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During a House CCP Committee hearing before the Congressional recess, Rep. Haley Stevens (D-MI) asked former Australian Prime Minister Scott Morrison and former U.S. ambassador to Japan Rahm Emanuel about policies that attack China and defend U.S. industry.
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00:00So, I come from Michigan, the industrial Midwest, the heartbeat arguably of our manufacturing
00:11sector and we have been dealing with the China consideration and the coercion consideration
00:18since before the great recession really woke a lot of people up.
00:23The illegal dumping, the currency manipulation, the challenges to our automotive industry.
00:31And I came into this hearing with, you know, questions about minerals because after a year
00:38and a half I've written this bill called Unearth America's Future Act.
00:42It's the CHIPS Act for Minerals.
00:44Mr. Prime Minister, we talked extensively to Mr. Rudd about this legislation, Ambassador
00:52Emanuel, I'd also love to talk to you about this.
00:54It is entirely comprehensive and it is a framework for how we can compete in the 21st century,
01:02the mid-21st century mark.
01:04I mean, we can and love to go back into history and look at this, but yes, we need to look
01:10the present in the face and the future that we're heading towards.
01:14What does this world look like in 2050 and who is leading the industrial rules-based order?
01:21My presumption on this and my charge as a federal lawmaker is to bolster the U.S. alongside our
01:29allies to achieve that goal for technology dominance, for industrial dominance, and any
01:36sort of trappings in terms of how governance structures can continue to bolster capital markets.
01:45But this kind of came out with Brown and her question, and Ram, you got to this, and I want
01:51to dig on it a little bit further.
01:54How do we reverse the trajectory here?
01:59How do we, and we're hearing a lot about the allies and that we need to work with others
02:06in the Indo-Pacific and ranking member, I appreciated your graphic, but how do we push back effectively
02:15and strategically?
02:16And can we continue to do things like AUKUS that is a great framework for us here in the
02:25United States of America and with our allies for technology development?
02:29And is there a vision or a path for us to do things like AUKUS, and when you were ambassador,
02:34I thought, well, maybe we can do JAUKUS.
02:37Maybe we can tie in and work more aggressively with our allies outside some of the constraints
02:43of trade relationships.
02:46So it's nice to talk about onshoring and reshoring.
02:50I know how to do it, and I think we've got a plan to do it.
02:54My bill is loan guarantees, tax credits, and an R&D center of excellence.
03:00Again, CHIPS Act for Minerals, because we can't do 85% to 95% processed over there.
03:07But can we just dig a little bit further while we're all still in the room and hearing all
03:11your fascinating responses about how we achieve this goal about 2050?
03:16And Mr. Prime Minister, if you'd like to start, that'd be great, too.
03:19Well, thank you, and thank you for the question.
03:21I'd start by saying a strong America is critical for that.
03:26I mean, allies and partners, yes, absolutely, and I think we've been saying that all morning
03:31and as the questioners as well.
03:34But for the allies and partners network to work, there has to be a strong core, and that
03:37requires a strong America, and an America with a strong industrial base in particular.
03:41One of the greatest successes the United States has had through allies and partners has been
03:46their sort of global security initiatives, whether it be in the Indo-Pacific, NATO, or elsewhere.
03:51And applying that same discipline of those networks into the economic sphere is critical to achieve
03:59that.
04:00But it doesn't work unless the United States itself maintains its leadership and keeps
04:06striking distance on these core things that are necessary.
04:10So I would agree with you.
04:11And what's frustrating from the Michigan perspective, sir, is we have a current administration,
04:1755 tariff announcements in 100 days.
04:19I appreciate how bipartisan and thoughtful we are here.
04:23But we've got billions of dollars of losses now coming out of our big three.
04:28We have the second fastest growing unemployment in the nation, in Michigan.
04:32You know, thank you, erratic tariff policies and all the hiring freezes.
04:37And this is not to get overly partisan.
04:39Cut the deal for Michigan.
04:41Cut the deal for Michigan.
04:42I'm not yelling at you about that.
04:43But that's what we need right here.
04:46I don't, I don't need, yes, I get what's going on with China and they hoard and we give
04:51them everything with the minerals that go into materials and that's rising costs on us.
04:57Cut the deal for us, right?
04:59Rom, did you want to chime in?
05:01It, Congresswoman, I would say, look, the past is a bit of a prologue here.
05:08There are three periods of great economic growth in America.
05:12One is after Civil War, one is the beginning of the 20th century, and one is after, at the
05:18end of World War II.
05:20What do all three have in common?
05:22Investing in America and Americans.
05:25Take education, land-grant colleges under Abraham Lincoln, universal high school education
05:30at the beginning of the 20th century, and the GI Bill, where education plank educated and
05:35trained a generation of Americans.
05:38You invest in Americans, there's nothing China's doing that's going to scare me.
05:43You invest in America, our research universities, our roads, our bridges, our technology.
05:48You dominate the rules of AI, quantum computing, biotech.
05:52There's a story just the other day.
05:54We're now, our major pharmaceutical companies, are now becoming more and more dependent on
05:59China's biotech sector.
06:01That used to be our play.
06:03If we don't invest in it, we're going to lose it.
06:06The one thing we know, you don't invest in it, lose it.
06:10And so to me, Michigan's fate is kind of a canary in the coal mine to the rest of us,
06:15in the same way that happened on the Ford plant in the south side of the city of Chicago.
06:20Actually, that plant, I don't mean to do this, exports to more markets around the world than
06:25any other plant in the Ford family here in the United States.
06:29You invest in it, Beijing, we're coming after you.
06:34There's nothing America can't do if you invest in both the American people and the
06:40American economy.
06:42The fundamentals of the public sector are in the rule of law, our research universities
06:48and our R&D capacity, and our ability to take risks, and the capabilities of both the brains
06:55and the bronze that make up this country.
06:57And I want to emphasize what the Prime Minister said.
07:01You can have all the coalition, and I'm for it, but there's only one quarterback.
07:09We proved that in Europe, we're proving that in the Indo-Pacific, and we can call the play.
07:15And I don't mean, I know Australia is a very important friend and ally, but I think he
07:18would emphasize that without the United States, there's a lot of independent countries.
07:22With the United States, you've got a team.
07:24I yield back, Mr. Chair.
07:27Thank you so much.
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