00:00And yet, Kemi Beidnock's going further than reform and the burqa, isn't she?
00:05I mean, you have this internal squabble because someone decides that they might want to suggest banning the burqa.
00:11Everyone in reform, suddenly there's a tantrum and Yusuf strolls out and all the rest of it.
00:17Beidnock, to her credit, has said, actually, I think we should consider banning it in the workplace.
00:22Then when it comes to Trump-style travel bans, again, Nigel Farage says, oh, I don't think we can touch anything that right wing.
00:29And Kemi Beidnock says, oh, the Conservatives will consider it.
00:33Are you being outgunned by Kemi Beidnock of all people on some of these issues?
00:40Nonsense. What we've done is we've triggered a national debate and we're delighted.
00:43That's exactly what we want to do.
00:45Once again, the Tories are floundering, so they're having to copy reform.
00:49And Kemi's catching up. Look, that's fine.
00:51I mean, she said that, you know, we were just a fan club.
00:54I think Kemi's just jealous that she hasn't got any fans at all and she's sort of copying us.
00:59That's fine. Look, it's done for them, certainly in Scotland, as we saw this week.
01:03We're leading in the polls. We're setting the agenda.
01:06And we're showing people how to save tens of billions of pounds by the Bank of England.
01:10I'm completely unclear on burkers.
01:12Do you want to ban them or not? Yes or no, Richard Tice?
01:19We're having a... We've triggered a national discussion.
01:21I'm very concerned about them. Frankly, I think they are repressive.
01:24I think that they make women second-class citizens.
01:28We're a Christian nation.
01:29We have equality between the sexes.
01:32And I'm very concerned about them.
01:33And if someone wants to convince me otherwise, well, come and talk to me.
01:37But at the moment, my view is that I think we should follow seven other nations across Europe that have already banned them.
01:44If they thought it was a good idea, they had a national debate.
01:46Let's ask them why.
01:47So you do want to ban the burka?
01:50We have to learn from other nations.
01:52Have we got an exclusive on GB News?
01:55Richard Tice wants to ban the burka.
01:59Camilla, I'm repeating the language I've used for the last three days, which is I'm very concerned about it in a Christian nation.
02:06And the truth is, how many of the women who wear a burka wear it out of their own choice or because they're forced to?
02:14And that's not how we do things in the United Kingdom.
02:16I get all of the arguments.
02:18I'm just asking you a simple yes or no question.
02:20Your colleague, Sarah Pochin, tabled this in the House of Commons.
02:25You're the deputy leader of reform.
02:26You've had an internal party row.
02:29Yes or no?
02:30Do you think the burka should be banned?
02:32It's such a straightforward question.
02:36It is very straightforward.
02:37We've triggered a debate, which is great.
02:39And I've just said to you, I'm very concerned about it.
02:41I don't think it's right for the UK.
02:45And I think, you know, no one's convinced me otherwise.
02:48But I'm happy to have a debate.
02:49Let's trigger a debate, first of all.
02:51And here's the thing, Camilla.
02:51It doesn't sound like you need a debate.
02:52You don't have to have a policy as a party on every single thing.
02:55But you sound like you've got all of the...
02:56No, we absolutely do need a debate.
02:58But you sound like you've made up your mind.
03:00So why not just say now, with me, in answer to my straight yes or no question...
03:06I've literally just said to you, I want people to try and convince me otherwise.
03:11But as far as I'm concerned, I'm very concerned about it.
03:14Let's have that debate.
03:15Let's hear where the country's mood is.
03:17It may be different to these seven other European nations that have already banned it.
03:20Let's talk about it.
03:21Let's have that debate.
03:22That's a great thing.
03:23That's what you do in a democracy.
03:25You embrace free speech and talk about stuff and then make a decision.
03:28Just so I've got my head around it.
03:28Just because I've got my head around it.
03:30Just so I've got my head around it.
03:31Because I don't think anyone knows at the moment where reform as a party stands on banning the burqa.
03:36We know where Sarah Poaching stands.
03:38She wants to ban it.
03:39We've triggered a debate.
03:41Do you want to ban...
03:42You think we should ban it and you'd like to be persuaded otherwise.
03:45But if you're not, you would advocate a ban.
03:48Is that where you are?
03:50Yeah.
03:51If someone...
03:52If people don't convince me otherwise,
03:54then I'm for banning it.
03:56But as I say, I'm happy to have the debate.
03:57I'm happy to listen to the other side of the story.
03:59And I repeat the point.
04:00You don't have to have a party policy on everything
04:02in order to trigger a national discussion,
04:05a bit of a debate.
04:05And that's what we've done.
04:06And now you've got the likes of Kemi Baden not copying us.
04:09And that's fine.
04:10We lead the way.
04:11That's what we do at Reform.
04:12So I'll have to backtrack.
04:17Let's go.
04:25Okay.
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