11:56So they didn't call me.

00:11:57Okay.

00:11:58Well, you can tell me the relationship.

00:11:59It's just family.

00:12:00Okay.

00:12:01Family member who lives with you and...

00:12:02So she was calling that family member,

00:12:06asking for...

00:12:07You can't tell me what any of that was about.

00:12:10Okay.

00:12:10I'm sorry.

00:12:11So after the conversation with the family member,

00:12:14the family member told me what she said.

00:12:17I know.

00:12:17I'm not saying the conversation.

00:12:18Absolutely right.

00:12:19So I told Brandon what she said

00:12:23and we thought at the time,

00:12:26let's have an intervention.

00:12:27Okay.

00:12:28Now, so without giving any credibility

00:12:30to any out-of-court statements,

00:12:33I assume by the word intervention,

00:12:35you had a suspicion that the defendant

00:12:38was using drugs or alcohol.

00:12:41Yes.

00:12:42Before that, before September 4th,

00:12:44did you have any knowledge of ongoing substance abuse

00:12:48with your best friend?

00:12:49Yes.

00:12:50Since when?

00:12:51For a very long time.

00:12:53Okay.

00:12:53Did you ever discuss the drug use with her?

00:12:55Yes.

00:12:56Well, you can tell me what those discussions were like.

00:12:58What kind of drugs were you afraid she was using?

00:13:01I prefer not to say.

00:13:02Well, you can't not say.

00:13:03That's what this is all about.

00:13:05You wanted to have an intervention.

00:13:07You didn't want to have an intervention

00:13:08because she was having caramel-covered popcorn.

00:13:10There was a controlled substance, I assume,

00:13:14that you were afraid she was using.

00:13:15Yes.

00:13:16Which was what?

00:13:17Cocaine.

00:13:17Have you ever seen her using cocaine?

00:13:20Yes.

00:13:20Did you ever use cocaine with her?

00:13:22Yes.

00:13:23Between May and September,

00:13:24had you ever used cocaine with her?

00:13:26No.

00:13:27So it was before that?

00:13:29Yes.

00:13:29His name is Brandon?

00:13:30Yes.

00:13:31Had Brandon ever used cocaine with the two of you?

00:13:34No.

00:13:35Did you ever see Brandon use cocaine?

00:13:37No.

00:13:37Okay.

00:13:37So you, who had used cocaine with her,

00:13:41decided to have an intervention with Brandon?

00:13:45Yes.

00:13:46What do you do for a living?

00:13:47I'm an inbound call agent.

00:13:49I sell tickets.

00:13:51Okay.

00:13:52And what does Brandon do?

00:13:53He's disabled.

00:13:54And who was going to be at this intervention?

00:13:56It was myself, Brandon, and another mutual friend.

00:14:00Mutual friend.

00:14:01Now, this mutual friend, whose name I will not have you state,

00:14:05have you ever seen that mutual friend use any sort of controlled substance?

00:14:10Answer the question.

00:14:11Yes.

00:14:12So now you have two people who've used controlled substance,

00:14:16one who has not, to your knowledge, doing an intervention.

00:14:19Correct.

00:14:20Okay.

00:14:21And do you know what an intervention is?

00:14:23Yes.

00:14:23What is it?

00:14:24It's basically a meeting of the minds of having a discussion with one person about an issue that...

00:14:34And who's there?

00:14:35Who's there?

00:14:35Yeah.

00:14:36Oh, I would say trusted people that I would feel that they were...

00:14:41Sarah, I want you to look up the word intervention and read me the very, very simplistic definition of an intervention.

00:14:50From the Mayo Clinic, an intervention is a carefully planned process that may be done by family and friends

00:14:56in consultation with a doctor or professional, such as a licensed alcohol and drug counselor,

00:15:02or directed by an intervention professional called an interventionalist.

00:15:05Okay.

00:15:07So what you don't have is something, I assume, this conversation occurred on September 4th.

00:15:15Correct.

00:15:15Was it on that same day that you decided to have an intervention?

00:15:19Yes.

00:15:20Okay.

00:15:20So let's start with the word well-planned, not as a result of a conversation that you have with somebody.

00:15:27And it's a well-planned event done in conjunction with very often relatives or close family who have a concern

00:15:35that something is out of control, some abusive behavior that's related to either alcohol or other controlled substances,

00:15:43in conjunction with a licensed professional where everything is...

00:15:49Everything is synchronized, but managed by a professional.

00:15:54Do you understand?

00:15:54Yes.

00:15:55This was a bad plan.

00:15:57There was no plan.

00:15:57It was a plan made because you were annoyed.

00:16:00Usually people who are involved in thinking about an intervention have nothing but love in their heart for the person who needs that intervention.

00:16:12But they have a plan.

00:16:13You didn't have a plan.

00:16:14Yes.

00:16:15You kidnapped her into your house.

00:16:17Jennifer caused emotional distress after being tricked by Jennifer.

00:16:22Okay.

00:16:23Did you look for the speaker?

00:16:24Yeah, I looked everywhere in the hallway.

00:16:26Do you have her speaker?

00:16:27There was never a speaker.

00:16:28Did you see a speaker?

00:16:29No, I didn't.

00:16:30Okay.

00:16:30There's no speaker.

00:16:31Now let's talk about your emotional situation.

00:16:34You got to this...

00:16:36I can't even call it intervention.

00:16:39Trap.

00:16:40Trap.

00:16:40That's a good word.

00:16:41There you go.

00:16:41That's a good word.

00:16:43And tell me what happened when you got there.

00:16:45When I got there, I asked a family member, her family member, to come downstairs.

00:16:49Okay.

00:16:49Ms. Moran, you walk in the door.

00:16:52Yes.

00:16:52And there's no question that you were tricked and that this was a trap.

00:16:55Yes.

00:16:56That's what it was.

00:16:57I realized that maybe one minute...

00:17:00Okay.

00:17:00That's what it was.

00:17:02Got in there and it was an uneasy feeling.

00:17:04You realized that it was a trick to get you there.

00:17:06It was a trap.

00:17:06I want you to tell me what happened when you got inside.

00:17:08Jennifer starts to walk up to me like with her arms open, real slow motion like, Cardi,

00:17:14I'm sorry.

00:17:15You know, we should talk about this.

00:17:17We're friends.

00:17:18In that same tone.

00:17:20And I'm like, yo, really?

00:17:21This...

00:17:22You're being fake.

00:17:23I don't really want this.

00:17:25You know, I came here to get what I wanted and let's go.

00:17:28But Brandon is getting all comfortable.

00:17:30He is disabled.

00:17:31So, you know, all right, fine.

00:17:33He's got to get comfortable.

00:17:34So...

00:17:35We start arguing.

00:17:38Me and Jennifer, we start arguing.

00:17:39About what?

00:17:40About the conversation that me and her had earlier.

00:17:42You know, she said that I should just get over what she said initially from me getting upset.

00:17:48Okay, so the initial conversation didn't have anything to do with drugs?

00:17:51We never talked about drugs.

00:17:53When I got to the house, we never...

00:17:55Me and...

00:17:55I never had anything to do with them.

00:17:57I was talking to the family member, what I came to get.

00:18:00But once me and her start arguing, I tell Brandon, like, all right, can we go now?

00:18:04Like, are we done here?

00:18:05Like, let's leave.

00:18:06I want to go.

00:18:07So what happened?

00:18:08When you said to Brandon, let's go, I want to get out of here, what happened?

00:18:13She squirts me with a water gun.

00:18:14She tells me, oh, I'm going to start...

00:18:16I'm going to squirt you like I squirt the dogs.

00:18:18Brandon, stand up.

00:18:19Your last name is?

00:18:21Milner.

00:18:23I want you to describe this water gun.

00:18:25To be honest, Judge, I don't remember seeing a water gun.

00:18:28It's in the video.

00:18:29If you listen to the video, she says it.

00:18:32I'm going to squirt you like I squirt the dogs.

00:18:33Brandon, before I look at this again, you were there in the room.

00:18:37Yes.

00:18:38I'm going to give you one before I look at the video again.

00:18:41Whether you saw her squirt the water gun or not, did you see a water gun?

00:18:46No, I didn't.

00:18:47No.

00:18:47Okay.

00:18:48So let's play this and let me hear what you're referring to.

00:18:51I'm going to squirt you like I squirt the dog.

00:18:54I mean, you cannot.

00:18:56I said...

00:18:58Judge, are you serious?

00:19:01Okay.

00:19:02Sarah, you have a much more keen sense of hearing than I do.

00:19:05I'm going to squirt you like I squirt that dog.

00:19:09Okay.

00:19:10She's got younger ears than I do.

00:19:12What?

00:19:12I never squirted her with the water gun.

00:19:15Whether you did or not, are you telling me that Sarah heard...

00:19:17No, I said it.

00:19:18...that Sarah heard...

00:19:18Okay, so you did squirt.

00:19:20But I didn't squirt her.

00:19:21I'm going to squirt you like I squirt the dog.

00:19:24Okay.

00:19:25That's not an intervention.

00:19:27We were arguing at that point.

00:19:28It was already past the conversation intervention.

00:19:30That's because you did the wrong thing.

00:19:35Yeah, it was a horrible plan.

00:19:37It was horrible.

00:19:38Oh, yeah, they're absolutely right.

00:19:40And it caused a great deal of distress.

00:19:42I want to know how you got out of the apartment.

00:19:44I was kicked out.

00:19:45I was pushed out.

00:19:46I was...

00:19:46My things were thrown into the hallway.

00:19:48At what point did that happen?

00:19:50Is that after...

00:19:50Literally three seconds after...

00:19:52After the TV was broken?

00:19:55Yes.

00:19:55You were pushed out the door?

00:19:56Yes.

00:19:57Well, that's some really good intervention.

00:19:59How long were you in the house?

00:20:00A total six minutes, maybe.

00:20:02Where did you go from there?

00:20:03I got picked up and went home.

00:20:05Got picked up by home?

00:20:06Two hours later by my sister-in-law.

00:20:09Don't make anything up?

00:20:10No.

00:20:10Who picked you up?

00:20:11My sister-in-law.

00:20:12Okay.

00:20:13And my daughter and her boyfriend.

00:20:14In that two-hour period...

00:20:16Yes.

00:20:16...you must have waited somewhere for that.

00:20:18Yes.

00:20:19I waited in her hallway.

00:20:20Okay.

00:20:21So you waited...

00:20:21When they came to pick you up,

00:20:23was there any further conversation with her or Brandon?

00:20:27They just picked you up?

00:20:28Well, between those two hours,

00:20:30there was conversations between my daughter and Brandon,

00:20:33my daughter and Jennifer.

00:20:34Everyone was talking to...

00:20:35Well, where was your daughter?

00:20:36She was home.

00:20:37So it was on the phone that they were talking?

00:20:39Yes.

00:20:40And she was pleading with them to give me my stuff back

00:20:43so I could just leave.

00:20:44The cross-complaint,

00:20:46or the countersuit, is seeking $1,800.

00:20:48It's seeking $1,800,

00:20:50not only for the emotional distress

00:20:52that was caused to the defendant,

00:20:54but also for a speaker.

00:20:56They don't have a speaker.

00:20:57How much was the speaker so that I can deduct that?

00:21:01It was $129.

00:21:02Okay.

00:21:02So we're really talking about $1,700.

00:21:05Okay.

00:21:05And that's the amount that you want

00:21:07for your emotional distress.

00:21:09Yes, Your Honor.

00:21:10For that six minutes.

00:21:11I don't blame you.

00:21:12I think it's worth at least that.

00:21:14I think that when amateurs decide

00:21:16for all the wrong reasons to do an intervention,

00:21:19any negative consequence that flows from that,

00:21:22you just have to accept.

00:21:24But that's reason for her to break my staff?

00:21:27Absolutely.

00:21:27It would have been reason to her

00:21:28to break everything in your apartment to get out.

00:21:31Absolutely.

00:21:32You are holding her there.

00:21:33I didn't hold her?

00:21:34Yes, just a second.

00:21:35You brought her there under false pretenses.

00:21:39That's what you did.

00:21:40And you had somebody else there as well.

00:21:42And according to you,

00:21:44you wrote it was an intervention.

00:21:46But it wasn't an intervention.

00:21:47It was whether you wanted to...

00:21:49For a 20-year relationship,

00:21:52intervention may be a wrong word,

00:21:54but it was supposed to be a conversation.

00:21:54Well, it was a very, very wrong word,

00:21:57and you don't trick somebody to come to your house

00:21:59with something else in mind,

00:22:01even if it's to buy drugs.

00:22:02So I'm awarding you $1,700 on the counterclaim

00:22:05for your emotional distress.

00:22:06Your claim for the broken TV is dismissed.

00:22:09We're done.

00:22:10This court is adjourned.

00:22:12I have no thoughts.

00:22:13I'm happy with her decision,

00:22:15but it's bittersweet because these are my friends.

00:22:18Just have a conversation about

00:22:19certain situations we were having.

00:22:22Her intention,

00:22:23I don't think it was to make me stop

00:22:25doing what they all do anyway.

00:22:27I didn't keep her.

00:22:28That's the thing.

00:22:29She walked in freely, walked out.

00:22:32That's the betrayal.

00:22:33Yeah, this is over.

00:22:34It's just time to go separate ways.

00:22:35I lived and I learned

00:22:37those are the people that I grew up with.

00:22:39Those turn-up days are over anyway.

00:22:41I think this whole situation

00:22:43was a perfect example

00:22:45of what my dad calls

00:22:46lack of two-step thinking.

00:22:49So we can already agree

00:22:51the intentions were not great.

00:22:52They were just maybe

00:22:53potentially rekindling a friendship

00:22:55and that's not exactly the person

00:22:57you want leading your intervention

00:22:59if that's what they wanted to call it.

00:23:00And also, what was your plan?

00:23:02If it went the way that the plaintiff

00:23:04at least claims she was intending it

00:23:06was to get her friend help,

00:23:07say that the defendant broke down

00:23:09and cried and admitted to having a problem

00:23:10and really wanting help.

00:23:12Where was the help?

00:23:13There was no help.

00:23:13That's true.

00:23:14So I agreed with you

00:23:15that she, the plaintiff,

00:23:17deserved any amount of damage

00:23:19that happened from having

00:23:20such a lack of a plan.

00:23:22Lego versus McCurchin.

00:23:23You're welcome.

00:23:24You run a school?

00:23:26Yes, ma'am.

00:23:27It's a program.

00:23:28Is it a school or a program?

00:23:30It's a program.

00:23:30What's the difference?

00:23:32The program is not a school

00:23:34where the children come every day.

00:23:36They come twice a week.

00:23:37Parents...

00:23:38They come twice a week online?

00:23:40No.

00:23:40In person?

00:23:41In person, yes.

00:23:42Okay, so twice a week

00:23:43they are there

00:23:44at a brick-and-mortar place.

00:23:45Yes.

00:23:46And how long have you had this program?

00:23:49We actually started this program

00:23:51during the lockdown in 2020 spring.

00:23:53So this is at the end

00:23:54of our first semester

00:23:55of our third year.

00:23:56Okay, and tell me

00:23:57who runs the program?

00:23:59I do.

00:23:59You have an educational background?

00:24:01I do.

00:24:02I have a master's in education.

00:24:03Does anybody run

00:24:04the program with you?

00:24:05I have a staff,

00:24:06but I'm the sole director.

00:24:07Is this an annual program?

00:24:09We do operate

00:24:10on a semesterly basis

00:24:12as far as payments,

00:24:13but the classes just roll over

00:24:15from first semester

00:24:16to second semester.

00:24:17And is there a contract?

00:24:18Yes.

00:24:19Okay, and you're going

00:24:20to show me the contract

00:24:21that the defendant signed

00:24:23on behalf of his son?

00:24:24Yes.

00:24:24Because that's what

00:24:25this case is about?

00:24:26Yes.

00:24:27The only interesting part

00:24:28of the case is

00:24:28your son was enrolled

00:24:30in the program.

00:24:30He was terminated

00:24:31from the program

00:24:32for, let's say, misconduct.

00:24:34That's true.

00:24:35And it was misconduct

00:24:36that was replicated

00:24:38in violation of the rules

00:24:40at least three times.

00:24:41Kind of?

00:24:42Not kind of.

00:24:43At least three times

00:24:44that you acknowledge.

00:24:45Okay.

00:24:46That's not an okay.

00:24:47That's not an okay.

00:24:48That's either a yes or a no.

00:24:50I mean, I read about

00:24:50three instances of cheating.

00:24:53You acknowledge that

00:24:54in your answer.

00:24:55Well, it's different.

00:24:56It's different.

00:24:57You mean he cheated differently?

00:24:58No, he didn't

00:24:59cheat differently.

00:24:59Well, that's what...

00:25:00I mean, I can explain.

00:25:02It was explained

00:25:03in the papers.

00:25:04Okay.

00:25:04And you weren't there,

00:25:05so you can't explain.

00:25:07But you acknowledge

00:25:07the fact that he cheated.

00:25:09He was given a warning.

00:25:11You were advised.

00:25:12He cheated again.

00:25:13You were given a warning.

00:25:14And he was allowed

00:25:14to continue.

00:25:15On the third such event,

00:25:18the school terminated him.

00:25:19Is that what I read?

00:25:20Yes, ma'am.

00:25:21And that's what you acknowledge

00:25:22in your papers?

00:25:23Yes.

00:25:24Yes, ma'am.

00:25:24Okay, well, that's a yes.

00:25:25And he was within a semester.

00:25:28You would pay the tuition

00:25:30and then try to reverse

00:25:32the payment

00:25:32because you paid

00:25:33on a credit card.

00:25:34Yes, I paid

00:25:35with credit card, yes.

00:25:36Okay, and then

00:25:37when you got the bill,

00:25:38you challenged that payment,

00:25:41which you had,

00:25:42in fact, received.

00:25:43And whatever you told

00:25:45the credit card company

00:25:46as a result of what

00:25:47you told them,

00:25:48the payment was reversed

00:25:50and taken off

00:25:51your credit card.

00:25:53That is correct.

00:25:53Right.

00:25:54And so they are here

00:25:56now seeking

00:25:57that tuition payment

00:25:59from a court.

00:26:00That's why we're here,

00:26:01to see whether contractually,

00:26:03because this is a breach

00:26:03of contract action,

00:26:05you were obligated

00:26:06to pay the tuition

00:26:07even though your son

00:26:09was not in the program

00:26:10because he was dismissed

00:26:12for cause,

00:26:13which you acknowledge.

00:26:15Are we clear

00:26:16on where we are?

00:26:17Yes, ma'am.

00:26:18Yes, ma'am.

00:26:18Good.

00:26:19So now I'm going

00:26:20to look at the contract.

00:26:21I'd like to add

00:26:24that...

00:26:25Just let me look

00:26:26at the contract first.

00:26:29If you see contract,

00:26:31they're signed

00:26:31by my party.

00:26:33I want to see it too

00:26:33because I don't see my name.

00:26:34I sign a contract.

00:26:36That's a statement probably

00:26:37or it's a...

00:26:38It's a payment agreement.

00:26:39Yes.

00:26:40That's not a contract.

00:26:41Yeah, payment agreement

00:26:42is a contract, sir.

00:26:43But signed by me?

00:26:44Well, it says signed

00:26:45Irina and Jack.

00:26:47Okay.

00:26:47Is Irina your wife?

00:26:48That's correct, yeah.

00:26:49Okay.

00:26:51So this says,

00:26:52I understand

00:26:53that payments are due

00:26:54even if classes

00:26:55or memberships

00:26:56are dropped

00:26:57subject to the

00:26:58refund policy.

00:27:00Well, what's the

00:27:01refund policy

00:27:01and where is that

00:27:02in writing?

00:27:03It is on our website

00:27:04and they've signed it.

00:27:05It was a form

00:27:06that they had to sign.

00:27:07Well, I'd like to see

00:27:08the form that they signed

00:27:09because I have to see

00:27:10what the terms are of that.

00:27:11These are the terms

00:27:13of the refund.

00:27:20That's a screenshot

00:27:21of our website.

00:27:22The website is

00:27:23unimportant to me.

00:27:25You say you have

00:27:26an agreement

00:27:26signed by them.

00:27:27I'd like to see it.

00:27:28Well, the agreement

00:27:29that we have signed

00:27:30was the installment agreement,

00:27:31so I'm sorry.

00:27:32Well, I only have

00:27:33one payment agreement.

00:27:36What I said I want to see

00:27:37is a refund policy.

00:27:39You said you have that

00:27:40that they signed.

00:27:41They don't sign

00:27:42the policy.

00:27:43They signed the agreement.

00:27:45The policy is

00:27:45a written policy.

00:27:47Well, I would like

00:27:48to see the written policy.

00:27:49That's what we have

00:27:50on our website

00:27:50and it's clearly...

00:27:51No.

00:27:52No? Okay.

00:27:53No.

00:27:54What you have to do

00:27:55is you have to

00:27:56incorporate something

00:27:57by agreement

00:27:59in this contract

00:28:00if you say

00:28:00the refund policy

00:28:02as outlined

00:28:03in the website

00:28:04because other than that

00:28:06it's meaningless.

00:28:07Okay.

00:28:07You know,

00:28:08you're saying

00:28:08we have a refund policy

00:28:10and we assume

00:28:11that you looked

00:28:12on the website

00:28:12to see what the policy is.

00:28:14We also do go over it

00:28:16in parent meetings

00:28:17with the parents.

00:28:18That you can't do

00:28:20because you have

00:28:21a written agreement.

00:28:22Right.

00:28:22And anything

00:28:23that's outside

00:28:24of that agreement

00:28:25unless it's referenced

00:28:27in the agreement

00:28:28is inadmissible

00:28:30because the intention

00:28:31of it

00:28:32is to somehow

00:28:33change or modify

00:28:34the terms

00:28:35of your written contract.

00:28:36Okay.

00:28:37So in what month

00:28:39did the defendant's son

00:28:41start the program?

00:28:42In August of 2021.

00:28:44And it runs

00:28:44in two semesters.

00:28:45And when was he terminated?

00:28:47He was terminated

00:28:47in February of 2022.

00:28:50You were in a semester program?

00:28:52Yes.

00:28:52So am I correct

00:28:54that the first two episodes

00:28:56of cheating

00:28:57were in the first semester?

00:28:59Yes.

00:28:59When?

00:29:00The first one

00:29:01was early in November.

00:29:02It happened to be

00:29:03the third week

00:29:04of our second semester.

00:29:05The next one

00:29:06was a couple weeks later

00:29:08in the same month

00:29:09of November.

00:29:10Okay.

00:29:11So the semester

00:29:11had started?

00:29:12Mm-hmm.

00:29:13Uh-huh.

00:29:14Second semester.

00:29:14Yes.

00:29:14And on what day

00:29:15in February

00:29:16was he terminated?

00:29:17He was terminated

00:29:18on February 24th,

00:29:21I believe.

00:29:22Yes.

00:29:23And when you terminated,

00:29:24the defendant,

00:29:25I assume,

00:29:26paid the entire

00:29:27semester's tuition

00:29:28for the second semester.

00:29:30The second semester

00:29:31he signed

00:29:32the installment agreement,

00:29:33which is what

00:29:34you have there.

00:29:34This is a payment agreement.

00:29:36Right.

00:29:36That's it.

00:29:37We agree

00:29:38to pay an installment.

00:29:40No.

00:29:40It says,

00:29:41I agree to pay

00:29:42all charges

00:29:43by due dates

00:29:44according to the payment plan.

00:29:45I don't have

00:29:46a signed payment plan

00:29:47from anybody.

00:29:50Do you have one?

00:29:51I'm sorry.

00:29:51That's what we use

00:29:52for our signed payment plan.

00:29:54Well, you should use

00:29:54something different.

00:29:56This is not a payment plan.

00:29:57This says he will pay

00:29:58according to a payment plan.

00:30:00I'm looking for

00:30:00the payment plan.

00:30:02You pay by the month,

00:30:03you pay by the semester.

00:30:06How do you pay?

00:30:06It's a semesterly fee

00:30:08that's broken

00:30:08into four payments,

00:30:10so they don't have

00:30:10to pay it all up front.

00:30:12Okay.

00:30:12They can choose to.

00:30:13And so when was

00:30:15the defendant's

00:30:16last payment?

00:30:17They paid

00:30:18through the semester.

00:30:19Through what semester?

00:30:21Second semester.

00:30:21Okay.

00:30:22So they paid in full?

00:30:23Through the installment.

00:30:25So what happens is

00:30:26they agree

00:30:26to be automatically billed.

00:30:28And so every month

00:30:29a certain amount

00:30:31comes out.

00:30:32Just a second.

00:30:32So what you're saying

00:30:34is when they sign up,

00:30:36they give you authority

00:30:37to pull out

00:30:38from their bank

00:30:39whatever the tuition

00:30:41is for that month.

00:30:42Right.

00:30:43Okay.

00:30:44And according

00:30:44to your records,

00:30:46when was the last payment

00:30:47that you received

00:30:49for the defendant's son

00:30:50prior to terminating him?

00:30:52Prior to terminating him,

00:30:54we received a payment

00:30:55in February.

00:30:56And you terminated him

00:30:57on February 24th.

00:30:59Yes.

00:30:59How much

00:31:00was that payment?

00:31:01It was,

00:31:03have it right here.

00:31:07You know what?

00:31:08I don't know.

00:31:09$350 every month.

00:31:11It was $300.

00:31:12That's right.

00:31:13$350.

00:31:14I know.

00:31:15I got charged

00:31:16the extra month

00:31:16so I knew the number.

00:31:18Okay.

00:31:18So it was $350

00:31:20that you paid

00:31:21the beginning of February

00:31:22and he was there

00:31:23in February.

00:31:24That is correct.

00:31:25Okay.

00:31:25In what month

00:31:26did you dispute

00:31:27the charge?

00:31:29Well, I...

00:31:29No, no, not well.

00:31:30I said in what month?

00:31:32May.

00:31:33I only realized

00:31:34in May she's been charging.

00:31:36Just a second.

00:31:39He was plagiarized

00:31:41by teachers.

00:31:42He was plagiarized

00:31:43by teachers?

00:31:44He was given notice

00:31:45because he lied

00:31:46on a test by teachers.

00:31:47May payment.

00:31:48Is the May payment

00:31:49the payment

00:31:50that you canceled?

00:31:51No.

00:31:52On May,

00:31:53I also paid

00:31:53for a May payment.

00:31:55Looking at my statements,

00:31:56I said,

00:31:57why are we paying

00:31:58for the child?

00:31:59He doesn't go

00:31:59to school anymore.

00:32:01And that's what

00:32:02I called them.

00:32:04And then I called

00:32:05my credit card company,

00:32:06explained to him

00:32:06what happened.

00:32:07They said,

00:32:08we are going to

00:32:09charge the money

00:32:10back to your account.

00:32:11And that's when

00:32:12I kind of

00:32:14looked through paperwork

00:32:15and I'm an immigrant

00:32:17to this country.

00:32:18I don't read really well.

00:32:20I can't speak.

00:32:21And my son,

00:32:22he's a young guy

00:32:23and he knows

00:32:24exactly what it is

00:32:25and that's what

00:32:25I brought him.

00:32:26I said,

00:32:26can you see

00:32:27do we owe

00:32:27these people money?

00:32:29And if you guys

00:32:29allow it,

00:32:30I can have Alex

00:32:31to explain

00:32:32what here shows.

00:32:33Just see it.

00:32:34He doesn't have

00:32:35to explain anything

00:32:36to me.

00:32:36Okay.

00:32:37I'm not new

00:32:37to the country

00:32:38and I was legally trained.

00:32:41So I don't need

00:32:41your son.

00:32:43I assume you're

00:32:43not legally trained

00:32:44to interpret something,

00:32:47a piece of paper.

00:32:48So now I will look

00:32:49at the piece of paper

00:32:50that you're relying on.

00:32:51But I want to tell

00:32:52you this, sir.

00:32:55I pay the tuition

00:32:56for a lot of people.

00:32:57A lot.

00:32:58Because I have

00:32:5913 grandchildren.

00:33:01Okay.

00:33:02In school.

00:33:03Okay.

00:33:03I'll take that, Kevin.

00:33:05I'm sorry.

00:33:06I know that if

00:33:08one of my kids

00:33:09or grandkids

00:33:10goes to school

00:33:11and gets expelled

00:33:13and I pay the tuition

00:33:15because I'm not

00:33:16on a payment plan,

00:33:17parents send

00:33:18the bill directly.

00:33:21And so I pay

00:33:22the tuition.

00:33:23But I know

00:33:24if one of the kids

00:33:26in November,

00:33:28once I pay

00:33:28the tuition,

00:33:29gets caught

00:33:30cheating on a test

00:33:32or plagiarizing

00:33:34a paper

00:33:34and he or she

00:33:35is dismissed

00:33:36from the school,

00:33:37they're not going

00:33:38to give me

00:33:38my tuition back

00:33:39even though

00:33:40he's not in school.

00:33:41I'm not going

00:33:42to get the tuition

00:33:42back for that semester.

00:33:44That's true.

00:33:45That's what I'm

00:33:45telling you.

00:33:46I know that.

00:33:47So now I'm going

00:33:48to see what

00:33:49you want me to read

00:33:50that suggests

00:33:51that in this case,

00:33:52even though your son

00:33:54was terminated

00:33:55for cause

00:33:56from the school

00:33:56for cheating.

00:33:57Dismissal versus

00:33:58termination is different.

00:34:00No, no, no.

00:34:00It's not different

00:34:01at all.

00:34:02It's this exact

00:34:03same thing.

00:34:04Dismissed,

00:34:04terminated,

00:34:05expelled,

00:34:06all the same thing.

00:34:07If you look them up

00:34:08under synonyms

00:34:09for each other

00:34:10in the dictionary,

00:34:11you will find

00:34:12they're all the same.

00:34:13He was excised

00:34:15from the school

00:34:16because he cheated

00:34:18despite multiple warnings.

00:34:21So he was expelled

00:34:22from cause.

00:34:23I just want you

00:34:24to understand that.

00:34:25Did you go to college?

00:34:26Currently enrolled.

00:34:27Currently.

00:34:28Stand up.

00:34:29You look like

00:34:29a nice young man.

00:34:30Where do you go to school?

00:34:31Cal Poly Pomona.

00:34:32And who pays

00:34:33the tuition?

00:34:35I do.

00:34:36Now, what's

00:34:36your first name?

00:34:37Alex.

00:34:38Now, Alex,

00:34:38you do know

00:34:39that if you got

00:34:41expelled from college

00:34:42for cheating

00:34:43in the middle

00:34:44of a semester,

00:34:45you wouldn't get

00:34:46your tuition back

00:34:47for that semester.

00:34:48You do know that.

00:34:49Correct.

00:34:49Okay.

00:34:50That's all I want to know.

00:34:51Well, that's what

00:34:51we're dealing with here.

00:34:52Could I add something?

00:34:53Sure.

00:34:53Well, according

00:34:54to their honesty policy,

00:34:55they made a clear difference

00:34:57between dismissal

00:34:58and expulsion.

00:34:59I'm going to look at it.

00:35:00Okay?

00:35:01Okay.

00:35:01Okay, so

00:35:08what you gave me

00:35:10now acknowledges

00:35:12that you received

00:35:14the refund policy.

00:35:16Thank you very much

00:35:17because she wasn't able

00:35:17to prove that she gave it to you,

00:35:19but now you gave it to me

00:35:20so I know you were given

00:35:22the refund policy

00:35:23when you enrolled

00:35:24your son in school.

00:35:26So we weren't given,

00:35:27but it's something

00:35:27they have it on their website

00:35:29for you to assign.

00:35:29Just a second.

00:35:30Well, then you look,

00:35:30you don't have to sign.

00:35:31Then you looked at the website.

00:35:33You gave me this.

00:35:34Do you understand?

00:35:35That's what I mean legally.

00:35:36I went and tried to understand

00:35:38what happened.

00:35:38Well, you should have

00:35:39done it before.

00:35:39You were perfectly capable

00:35:41of doing it before.

00:35:42When I signed a contract,

00:35:43I signed and I explained everything.

00:35:45You just told me

00:35:46five minutes ago

00:35:46that you didn't sign

00:35:47any contract.

00:35:48Well, now you acknowledge

00:35:49that you signed the contract.

00:35:51I'm just reading this

00:35:51that you gave me.

00:35:52A contract has to be

00:35:53a complete contract.

00:35:55Just a second.

00:35:56For somebody who's,

00:35:57you know,

00:35:58not here,

00:35:58not from this country

00:35:59and doesn't understand things.

00:36:01You seem to understand

00:36:02things very well.

00:36:03I know the contract

00:36:04has to be completed.

00:36:05Well, that's very good.

00:36:07A lot of people

00:36:07don't know that.

00:36:08So if I give a contract

00:36:09for a statement,

00:36:11then I say,

00:36:11oh, go in my website

00:36:12to read about

00:36:13our refund policy.

00:36:14That's not part of the contract.

00:36:16That's the rules, no?

00:36:17I didn't sign refund policy.

00:36:19You don't have to sign

00:36:20a refund policy.

00:36:21You just have to be aware of it.

00:36:22If I don't know

00:36:23how to get into website

00:36:24or don't...

00:36:25You gave me the evidence, sir.

00:36:26But this was done

00:36:27after everything done.

00:36:28I'm not sure.

00:36:29I looked into it.

00:36:30You were certainly aware

00:36:31of how to do it

00:36:32either before or after.

00:36:34When I sign contract

00:36:35with someone,

00:36:35I disclose everything

00:36:37and the initial

00:36:38and they get copies.

00:36:39I get copies

00:36:39and that's a legal

00:36:40bonding contract.

00:36:41Good.

00:36:42But law school

00:36:42did you go to?

00:36:43None.

00:36:44Well,

00:36:45there are two things here.

00:36:47But the final piece here

00:36:50says the consequence

00:36:51for academic dishonesty

00:36:54or plagiarism

00:36:55is a score of zero

00:36:57on the assignment

00:36:58and possibly dismissal

00:37:00from the class.

00:37:01Okay.

00:37:02So your son did that

00:37:03in the first semester

00:37:04at least twice.

00:37:06Repeated dishonesty

00:37:08can result in suspension

00:37:09or expulsion.

00:37:11Now,

00:37:12now you can stand up

00:37:13because your father says

00:37:14he doesn't understand everything.

00:37:15I think he understands

00:37:16everything just fine.

00:37:17But in case he wants

00:37:18to have you there.

00:37:19Now,

00:37:20when you were discussing

00:37:21this with your father,

00:37:23did you have any conversation

00:37:24with him that suggested

00:37:25to him that,

00:37:27you know,

00:37:27if I went to college

00:37:28and I cheated three times

00:37:29or four times

00:37:30and plagiarized a paper

00:37:31and I was kicked out of school,

00:37:33I wouldn't get my tuition back.

00:37:35Did you tell him that?

00:37:37No,

00:37:37we had similar talks,

00:37:40but no,

00:37:41nothing on the school.

00:37:43We talked about,

00:37:43for instance,

00:37:44the signing contract

00:37:45for, let's say,

00:37:45a one-year lease agreement

00:37:46to live somewhere,

00:37:47but if you breach

00:37:49the contract

00:37:49and they decide

00:37:50to kick you out,

00:37:51it's the same thing

00:37:52as an expulsion.

00:37:53You're not required

00:37:53to finish the one-year contract

00:37:55with them.

00:37:55You don't have to continue paying.

00:37:56If they decide to...

00:37:57What are you kidding?

00:37:58I am not.

00:37:59If you get evicted

00:38:00from a property,

00:38:00do you have to continue

00:38:01paying the entire year's lease?

00:38:03A lease?

00:38:03Yeah.

00:38:04If you breach...

00:38:05If you breach a lease,

00:38:07he or she can evict you

00:38:08and, yes,

00:38:09you will be responsible

00:38:10for the remainder

00:38:11of the lease.

00:38:12Oh,

00:38:12I wasn't aware of that.

00:38:13Yes,

00:38:14you will be responsible

00:38:15for the remainder

00:38:16of the lease.

00:38:16You have to understand

00:38:17and your father

00:38:18has to understand

00:38:19the reason

00:38:19that he was expelled

00:38:21is his fault

00:38:22and the reason

00:38:23he was expelled

00:38:24had nothing to do

00:38:26with them.

00:38:26It had to do

00:38:27with your father

00:38:29because you were

00:38:30put on notice

00:38:31that he was

00:38:32plagiarizing

00:38:33and cheating

00:38:35on tests.

00:38:39If what you're

00:38:40suggesting is

00:38:41the three times

00:38:42that your son

00:38:43was caught cheating

00:38:44were the only times...

00:38:45Yes.

00:38:46And you dated

00:38:46in college.

00:38:47Yes.

00:38:48That was more

00:38:49than 30 years ago.

00:38:50Yes.

00:38:50And according

00:38:51to Mr. Kelly,

00:38:52you broke up

00:38:53with him in college.

00:38:55And what year

00:38:55was that?

00:38:56Oh,

00:38:57gosh.

00:38:58That was what?

00:38:58Do you remember?

00:38:5992, I believe,

00:39:00Your Honor.

00:39:01And then somehow

00:39:02you reconnected.

00:39:03I assume you both

00:39:04had lives

00:39:05in between 1992

00:39:07and 2022.

00:39:09When did you reconnect?

00:39:10In April of 2021.

00:39:13How?

00:39:14Well,

00:39:14he was looking for me,

00:39:16so...

00:39:17He was looking for you?

00:39:18He emailed

00:39:19my best friend.

00:39:21He emailed

00:39:21her business

00:39:22and asked her,

00:39:23well,

00:39:24gave her his number

00:39:25and asked that

00:39:26I call him.

00:39:26So far correct?

00:39:28Yes,

00:39:28Your Honor.

00:39:28So you were interested

00:39:29in seeing her again.

00:39:30In that 30-year period,

00:39:32did either of you

00:39:33have other people

00:39:34in your lives,

00:39:34have children,

00:39:35marry?

00:39:36Yes.

00:39:37You did?

00:39:37Yes.

00:39:38Okay,

00:39:39how long were you married?

00:39:40I was married

00:39:41for 10 years.

00:39:42Have any kids?

00:39:42Yes,

00:39:43two kids.

00:39:44And you, sir?

00:39:4511 years.

00:39:46Have any children?

00:39:47One child, yes.

00:39:48Both divorced?

00:39:49Yes.

00:39:50Okay,

00:39:50that could have made

00:39:51an interesting love story,

00:39:52but it didn't happen.

00:39:54Okay,

00:39:54so you wanted

00:39:55to reconnect with her.

00:39:56You got in touch

00:39:57with a friend of hers

00:39:58through a business number

00:39:59and you called him?

00:40:01Yes,

00:40:01I did.

00:40:02And that was

00:40:02in April of 2021?

00:40:04Yes.

00:40:04Where did you live

00:40:05at the time?

00:40:06Detroit,

00:40:06Michigan.

00:40:07And you,

00:40:08sir?

00:40:08Colton,

00:40:09California.

00:40:09When was the first time

00:40:10you actually saw each other?

00:40:12April of 2021.

00:40:14You live in Michigan?

00:40:16Yes.

00:40:16But you have a child

00:40:17who lives in California?

00:40:18I do.

00:40:19How old is that child?

00:40:2021.

00:40:21Male or female?

00:40:22Male.

00:40:22And where does he live now?

00:40:24With his dad.

00:40:25When you come down

00:40:26to see him,

00:40:26where do you stay?

00:40:27In the past,

00:40:28sometimes I would stay

00:40:29with his dad

00:40:30and sometimes I would

00:40:31stay in a hotel.

00:40:32So when you visited him,

00:40:33you either stayed

00:40:34with his father

00:40:34or your ex-husband?

00:40:36Yes.

00:40:37Or stayed in a hotel?

00:40:38Yes.

00:40:38Depending upon

00:40:39the circumstance.

00:40:40Most of the time

00:40:41did you stay

00:40:41at the house

00:40:42with his father

00:40:43or most of the time

00:40:44in a hotel?

00:40:45Most of the time

00:40:46in the past,

00:40:47I stayed in the house

00:40:48with his father.

00:40:49And is this

00:40:50his father's

00:40:50only child as well?

00:40:51We have two children.

00:40:52Two children?

00:40:53Mm-hmm.

00:40:54Where's the other child?

00:40:55She's in Chicago, Illinois.

00:40:57How old is she?

00:40:5826.

00:40:59So you see her

00:41:00less frequently

00:41:01than you see your son?

00:41:02I probably see them

00:41:03about the same.

00:41:05Do you go to visit

00:41:06her in Chicago?

00:41:06Yes.

00:41:07And you go to visit

00:41:08your son in California?

00:41:08Yes.

00:41:09Okay.

00:41:09So what I'm gathering

00:41:11happened is

00:41:12you saw each other

00:41:13for a while,

00:41:14you thought it was

00:41:14an exclusive relationship,

00:41:16you did not?

00:41:17At first,

00:41:17yes I did,

00:41:18Your Honor.

00:41:18And then what happened?

00:41:19The last time I saw her

00:41:20was in Detroit

00:41:21and when I returned

00:41:23from Detroit,

00:41:24the girl that I was seeing

00:41:26at the time

00:41:26had disappeared.

00:41:27You mean the girl

00:41:28that you were seeing

00:41:28prior to seeing her?

00:41:29Right, exactly.

00:41:30And I thought

00:41:31the relationship was over.

00:41:33She went deep

00:41:33into Mexico

00:41:34and I hadn't heard

00:41:36from her.

00:41:36She had to go

00:41:37for some family business

00:41:38and then she resurfaced

00:41:40once I came back.

00:41:42And once you came back

00:41:43from California

00:41:43on your last trip?

00:41:45Once I came back

00:41:45from Detroit.

00:41:46From Detroit.

00:41:47Spending time with her.

00:41:48To California.

00:41:49And so we started

00:41:50talking again

00:41:51and I didn't get

00:41:53in contact with her.

00:41:54She was trying

00:41:54to contact me

00:41:55and so I let her.

00:41:56So you stopped

00:41:56answering her calls?

00:41:58No, not really.

00:41:59I called her

00:41:59and I let her know

00:42:01that, you know,

00:42:02the girl resurfaced

00:42:03and that I didn't think

00:42:05it was going to be able

00:42:06to work out

00:42:06between me and her

00:42:07and that's when

00:42:08the problem came along.

00:42:10The problems

00:42:10with regard to money?

00:42:12Yes.

00:42:12Okay.

00:42:13So this is what

00:42:14your lawsuit is about.

00:42:15So you broke up

00:42:16with her and at that time,

00:42:18according to you,

00:42:19you had unpaid advances

00:42:21to him for an airline ticket

00:42:23and car repairs

00:42:25and some small amount

00:42:27of money for a new grandchild

00:42:28that he had,

00:42:29some baby items.

00:42:30So let's start

00:42:31with the plane ticket.

00:42:32When was the plane ticket?

00:42:33The plane ticket

00:42:34was purchased in May.

00:42:35It was to go

00:42:36and see him

00:42:37for his birthday.

00:42:38Okay.

00:42:38Was this the only time

00:42:39that there was

00:42:41an airfare issue?

00:42:42Who paid for the airfare?

00:42:43Because he would drive

00:42:44most of the time.

00:42:45He drove one time.

00:42:47I flew

00:42:47and this was the only time

00:42:49that he said

00:42:49he would pay for the ticket.

00:42:51I paid the other time.

00:42:53Okay.

00:42:53Well, tell me

00:42:53about his discussion

00:42:55with you

00:42:56of paying for this ticket.

00:42:57Sure.

00:42:58So he wanted me

00:42:59to come for his birthday.

00:43:00When is your birthday?

00:43:01June, Your Honor.

00:43:03And I told him

00:43:04that I was looking

00:43:05for tickets.

00:43:06He said,

00:43:07I want you to come

00:43:07for my birthday.

00:43:09Yes.

00:43:09Now tell me what he said.

00:43:10He said...

00:43:11Tell me what he said.

00:43:13No, don't look over there.

00:43:14Look over here.

00:43:15He said,

00:43:15I'm going to fly

00:43:16my boo thang out.

00:43:17Okay.

00:43:18And?

00:43:19And later,

00:43:20I looked for tickets

00:43:22and he said,

00:43:23oh, I was going

00:43:24to give you $500.

00:43:25Okay.

00:43:26And you purchased

00:43:27the ticket

00:43:27and that was

00:43:28in May of what year?

00:43:30That was in May

00:43:31of 2021.

00:43:32We agreed

00:43:33that I would put

00:43:33the ticket

00:43:34on my credit card.

00:43:35And when you got

00:43:36to his home

00:43:38in California,

00:43:38did he give you

00:43:39the $500?

00:43:40He did not

00:43:41give me the $500.

00:43:42When did you ask

00:43:44him for it again?

00:43:45I didn't ask him

00:43:46for it while I was there.

00:43:47And then?

00:43:48And then,

00:43:49when I was back home,

00:43:50he told me

00:43:51that he was going

00:43:53to take care of it.

00:43:54He said he was

00:43:55trying to get

00:43:56his money together

00:43:57to come to Detroit

00:43:58and he was

00:43:59crunching numbers

00:44:00and he...

00:44:01No, I'm talking

00:44:01about the airline ticket.

00:44:03Right.

00:44:03Then he said,

00:44:04I need to give

00:44:04that money to you

00:44:05this week, right?

00:44:07And I told him

00:44:08I had made a payment

00:44:09on a credit card

00:44:10and he could have

00:44:11more time.

00:44:12And so he said

00:44:13he would take care of it.

00:44:14He said,

00:44:14I'll take care of it

00:44:15when I'm there

00:44:16the 1st of August.

00:44:17Did he come

00:44:17the 1st of August?

00:44:19He came in August, yes.

00:44:20And what happened

00:44:21in August?

00:44:22He came in August.

00:44:23We was there.

00:44:24We did not have

00:44:25any discussion

00:44:26about money

00:44:26until he told me

00:44:28that his account

00:44:29was compromised

00:44:31and somebody

00:44:31owed him some money

00:44:32and didn't give him

00:44:33the money.

00:44:34And so that's

00:44:35when he asked

00:44:36for the second,

00:44:38well, the other

00:44:39loan amount.

00:44:40For the other

00:44:40amount of money.

00:44:41You mean he was

00:44:42in Michigan

00:44:43when he asked

00:44:45for more money?

00:44:46Yes.

00:44:46Well, when he asked

00:44:48for any money.

00:44:48You were never

00:44:49given him money before.

00:44:50Correct.

00:44:51Tell me about it.

00:44:52So he sent me

00:44:53a text message

00:44:54and he asked

00:44:55if I could go

00:44:56to the credit union

00:44:57and take out

00:44:57a loan for him.

00:44:58I'd like to see

00:44:59that, please,

00:45:00if it was

00:45:01in a text message.

00:45:09Mr. Kelly.

00:45:11Yes, Your Honor.

00:45:11Can you check

00:45:12with your credit union

00:45:13and see if you

00:45:13can get a personal

00:45:14loan for a grand

00:45:15and I can make

00:45:17payments on it

00:45:18because I don't

00:45:19even have my gas money

00:45:20to get out here.

00:45:21And she responds,

00:45:23I can loan you a grand.

00:45:25Is that all you need?

00:45:26And you respond to her,

00:45:28well, the $500

00:45:29I'm short

00:45:30would be perfect

00:45:31if you can.

00:45:32$1,500.

00:45:33$1,500, excuse me.

00:45:34$1,500.

00:45:35Yes, Your Honor.

00:45:36Well, what do you

00:45:37think that meant?

00:45:41Hey, baby,

00:45:41you think you can

00:45:42make that loan

00:45:43and even $2,000?

00:45:45No, I'm saying

00:45:46the money wasn't

00:45:46a problem

00:45:47until I dumped her.

00:45:48I don't care

00:45:48if it was a problem

00:45:49a lot,

00:45:49you said it was a loan.

00:45:51Exactly.

00:45:52Great.

00:45:53Pay careful attention.

00:45:55If you want a dog

00:45:56that guarantees you

00:45:57practically a nice disposition,

00:46:00buy a golden doodle,

00:46:01not a wolf.

00:46:04Harassment.

00:46:05This is your case.

00:46:07The defendants purchased

00:46:08one of your puppies

00:46:10several years ago.

00:46:11One, yes.

00:46:12And a couple of years later,

00:46:14according to you,

00:46:15they were looking

00:46:15for a second dog.

00:46:17Yes.

00:46:17Did they contact you?

00:46:19Yes.

00:46:20By phone?

00:46:21Through messaging.

00:46:22Which you have?

00:46:23Yes.

00:46:24Okay.

00:46:24And I will take a look

00:46:25at it at an appropriate time.

00:46:27That they were looking for,

00:46:29I think they were looking

00:46:30for a male,

00:46:30they had had a female?

00:46:32Correct.

00:46:32And you were prepared

00:46:33to accommodate that.

00:46:34Did you give them

00:46:35the price for the dog?

00:46:36Yes.

00:46:36What was that?

00:46:37At the time,

00:46:38it was $800.

00:46:39And after certain

00:46:40discussions with them,

00:46:41was that price

00:46:42ever modified?

00:46:43Yes, it was.

00:46:44To what?

00:46:44Angela thought

00:46:45that the $800

00:46:46was a little expensive.

00:46:49How much had they paid

00:46:50for the first dog?

00:46:51$500.

00:46:52Okay.

00:46:53The reasoning being,

00:46:54they helped me sell.

00:46:56No, no.

00:46:56Just years before,

00:46:58they had paid $500.

00:46:59You were asking $800

00:47:00for this male.

00:47:02It was $800 back then also.

00:47:04Under the circumstances,

00:47:06if they helped me sell animals,

00:47:08then I would give them a deal.

00:47:09Did they do that for you

00:47:11the first time?

00:47:11Yes, ma'am.

00:47:12So the first time

00:47:13that they bought

00:47:14a puppy from you,

00:47:15they paid $500

00:47:16and assisted you

00:47:18in finding owners

00:47:19for other puppies?

00:47:21Correct.

00:47:21Is that correct?

00:47:22Yes.

00:47:23Yes.

00:47:23Second time,

00:47:24you asked for $800.

00:47:26Yes.

00:47:26And then did you make

00:47:27the same deal with them?

00:47:28I did.

00:47:29How many puppies

00:47:30did you have?

00:47:31At the time,

00:47:31I had six.

00:47:32Did they come over

00:47:33and see the puppies?

00:47:35No.

00:47:35Isn't that usual

00:47:36to come over

00:47:37and pick one

00:47:37unless you only had

00:47:39one male?

00:47:40Sometimes.

00:47:40I've sold other people,

00:47:42animals,

00:47:42throughout the United States

00:47:44by pictures only

00:47:45and updated photographs.

00:47:46On what date

00:47:47did you go

00:47:48and pick up your puppy?

00:47:49He dropped the puppy

00:47:50off to us

00:47:51on, I think it was

00:47:53March 22nd.

00:47:55How far does he live

00:47:56from you?

00:47:57About 40 miles.

00:47:5830 miles.

00:47:58So you could have easily

00:47:59gone to see the litter.

00:48:00Yes, correct.

00:48:02So you chose for him

00:48:03to drop the puppy off.

00:48:04Well, he kind of

00:48:05messaged us

00:48:06and we know,

00:48:08we had a phone conversation

00:48:09where he stated

00:48:09that he couldn't feed

00:48:10the puppies anymore.

00:48:11No, that's not

00:48:12what I'm asking you.

00:48:13I know you have a script

00:48:14that you want to tell me about

00:48:15because you have something

00:48:16in your head,

00:48:17but that's not

00:48:18what I asked you.

00:48:19What I asked you was

00:48:20you could have gone

00:48:22to look at the litter

00:48:22of puppies

00:48:23and picked out

00:48:24which one you wanted.

00:48:26Correct.

00:48:26You chose to have him

00:48:28deliver it to you.

00:48:29Yes.

00:48:30That was my question.

00:48:31He delivered to you

00:48:32a male puppy.

00:48:33How old was the puppy

00:48:34you delivered to them?

00:48:35Approximately

00:48:36nine and a half weeks.

00:48:37I don't know

00:48:37if that's an appropriate time

00:48:39for wolf dog puppies,

00:48:40but ten weeks

00:48:41is a reasonable time

00:48:42to separate puppies

00:48:44from the litter

00:48:45and their mother.

00:48:46I know that that's not

00:48:47what I went to law school for

00:48:49but you require

00:48:50a certain amount

00:48:50of nonsense information

00:48:52over the course

00:48:52of a lifetime.

00:48:54Anyway,

00:48:54did they pay you

00:48:54for that dog?

00:48:55No.

00:48:56What was the arrangement?

00:48:57According to Angela,

00:48:58I got three different amounts.

00:48:59She was going to give me

00:49:00a $100 deposit

00:49:01and $100 a week,

00:49:03a $150 deposit

00:49:04then $100 a week

00:49:05and a $200 deposit

00:49:07and $100 a week.

00:49:08I got nothing.

00:49:08At what purchase price?

00:49:10She was thinking

00:49:11the $500

00:49:12when I was asking

00:49:13the $800.

00:49:14That's not what I said.

00:49:15Did you ultimately

00:49:16make an arrangement

00:49:17with her for $500

00:49:18if she helped you

00:49:19find other pet owners?

00:49:21Okay, let's be direct.

00:49:22So you agreed

00:49:23to make them

00:49:24the same deal

00:49:24with this dog

00:49:25as you made

00:49:26with the last.

00:49:26Correct.

00:49:27Which is,

00:49:28I'll give you

00:49:28if you help find

00:49:30other potential prospects

00:49:32for the other puppies.

00:49:33Correct.

00:49:34So purchase price

00:49:35was $500

00:49:36and they did find you

00:49:37other people

00:49:38for the puppies.

00:49:38One, yes.

00:49:39Well, they found one.

00:49:40It wasn't specified.

00:49:41They found one.

00:49:42And did you place

00:49:43that puppy?

00:49:44Yes.

00:49:44This is what

00:49:45your lawsuit is about.

00:49:46You say

00:49:47that she didn't pay

00:49:48you any money

00:49:49and the people

00:49:50who you placed

00:49:52the other dog with

00:49:53did not finish

00:49:54paying you.

00:49:55Correct.

00:49:55Well, they're not

00:49:56responsible for that person.

00:49:58They're not responsible

00:49:58for that person

00:49:59unless you gave them

00:50:01the dog

00:50:01in order to collect

00:50:02the money.

00:50:03Or did you drop

00:50:04the puppy off?

00:50:05I dropped the puppy

00:50:05off at their house.

00:50:06Then that's your problem.

00:50:07Okay.

00:50:08So then what we're dealing

00:50:09is the $500

00:50:11that you claim

00:50:12they owe you

00:50:13for the dog.

00:50:14Oh, plus potential

00:50:15loss of income.

00:50:16Oh, no.

00:50:17Yeah.

00:50:18That'd be ridiculous.

00:50:19Okay, $500.

00:50:21Let me hear your excuse.

00:50:23I think that the dog

00:50:24has been abused

00:50:25and I have video

00:50:26proving.

00:50:27And?

00:50:28The male won't

00:50:28ever come around.

00:50:29Just a second.

00:50:29And?

00:50:30The male

00:50:31does not like males.

00:50:33What he'll do

00:50:34is he will coward

00:50:35at the sight

00:50:35of any male.

00:50:36He's very aggressive

00:50:37when he goes

00:50:38to take food from you.

00:50:39He was 10 and a half

00:50:39weeks old.

00:50:40We've had him

00:50:41for eight months now

00:50:42and we still can't

00:50:43touch him.

00:50:43But you got him

00:50:44when he was

00:50:44nine and a half

00:50:45weeks old.

00:50:46And he's still the same.

00:50:48You got him

00:50:48when he was

00:50:49nine and a half

00:50:49weeks old.

00:50:50So that's not a reason

00:50:51not to pay for him.

00:50:52You still have him.

00:50:53He needs proper care

00:50:55and we don't feel

00:50:56like we should

00:50:56pay anything.

00:50:58No.

00:50:58Not with what

00:50:59we have to deal

00:50:59with with the dog

00:51:00emotionally and

00:51:01everything else.

00:51:02Well, unfortunately

00:51:03the law does not

00:51:04agree with you.

00:51:05You agreed to pay

00:51:05him $500 for a dog.

00:51:07You have the dog

00:51:08and you have to pay

00:51:09him the $500 for the dog.

00:51:11That's it.

00:51:11It's an easy case.

00:51:12That was your contract.

00:51:13You didn't make a contract

00:51:14with him for a dog

00:51:16that had a nice disposition.

00:51:17Just pay careful attention.

00:51:19If you want a dog

00:51:20that guarantees you

00:51:22practically a nice disposition

00:51:24buy a golden doodle.

00:51:26Not a wolf.

00:51:27Buy a golden doodle.

00:51:28Got you.

00:51:29Buy a Shih Tzu.

00:51:31You want a big dog?

00:51:32What's another big dog?

00:51:33Golden retriever.

00:51:34Buy a golden retriever.

00:51:36But if you people

00:51:37are odd enough

00:51:38to think that wolf dogs

00:51:40make good pets

00:51:42not knowing

00:51:43because I did a little

00:51:44investigation into wolf dogs

00:51:46are wolf dogs

00:51:48good pets

00:51:48because I get my cases early

00:51:50and I say

00:51:50why would any normal person

00:51:52want to own

00:51:53with 219 breeds

00:51:56or more

00:51:56in this country

00:51:57in the world

00:51:58of dogs

00:51:59why would you take

00:52:00a dog that is

00:52:01in part

00:52:02and you don't know

00:52:03what part

00:52:03wild wolf

00:52:05why would you do that?

00:52:06If your animal

00:52:07is aggressive

00:52:08go look at its history

00:52:09because sometimes

00:52:10they'll grow up

00:52:10to be friendly

00:52:11nice dogs

00:52:12like the first one

00:52:13you had.

00:52:13The first one I have

00:52:14is very well

00:52:15with our kids.

00:52:15You know this one

00:52:16I'm going back

00:52:17to my wolf roots.

00:52:19Well so

00:52:20judgment for the plaintiff

00:52:21in the amount

00:52:22of $500

00:52:23your counterclaims

00:52:24dismissed

00:52:24we're done

00:52:25thank you.

00:52:25This court is adjourned.

00:52:27We more or less

00:52:28rescued this dog.

00:52:29The dog had

00:52:30no issues before.

00:52:32He cowards down

00:52:33to any side of a male.

00:52:34That's just

00:52:34a totally false statement.

00:52:36It's to the point

00:52:37where he's got to

00:52:37get a trainer.

00:52:38I hope that it is

00:52:39taken care of

00:52:40and if they don't

00:52:40want the animal

00:52:41I'd be glad

00:52:42to take it back

00:52:42and care for it.

00:52:43We're going to work

00:52:44with him.

00:52:44Yeah we're not

00:52:45going to let him go.

00:52:46Just another example

00:52:48of people

00:52:48who maybe

00:52:50maybe not

00:52:51looked into

00:52:52the history

00:52:53of a dog

00:52:54a wolf dog

00:52:55and if you read

00:52:56about it

00:52:57I did a little

00:52:58before the case.

00:52:59Yeah.

00:52:59And it said

00:53:00that a wolf dog

00:53:01is a mix

00:53:01between a wild dog

00:53:04and a domesticated dog

00:53:06and they list

00:53:06the names

00:53:06of the kinds

00:53:07of dogs

00:53:08that they have

00:53:08been bred with

00:53:09over the course

00:53:10of the years

00:53:10but in that kind

00:53:11of situation

00:53:12you don't know

00:53:12how much wolf

00:53:13you're getting.

00:53:14It's a risk.

00:53:14You could be getting

00:53:158% wolf

00:53:16you could be getting

00:53:1750% wolf

00:53:19you really don't know.

00:53:20I think that there

00:53:21are some jurisdictions

00:53:22where they don't allow

00:53:23them to be sold

00:53:24as domesticated pets.

00:53:25I think there are

00:53:26a few out there

00:53:27I just think

00:53:27it's a gamble

00:53:28and you have to be

00:53:29willing to assume

00:53:30the risk.

00:53:31I think that we have

00:53:31to distress

00:53:32saying he threatened

00:53:34her with a gun.

00:53:36And when he's

00:53:36reacted that way

00:53:37did you ever

00:53:38say anything to him?

00:53:39It was minimal

00:53:39I didn't respond to it.

00:53:41Really?

00:53:41Okay.

00:53:42Good.

00:53:42When my husband

00:53:43gets involved

00:53:44in one of those

00:53:44road rage things

00:53:45because somebody

00:53:46cuts him off

00:53:47I'm all over him

00:53:48like white on rice.

00:53:51Are you crazy

00:53:52putting me in jeopardy

00:53:54because you got

00:53:55a bad temper?

00:53:56That's what I say

00:53:57to my husband.

00:53:58She can attest

00:53:59to that.

00:53:59Me, I once said

00:54:01to a police officer

00:54:02who pulled him over

00:54:03give him a ticket

00:54:04give him two tickets

00:54:06maybe he'll stop.

00:54:10Right?

00:54:10True.

00:54:11So now you're involved

00:54:13in a road rage

00:54:13hissy fit

00:54:14and you're tailgating her.

00:54:16How many blocks

00:54:17did you tail her?

00:54:18Or how many miles

00:54:19did you tail her?

00:54:20Don't look as if

00:54:21you don't understand

00:54:22my question.

00:54:22No.

00:54:23Okay.

00:54:23Good.

00:54:24Three quarters of a mile

00:54:26if that.

00:54:26Okay.

00:54:27Well that's a pretty

00:54:27long way

00:54:28three quarters of a mile

00:54:29so you were tailing

00:54:31her for three quarters

00:54:31of a mile

00:54:32and at some point

00:54:33did she make

00:54:34a turn with her car

00:54:36to avoid you

00:54:37tailing her?

00:54:38Yes.

00:54:39A 90 degree turn?

00:54:40Yes.

00:54:40So tell me

00:54:41now you're following

00:54:42her for three quarters

00:54:43of a mile

00:54:43and she makes

00:54:44this turn?

00:54:45Yes.

00:54:46Now when she made

00:54:47that sharp turn

00:54:48did you follow her?

00:54:49No.

00:54:50No.

00:54:51No, no, no.

00:54:52I know you didn't

00:54:52follow her

00:54:53because she made

00:54:54that turn

00:54:54to get away

00:54:56from you.

00:54:57Do you understand?

00:54:58I've been on this earth

00:54:59a very long time.

00:55:01You, Mr. Parkinson

00:55:03are an ordinary guy

00:55:05with a bad temper

00:55:06so I've played

00:55:07this scene

00:55:08in my head

00:55:09both from personal

00:55:10experience

00:55:11and from watching

00:55:12other jerks like you

00:55:13in my head

00:55:14a hundred times

00:55:15so when she made

00:55:16this turn

00:55:17she made the turn

00:55:18to get away

00:55:19from you

00:55:20and you said

00:55:21well I accomplished

00:55:22my mission

00:55:22I jarred her

00:55:23a little bit

00:55:24that's if I believe

00:55:25your story

00:55:26all of it

00:55:26and you went home

00:55:27now

00:55:28I'm to the point

00:55:29where she makes

00:55:30the turn

00:55:31and you went home

00:55:32so far correct?

00:55:34That is correct.

00:55:35Does that look

00:55:35familiar to you

00:55:36Mr. Parkinson?

00:55:37Yes it does.

00:55:38Okay.

00:55:38So I would like you

00:55:39to walk over there

00:55:40show me where

00:55:41the gas station is

00:55:42and show me

00:55:43where you started

00:55:43to follow her.

00:55:44I'll be more

00:55:46than happy to.

00:55:48Of course it says

00:55:49shell right here

00:55:50that's where

00:55:50incident began.

00:55:51Right.

00:55:51She pulled out

00:55:52a medium flame

00:55:52causing me

00:55:53to hit my brakes.

00:55:54Just a second

00:55:54so she caused you

00:55:55to hit your brakes?

00:55:56Yes.

00:55:56Then she turned right

00:55:58I followed her

00:55:58into the village

00:55:59everybody gets close

00:56:00No no no

00:56:01just show me

00:56:02I followed her

00:56:02into the village

00:56:03and show me

00:56:04where you proceeded

00:56:05Then we drove down

00:56:06and she turned

00:56:06I believe here

00:56:07or here.

00:56:08Turned how?

00:56:09To the right.

00:56:10Okay.

00:56:11And you proceeded

00:56:12to your house?

00:56:12Yes.

00:56:13Okay.

00:56:13Now you can step back.

00:56:17So she turned off

00:56:18to get away

00:56:19from the maniac

00:56:20who was tailgating her

00:56:21because she had

00:56:22made a mistake

00:56:24in pulling out

00:56:25in front of him

00:56:26at a gas station.

00:56:28You go home

00:56:29and what do you do

00:56:29when you get home?

00:56:30I pack my truck in.

00:56:31And?

00:56:32Then what did you do?

00:56:33I got out of my truck

00:56:34to move the tools

00:56:36and stuff

00:56:36that had shifted

00:56:37to the front of the bed

00:56:38to the back of the bed

00:56:40where I can get to

00:56:41better for work

00:56:42because I had

00:56:43to slam on the brakes

00:56:44twice.

00:56:45Mr. Parkinson

00:56:46do you know

00:56:47what doesn't make sense

00:56:48to me?

00:56:49Your husband

00:56:49isn't a stupid man

00:56:50is he?

00:56:51No ma'am.

00:56:51No.

00:56:52Now I don't drive

00:56:53a truck

00:56:53but I know

00:56:54when I go to the store

00:56:55and buy two gallons

00:56:57of chicken soup

00:56:58with matzo balls

00:56:59and I go to put them

00:57:01in the car

00:57:01I say to myself

00:57:03Judy

00:57:03it's possible

00:57:05that you're going

00:57:05to have to stop short

00:57:06that a light's

00:57:07going to turn red

00:57:08so I put

00:57:09the chicken soup

00:57:10in between

00:57:11the front seat

00:57:12and the back seat

00:57:13of the car

00:57:14and I move the seat

00:57:15so it's stable

00:57:16so that if my car

00:57:18stops a little short

00:57:20because even if it

00:57:20stops a little short

00:57:21my chicken soup

00:57:22would be on the floor

00:57:23of the car

00:57:24so I make sure

00:57:25that it doesn't move

00:57:26it just doesn't

00:57:26make sense to me

00:57:27why you wouldn't

00:57:28secure this toolbox

00:57:30any better

00:57:30if you stop short

00:57:31those tools

00:57:32are naturally

00:57:32going to move

00:57:33right?

00:57:34The weight of the tools

00:57:34is actually going to move

00:57:35so I just

00:57:36am putting this

00:57:37whole thing

00:57:38in my head

00:57:38do you need

00:57:39a permit

00:57:40to buy a gun

00:57:41in Arkansas?

00:57:42You do not have

00:57:43to have a permit

00:57:44to carry in Arkansas

00:57:45it is an open

00:57:46carry state

00:57:47you have to apply

00:57:48to buy a handgun

00:57:50or long rifle

00:57:51have you ever done that?

00:57:53Yes I have

00:57:53multiple times

00:57:54Oh just a second

00:57:55so the answer is yes

00:57:56Yes

00:57:57What have you applied

00:57:58to buy?

00:57:59Numerous guns

00:58:00Which you still have?

00:58:02Yes

00:58:02I assume that you

00:58:03keep those guns

00:58:04within the proximity

00:58:05of your home

00:58:06They are all kept

00:58:07in the house

00:58:07your honor

00:58:08The next thing

00:58:09according to you

00:58:10the police show up

00:58:11at your door

00:58:11That is correct

00:58:12and they have a

00:58:13conversation with you

00:58:14about a report

00:58:15Yes they did

00:58:16that someone has

00:58:17in your area

00:58:18has complained

00:58:19that there were

00:58:21shots fired

00:58:22by you

00:58:23out of your truck

00:58:24during this

00:58:25road rage incident

00:58:26That's what

00:58:27the statement says

00:58:28That's what

00:58:29the statement says

00:58:30and I assume

00:58:32that the police

00:58:33searched the truck

00:58:34The police searched

00:58:35me

00:58:36Did they search

00:58:36the truck?

00:58:37I gave the police

00:58:39the authority

00:58:40to search my truck

00:58:41willingly

00:58:41They searched

00:58:44the truck

00:58:45I told them

00:58:46they could

00:58:47Mr. Parkinson

00:58:48I know that you

00:58:49think that I'm stupid

00:58:50I know that you

00:58:51must think

00:58:52that I'm stupid

00:58:52Did you give

00:58:54the police

00:58:54permission

00:58:55to search your house?

00:58:56The answer is

00:58:57yes or no

00:58:57No

00:58:58Of course not

00:58:59Because in your house

00:59:00they would have

00:59:00found multiple guns

00:59:02Correct

00:59:03In your house

00:59:03Just that's a yes

00:59:04or a no

00:59:05In your house

00:59:06they would have

00:59:07found multiple guns

00:59:08Yes

00:59:09You keep multiple

00:59:10guns in your house

00:59:12but don't carry

00:59:13one around

00:59:13for protection

00:59:14In your truck

00:59:15When did they

00:59:16arrest you?

00:59:18I was arrested

00:59:18on August 2nd

00:59:21Okay

00:59:21And?

00:59:22I was told

00:59:23to call the

00:59:24village police

00:59:24department

00:59:24I promptly

00:59:25called them

00:59:26and they told me

00:59:26I had a warrant

00:59:27for my arrest

00:59:28And?

00:59:28I was very shocked

00:59:29And?

00:59:30And I was charged

00:59:31with felony assault

00:59:32and I had to pay

00:59:33$1,080

00:59:34to bond

00:59:36and fees

00:59:36to get out

00:59:37of jail

00:59:38And?

00:59:39I was released

00:59:40from jail

00:59:40And then on

00:59:42the 17th

00:59:44Is that correct?

00:59:4419th

00:59:45The 19th of August

00:59:47I had a court date

00:59:48And?

00:59:49It was Noel Prost

00:59:50Due to the request

00:59:51of the village

00:59:51police department

00:59:52for lack of evidence

00:59:54Okay

00:59:54And?

00:59:55So I'm out

00:59:57that amount of money

00:59:58for bond

00:59:59for a false arrest

01:00:00is a false statement

01:00:01and half a day

01:00:02Okay

01:00:02We're going to find out

01:00:03if it's a false statement

01:00:04So far

01:00:04I'm not thinking

01:00:05it's a false statement

01:00:06I have to let that

01:00:07sink into you

01:00:08Mr. Parkinson

01:00:08So far

01:00:09I'm not thinking

01:00:10it's a false statement

01:00:11I'm going to hear

01:00:12the defendant

01:00:13I know one thing

01:00:14for certain

01:00:14You were involved

01:00:16in a road rage incident

01:00:17and you were the perpetrator

01:00:18Whether or not

01:00:19you flashed a gun

01:00:21She's going to tell me

01:00:22We certainly know

01:00:23that you have guns

01:00:24according to you

01:00:25multiple guns

01:00:26in your house

01:00:27I suppose you have

01:00:28a couple for you

01:00:29and a couple for your wife

01:00:30Who else lives

01:00:30in your house with you?

01:00:31Just the two of us

01:00:32Just the two of you

01:00:33How many guns

01:00:34does he have in the house?

01:00:38So when I go around

01:00:39this one S car

01:00:40I hear a pop

01:00:41and I'm like

01:00:42Oh my God

01:00:42he just shot at us

01:00:43I said call 911

01:00:44While following her home

01:00:46How many guns

01:00:46does he have in the house?

01:00:47We have two long guns

01:00:48that he used for hunting

01:00:49and we each have a handgun

01:00:50And you each have a handgun?

01:00:52Yes

01:00:52Good

01:00:53They are in travel cases

01:00:55that are locked

01:00:55You want to know something?

01:00:56I don't believe that

01:00:57Well we have grandchildren

01:00:59that come over

01:00:59When there are grandchildren

01:01:00you may lock them

01:01:01Okay

01:01:02Now we're going to you

01:01:03Miss Burke

01:01:03Did you see him

01:01:05when you cut him off?

01:01:07I did not

01:01:07Let's start out

01:01:09with the fact

01:01:09that you were exiting

01:01:11the gas station

01:01:12You didn't see him

01:01:14You weren't paying attention

01:01:15You didn't look that way

01:01:17Whatever it was

01:01:17you cut him off

01:01:18So let's start from there

01:01:20You got it

01:01:20This gray truck

01:01:21comes up behind me

01:01:22swerving and revving

01:01:23his motor and all that

01:01:24Got as close as he possibly could

01:01:26Why don't you show me over there

01:01:27I will do that

01:01:28Okay

01:01:28There's two lanes

01:01:33going into the village

01:01:34There's a left

01:01:35and a right lane

01:01:35I go left

01:01:36He goes right

01:01:37Well I get in front of him

01:01:38and then he starts

01:01:39getting behind me

01:01:40swerving his car

01:01:41back and forth

01:01:42revving his motor

01:01:42He is so close

01:01:43He's probably closest

01:01:44to me and him

01:01:45I mean he's not

01:01:46a car length away

01:01:47He's right up on my bumper

01:01:48and revving his truck

01:01:49revving his truck

01:01:50and I'm going to speed him

01:01:51but then I turn up

01:01:51make a left

01:01:52He's still right on me

01:01:54never lets up

01:01:55It's kind of a tricky area

01:01:56because it's curvy

01:01:57so when I go around

01:01:59this one s car

01:02:00I hear a pop

01:02:01and I'm like

01:02:02oh my god

01:02:02he just shot at us

01:02:03I said call 9-1-1

01:02:04When I start coming

01:02:05back down again

01:02:06I look in my passenger mirror

01:02:08I saw the spark

01:02:10I saw it

01:02:10I'll never forget it

01:02:12and he heard it

01:02:12we heard

01:02:13even on the phone call

01:02:14I think you can possibly hear it

01:02:16he popped the gun again

01:02:17and then he's on 9-1-1

01:02:19talking to her

01:02:19and the lady's saying

01:02:20be calm

01:02:21and I'm leaning down

01:02:22in the car

01:02:22he's trying to tell me to go

01:02:23he looks like he's going

01:02:24going on past us

01:02:26but when he does that

01:02:27he rolls down the window

01:02:27and you can see him

01:02:28holding a gun

01:02:29in his hand

01:02:29and he says something

01:02:30I don't hear

01:02:31I can't understand

01:02:32what he's saying

01:02:32he's getting the license plate numbers

01:02:34we thought he kept on going

01:02:35so your son got the license number

01:02:36yeah he got the license plate number

01:02:38he's on the phone

01:02:38with 9-1-1

01:02:39at this time

01:02:39and that's what

01:02:40was given to the police

01:02:42yes ma'am

01:02:42okay

01:02:43well I got the 9-1-1 call

01:02:44here with us today

01:02:45I would like to hear it

01:02:46step back

01:02:47can I hear the 9-1-1 call please

01:02:51go

01:02:52go

01:02:539-1-1

01:02:54what's your emergency

01:02:55somebody was going to shoot at us

01:02:56what

01:02:57there's a pop

01:02:58he was shooting at us

01:03:01there's lots of plate numbers

01:03:02I need our units

01:03:03we got a

01:03:04vehicle that is

01:03:06the complainant's on 9-1-1

01:03:08saying

01:03:08the vehicle is shooting at them

01:03:10I'm fixing to run the tag

01:03:11who am I speaking with

01:03:12this is Leslie Scott Rogers

01:03:14and you said

01:03:15what kind of vehicle was it

01:03:17it was a gray Toyota Tundra

01:03:19go

01:03:20it's coming back

01:03:20on a gray Toyota Tundra

01:03:22and that's what the complainant says

01:03:23it's a 2014 Toyota Tundra

01:03:25okay

01:03:26start that 9-1-1 call

01:03:28all over again

01:03:29pay careful attention

01:03:30because I thought

01:03:31at the beginning of this tape

01:03:32I too heard

01:03:34a shot

01:03:34can we start again please

01:03:36take your hand out of your pocket

01:03:37go

01:03:38go

01:03:399-1-1

01:03:40what is your emergency

01:03:41somebody was going to shoot at us

01:03:42there it is

01:03:44there it is

01:03:45got it

01:03:46you can stop it

01:03:46that doesn't sound like a gunshot

01:03:48your case is dismissed

01:03:49Mr. Parkinson

01:03:50your case is dismissed

01:03:51I have a counterclaim

01:03:52so stand where you are

01:03:53the counterclaim is by Miss Burke

01:03:55for the emotional trauma

01:03:59that she

01:04:00let's just talk about her

01:04:01went through

01:04:02as a result

01:04:02of your road rage

01:04:04and shooting your gun at her

01:04:05which you did

01:04:07you probably didn't shoot it

01:04:08to hit her

01:04:09or to hit the car

01:04:10because I don't think

01:04:11you're that stupid

01:04:12stupid yes

01:04:13but I don't think

01:04:13that's stupid

01:04:14I think you did it

01:04:15to frighten her

01:04:16just to frighten her

01:04:18then I think

01:04:19that you brought the gun

01:04:20that you keep in your truck

01:04:21when you work

01:04:22maybe on your person

01:04:24which you probably

01:04:25have a perfectly legal

01:04:26right to do

01:04:27and you took the gun

01:04:28you said just in case

01:04:29something happens

01:04:29because I did in fact

01:04:30shoot my gun

01:04:32in her direction

01:04:32because I heard it

01:04:34on the 9-1-1 call

01:04:35I better put it in the house

01:04:37I better put it in the house

01:04:38so you took the gun

01:04:40and you brought it

01:04:41into the house

01:04:41and then

01:04:42oh police are here

01:04:44oh well

01:04:45search my truck

01:04:46you won't find a gun

01:04:48search me

01:04:49you won't find a gun on me

01:04:51don't search my house

01:04:52and I guarantee you

01:04:54that you didn't say

01:04:55to the policeman

01:04:56when they came

01:04:56I do have a gun

01:04:57but it's locked in my house

01:04:59show me something

01:04:59where you told the police

01:05:00that you had a gun

01:05:01but it was in the house

01:05:02nothing

01:05:03because it didn't happen

01:05:04based upon that 9-1-1 call

01:05:06the fact that you were involved

01:05:08in a road rage incident

01:05:09with her

01:05:10tailing her

01:05:10at least three quarters

01:05:12of a mile

01:05:12right on her tail

01:05:14causing that 9-1-1 call

01:05:16as far as I'm concerned

01:05:17that's trauma

01:05:18my heart would have been

01:05:20racing triple time

01:05:22because I don't know

01:05:23whether behind me

01:05:24is a lunatic

01:05:25or just a stupid guy

01:05:27who can't control his temper

01:05:29and his wife

01:05:30hasn't been able

01:05:31to beat it out of him

01:05:32for the last

01:05:33how many years

01:05:34you're married

01:05:35because there's no question

01:05:36he's done

01:05:37that sort of thing before

01:05:39maybe not with a gun

01:05:40maybe not with a gun

01:05:42when was the last time

01:05:44sir

01:05:44prior to this time

01:05:45that you were arrested

01:05:46when was the last time

01:05:48prior to this time

01:05:49that you were arrested

01:05:51year

01:05:5219

01:05:5319

01:05:54your age

01:05:55or 2019

01:05:562019

01:05:572019

01:05:582019

01:05:58for what

01:05:59now don't think

01:06:00I know

01:06:01that if I were arrested

01:06:03once

01:06:03a couple of years ago

01:06:05I would have remembered

01:06:06what it was

01:06:07well I was arrested

01:06:08for

01:06:09supposed harassment

01:06:10violation of no contact

01:06:12order

01:06:12what else

01:06:13no don't look at her

01:06:15it's been so many times

01:06:17I can't remember

01:06:17so you've been arrested

01:06:19multiple times

01:06:20yes

01:06:20okay good

01:06:21nice

01:06:22you picked him

01:06:23I don't see how this pertains

01:06:25how does it pertain

01:06:26for your propensity

01:06:27for violence

01:06:28this has nothing to do

01:06:29with violence

01:06:30no it does have to do

01:06:31with her counterclaim

01:06:32$5,000

01:06:33is what your counterclaim

01:06:34is for

01:06:34is that correct

01:06:35judgment on the counterclaim

01:06:36for $5,000

01:06:37your claim is dismissed

01:06:38we're done

01:06:39this court is adjourned

01:06:40it was a very bad day

01:06:41we do not carry weapons

01:06:43in our vehicles

01:06:44I won't even go out

01:06:45at night anymore

01:06:45because I'm scared

01:06:46he's coming by my house

01:06:47she described in the report

01:06:48a black weapon

01:06:49we don't have a black handgun

01:06:50the truth is

01:06:51I saw the guns

01:06:51I think she created

01:06:53a situation by admitting

01:06:54she didn't see me

01:06:55I don't understand

01:06:55why he would even say that

01:06:56people want to drive stupid

01:06:57let them

01:06:58and just back off

01:06:59the plaintiff

01:07:00was certainly not forthcoming

01:07:02I let them search my truck

01:07:04I let them search me

01:07:07what about your house

01:07:08did you tell them

01:07:09I do have a gun

01:07:10but it wasn't out

01:07:10it wasn't me

01:07:11because I leave my guns

01:07:12my two long guns

01:07:14and my two short guns

01:07:15at home

01:07:15you could hear the pop

01:07:17in the first part

01:07:19of that

01:07:199-1-1 call

01:07:21when he was hysterical

01:07:23and believe me

01:07:24he wasn't hysterical

01:07:26just because someone's

01:07:27tailing you

01:07:27just because someone's

01:07:28tailing you

01:07:28you don't call 9-1-1

01:07:29you pull into your house

01:07:31and you lock the door fast

01:07:32you only do that

01:07:34if someone's pointing

01:07:35and so there's no question

01:07:36there's no question

01:07:38that he did that

01:07:39how dare you put someone

01:07:40in fear

01:07:41purposely

01:07:43you're just doing it

01:07:44to create a fear

01:07:45in someone

01:07:46and to do that

01:07:47especially to a woman

01:07:48driving in front of you

01:07:50in a small Camry

01:07:51it says more about him

01:07:52than it does anything else

01:07:53I think

01:07:53at that moment

01:07:54I'd put him in jail

01:07:55for five days

01:07:56and say

01:07:56okay

01:07:57I don't do that

01:07:58because he atrás

01:07:59because it pulls us

01:08:00into some cases

01:08:01going in

01:08:02way

01:08:04I think

01:08:05can help you

01:08:06then

01:08:07but

01:08:07let me

01:08:09in a jail

01:08:10for five days

01:08:10and then

01:08:11I think

01:08:12I think

01:08:14that might

01:08:15have a

01:08:15fib

01:08:16before

01:08:17after

01:08:18I think

01:08:19we took

01:08:20that

01:08:21to where

01:08:22it

01:08:23died

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