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The Jeremy Kyle Show - 2nd March 2018
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00:10On today's show...
00:12He's late from work. You don't go he's having an affair, you go he's messing around with prostitutes. Why? Why? Why do you...
00:18I have accused him for a lot of things, actually.
00:22How can you say you love me and we walk on the street and you're looking right, left and centre? I know what I've seen.
00:27How am I supposed to walk with my head down?
00:29Well, I walk on the street. Did you see me looking at the other man?
00:34Porn on the phone? What's that all about?
00:36I unlocked the touch screen because I wanted to watch the video and the porno was in front of me.
00:39No, you wanted to watch porno, not me.
00:44Did you want to watch porn?
00:46With him.
00:49We have to teach this to study a relationship with Sophia if you have sexual intercourse with anyone else, be it a prostitute or somebody off the phone, you said no. Why did you say no?
00:59They've only been together, what, four months?
01:02Yeah, four months.
01:02They're engaged. Why don't you like this girl?
01:04Because she's conniving. She's a grown kicker.
01:06You too, my son of a f***.
01:09Oh no, oh no.
01:10Oh no.
01:11I'm not coming back and I'm going home with my son.
01:13You're not no mother of mine.
01:15I want nothing to do with you.
01:16Why would you say that?
01:18CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
01:38Hello, my friends, good morning and a big, big work of the show.
01:41My first guest today, Sophia, is here to demand answers
01:44from a boyfriend, Attish, whom she suspects
01:46has been secretly meeting prostitutes behind her back.
01:49Dirty boy.
01:52Not only that, she says that he's been watching porn on his phone
01:55and is disgusted by the way he leers at other women in the street.
01:58She says she's had enough of his behaviour
01:59and if he fails the Jeremy Carl lie detector test,
02:01she says, I'm done.
02:03Massive day for this lady and very nervous.
02:05Sophia's on the Jeremy Carl show that way.
02:07You're from Greece.
02:17I am.
02:18I love it.
02:19Welcome to the show.
02:20Sophia, 38, boy from Attish, 36.
02:22Yes.
02:23Toy boy.
02:24Not really.
02:25Yes.
02:26No, he looks older than his age anyway.
02:28Brilliant.
02:29How long have you been with him?
02:31How did you meet?
02:32Actually, we used to be neighbours.
02:35You met him a year ago as neighbours.
02:37Are you living together?
02:38Yes, we are.
02:39Was it a quick relationship?
02:41Yes.
02:42Actually, I met him before I go to Greece.
02:44I came back after two months.
02:46He was actually living, well, all of us in the same place.
02:50And then, after a while, we started, well, it started with a one night stand.
02:55You had sex with him?
02:57Yeah, not straight away.
02:59Was it good sex?
03:00Oh, it was alright.
03:02Um, I had doubts early doors that this guy was messing around
03:08and now, says Sophia, I am 100% sure he's cheated.
03:12Why?
03:13Because there are so many incidents
03:15and the thing is it can be all a coincidence.
03:18You say it's the way he leers at women in the street.
03:21Yes, exactly.
03:22It makes me feel I've lost my self-esteem, I've lost my confidence.
03:27I think that I am the angriest person in the world, you know.
03:31You what?
03:32The angriest person in the world.
03:33Why he's looking at women like this?
03:34You are not ugly, you are gorgeous.
03:43Look at Steve.
03:44He's giving you the eye.
03:46Do you like Big Steve?
03:47Yeah, he's alright.
03:50Me or Steve?
03:55No, I would say you.
03:56Round of applause.
04:02He takes hours to come home from work and blames the traffic.
04:06Yeah, but for instance that he's like...
04:08But he has a long round trip, he's 140 miles to and from work every day,
04:11so it could be traffic-made.
04:12No, because before he used to work in heating, which is about 20 minutes from Luton.
04:20Right.
04:21And okay, he had to drop his colleague, you know.
04:24Drop his what?
04:25Drop his colleague from work at home.
04:26Oh, colleague, I thought you said trousers from home.
04:29You found porn on his mobile.
04:31I did.
04:32What sort of porn?
04:33No, why did I ask that?
04:34How did you come upon finding...
04:36Why are you checking his phone, woman?
04:37What's the matter with him?
04:38I didn't check his phone, I never did.
04:39How did you find porn then?
04:40Well, he came back at home.
04:41He left the phone on the table.
04:42What?
04:43Yes.
04:44And then I took the phone, I unlocked it to actually, you know, watch a video,
04:47and I saw the porno.
04:49And I said, how did the porno...
04:50What are you doing witching porno for?
04:52Um, we used to have sex seven times a day.
04:55Yes!
04:58What's wrong with... seven?
05:00Yes.
05:01You can't even go to the toilet seven times a day.
05:05You say you found a receipt for a Thai restaurant in his car.
05:08Yes, I did.
05:09Well, what's wrong with that?
05:10Well, because we never went to this Thai restaurant together,
05:14and I checked the card and the end numbers,
05:17it wasn't the same card, but to me that doesn't mean anything.
05:20But you've gone from, he's late from work,
05:22because maybe traffic,
05:23I've found a thing in the car,
05:25and we're not having as much sex,
05:27you don't go he's having an affair,
05:28you go he's messing around with prostitutes.
05:30Why?
05:31I have accused him for a lot of things, actually.
05:33I love the way you say actually.
05:35Say that again.
05:36Actually.
05:37Oh, brilliant.
05:38You've accused him of sleeping of prostitutes?
05:40Yes, I have.
05:41Do you really believe that?
05:42I don't know what to believe anymore.
05:44You say I have no confidence,
05:45he doesn't make me feel special,
05:47he should love his woman end of,
05:49I agree with that.
05:50He's done the lie detector,
05:51you say it'll be a miracle if he passes it.
05:53Yeah, I have doubts that he won't pass.
05:55What if he fails?
05:56I will be a free woman afterwards.
05:58Brilliant.
05:59What are the rows like at the moment?
06:02Oh, well, it's not a healthy life anymore.
06:05So today's about getting the truth, yeah?
06:07Yeah.
06:08Let's not be judge and jury,
06:09this guy could be absolutely innocent,
06:11the toy boy.
06:12I hope so.
06:13I see she's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
06:15I'll prove I've never cheated.
06:26I only have eyes for my missus.
06:28That's what I do.
06:29That's what I am.
06:30Good.
06:31So, let's cut straight to the chase,
06:34because you're obviously a hero.
06:35Seven times a day?
06:37Yeah, killing it mate.
06:38Killing it mate.
06:39She means everything to me
06:41and the accusations have got ridiculous
06:42and they need to stop.
06:43How bad has it got, Atish?
06:45Can't really work, you know?
06:46What?
06:47Yeah, when I'm working
06:48I'm having second thoughts, you know?
06:50About stuff she said to me and stuff.
06:51Have you cheated on her?
06:52Never.
06:53How'd you explain the Thai restaurant car receipt?
06:55It was a rental car.
06:56What, you rented it and then went and bought a meal?
06:58Yeah, my company gave me a rental car every three months.
07:01Yeah, but when I found the receipt
07:04it was nothing over there,
07:05it was just an empty bottle.
07:06And the receipt was dated,
07:07I didn't even have the car.
07:09Do you leer at women in the street?
07:10No, I don't.
07:11Yes, you do.
07:14You say, uh, she's actually horrible to me.
07:18I work very hard.
07:20I do everything I can.
07:22She seems to accuse me of meeting other women,
07:24leering at other women.
07:26It's ridiculous.
07:27I'm not like that.
07:28How bad is she to you?
07:30Very bad.
07:31How?
07:32Also, the accusation just goes on every day.
07:35And...
07:36Talk to each other, pal.
07:37Because of my colour, you know,
07:38she said something to me that really offended me.
07:40You know, and that was bad, you know.
07:42You were racist towards him?
07:44No, I did...
07:45Well, I was pretty angry,
07:46and I know I have said some bad stuff, but...
07:49You should never ever, ever say anything like that at all.
07:52I did, I have, and I did apologise straight away.
07:56What else, though?
07:57I mean, the two of you...
07:59Do you talk anymore, or has it just got to a point where it's just one...
08:02No, we do. We're good.
08:03How can you be good?
08:04You're on the Jeremy Kyle show?
08:06No, we do talk.
08:07No, we do talk.
08:08She doesn't trust you.
08:09She says a hundred percent that you will fail.
08:13You say, it's her issue.
08:14She's an angry person.
08:15She's got...
08:16What are her issues, then?
08:17Come on, talk to me.
08:18I'm telling you, like, you know,
08:20he even said to me,
08:21I'm gonna ruin your whole life.
08:25I didn't sort of expect the swear word then.
08:27I was a bit lost.
08:28Are you going to ruin his entire life?
08:30No, I was angry, and I said this.
08:31Do you love her?
08:32I do.
08:33A lot.
08:34Tell her!
08:35Talk to her!
08:36Yeah, but she don't listen.
08:37She's...
08:38Well, try.
08:39Yeah, but how can you say you love me,
08:41and we walk on the street,
08:42and you're looking right, left and centre?
08:43And you're trying to tell me that I'm not...
08:45I'm not doing it.
08:46I know what I've seen.
08:47How am I supposed to walk?
08:48Put my head down?
08:49Well, I walk on the street,
08:50do you see me looking at other men?
08:51How am I supposed to know where you're looking?
08:53Do I look at your face when you walk on the street?
08:54Ah, come on.
08:57But isn't...
08:58It's a story.
08:59Now, I'm probably going to say something
09:00that will result in somebody complaining.
09:01What's wrong with looking?
09:03It's like going to a library.
09:05Just don't take it out.
09:07Well, she does.
09:09Isn't it healthy?
09:10What's wrong with looking at the opposite sex,
09:12or the same sex, or what...
09:14But then you see the interesting thing is she says,
09:17and I think this is a lot to do with you,
09:19she says, I feel inadequate, I have no confidence,
09:22he makes me feel worthless.
09:23So is this more about you than it's about him, darling?
09:26Is it about your lack of self-esteem coming home
09:29and making him, I don't know, everything he does?
09:31No, no, because Mia wasn't like this,
09:33and he knows that very well when we first met.
09:35Well, like what?
09:37I was confident.
09:38What happened?
09:39What changed?
09:40After we got back together,
09:41and he didn't do this straight away,
09:43and he started doing this,
09:44of course I felt, you know, I felt insecure.
09:47He describes you as crazy.
09:49Yeah, he tries to...
09:50Well, we'll see what the light detector says,
09:52and we'll see.
09:53Are you going to pass?
09:54Yes, I am.
09:55How many people in this audience
09:56think a T-shirt's going to pass the lie detector?
09:58Put your hands in the air.
09:59Ooh, who thinks he's going to fail it?
10:02I'll bet you all.
10:04We're not condoning gambling.
10:07After this break is a T-shirt cheat.
10:09She says, I'm 100% sure lie detector next.
10:12I'm right back.
10:13Why was there porn on your phone?
10:15There was no porn on my phone.
10:16There was no porn on my phone, man.
10:17She was trying to watch porn.
10:19Yeah?
10:20And she told me to connect to the Wi-Fi
10:21so we can get through.
10:22Yes, T-shirt, what happens?
10:24That would be...
10:25Are you going to pass?
10:26Yes, sir.
10:27100%?
10:28I'm a person.
10:31You don't like the fact that he's happy,
10:33and you're hacked off that you can't live there with him,
10:36that you're the ones with housing problems,
10:37and she's getting...
10:38I'm not going to hang with you tonight.
10:39I'm going to hang with Katie.
10:40You should be happy for your son
10:42that he's actually found somewhere.
10:43This is your string, T-shirt.
10:45She does.
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11:16Thank you very much.
11:17Thank you very much.
11:18Thank you very much.
11:19Welcome back.
11:20What about Sophia and Atish Sophia?
11:21You met a year ago.
11:22It was so good.
11:23Seven times a day these two had sex.
11:25But you say on a serious note, you have no self-confidence, no self-worth, you'll
11:37leer at women in the street.
11:38Porn on the phone?
11:39What's that all about?
11:40It's not even porn on the phone.
11:41Well is she?
11:42What?
11:43It's not even porn on the phone.
11:44Why do you ask her?
11:45What?
11:46Ask her.
11:47It was, the phone was on the table.
11:50I took the phone, okay, I unlocked the touch screen because I wanted to watch a video and
11:54the porno was in front of me.
11:56And I said to him, what the porno is doing over here?
11:58Okay.
11:59And he said, it's because, you know, the phone is on Wi-Fi.
12:02And I was like, okay, but things that don't appear on the phone.
12:05Why was there porn on your phone?
12:07There was no porn on my phone, man.
12:08She was trying to watch porn.
12:10Yeah.
12:11And she told me to connect to the Wi-Fi so we can get through.
12:13I've never, you know, even I've learned how you connect to the Wi-Fi.
12:16But you know, if I go to a restaurant or a hotel and I, honestly, this is absolutely true.
12:20And I managed to work out how to get on the Wi-Fi, you know, to get my emails.
12:24Very rarely does a porn movie just suddenly appear on my phone.
12:27Right, suddenly appeared.
12:28You're absolutely convinced if he has cheated, what happens?
12:31That would be.
12:33You get a pass?
12:34Yes, sir.
12:35100%.
12:36100%.
12:37We asked a T since the study of your relationship with Sophia.
12:39Have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else?
12:41Be it a prostitute or somebody off the phone?
12:43You said no.
12:44Why did you say no?
12:45Because I was telling the truth.
12:46He was telling the truth, love!
12:47CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
12:50Thank you for your help.
12:52And a mean hand on that.
12:54Take a sec.
12:55Are you finished now?
12:56Yeah.
12:57I'm good.
12:58I have to go, you know?
13:00Hold on one second.
13:01You're standing very awkwardly.
13:02He's passed every single question.
13:03He's actually...
13:04CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
13:05Don't you want to be with her now?
13:06I do, but I do have to digest it, you know?
13:07I've got a lot.
13:08She's done a lot to me.
13:09That's true to that.
13:10Yeah, and I...
13:11I have to take my time, man, you know?
13:13I have to swallow it a little bit.
13:14Yeah, but the thing is, all this happened because I had, you know...
13:15She's still going off.
13:16I know I love you.
13:17Ah, I know I love you?
13:18What is that?
13:19You know I love you?
13:20I know I love you?
13:21What is that?
13:22You know I love you?
13:23I don't know.
13:24You know?
13:25I don't know.
13:26You know?
13:27I have to take my time, man.
13:28You know?
13:29I have to swallow it a little bit.
13:30Yeah, but the thing is, all this happened because I had, you know...
13:32She's still going off.
13:33I know I love you.
13:34Ah, I know I love you?
13:35What is that?
13:36You know I love you.
13:37I don't know.
13:38You've really upset him, do you know that?
13:39Yeah.
13:40You've said some terrible things, and I don't want you to take this the wrong way.
13:44This is absolutely all about your insecurity and how you see yourself, not him, and I haven't heard you once apologise.
13:52Since he did that, all you did was stand up and say I love you.
13:55What about sorry for humiliating you and being so horrible?
13:57Yeah, I did apologise to him before, and I will apologise to him again.
14:02Why don't you try now?
14:03I'm sorry.
14:04That's cool, isn't it?
14:06Um...
14:07I mean...
14:09I am one.
14:11You've proved you're innocent.
14:13She's now on the back foot, and you're back at seven a day.
14:17LAUGHTER
14:18APPLAUSE
14:19Well, they're getting on better. Good luck to them.
14:20Right, on the next guest today, Jane, is here to confront her son's fiancée, Katie, whom she claims is a cheat and only using her son's scot so she can get into his tenancy.
14:36She says that Katie is, frankly, a controlling bully, and once she fails the lie detector, she hopes her son sees sense and kicks this horrible woman out.
14:43This is one seriously angry mum. Jane is on the Jeremy Kyle Show that way.
14:48APPLAUSE
14:49You all right?
14:50Yeah.
14:51Scott's your son, his partner, um, of, uh, how long's he been with Katie?
15:03Um, four and a half months, something like that.
15:06Now, I just, I know you're nervous, I want you to speak up, cos you've had so much to say.
15:12Your only line to my team was, I hate my son's controlling girlfriend, she's isolated him, and within, I mean, they've only been together, what, four months?
15:18Yeah, four months.
15:19They're engaged and they're done. Why don't you like this girl? Come on.
15:22Cos she's conniving, she's a gold digger.
15:25How do you know?
15:26I gave him some money, she took it off.
15:30She took it off.
15:33She took it off.
15:34Mess!
15:35Look at them.
15:36Oh, God, I hate that woman.
15:38Why?
15:39When I gave him £20, she took it off him.
15:43Yeah?
15:44No!
15:46What?
15:47Scott's 22.
15:48And his own two feet.
15:49Help me out.
15:50Stop laughing, you're fine, I know you're nervous.
15:53What don't you like about her?
15:55You say she's bad news.
15:57Yeah, she is bad news.
15:58I think she's an alcoholic!
16:00Shut up!
16:01She...
16:02She...
16:03They want a baby!
16:04Four...
16:05Four months together and they want a baby.
16:07She wants his tenancy.
16:09I wanted to stay at his flat and he had to ask her first if his own mother could stay there.
16:16So you say she's basically putting the strings?
16:18Yeah, she is putting the strings.
16:19Uh...
16:20She threatened to hit my son with a frying pan.
16:22Yeah.
16:23Over...
16:24Over...
16:25Over...
16:26Match of the day.
16:27It was a joke!
16:28It was a joke!
16:29It was a joke!
16:30To me!
16:31Aren't you in danger of ending up doing what a lot of parents do when they can see that
16:36their kid's loved one isn't right?
16:38Isn't the danger that by saying I hate him, I hate her, you're going to push your child
16:42further into the arms of that person?
16:44Well, if she's cheated on him then...
16:47She's shady with her phone?
16:48She stays out?
16:49Yeah, his phone.
16:50Not her phone, it's his phone.
16:52But he's old!
16:54She takes her...
16:55She's a gold digger.
16:56She loans money off her family.
16:57She won't be getting any more money.
16:59You're convinced she's going to fail the lie detector.
17:01Yes.
17:02And do you think your son...
17:03Gold digger, man!
17:04Come on!
17:05Do you think he'll wise up and leave her?
17:07Well, I hope so, but I don't know.
17:08So today, today that's what it's about?
17:10Yeah.
17:11Do you love your son?
17:12I think he's scared of her.
17:13Do you?
17:14Yeah, I do.
17:15Fretting to hit him with a frying pan.
17:16Joke or not a joke?
17:17No, I think he's scared.
17:19Uh, so she says, you're rude, you've been no sort of mother, you're a bully, and you're
17:25basically jealous that your son's happy.
17:27That's what she says.
17:28Kate, listen, I'm just in the middle of.
17:30Being hidden a frying pan might turn me on.
17:32Katie's on the Jeremy Kyle show that way.
17:34CHEERING AND APPLAUSE
17:43One, I'm not a gold digger.
17:45Two, you're the one who's an alcoholic and a child free.
17:48Ro's an alcoholic.
17:49Oh, good.
17:50Three, if I wanna...
17:52You've forgotten number three, haven't you?
17:54No, I'm doing it now.
17:55Shut up!
17:56I'm doing it now.
17:57Not you then.
17:58I will never slap your son around the egg with a frying pan.
18:00Well, now, say it then.
18:01It's a joke.
18:02A joke.
18:03But you said it.
18:04He says it to me.
18:05It's a joke.
18:06No.
18:07For number four, we had you staying.
18:09And you're so nice to us, and once you go...
18:11You turned around and said...
18:12No, I'm not.
18:13No, I'm not.
18:14No, I'm not.
18:15No, I'm not.
18:16No, I'm not.
18:17No, I'm not.
18:18I'm not my son back, and I'm going home with my son.
18:21You're not coming to our wedding.
18:22You're not.
18:23She says that you are no mother, and rather than it being her who's trying to get his tenancy...
18:29Yo, shut up!
18:30You don't like the fact that he's happy, and you're hacked off that you can't live there with him.
18:35That you're the ones with housing problems, and she's getting...
18:38I'm not going to hang with you tonight.
18:39I'm going home with Katie.
18:40You should be helping for your son that he's actually found somewhere.
18:43You're just doing cheating, Des.
18:45I'm in love with Katie.
18:46Oh.
18:47I love doing that.
18:48When did I cheat?
18:49I don't need you in my life no more.
18:50I'm 20 on Monday.
18:51Hey!
18:52Don't sit down.
18:53When did I cheat?
18:54Have you cheated?
18:55No.
18:56Take a seat.
18:57Have you done a lie detector?
18:58Yes, I have.
18:59Why?
19:00Because to prove to her that cow there that I haven't cheated quite a lot on her son.
19:04You are.
19:05I'm twice a woman and you have a bit later.
19:07Apparently you told my team she's got in your face twice.
19:09Yeah.
19:10Have you?
19:11In the street.
19:12Not your sexual liar.
19:13In the street.
19:14No, I did not.
19:15Yes, you did.
19:16No excuse.
19:17No, no.
19:18Don't take this advantage of Katie.
19:19But if you went with Scott, I'll be there 24-7.
19:22No, I took it in my face.
19:24I would have been knitted flat because I knew...
19:26You've got more to say though.
19:27You say this is a bit damn rich from a mother who was an alcoholic and was no sort of mother to her son.
19:33Now her son's happy and a woman's come into his life and given him some stability.
19:37She's jealous basically.
19:38She is jealous, yeah.
19:39You've got to answer that rather than just laughing.
19:41No, I'm not jealous.
19:42I'm not jealous.
19:43Then why aren't you happy for him?
19:44He's made his bed.
19:45Let him down one night in him.
19:46Because he's a gold digger.
19:47You want his money.
19:48You want his life.
19:50How am I gold digger?
19:52You want a baby.
19:53How am I gold digger?
19:54To control him.
19:55Do you want a baby?
19:56Yeah, we're trying.
19:57After 16 weeks?
19:58Yeah, we're trying.
19:59Is he our job?
20:00No.
20:01Why don't you have a baby then?
20:03Because we want one.
20:04I'll pay for it.
20:05He'll be more under the thumb with you, won't he?
20:07He's never been under my thumb.
20:08Oh, no.
20:09So why did he go and see his grandmother?
20:11Well, I spent it because we went Monday.
20:13We went Monday.
20:14We spent all day over Monday because we didn't have fun too much.
20:17He was practically living with her.
20:19He can't go anywhere.
20:20Yes, he can.
20:21No, he can't.
20:22Yes, he can.
20:23Oh, with you, yeah.
20:24You told my team this woman you were bullied at school.
20:26I'm sorry about that because it's an awful thing for many people.
20:29I was bullied.
20:30You feel like this woman's doing the same.
20:31She's a bully.
20:32She says you're a bully.
20:33You just keep shaking your head.
20:34What have you got against her?
20:35Give me something tangible.
20:36I just want to know why you don't like me.
20:37Because you've got into it myself for watching Match of the Day.
20:40It's a joke.
20:41If you can't take a joke, that's your problem, yeah?
20:44If you watch the football, I'm going to smack you around the air with the frying pan.
20:47Yeah, that's what she said.
20:49Yeah, she grabbed his phone off him.
20:53But surely, with the grace and respect, it's up to your son to go,
20:57I'm not prepared to accept that and if he's going to come in.
21:00That's what he needs to do as well.
21:03Well, I knew yourself, I was like, what's between me and Scott stays between me and Scott's got to do with you?
21:08I don't give up.
21:09At the end of the day, yeah, right?
21:11Because when you leave him, who's gonna be picking up the pieces?
21:14It won't be you.
21:15Yeah, but that's life, isn't it?
21:16I'm leaving it, because I'm always doing it.
21:18I'm always doing it.
21:19I'm always picking up the pieces.
21:20What, so he always gets hurt, Scott, is he?
21:22Yes, always.
21:23So you're worried because of his history?
21:25Yeah, yeah, I'm worried.
21:26I didn't, so I was gonna wear some.
21:27I love your son to bits.
21:28Are you willing to marry your son?
21:30Well, the, um, the Thursday, the Thursday before we came to your, well, to Scott's, not because it's not yours, yeah?
21:39He used me today at four o'clock that day.
21:41Did you take the frying pan with you?
21:43No, there was no fine pan.
21:44You love Scott.
21:45Scott's on your side.
21:46And I love Scott.
21:47And I love him more than you'll ever love him.
21:49My God, this isn't a competition.
21:51You're his mother, not his girlfriend.
21:53But he's, I want, I do.
21:55You aren't a very good mother to Scott.
21:57I guess I reckon you're trying to make a lous.
21:59I want him to leave here with me.
22:00I know.
22:01I reckon you're trying to make amends.
22:02You're having a laugh because your son's not coming in with you.
22:04Because you weren't in his life as much as you should have been.
22:07And now he's got a woman who he's happy with.
22:09You don't like it, do you?
22:10He, he, he, he reason I wasn't.
22:12Go to a great man in the middle next.
22:13Don't go anywhere.
22:15I'm a partner.
22:16I was all, Gary.
22:17Because you've got nothing to do with this evil.
22:18Don't treat me.
22:19We asked Katie since the start of your relationship with Scott
22:22and he had sexual intercourse with anyone else.
22:24You said you were 100% sure that she'd fail, yeah?
22:37Thank you very much and welcome back for the break.
22:38Uh, Jane and Katie.
22:39Uh, you don't like this woman.
22:40Never have.
22:41Gonna fail the lie detector.
22:42You say, hold on a minute.
22:43I'm with you, son.
22:44I love you, son.
22:45You were no mother.
22:46You were an alcoholic.
22:47And you know what?
22:48He's not, he's happy with you, isn't he?
22:49He's happy with me.
22:50He's happy with me on the Jeremy car show that way.
22:51You want to shut your mouth.
22:52You want to shut your mouth.
22:53You want to shut your mouth.
22:54Because you've got nothing to do with it.
22:55Yes, I have.
22:56I'm your mother.
22:57You're not no mother of mine.
22:58I've got nothing to do with you.
22:59Why would you say that?
23:00Who are you?
23:01I'm a partner.
23:02I was all, Gary.
23:03Because you've got nothing to do with us either.
23:04Don't threaten me.
23:05He didn't say shut your mouth.
23:06He didn't say shut your mouth.
23:07Yeah, it's threatened.
23:08Look, you can tell.
23:09But just by stents.
23:10Are you married?
23:11You've got nothing to do with you.
23:12Because you're not even married to my mum yet.
23:13What's that got to do with it?
23:14She's my partner.
23:15Yeah, she might be your partner.
23:16Well, hang on, then.
23:17My partner is a wife for mum getting involved in my relationship then.
23:20They've been 16 weeks.
23:21You've got nothing to do with you.
23:22Because you've got nothing to do with you.
23:23Because you're not even married to my mum yet.
23:24What's that got to do with it?
23:25She's my partner.
23:26Yeah, she might be your partner.
23:27We've been together for two years.
23:28Well, hang on, then.
23:29Katie is my partner for wife for mum getting involved in my relationship then.
23:3116 weeks.
23:32You call your mum an alcoholic.
23:33She hasn't drunk for months.
23:34Because she is an alcoholic.
23:35She hasn't drunk for months.
23:36But she was an alcoholic, wasn't she?
23:37She had problems, then.
23:38And she wasn't a good mother.
23:39she wasn't a good mother and it would seem just help me out that the minute he gets happy with
23:44a woman even if she's the worst woman in the world he has to experience that for himself
23:47why doesn't she concentrate on her own life and let him get on with it and make mistakes
23:50i don't know if you want a good mother do i i don't know if you want a good mother
23:54that's all i'm concerned he used to go off to his used to play them both together
23:59hi do you look why have you gone back there i'm going to tell you something because i ain't running
24:04let me explain something to you right jane listen by your own admission you had some problems you've
24:09got over them you want to be a a better mother but stay out here listen to you darling seriously
24:14i love you more than she loves you it's the classic thing as a parent you have to let go
24:19you're not going to have a relationship with your son unless you accept his lifestyle choices and if
24:24he makes mistakes you're there but he always makes mistakes if you love your son you want to sort
24:32this out get back out here we're not having any histrionics welcome to the show scott what's the
24:36story well she's basically a controlling twisted basically that's your mother yeah well she's
24:42basically trying to control my life she's trying to tell me who i can and can't get with was she a
24:47good mum when you were growing up no was she there were you in care what happened i basically went to
24:52live with my dad at the age of 12. why because she was basically she was never there for me she's
24:57can you just get her back on stage please she was constantly drinking right so you hold that
25:02against her right we're getting to this now you keep flouncing off he went to live with his dad at
25:0712 because of your drinking true or false i didn't drink when he was 12. why did he go and live with
25:12his dad then because he thought the grass was greener when you find out that it wasn't because he came back
25:17you look smug about that as well no i'm not two and a half years down there within men you did spend two
25:24and a half i had no contact with you would it be better to suggest this right now i bet there's no woman in
25:29the world that you think is good enough for sweet little scott is there no right well there i've seen
25:36with my own eyes how she treats how many mistakes did you make in your life a couple right and if
25:42anybody had told you to do opposite to what you were doing at that time would you have listened
25:47maybe not right so the unwritten rule of being a parent is even if you know your kids are going to
25:51land up on their backsides right you give them some advice you let them make their own choices and if
25:56they go wrong you're there to pick up the pieces that is what being a parent's about that's it
26:00but they always do pick up the pieces that's your role that is your role it's a lifelong role
26:08and i've had enough you burn into our our relationship to do with you stop swearing it might not be to do with
26:17me it might be your son but stay out of it what goes on between me and scott stays between me and scott
26:23it's our relationship i don't get involved in your relationship if she passes this test won't that
26:28convince you to let him live his own life and you and he can have a relationship if you don't like her
26:33but you've just admitted on national television you wouldn't frankly like any woman which says an awful
26:37lot about you well nobody's ever good enough you know do i get involved in your relationship they've
26:44all they've all treated him like they all have i'm not going to treat him hiring her with the same
26:50thing why don't you let her because i've always got on with them his ex-girlfriends but we asked katie
26:56since the start of your relationship with scott have you had sexual intercourse with anyone else
26:59you said you were 100 sure that she'd fail yeah well she passed every single question
27:16just come with me you two this is ridiculous jane come here you cannot have it all
27:22i'm not walking i'm not doing this i spend my life stop stop stop
27:29he's your son right yes a lot of what you feel a lot of what you say is because you feel
27:35just do me a favor and stop swearing and shouting out okay a lot of your attitude i'm not talking about
27:39she's there so she can go she is part of what's wrong with this she's part of him
27:46and now i'm part of children i dread to think why that's what you're not having nothing to do with
27:52them anyway oh my god this is childish that's what you think i have got rights you know as a grandmother
27:58yeah i know and i will i will and he had rights as a son when you were getting drunk love
28:03he was 17 i started drinking listen to me listen to me he wasn't a child
28:10if you want to lose your son listen to me maybe she was at a bad point in her life
28:17if you want to lose your son a surefire way of doing that is to say it's either her or me i
28:23want nothing listen to me listen to me please that is his choice that is his right the problem
28:29you will have is if it starts to go wrong you go and bitch to your mother you live your life she's
28:33done nothing wrong you admit it out there nobody would be good enough for my son you can't live like
28:38that i understand the sentiment listen to me but you can you're not listening you cannot live like
28:44that babe because you'll end up with nobody let him live his own life be a mother and be there if
28:50it goes wrong and you just like your mother off she's trying her best you could gain a daughter here
28:57i was nice to you we put that for two days i was nice two days two days is katie really a horrible
29:06person absolutely not yes no she's not yes i've seen you don't like the fact you just don't know
29:11you assume how did you treat him how did you treat him how did you treat him but that's him to decide
29:20darling you are going to drive the biggest wedge between you and your son if you do not accept
29:25his choice is she's done nothing wrong swallow it or you're going to make a complete idiot of
29:29yourself i'll be there for when to pick up the pieces but that's it do you know who's acting like
29:34the child and i ain't following you anymore mrs well that's fine by us it's over and done with no
29:39you've walked off you've walked out of my life for good now see ya it's ridiculous and a shame and
29:46we'll do what we always do on this show which is to try and work with you listen a bit of advice if
29:51you're as good a person as i think you are don't slag her off a lot of it's guilt i think because
29:56of the past she's obviously had her problems you're happy you've every right to be happy
30:01she has to accept that whether she will or not we'll do our best to make it well but thank you
30:04for coming on give them a round of applause thank you thank you
30:08good luck to them we'll let you know right my next guest today alison is here because she is check
30:18this 99 certain that her son andrew stole money from a kitchen whilst his nan was literally dying
30:25in hospital she says that andrew has been a tea leaf since his early teens this is the last straw she
30:30insists that when he fails the test today check that when she says i've heard people say this on
30:35your show just but i mean i'm going to wash my hands for good of my boy i can't do this anymore
30:39she said i mean business i've had enough of how i and the family are being treated allison's next
30:44from the jeremy kyle show that way
30:53okay you okay you what i'm not gonna cry listen um first of all i want to say something to you i have
30:59total respect for you being here the hardest thing in the world must be actually to have a child and love
31:04that child and nurture that child and they take the wrong path and then you're out here doing this
31:08but it is the end for you isn't it the end there's no way forward if he fails andrew is your only child
31:16he's 35 years of age okay let's get that in mind he is my only child um let's talk about him growing
31:22up speak up a bit you say i mean in the introduction i said he's been stealing since he was a teenager
31:26yeah why got him the wrong crowd what possibly no idea um what andrew wanted andrew got he was always
31:33spoilt his dad spoilt the rotten um i was like the disciplinarian but didn't like being disciplined
31:38um and then he stole off his dad that was about that mind that was he stole my money tv ornaments
31:47stud money yeah now let's not lie he lost his dad at 13. yes 12 or 13 he was and that actually
31:55was the age at which he started no no it was before that because a lot of people would go the
32:02kid lost his dad and that's why his life's gone down the car he stole 1200 pound out of his dad's pot
32:07um give it away at the kids on the estate i know you've got a smile on your face because that's how
32:12people deal with nerves but i read something that that i think is really interesting you say
32:19he embarrasses you why embarrasses isn't the word for it shame it's the shame of it the shame of what
32:25because it's drugs as well right you didn't speak to him for 10 years what sort of drugs who wants a
32:28son like that who would do things like that you want to be proud of your child what drugs i've got
32:35no idea it could be cannabis heroin and he says he's changed you say you don't believe he can change
32:42everybody can change but if you told my team i'll eat the results card if he passes his lie detector
32:48i'll eat the results card i did have had a hat and he's got me that stressed it's unbelievable i can't
32:54eat i can't sleep you've been in three days if i lose any more weight yes well yes but if i lose
33:01any more weight you may as well hang us in the garden and i'd be a wind chime
33:04what's something like a stick insect tell me about what went missing this time that the amount
33:11of money oh this is if he has done it it's the lowest of the low and mum took ill that was the 27th
33:18of november she was took in the hospital she didn't like obstruction of the bowel but they couldn't
33:23do anything to operate it's you and your mum isn't it
33:26i lost my mum last year as well well this lady was dying in hospital you believe he stole a thousand
33:35pounds of money that you'd you'd saved or she'd given um no just says my dad's got alzheimer's
33:43and he's got his bank card she was like she didn't want too much money in the account in case he took
33:47money out and he he mislaid it i put it somewhere we couldn't find it so she says take a thousand
33:54pound out and put it away just so there's not too much money in the account so i went down to the
34:00bank we took the money out and i went home put it in the cupboard why i didn't just take it straight
34:05upstairs i don't know but i put it in the cupboard i thought i'd take it up later um but then going
34:09back to hospital back and falls hospital every day and never thought much of it and then a few
34:15weeks later i look and i thought hmm i must have took it upstairs then i thought and i had a little
34:20look and i thought it's not then i thought must be somewhere else so every other day i was like
34:24having a look no hiding place my hiding places were getting smaller and smaller i thought well where
34:28the hell have i borrowed i don't know but at the back of my mind i'm thinking no no he wouldn't he
34:35wouldn't do it what if he has because you told you wouldn't have known where where the money had come
34:39from you might just thought it was my money you're making an excuse for him regardless whether it's my
34:43money me that's what if he fails this test that's it he's gone one step too far this time a lot of
34:49people come out here and say that we only want people i've lost count how many times i forgive him
34:54it's umpteen times you angry with him very let's get him out i couldn't speak to him for over a week
34:58andrew's on the jeremy karl show that way
35:00you're waving at your mother for why because she's accusing us of something i haven't done right
35:15she should told you that i was on heroin when i was feeding because me dad was a heroin addict
35:19you on heroin now not now i'm not how long have you been clean for because your mum doesn't think
35:23you are i've been clean a couple of days i've used a couple of i used two days ago when you turn
35:29around the queues of stealing the money i used that day so you're blaming your mother for the fact
35:35that despite the fact you told my team you're clean you took heroin to substitute illegally against
35:41your methadone two days ago you took heroin i told the team i took heroin two days ago why would
35:46you do that why yeah because my head was on i'm being why don't you get on with behaving in the right
35:51way why don't you get some help why don't you change your life you're a tea leaf i'm on a methadone
35:59i'm a team why if you're on methadone why are you taking heroin then i've been out of trouble too yeah
36:05what do you want a medal or a chest to pin it on you took heroin two days ago you steal the money
36:11i didn't see any idea what you've done to your mother i don't know what i've done to my mom why
36:16have you done doing it i'm not still doing it we were getting on fine until you this money until this
36:23happened right i wouldn't say it's fine fine wasn't that long ago you see that lovely picture of you and
36:29your nan it was her money you nicked for your drugs was it yeah money i didn't make really
36:35you judge so you're making it out to be a fifa i'm not you've stolen all your life you stole 1200
36:41quid off your dad i was nine years old i've never stolen 1200 quid off my dad whether it was nine or
36:51forty nine doesn't make sense so what yeah so what yeah this is this is not what we're here for
37:00we're here to sort out well all the way through your nose you told my team you're a changed man
37:05and yet the first sight of an accusation two days ago you chose to take heroin why why because it
37:13was the first thing i've heard it back to because you're a drug addict aren't you yes so you seem to
37:17me you've never you didn't take before two days ago no why are you here why are you here i'm the one
37:27that run the showman who told you though you you told us to well why didn't you welcome you and i
37:33believe my mum is simply grieving for the loss of her mother and is taking out on me and i'm so upset
37:39because i've turned a corner the way she had a go at me it dropped me down a bit but i will 100 percent
37:45past this test yes who's um joe he's a friend that stares with me you share drugs or not
37:53eh joe's on the jeremy carl show that way
37:57do you have your drugs together joe you so has he changed his life
38:12partially but i i know for the fact we didn't take this money how'd you know that were you there
38:16because i live with them and i would notice a change what do you mean you'd notice a change well i would
38:22notice a heroine two days ago i went and borrowed the money oh who's from from your girlfriend i
38:30brought to blue-ray plot back into a thousand pounds huh it's a thousand pounds your dead
38:36grandmother's money did you steal it no i didn't steal it why do you think he stole it past record
38:43stole everything else answer you name it he's took it yeah and i admit to that so you understand why you'd
38:49be a suspect yes oh no i can see why she's blaming this i can have no sign by your mother do you know
38:56that well you're the only one in the house when your mother's your mother's embarrassed hello your
39:01mother's embarrassed by you yeah it's like so i'm embarrassed who cares read the results because i'm
39:08trying to sort my life out and every time oh yes sorry only 48 hours ago i took some heroin but i am
39:13indeed trying to sort my life out how does that work i'm on a method of doing well then don't take
39:18heroin then
39:21because if you don't methadone methadone means you're not going doesn't it
39:26it's not a methadone i used to be i used to be i take heroin what do you think if you knew how many times
39:31have i come up and lied for you so i wouldn't upset her what she never knew into heroin no how long
39:37you've been taking heroin kidder since i was 13. why is that because you lost your dad no because
39:42me dad was selling it and i used to drop it off for me dad that true well was that when you were
39:49living with him yes and my dad's friends used to give us heroin and when my dad died i was already
39:55addicted to heroin that's terrible by anybody's standards allison isn't it when you asked us about
40:01no sir on the bench in the kitchen do i lie to you then do i don't turn around to say yes we
40:06think is if you're going to be clean of heroin you would know this if you've been on heroin for 20
40:09years you would know you can't dabble with heroin you can't you can't go on and off it you're
40:13either you know yeah you're an addict or you're not an addict or you're not you can't just be an
40:17occasional give me those results will please i'm trying to get my life back to where i want i've got
40:23got me on flat do you want these yes i want them please you have to wait three minutes going to a break right back
40:30no i haven't talked to one of you i promise you help me team help me team you need to admit you
40:36smoke calories you said i wanted i said i wanted to do it years ago you were still smoking it two years ago
40:52welcome back uh andrew allison friend uh joe as well did you nick the money no
41:00and how do you know he didn't make the money because i would notice a change in him straight away
41:05you said you'd eat the card during the test andrew did cooperate but he appeared drowsy there's a
41:10surprise during the test andrew was not capable remaining focused there's a surprise
41:14his psychological condition was not acceptable for testing therefore i'm afraid to tell you
41:18just the test was inconclusive wait wait wait wait
41:26how's that he asked us to stay waiting concentrate on something i concentrated on one
41:31one was coming here joe go back through there i'll be coming here come here come here come here
41:41mom i haven't talked to one of you i promise you how many times have i heard it how many times every
41:45single time you do it wasn't me man i never did i promise i've never done it then why would i come
41:50down here to try and prove that i haven't done it because i pulled you out on it and you said and i
41:55says you phone i said i'll never speak to you again i said the only way i'll do is you phone
41:59jerry claire it's true and you prove it and i ran there and i did and then surprise surprise it's
42:07not coming back that i'm lying it's coming back inconclusive it's the same bloody thing
42:11it's the same thing uh-huh inconclusive is lying yeah it's just a commentary on the stairway yeah
42:18right anyone who don't do this very very very very differently and i don't know whether you
42:22understand how old are you 35 it's the best chance you've ever going to have of your life
42:26but i owe you something right when was the last time you took drugs lie to me and you've got no
42:31chance when was the last time you're off your head now aren't you sound like you're off your head
42:35come on mate you can barely string two sentences together when was the last don't two days ago
42:42and what about before that before that come on you haven't been clean on a payday you haven't been
42:47clean so you've been taking you have been taking it haven't you hello you've been taking it haven't
42:53with us all day you've been taking it more than just two days ago haven't you i take on a payday
42:59on a payday so you're just taking as she quite rightly said on a payday an addictive substance
43:08you're not nicking it or stealing for it or borrowing money to have it during the week
43:11so you can control it i'm not controlling it but i'm trying my best to control it
43:17i was on 90 millimethodone i've got down 90 millimethodone down to 60 millimethodone
43:22something to me look at me that's fine but why you're topping that up with heroin that will kill you
43:26is beyond me look at me the one thing i've learned over the last few years is this
43:32the only way the only damn way you are ever going to do anything with your life on this show is to
43:36admit it you're you're a heroin addict aren't you yeah why haven't you asked for help before
43:42because every time i ask you've got a way for this or you've got a way for that
43:46i got out of jail in 2015 clean off methadone clean off heroin
43:51what did you go to prison for 2015 so well why why are you there i mean finish what i've got
43:55the same thing did his father give it to him at 13 did his father give it to him at 13 more than
44:00lately well then he needs our help doesn't he doesn't he but if he was clean doesn't he i think
44:04i've got a 13 year old daughter i imagine somebody giving her heroin i imagine her life
44:09will be in the tuck carsy 20 years later but from your point of view woe is me i want you to open
44:15your mouth and admit the things that you've done did you steal that money no i didn't steal that
44:19money but you've stolen offer before yes and you've taken her in more than you've made out right
44:24and you've done anything you can to get your fix how bad is your life come on be honest how bad is
44:28it till two days ago may late was brilliant how in the hell can it be brilliant it's not brilliant
44:35i'm i'm getting i'm getting you know it's been in the cars since you were 13 of what you've just said in
44:39the cars he in that you've never come out with the grotescence i've come out the quarter 2015 i come
44:45home i was clean of everything why did you not speak to him for 10 years do you feel responsible
44:51in any way because i moved down south i was sent to live with my uncle just just let's just turn this
44:58around a minute why were you sending it with them can i just turn this around a minute i'm not going
45:01soft to me old age but so you've got a 13 year old kid really impressionable age who's under the
45:05auspices of his dad he gave his own son heroin he watched his dad die of heroin not having a go
45:13just saying then his mother ignores him for 10 years and he sent away to live with his uncle i'm
45:17not making excuses for his crimes or his addiction on the phone you know i was always oh can you
45:22send us some money i need money for rent i need money for lucky who was your hero dad what happened
45:26to you when he died i went over the rails what would he say right now what would he say what do you
45:36what do you say yeah no no no this is the best thing that's ever going to happen to you and we're
45:42going to do it for a reason i've been accused of something i haven't done right i'll tell you what
45:46do you want to know something get clean and prove it right do you want to i'm going to shock you now look
45:50look at me if you wouldn't get clean prove to me having a lie detector test no no no look at me look
45:56at me i'll figure you look at me look at me i'm going to shock you now i believe you didn't steal
46:03the money i didn't don't laugh but i'll tell you what i do know you've lied to yourself and to
46:10everybody in your life for too long i'll take all the story about your dad look at me you want my help
46:16really yeah if i want the help right you need to admit you smoke cannabis you said i said i wouldn't
46:23do it right years ago you were still smoking it two years ago until i come home when i was too well i was
46:28in 15. did you ask me that everything's coming out everything is coming out look at me look at me
46:39i said sorry mom i said i wouldn't do this he wants your approval so much you wouldn't believe it graham
46:44can you come here a minute and i know i'm not the pro but i just want to say something to you
46:48we've done an awful lot for a lot of people on this show right can we work with this guy and see can we
46:53look at me look at me look at me i like your honesty today she's gonna laugh at me maybe you
47:00nicked them i don't think you did but i go back to a kid at 13 graham his dad was giving him herring
47:04can we please do our best yeah this guy and help this guy maybe find him somewhere down the line if
47:08he can prove that he wants to change maybe talk about whatever you're going to do some counseling
47:12maybe down the line some rehab whatever but you have to be totally honest with me okay that's the
47:17one understanding that we have to have right now you need to be 100 honest with me do you want to help
47:23yes promise me yes
47:27i really appreciate you coming on thank you very much indeed
47:30that's well done
47:37good luck to them we'll let you know we'll keep you updated i am though for this morning out of time if
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47:48breaking the law it's just doing something someone don't like
48:00you must say i am judge and jury you are perverting the course of justice
48:07he's gonna be needles the back of these hours oh my god look at that that is absolutely
48:13disintegrating so you sold drugs today for that money how much is that you used acid on something
48:24threw it in his face you threw it in his face it was excruciating you have to pause as much
48:29standards as you can you know what the outcome is gonna be a lot more that would have said to me
48:34if that was your son and he died what would you say i'm obviously i don't have something to say
48:38then you're gonna have blood in your hands when you're out here you are on your own
48:42it's the first that's the point