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Could be something? While Heat Champion Mike Miller believes Norman Powell won't be a needle mover. Are we still on the whale hunt?! Shaquille O’Neal and Mike Miller both think Pat Riley is up to something... He ain't done. Do these credible sources keep rain cloud Hoard away? Where is Pat Riley aiming? JFig comes in hot with back up!
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00:00Well, what happens when a brother is in the intangible play?
00:03I mean...
00:04We haven't gotten that far yet.
00:05Oh, we've gotten far.
00:06We have some.
00:07We have some.
00:08Haywood Highsmith.
00:09That's an intangible.
00:10Davion.
00:11UD.
00:12Davion.
00:13Davion Mitchell, yeah.
00:14He's known as a defender more than a scorer, but he'll light you up every now and then.
00:19Speaking of intangible.
00:20I mean, Davion needs a lot of room to shoot a three.
00:24An intangible who wasn't necessarily intangibles?
00:27Mike Miller.
00:30Eh, Mike Miller always could shoot, though.
00:33He could always shoot.
00:34He was a very skilled guard.
00:36Yeah.
00:36You have a weapon.
00:37He was kind of...
00:38He had a super weapon.
00:40It's intangible to me is like when you don't have a super weapon, so you got to rely on
00:44grit and art.
00:46Oh, grit.
00:46Grit is an intangible.
00:47Oh, that's the intangible.
00:48Grit.
00:48That's the first person.
00:50That's the first quality.
00:51When you explain a professional athlete or just an athlete in general, and you use terms
00:58that don't mean scoring or yards or points, right?
01:03That's an intangible.
01:04What's there between grit and motor?
01:06No, very similar.
01:08Grit.
01:08No.
01:09Grit is when you slap your hands on the floor.
01:13Talking about, I'm getting ready to play some D.
01:15Right.
01:15Right?
01:15That's grit.
01:17Motor is when you're all over the place.
01:20Like, you're diving at balls.
01:22No, I would think that'd be the other way.
01:23I thought, like, if you have grit, it's the guy that's, like, diving for the ball, like,
01:27scrapping, going for loose balls and everything.
01:30A guy that just has a motor is a guy that just never gets tired to me.
01:33Okay.
01:33I see what you're saying.
01:34Like, he just never gets tired.
01:35He's always running back and down.
01:36I just say he's always redlining.
01:38Right.
01:38But the guy, the grit, because, you know, he's the one that throws the ball off the defender's
01:44leg, goes out of bounds.
01:45It's like, yeah, like, you know, trying to get them amped.
01:48Like, almost like a Bobby Hurley.
01:50Kentucky Finns says Mike Miller forever has got a barbecue invite.
01:55Mike Miller, did you get that?
01:56Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:58UD's best friend.
01:59I think that's probably true.
02:00Yeah.
02:01Well, Mike Miller was on his podcast, The OGs, with Udonis Haslam and Mike Miller.
02:07And they were just, they were kind of just riffing.
02:10No guests.
02:10They were just riffing on Summer League and talking about some of the moves.
02:14And Mike Miller said something that was like, kind of made you go, hmm.
02:20I was talking about the Norman Powell move, right?
02:22They were talking about who they like in the East.
02:24And of course, Udonis hasn't picked the heat.
02:25And that's why we love him.
02:26Mike Miller, also biased, took the Orlando Magic because he reps Paolo Boncaro.
02:31He's a super agent now.
02:32Hey, but guess what?
02:34That dude's good.
02:35He is very good.
02:36He's very good.
02:37And Mike Miller said, we don't hear enough about Norman Powell.
02:40Norman Powell has never been a sexy name.
02:42He's an awesome basketball player.
02:43I still don't believe, even with that move, and the Miami Heat can hate me, I still don't
02:48believe it moves the needle for a championship, said Miller.
02:53But I do know, but what I do know is Coach Riley's not done.
02:59And I was like, oh?
03:02What does he know?
03:03What does he know?
03:05I would say this.
03:08It's almost like they've put all the pieces around and all of the help to interject a superstar.
03:18Yep.
03:19You see what I'm saying?
03:20Agreed.
03:21But it feels like he feels like Mike Miller, hanging out in Vegas with Udonis Haslam all
03:26the time, and you know, UD's on the ends, and Mike Miller's on the agent side of things,
03:30and also has Heat ends.
03:32Feels like an odd thing to just throw out there.
03:35You know?
03:35Like, if I didn't know anything, or I didn't want to know like I knew anything, I would
03:38just say, I hope Pat Riley's not done.
03:41But he said specifically, Pat Riley's not done, which makes me feel like he knows something's
03:46in the works.
03:49Oh, boy.
03:50What could it be?
03:51What could it be?
03:52Well, you know what?
03:53No, no, no.
03:54No, no.
03:54You can't get mad at me.
03:55Leroy.
03:55That's a logical leap to make.
03:58Leroy.
03:58Let's have fun.
03:59Because you know what?
04:00Starting next week.
04:01I'm going to have fun because he gets carried away.
04:03Let him get carried away because starting next week, it's going to be all about training
04:06camp, and that's going to be, that's, you know what I'm saying?
04:09After a while, we just had that discussion.
04:12We don't want to hear about, oh, wide receiver number five has a chance to make, you know,
04:16the Dolphins roster or whatever like that.
04:18Let's entertain his dreams or his thoughts of who the Miami Heat might be possibly targeting.
04:29As Tobin would like to say, which whale will they be hunting?
04:34I don't know.
04:35It's a great question, but I don't know.
04:37Which whale is available?
04:38I don't know.
04:39There is a whale that's available that we've been talking about this country called Greece
04:43for like the last week or so.
04:45Greek freak.
04:47Right.
04:47Mm-hmm.
04:48You know, who loves, you know, probably wants to stay in Milwaukee.
04:55Oh, look, a bird.
04:57Yeah, he really sold that one.
04:59I don't know, dude.
05:00I don't know what Mike Miller knows.
05:03Well, it sounds like he knows something.
05:05He sounds like he knows something.
05:08Well, he's an agent, right?
05:09He's an agent.
05:10You know what I would like to do?
05:12Agents do talk.
05:13I would like to put a shot collar around you.
05:16Why?
05:17Because every time you start reading way too much into stuff, I just want to hear you.
05:23How did I read too much into it?
05:24I literally, that's all he said.
05:26He said, Coach Riley's not done.
05:28Why would you say that if you didn't know something?
05:30Who would know more?
05:32Mike Miller.
05:32Who would remember UD?
05:33Mike Miller.
05:34UD would know more.
05:35Okay.
05:35But they're BFFs.
05:37And UD obviously can't say something because you want to know why?
05:39He's an executive.
05:40So what do you do?
05:41You let your agent with a big mouth say something.
05:44Of course he knows something's going on.
05:46He's an agent.
05:47He's a former Heat player.
05:48And he's doing a show alongside.
05:51You know who else he represents?
05:52Who?
05:53John Morant.
05:53John Morant.
05:54Oh.
05:55There you go.
05:56I don't want John.
05:57Whether you want him or not.
05:59That's not the question here.
06:01The John, listen.
06:03John moves the needle as far as excitement.
06:08Yeah, donks.
06:09But does he move the needle as far as competing for a championship?
06:12Well, I think his agent would say yes.
06:14I would say yes.
06:15I would say his agent would say yes.
06:16You would say yes?
06:16Yes, I would.
06:17Okay.
06:18You have a guy, last two minutes of a game, you have a John Morant and a Tyler Hero
06:24backcourt.
06:26I don't like this.
06:27With no defense being played?
06:29Well, you have Bam, you have Kalil, and you have Wiggy.
06:33Yep.
06:34But if you have those two, did you see what John Morant did against the Heat last season?
06:40Did I see it?
06:41I saw every buzzer beater loss.
06:43It was terrible.
06:45Yeah.
06:46That guy was amazing towards the end of the game.
06:50Called Kalil a pigeon.
06:52Yes, that's what he did.
06:53Yeah, called the rookie a pigeon.
06:56Kalil Ware called it a lucky shot.
06:58Afterwards, he was not happy.
06:59Yeah.
07:00Dade Sow says, Tobin has a surplus of snake oil.
07:04I don't like that.
07:05I don't like that.
07:05I don't like that.
07:07Surplus?
07:08I don't like that.
07:09Well, okay.
07:10What about this?
07:12If you thought Mike Miller was the only one to think Pat Riley's up to something, you'd
07:16be wrong.
07:17You want to know who else says it?
07:19So, here.
07:22Vlad, here's the portion of the story where Tobin will listen to anyone, even somebody
07:29he hates.
07:30If that guy says something.
07:32I don't hate this guy.
07:33That makes him feel good.
07:34I don't hate this guy.
07:34Okay, go.
07:35Who says?
07:35Shaquille O'Neal.
07:37Ooh.
07:38All right.
07:38He's giving you players.
07:39It's not like.
07:40I'm not giving you bums.
07:41He's not giving you NBA Central.
07:42I'm not giving you Miami Heat champions.
07:45He's not giving you scams, Shauna.
07:47Okay, go.
07:48What did he say?
07:49All right.
07:49So, he did an interview with Forbes.
07:51Forbes Magazine.
07:52Ooh.
07:52Okay.
07:53That's big.
07:55And, you know, he said, the Heat have always been an organization where they do great things
08:00and take pride in being in shape and playing defense.
08:02Norman Powell definitely gives them a lift, but I still need for them, I still need for
08:11them to have major impact.
08:12They think they need a big star.
08:15Yeah.
08:16All right.
08:17Nothing too crazy there.
08:19They got all the pieces.
08:19Like, I just said that just now.
08:21You did.
08:21You did.
08:22But you're not Shaq.
08:23Respectfully.
08:24They did.
08:25He says, they got all the pieces.
08:27All of a sudden, we listening to Shaq.
08:29About basketball?
08:30Can we hear him out?
08:31Just hear him out.
08:31We listen to Shaq every night, every Tuesday and Thursday.
08:34Can we hear him out?
08:35Can we hear him out?
08:36He said, they got all the pieces.
08:38They just need a big.
08:39They need a closer.
08:40A big time closer.
08:42I don't know what it is, but they're always going to compete and they're always going to
08:45make a run for players.
08:47When you're talking about Miami Heat culture, the culture which I helped create, it's all
08:53about championships.
08:55Do they have enough to win championships?
08:56No, not at all.
08:57But if you get them a closer, then we'll start talking championships.
09:02So Forbes then writes, Pat Riley, one of basketball's biggest legends, won three championships
09:06with the Heat, four championships prior as head coach of the Lakers and one as a player.
09:11Quote from Shaquille O'Neal.
09:12Quote, that's all he cares about.
09:14He don't care about winning.
09:15He cares about winning championships.
09:16If he doesn't win the championships, heads will roll.
09:20When asked about who those possible closers are that the Heat could target, O'Neal wouldn't
09:25get specific.
09:27Simply saying that, Riley, quote, has a lot of names in mind.
09:32A lot of names, says O'Neal.
09:34I don't want to get people in trouble.
09:37But he has a lot of names.
09:39First of all.
09:40End quote.
09:41First of all.
09:43Let's be clear.
09:44Let's be clear.
09:45What?
09:48Shaq talking about he helped build the culture.
09:50Yes, that was a whopper.
09:52Okay.
09:53But he did win the championship.
09:54He did win the championship.
09:55He promised a championship.
09:56He won.
09:56And he brought a championship.
09:57I'm going to also say this.
10:02Okay.
10:05Heat culture does not recognize Fat Shaq.
10:08That's fair.
10:09Okay.
10:10That being said, it sounds like he's talked to Pat.
10:13Pat.
10:14Now, I'll also leave.
10:16He's got a little whopper teller in him from time to time.
10:19The big whopper.
10:20Sometimes.
10:21Sometimes he will tell some whoppers.
10:24He's down with you, right?
10:25And Dr. Toboggan said it perfectly.
10:27I've never heard anyone take responsibility for creating heat culture.
10:31Well, that's Shaquille O'Neal.
10:33Which, if there's anybody who shouldn't be saying that, is Fat Shaq.
10:38Hold on.
10:38Don't call him Fat Shaq.
10:40I will not let this disparaging remarks about Shaquille O'Neal.
10:46I'm not saying he wasn't great.
10:47I'm not saying that.
10:48You misunderstand what I'm saying.
10:49He might have not started heat culture, but you know what he started?
10:53Heat championship culture.
10:54He did.
10:55Yeah.
10:55He did.
10:55So, that's what he's talking about.
10:57He's not talking about heat culture.
10:59Because if you listen to everything that Tobin just read, everything was all about championships.
11:04He even said, Pat doesn't want to win.
11:06Pat wants to win championships.
11:08There's winning and there's winning championships.
11:10So, to Pat, success is only about winning a title.
11:14So, that's why he was brought.
11:17And he did it.
11:18And he did it.
11:19And he did it.
11:19So, he brought championship winning culture.
11:22Two incredible seasons.
11:23Two incredible seasons and then fistfights.
11:26Now, again though, and you'll do this from time to time.
11:31Look at me.
11:32Look at me.
11:32Look at me.
11:32No, no.
11:33Don't do that.
11:33Look at me.
11:34I want you to look at me.
11:36No, you're side-eyeing.
11:37Stop watching the opens up there.
11:40Listen, you ignoring, you're doing this thing you do where you like to get held up on another part of the quote about heat culture.
11:47What about the part where he says that Pat Riley has a lot of names in mind, but he's being sneaky about it.
11:53He doesn't want to reveal, which to me sounds like he knows something.
11:56You want me to tell you what it sounds like?
11:58He knows something.
11:59It sounds like last time everybody opened their mouth and said, I want to go to Miami.
12:04And Miami thought they had an advantage.
12:06It didn't work out.
12:08Oh, so now he's going to zip it and just let it happen.
12:12But he knows, but you would agree then.
12:14You know something you would agree.
12:16So you're saying as well, son, you would, you would agree.
12:18They're well, son.
12:18You would agree.
12:19Yeah.
12:19I think what, what, what Shaquille O'Neal is saying is now, I don't know who that is.
12:27Okay.
12:28It'll be honest.
12:29It'll be LeBron.
12:30I don't know.
12:31Hard to say.
12:33It's hard to say, but Leroy, you're telling me in the same week.
12:36And you know what happens in Vegas?
12:39Hobnobbing.
12:40Okay.
12:41You're telling me in the same week, Mike Miller, Shaquille O'Neal, both had conversations.
12:51Riffin.
12:52And they say Pat Riley's up to something.
12:53You don't think that's a little, uh, J-Fig says no.
13:06Out of nowhere.
13:07Yup.
13:07What am I supposed to do with that?
13:09Dramatic entrance.
13:11Hey, J-Fig.
13:13I mean, like, sometimes, look, hey, I can be Jack Reacher every now and again.
13:18Okay.
13:18I don't think I'm reaching that much here.
13:20You're not reaching me.
13:21I don't think I'm reaching that much here.
13:22I don't think you're reaching here.
13:23You know, I would call you out.
13:26Yes.
13:26You know, I would call you out.
13:28I would, you know, but I'm like, I see it.
13:30It's got traction because you know why?
13:32It's not some, uh, what's, what's the word that they have, uh, for like news that are not,
13:40is not factual.
13:41They're like, it's not like some cheap fire.
13:44It's not, it's not.
13:44Cockshire, Cockshire, is that the word?
13:46It's, it's something to that word.
13:48It's something to that effect, but it's, it's not, it's not true.
13:51It's just speculation and everything like that.
13:53You said two legitimate sources.
13:55Yup.
13:56You said Mike Miller and you said Shaquille O'Neal.
14:00Why is it legitimate?
14:02Credible names.
14:03Yup.
14:03Two players who played for the Heat.
14:05Yup.
14:05Two guys who are very good friends with Udonis Haslam.
14:08Mm-hmm.
14:10And Dwayne Wade.
14:11Mm-hmm.
14:12One guy's an agent.
14:13Yup.
14:14So he has to talk to these guys all the time.
14:17And Shaq is Shaq.
14:18And Shaq is Shaq.
14:21I think you're coming around.
14:22I can see the look in your face.
14:23He's coming around.
14:24That's why it came up.
14:26I felt despair.
14:27Yeah.
14:27You don't want to relent, but I can see by the look in your face, you think something's
14:30up.
14:31The second you mentioned Shaquille O'Neal, he couldn't fight you on it.
14:34Oh.
14:35And then when he said the championship culture and I neutralized that by saying, uh, yeah,
14:39the Heat culture versus championship culture, I neutralized you.
14:41What do you say over there?
14:42Uh, what do you say there, Leroy Hoard?
14:44Pretty quiet over there.
14:45Yeah.
14:46You real quiet.
14:47You real quiet.
14:48I'm just listening.
14:48I've never heard you this quiet.
14:50Yeah.
14:50I know you love Justin Thomas, but you know, you're not, you're not looking for a putt from
14:54Justin Thomas.
14:54I know you're not watching golf.
14:55We'll see.
14:56We'll see.
14:58You're going to make me hit the, uh, promo lady?
15:00Yeah.
15:01He checked.
15:02He checked.
15:02He said it perfectly.
15:04Shaq also threatened to punch RG3 in the mouth.
15:08Yeah.
15:08Cause he's sick and tired of him talking about Angel Reese.
15:11He's tired of him, uh, of RG3's Angel Reese nonsense.
15:14And that's like Angel Reese is like a niece to him.
15:16Mm-hmm.
15:18Really?
15:18Yeah.
15:19Yeah.
15:19Yeah.
15:20Well, you see.
15:20Very close.
15:21See, he knows things.
15:22All right.
15:24We'll see.
15:24You won.
15:27I think, I think so.
15:29It's the closest I'm going to get.
15:31Well, here, I want things to happen.
15:35I see that right now they almost seem like they've built everything around it.
15:42Here's the thing I'm worried about to get any of those people you're talking about.
15:49What are you going to have to give up?
15:51Forget about that.
15:51You always want to do that.
15:52Why?
15:53Just enjoy the process right now.
15:54Forget about what we're giving away.
15:56Enjoy the ride, baby.
15:57And there could be things.
15:59If they have their eyes on someone, they know who they're going to give away.
16:03Exactly, Jennifer.
16:05And just so, like, you know, you, you go with that how you will.
16:09Okay.
16:10We'll take a break.
16:11Put Thomas up.
16:12Don't lose.
16:13Yeah.
16:13Don't lose.
16:13Don't get my hope.
16:14Hey, hey.
16:16Scream at that window from me, Tobin.
16:18Don't have Shaquille O'Neal and Mike Miller.
16:21Get my hopes up.
16:24And all you're bringing me back is somebody on a 10-day.
16:28All right?
16:29Keep offering.
16:29Don't do that.
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