00:00A bit better. Alex, this is one of your specialist subjects.
00:02What do you make of the fact the French have started slashing the boats?
00:05I just don't buy it. Do any of you really buy it that they're going to do this every day?
00:09It's theatre, isn't it? It's complete political theatre.
00:12I think you've absolutely nailed it, Patrick.
00:14Emmanuel Macron's coming over. He doesn't want to protest.
00:16He probably wants to come over all glorified.
00:19Look, we're stopping the boats now. Thanks for all that money you gave us years ago.
00:22We're actually doing the job you're paying us to do.
00:24I think it's a load of nonsense, Pat. I really do. Really do.
00:27Are you as cynical as I am, Christo?
00:28I am cynical because I always thought that they hid behind the law
00:32that once a boat is in the water, they're not allowed to actually puncture it.
00:37Well, they say they've changed it now.
00:38So now they can do that, apparently.
00:41They've changed the law.
00:44I don't believe it.
00:44So now we've got to hold them to account.
00:46We've seen them what they can do because I think most ordinary people
00:49looking at those police officers on the beach,
00:52watching those migrant boats go off right in front of them,
00:54and we know as a country we're paying them millions of pounds,
00:57most of us were just like, our jaws were on the floor.
00:59You're literally like, what?
01:00Common sense completely gone out of the window.
01:03So I think, actually, I know we want to be cynical,
01:06and I know we might think it's about Macron,
01:08and I'm sure that's part of it, but I think we should applaud it.
01:10This is the first time they've actually done something
01:13which all of us can look at and go, yes, common sense.
01:16People in a boat, get a knife out, slash it.
01:18But also, we also should glorify one boat of hundreds of boats
01:23that have crossed to the challenge.
01:24We shouldn't glorify the fact they've done their job once.
01:27If I did my job once, I would have been sacked a long time ago.
01:30And that's the reality.
01:31We shouldn't go, well done, France, you did your job.
01:33That's why I'm not giving it any credence.
01:36It's nonsense.
01:36It's like we've been given a little crumb.
01:38So I think we've just...
01:39Well done, British.
01:40Here you go.
01:4150 people, 20,000 more coming.
01:43Yeah, because the other thing is obviously going to be the follow-up.
01:46So when I was out there in Calais, what really stood out to me
01:49was there was a big, great, big migrant camp,
01:51and it's next to the sea.
01:52And the French hadn't even bothered to put a fence up.
01:55So there's no fence between that camp
01:57and where they walk across the field to get on the beach,
01:59to get the boats, to come to Britain.
02:01And I would have thought that maybe the least they could do
02:03was put a fence up, and they didn't do that.
02:05So I am very sceptical about this.
02:06The other thing is, what do they do once they've got them off the boat?
02:08Do they say, all right, go and have another go tomorrow?
02:10Is that what it is?
02:11They say, oh, you can just go back in, you know, rest up.
02:13Better luck next time, chaps.
02:14Let's be honest, it is mostly chaps, isn't it?
02:16But, Barry, what do you make of it?
02:17Because the argument would be that this is in some way
02:20a victory for Rebecca Cooper.
02:21She's got the French to change their law,
02:23and now they've seen them doing something.
02:25Well, it's not a victory until it is a repeated,
02:28habitual way of dealing with this.
02:31So I understand why you're sceptical.
02:34I think I want to be sceptical as well, you know.
02:38We didn't call them for 200 years the perfidious French for nothing.
02:42That's a good point.
02:43You know, but actually, I think let's see what happens.
02:48They have changed the law.
02:50Emily's right.
02:51And if we say to Macron when he comes over,
02:55oh, well, you've only done it once,
02:56that's not going to help the situation.
02:59So I think what we've got to say is, look,
03:01thanks for doing it, but keep on doing it.
03:03Guys, have we got footage of that?
03:04I think it's somewhere in there, isn't it?
03:05I don't know if we can maybe bring up the footage
03:07of the French actually doing it,
03:08because it was quite telling, really, I thought.
03:10They actually decided to go and slash the bow,
03:12and I think we might be able to show that in a second.
03:13But, you know, to Armand's point here,
03:16you know, this has cost us a huge amount of money.
03:18Do we honestly think that the French
03:20are going to continue to do this?
03:21I'm not sure.
03:22They are under pressure.
03:23Can I just say that there was a,
03:25there's a charity there, Project Play,
03:27which has basically said it's dangerous
03:30to pierce the boats
03:30because there might be children in the boats.
03:32They're not worried the children are in the boats
03:33when they're going across the saddle.
03:34What is it?
03:35They're worried about them being cleaners.
03:36No, but also, a child was stamped to death
03:39as the boat went into the water
03:41by other young male migrants.
03:44I just want to briefly say,
03:45there's only one way to stop the boats,
03:46and that is to start deportations in this country
03:48once we start deporting people,
03:50they won't keep coming.
03:51We need to grow up, we need to get some balls.
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