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00:00Courtesy of River Islands guest line is all guests and then if I sit in the game of PR
00:04on River Islands guest line, isn't it time for you to discover the islands, River Islands
00:08in Lathrop and while I'm not discovering the River Islands, the Giants may be finding themselves
00:13discovering the islands of, I don't know, Hawaii, Cancun, Cabo, I know they're not islands
00:20but they may be heading there sooner rather than later.
00:22It's been a struggle Dave to say it bluntly.
00:26What's going on with this team?
00:28Like what is, we're going to ask all the callers today, the single most frustrating aspect
00:33of this team right now is what are you?
00:36As I look at you on YouTube.
00:39Good morning to you guys.
00:42What a way to dive right into it.
00:46Now I do have a little echo.
00:47We're trying to do technology.
00:49Is that coming through on your guys' end?
00:51No, it sounds good.
00:52No, you sound good.
00:53Yeah, yeah.
00:53You sound fine.
00:54You look better with that big baller brand hat.
00:57I don't know what the triple B stands for.
00:58I don't think that's big baller brand.
01:00Big baller brand.
01:04Lamar Ball.
01:05You think I'm recording him?
01:06It's the Birmingham Black Bears.
01:08It's the hat.
01:08Willie Mays.
01:09Willie Mays used that when it first was a bra.
01:12Gotcha.
01:13That's really cool.
01:14That's really cool.
01:15Yeah, it's a cool hat.
01:15Look, this has been a frustrating week for Giants fans, and there's just so many emotions right
01:23now.
01:23For you, if you were to pinpoint one frustration for you that hasn't gone well for the team,
01:29what would it be?
01:31Well, it's not specific, but the biggest frustration is we keep showing up.
01:36Giants fans are there in huge numbers.
01:38It's been great atmospheres, and they've lost 12 of 13 at home.
01:43One and 12 at home in this great ballpark where they're getting all this support, and
01:50they're playing worse and worse as it goes along.
01:54And I don't get it.
01:55We had a nice road trip.
01:57Six games.
01:58Won four of them.
01:59Swung the bats.
02:00Offense looked lively.
02:02Looked dangerous.
02:03Looked deep.
02:04Come home.
02:05None of that.
02:06Well, I mean, you know, when I say that, come home and win the first game.
02:10Well, no.
02:13It's just, you know, you end that losing streak against the Nationals on Friday night,
02:17win 5-0, and then nothing.
02:20And then that very, very good.
02:24Dave Fleming joining us here on the Morning Roast with Spadoni and Shaskin.
02:27There's a little of an iffy connection right here, so Dave, we're going to give you a call
02:30back here in just a second to sort that out, but it's a great point.
02:33And we'll get Dave back here in just a second.
02:341-12 at home.
02:351-12.
02:36I didn't even put two and two together on that.
02:381-12.
02:39You gave me the stat of the day, quite frankly, Joe, and we were going about this before the
02:44show started.
02:45It's the one or fewer runs since the acquisition of Rafi Devers.
02:48What was that again?
02:49You wrote it down.
02:49It was 11.
02:50Since the acquisition, it was June 15th.
02:52Well, what did I say to you in the green room?
02:53I go, I bet you it's close to 15 times that they've scored one or fewer runs.
02:58Which I was like, I don't believe that.
03:00And we went through the schedule and we counted together.
03:02And it's literally them, the Rockies, and White Sox are some of the worst.
03:06One or fewer runs since June 15th.
03:08Listen to who your company is.
03:10The White Sox and the Rockies.
03:11Two of the worst teams in baseball.
03:13Yeah.
03:13By the way, you lost to those teams a couple times, by the way, already.
03:17You lost a series to the White Sox, quite frankly.
03:18I would rather be the White Sox.
03:19Well, you know, the White Sox know they stink.
03:22There is something to be said about knowing where you're going.
03:25You're not going anywhere.
03:25That's why it's frustrating with this Giants team right now, Joe.
03:29Because you had some expectations heading into the season.
03:33And it's middle of August right now.
03:35And it feels like we're at the same point as we do have Dave back here on the Morning
03:40Roast, courtesy of River Island's Dave Fleming, Giants Insider, Voice of the Giants.
03:43And Dave, we'll just bring you right back into the conversation.
03:45When we're talking about expectations for this team, when they acquired Rafi Devers, I remember
03:50we had you on, we had Jim Bowden on.
03:52We had a lot of guys that are really deep into baseball talking about the expectations
03:56where, hell, not just make it to the playoffs, but make noise in the playoffs.
03:59And, you know, how just frustrating is it since the Devers' acquisition on June 15th,
04:05Shasky gave me the stat, they've scored one or fewer runs 11 times?
04:0911 times.
04:10I mean, I don't know how you fix that with just, you know, adding in the offseason.
04:16That's a conversation for another time.
04:17But this team's inability to get multiple players playing well at the same time, why
04:26can't they do that, I guess, is what I'm asking.
04:30Yeah, I don't know.
04:31I don't think there's a simple answer to that.
04:33I don't blame Devers.
04:34I mean, Devers has been their best hitter now for weeks.
04:38And Devers is fitting in, and Devers has a great attitude, and he works hard, and everybody
04:43likes him.
04:43Like, this isn't like, oh, this guy showed up and everybody's miserable.
04:46Uh-uh, that is not what has happened here.
04:50So I just, I'm not saying you guys are doing it, but nobody should be pointing the finger
04:56at Rafi Devers and saying, man, he poisoned this team.
04:59That is not what has happened here.
05:02Yeah, I don't know how you explain it.
05:04What if they had 33 games this year where they have five or fewer hits?
05:0833 times this year they've had five or fewer hits.
05:11And they just can't put together quality at-bats in bulk.
05:19They, you know, one guy will, Dom Smith will have a great at-bat.
05:22Devers blasts a home run.
05:24Casey Schmidt has a really good game.
05:26But they just haven't been able to do it.
05:29And I don't know why.
05:30I mean, I, you know, Adamus has been so hot and cold.
05:34Um, and the hot has been really good, but the cold is he got an infield hit the first
05:40at-bat of this homestand.
05:41He doesn't have a hit since then.
05:42And he's hardly been on base.
05:45You're talking about now you've played five games here at home and he's been on base maybe
05:50twice with an infield hit and a walk.
05:53Um, and he keeps coming up in big spots.
05:55Matt Chapman, you know, I think part of this is I look, I'm not making excuses for anybody,
06:01but Matt's hand isn't right.
06:04You know, he's, he's got other stuff that's bugging him.
06:06He plays hurt.
06:07You love that about him, but he's compromised.
06:10And so it's hard for Matt, I think, to get in a rhythm.
06:14We've seen little glimpses of it, but I don't think now maybe he would argue with me on that,
06:19but I don't think he's close to a hundred percent healthy.
06:22So those are two obviously very important guys.
06:25Jung Woo Lee had a really good road trip and now, you know, has come back home and, uh,
06:30is kind of back into his same kind of rut.
06:33Jung Woo needs to be on base more often.
06:36We see what happens when he's on base.
06:38He creates chaos.
06:39He's a good base runner.
06:40Uh, you know, that hasn't happened.
06:42So you're talking about three veteran anchors of this team.
06:46Uh, your catcher who's playing just about every day is still hitting 200 for the year
06:51with two home runs.
06:52One of them was an inside the park home run.
06:55Um, you know, we're looking around baseball.
06:56I was watching the ninth inning yesterday, Logan Ohoppy in Anaheim.
07:00He's got 18 home runs.
07:01Cal Raleigh's got 46 home runs.
07:03Uh, you know, the giants catching position this year is hitting one 85 with like four
07:10homers.
07:11Uh, so there's just some, there's some real tough spots in that lineup that have persisted
07:17for the course of the year.
07:18I I'm rambling here, you know, listing off all the things that have gone wrong and why
07:23this team hasn't been able to score.
07:24I also really, truly believe that this team did get derailed by group getting hurt and
07:32birdsong getting out of whack.
07:34And this team had a nice sort of easy formula of even through offensive struggles of hanging
07:41in there and really pitching and, uh, winning a lot of those close, low scoring games.
07:46And that has kind of gone away and their run prevention hasn't been nearly as good.
07:51And, you know, no matter what you think about the offense, this is still going to be a team
07:56that needs to lean into, we play in this home ballpark, we got a pitch, we got to play
08:01defense, uh, and that hasn't been quite as good.
08:05And I'm not blaming those two young guys there.
08:08They have bright futures.
08:09I have high expectations for both of them, but the giants were a little thinner maybe
08:14than we all realized.
08:15And when those two guys went down, there's been a cascade effect.
08:19I think from that, you know, Dave, we've talked, I feel like for a decade about getting younger,
08:25getting more athletic.
08:26And I look at where baseball is evolving to with being only able to throw over two times
08:31to first base with the bases being a little bigger with the running game being such a prevalent
08:37part of specific teams is like skillset of winning.
08:41Like, you know, there are teams that that's how they win.
08:44Um, 2019, third worst, 2020, fifth worst, 2021, middle of the pack, 2022, ninth worst,
08:512023, dead last, 2024, second to dead last, 2025, dead last in stolen bases.
08:58How do they fix this?
09:00It like you referenced the jungle league thing, him stealing that bag in New York and then the
09:05ball squirting away and him going to third and taking, taking a triple on that play.
09:09I thought he was going to ease up on a double is a great positive step forward, but that
09:14is one guy like team wide.
09:16They are just so station to station.
09:18And I thought Monday night's game was a great kind of tale of a guy getting pitch run for,
09:24uh, in, in Gavin sheets.
09:26And that guy scores, who's the pinch runner by a step or two speed is a huge element of
09:31the game and they just don't have it.
09:33Yeah, they don't.
09:36I mean, it's true.
09:37And, you know, they're kind of locked into a team now.
09:41Um, you know, Devers is not going to be that guy.
09:44We have Devers is a huge asset for this team, but he's not that guy.
09:48Adamus is base stealing is basically falling off a cliff this year.
09:52Um, you know, he sold 20 plus bases last year.
09:56Uh, what does he have this year for something like that?
09:58Uh, Matt Chapman hasn't been running as much.
10:01He's got the hip thing, the hand thing.
10:03Like, uh, so you, those are guys who are in there every single day.
10:08Your catcher's not doing it.
10:10Um, Casey Schmidt is a good athlete and a pretty good base runner, like a pretty fast base runner,
10:15but not a base dealer.
10:17Um, so it is a, it's a big issue for this team.
10:22Um, and it would, it would be a big boost if they could get some more of that.
10:25I, I would say this though, if I were, if I were in charge, I would be more focused on
10:31how can we catch more balls in the outfield?
10:34You know, that to me, that is where the lack of athleticism on this team has really hurt.
10:40Like the chance, the, the, the percentage, forget all the, you know, baseball has all these
10:46advanced defensive metrics.
10:48Some of them I think are good.
10:50Some of them are predictive.
10:53Some, I, some of them I buy, but as a group, it's really hard for me to trust them all,
10:59all these defensive numbers.
11:01But I think if you just look at the bottom line, fly balls turned into outs percentage
11:07of balls in the air turned into outs 30th in baseball, the Colorado Rockies, they play
11:13in this massive ballpark where a lot of fly balls are going to fall in 29th in baseball,
11:19San Francisco Giants.
11:21They turn the second fewest percentage of fly balls into outs.
11:26And I thought that Monday night game was another example of that.
11:30Like, or maybe even the, the, a couple of the games over the weekend where there are these
11:37balls.
11:37You look at the exit velocity readings.
11:39It's 90, 92, they're kind of hanging up there and somehow they're all falling in.
11:45And I don't know why that is.
11:48Jung-Hoo Lee has the capability of being a much better center fielder than he has been.
11:52Part of this is probably just, just a lack of experience.
11:55And they need Jung-Hoo to really be more assertive, more of the captain out there.
12:01He got hurt with the collision with the wall.
12:03There's lots of things going into this.
12:05Ramos has just not been a good left fielder.
12:09And, you know, Ustremski's still a solid player.
12:12His numbers had really tailed off.
12:15Matos has been a really poor defensive outfielder when they've given him a chance.
12:20That doesn't work here.
12:21And you've got a pitching staff that, you know, outside of Webb and Roop is a fly ball-oriented
12:27pitching staff.
12:29I love what you're saying about the steals, but I'm even more concerned about that.
12:35I think they've got to address that in the offseason.
12:38Your outfield defense has to be a strength of this team.
12:40So what do you do with Ramos, then?
12:42Because, you know, he's been an adventure in left field.
12:44And I've heard from, you know, various people who are like, well, we actually think he's
12:48a right fielder.
12:49And, I mean, it's tough.
12:50I mean, you saw Gilbert the other night.
12:52He's playing so far off the line to guard into Triple's Alley.
12:55You know, it's like he's struggling out there, and he's got some speed to him.
12:59So what do they do?
13:01I mean, I know they tried Tyler Fitzgerald in right.
13:03Is Ramos going to go to right?
13:06I don't know.
13:07What do you do, then, with your outfield?
13:09Yeah, I don't know.
13:10I mean, I think Ramos, if it were me, I would take a look at Ramos back in right field and
13:15just see if maybe there is something to that.
13:18Because I think when we saw Elliott first play right field, it looked pretty good out
13:23there.
13:24He looked pretty confident.
13:25He was a capable, not a gold glove caliber, but capable center fielder when he was playing
13:33center field.
13:34So I think I would try that and just see if maybe there is something about that look and
13:40that angle that doesn't suit his eye.
13:44You know, you hear people say sometimes, you know, players, even elite athletes, they have
13:48one dominant eye.
13:49I know it sounds kind of crazy, but it could be that the way the ball comes off the bat
13:54when you're on that side of the field versus the other just makes him less comfortable.
13:58I don't know.
14:00It'd be worth trying.
14:01I think Gilbert's got the tool set to be a very good defensive outfielder.
14:06I expect he's going to get a good long audition.
14:10Obviously, he's got a lot of learning to do at this level, and you're going to take some
14:14lumps with him if you're playing him a lot.
14:16But I would be willing to take those lumps, I think, and just figure out, is this a guy
14:21we really feel like can help us?
14:23Because he does have that kind of skill set and athleticism.
14:27Lee's your center fielder.
14:28Maybe you could consider in the offseason, like, how can we go get a plus defensive center
14:35fielder and Jung-Hoo shifts over to a corner, and maybe you feel like then you've got more
14:40range out there.
14:42All those are questions you can consider.
14:44But you're right, with Ramos struggling the way he has defensively, it kind of, it does
14:49lock you in.
14:50You have a little less flexibility.
14:52Talking with Dave Fleming here on the Morning Rose, Giants broadcaster on our 95s in the
14:55game, Giants Insider.
14:56I'm glad you mentioned Elliot Ramos, because we've been playing this cut, Dave, all day
15:00on the show, because it just feels very, you know, exemplary of where Giants fans and some
15:06of the players are at.
15:07I'm going to play it for you real quick and ask you a question, but this is Elliot Ramos after
15:10the game last night.
15:11I mean, it just sounds like a guy in a team right now that feels just so defeated.
15:26Are you getting that sense at all?
15:28And can there be a spark for this team going forward?
15:31And what would that look like?
15:32Yeah, that's, those are good questions.
15:35You can hear it in his voice.
15:37I said it on the air last night, and it's probably the first time I've said all year anything
15:41like this.
15:42But I think whatever inning where the ball got by Schmidt, the little weird liner, and
15:49went into center field and they gave up another run, that inning was over, and they walked off
15:54the field, and it was like a slow walk.
15:57It was not a peppy, let's go grab the bats and a hit.
16:02It was a, you know, what else can go wrong kind of walk.
16:07You know, you had a pop-up drop, you had a balk, you had a 74-mile-an-hour line drive
16:12that went right by your second baseman, and all that was in the first few innings last
16:17night.
16:17And it's like, I do think there is an element of this team that is prideful.
16:22They're veteran, they've been around, they have big expectations of themselves, and they've
16:28watched this thing sort of slip away.
16:31And I'm not saying the season is over, but I think the body language and the energy level
16:36would definitely say this is a group that has lost some of their enthusiasm, not because
16:43they don't want it, but because they realize the math right now.
16:47And that sucks.
16:49I mean, it does.
16:51Nobody wants that.
16:53And Elliot, that was perfect from Elliot.
16:56That is exactly the way everybody's feeling.
16:59Like, who knows what to say about this?
17:03Everybody's underperforming.
17:04How do you explain that?
17:05How do you explain that, like, a bunch of guys who have big league talent and track records
17:10are all struggling?
17:13I don't know how you explain that.
17:14I don't know that there is an easy explanation, but that's the reality right now.
17:19Man, what you're saying kind of ticks me off.
17:21And I get what you're saying.
17:24There's the human element, but my goodness, there's this pride.
17:27And, like, I remember hearing Melvin on Sunday.
17:30He more or less called them out regarding the effort level and how the fans are showing
17:34up and we aren't, as in the players and the guys in the dugout.
17:38He did the same thing, like, three months ago, and they responded with, like, a 6-7 game
17:42winning streak.
17:42What does it say about this team that they haven't responded to that?
17:46And we're getting the vibes that you're alluding to.
17:50Yeah.
17:50I mean, it probably says that these guys are not dummies.
17:56I mean, they look around and see the Padres playing as well as they are, the Cubs playing
18:01as well as they are.
18:02Even with the Mets' struggles, you know, these guys look at the standings.
18:08They know there's 40 games left.
18:11And, you know, you've got three teams ahead of you for the final spot and you're six games
18:15behind that spot or whatever it is.
18:18You know, I think some of it is just the cold reality starts to settle in.
18:23And some of it is, you know, those individual players putting a lot of pressure on themselves
18:28to perform.
18:30And then when it doesn't happen, I mean, you know, I'm calling out Adamas a little bit
18:34for this homestand.
18:36It's five.
18:36That's five games.
18:38You know, five games is not very much.
18:41Everybody has five games.
18:42Shoei Otani has five games where he doesn't play well.
18:46But when it happens this time, when you're so urgent to, you just can't survive it, it's
18:53discouraging and dispiriting.
18:55But I'm with you.
18:57Like, you don't, you never want to see a team that looks like it's sort of, you know, just
19:03sort of come to the realization that it's not happening.
19:05That's a terrible feeling.
19:08And, you know, you'd love to see just more energy and fight.
19:15The problem is, is the problem is it's easy to say you can run to the bat rack.
19:20You can high five everybody.
19:22If you're not hitting at all, you know, that it's just that enthusiasm goes away and they
19:30have to figure this out.
19:31There's no explanation.
19:33This is not a, the ballpark's big.
19:36The weather's cold.
19:37The weather's been good.
19:38The ball's been carrying.
19:39The Nationals had 17 hits on Sunday.
19:42The Padres are hitting home runs.
19:43This is not, you can't blame the ballpark for this, but they've had 13 games.
19:49They've lost 12 of them and they've scored 23 total runs in those games.
19:54Like you can't, you cannot win.
19:57I don't care how good your pitching staff is.
19:59You can't win like that.
20:01And that, that takes away that.
20:03And that, that explains everything.
20:04It like it, all the enthusiasm, the professionalism, the fight, the, it just saps it.
20:10It just does.
20:11And, uh, you know, that's what I think that's Elliot's voice right there.
20:15Like we've got, what did he say?
20:17We got to do it.
20:17You have to, at some point it just has to happen.
20:20Yeah.
20:20Like stop talking about it.
20:21No meetings, no yelling, no pep talks.
20:24Like, and if it doesn't happen, then, uh, then you get what this last couple of weeks
20:29has been like.
20:30Yeah.
20:30And it's, um, I think it's making a lot of science fans irate.
20:33Look, we're questioning the manager and his fit long-term.
20:36We're questioning, did we sign the right guys?
20:39Uh, we're questioning, did we make the right trades?
20:41You know, how do we make this thing better?
20:43All these things are up in the air.
20:44And there's like this one little glimmer of hope down in AAA.
20:49And that's Bryce Eldridge.
20:50And I know you're probably rolling your eyes that we bring this up, but I'm now like thinking
20:54long-term and I'm starting to go into the off season.
20:56And I know you don't want to make any rash decisions right now, but I, are they going
21:02to bring them up this year?
21:03And then B, how do you balance playing him and Devers first base in DH when, when it's
21:09pretty known that very few guys can only DH and Devers wants to be out in the field.
21:14He doesn't want to be just a DH.
21:16And I'm just, I'm looking about how they can kind of tinker this thing.
21:19And I'm, I'm wondering how they're going to figure this out because I think the, the
21:23Bryce Eldridge handling could make or break a lot of these fans that are just, they're
21:28dying for one silver lining here.
21:30Yeah.
21:31And I, and I do understand that.
21:33And it's really exciting to have a guy, um, like Bryce down so close at such a young age.
21:40Like we have not had a player that this is the first giants player sort of at that talent
21:46and production level, that young sense buster.
21:48Um, there've been a lot of other, been a lot of other talented players, uh, but this
21:54is the, this is the first one of these kinds of talents that the giants have had in a long
21:59time.
21:59So I do understand and I understand why everybody's asking about him.
22:04Um, and I think the question you ask is a fair one, although I think there's an easy
22:09way to divide up the playing time first in DH.
22:12I think a timeshare with those two guys and let them both play out there, uh, is, will
22:18work just fine long-term.
22:20I don't think there's any problem with that.
22:22Um, and you know, maybe Devers ultimately is okay with playing a little more DH.
22:28Um, maybe it takes a little pressure off Bryce initially, not to have to stress about the
22:33defense so much and let him acclimate to being a hitter at this level.
22:36And then you can kind of ease them in.
22:38I think there are lots of possible positives to sharing those two.
22:42The main thing is it's really exciting to dream about the power of those two guys together
22:47in the middle of a lineup.
22:49Um, and that's something the giants haven't had for a long time as for this year, he's
22:55still striking out a lot.
22:56And, you know, the thing about AAA, like AAA has changed over the years and is AAA full of
23:03like, you know, future big league stars.
23:06It is not what AAA is full of is a bunch of veteran players who've had a taste of the
23:12big leagues and can spin the ball and change speeds.
23:15And in the lower minor leagues, it's, you know, it's a lot of sloppy breaking balls and
23:21big fastballs.
23:22And so, I mean, Bryce is crushing fastballs, which is a great sign.
23:27Giants sure need more hitters who can hit fastballs.
23:30That is a, that is a really good sign, but he's also getting exploited at age 20, you
23:37know, where he's five, six, eight, 10 years younger than the guys he's facing.
23:42He is swinging and missing a lot at off-speed stuff and off-speed stuff down.
23:47If you just watch the at-bats, it's a lot of change-ups and sliders low.
23:52And it's just, this is a sport of reps.
23:55He just needs a little more time to see those pitches.
23:58He's going to get it.
23:59This guy has big aptitude.
24:01He's going to lay off those pitches right now.
24:04Uh, the, the wily veterans of AAA are, and you know, when he makes contact, it's incredible.
24:09Like the guys, he's hitting the ball harder than basically anybody in professional baseball,
24:15other than O'Neal Cruz, his exit velocity readings are just stupid off the charts.
24:21So when he connects, he's got an incredible power, but he's got to connect more often.
24:29And that's, that is not a flaw.
24:31This is part of the learning process.
24:32So anyway, Bryce Eldridge, he is going to be here.
24:36If it's this year, I don't know, but I think the Giants are rightfully saying we need to give this guy some more reps down there just to help him not get swamped when he gets up here.
24:49You want him to be ready to, it's, there's always going to be a learning curve, but you want him set up for success here when he gets here.
24:56And I do think they're right to say that he needs a little more time down there.
25:02Dave, great stuff.
25:03We greatly appreciate it.
25:04There's a lot of frustration happening about it.
25:06I can hear in your voice, I can hear in the broadcast, but doing a hell of a job.
25:09And we greatly appreciate your time this morning, man.
25:11It's going to be better.
25:13It's always better than that.
25:14I mean, the road trip was better.
25:16That's a, this has been a very frustrating team.
25:19Everybody knows what this team is capable of.
25:22Uh, and that makes it more frustrating when they're not performing.
25:25You look at the Giants roster, they have a lot of good players on this roster.
25:30So, you know, maybe all it takes is one game and you, you, you feel better, but gosh, they need it.
25:36Hey, Dave, I'll give you one nuggy nug.
25:38This is a rare stat.
25:40Okay.
25:40To make you smile.
25:42Shohei Otani is the first player in baseball history to be embroiled in a real estate controversy lawsuit and lying into a triple play on the same day.
25:53We got that going for ourselves.
25:55I tell you one thing about Shohei, man, it ain't boring around the translator and the gambling and the real estate stuff.
26:02It's like, man, well, what exactly is going on?
26:06But the dude can hit.
26:07He can.
26:08I hate him.
26:09God, he's so good.
26:10You got college football coming up here, buddy.
26:12You're going to do just fine here.
26:13Don't worry.
26:13There's no way Arch Manning lives up to the hype, right?
26:16It's going to be hard for him to live up to the hype.
26:19He's going to be good, but it's that I feel for that kid.
26:23If he's not perfect, it's going to be tough on him.
26:26Well, Dave Fleming lives up to the hype every single week on the morning road.
26:30Dave, the legend.
26:31Have a good one.
26:31See you, Dave.
26:32Next time, maybe we'll try the video thing again.
26:35We'll try.
26:36It's okay.
26:36Just like the Giants offense.
26:37We're going to try, fail, and try again.
26:39Yeah.
26:39Yeah.
26:40Keep going.
26:40Keep plugging away.
26:41You rub some dirt on it.
26:43That's Dave Fleming who joins us on the River Islands guest.
26:45Sam's like, we've got to go.
26:47We've got to go.
26:47Well, we do because you're listening to 95.7 The Game, KGNZ FM, NHG1, San Francisco,
26:51and Odyssey Sports Station in the home of the Golden State Warriors and Valkyries.
26:54Always live in the Free Odyssey app coming to you live from the Laughing Monk Studios.
26:58And it's funny because we wanted to go, but as I'm saying bye to Dave, he's like,
27:02it's going to get better.
27:03And then he has like another two-minute response.
27:05He's like, he doesn't want to leave.
27:06I appreciate that about Dave.
27:07He cares.
27:07He cares.
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