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00:00So there were two questions that came to me first was that when you talked about the fact
00:12that there are people who find a very invincible position though they are at a stupid position.
00:20So I have come across such situations but but what should one do what is the appropriate
00:26is it that one should not even try to haggle along or fight along or what is the way, what
00:39should one do in such situations?
00:43What do you do when somebody closes the door on you and it's a thick iron door?
00:56Do you fight the door or the lovelessness?
01:05The lovelessness.
01:07You cannot fight the door.
01:08The door is the solid impenetrable argument that the person has.
01:15So you would be very stupid if you fight the door and start arguing.
01:21You have to understand where the door is coming from, where the argument is coming from.
01:25That argument is coming from a perceived lack of love.
01:32Address that and the door would be opened otherwise you can just keep beating at the door or trying
01:39to blast open the door and you will not succeed.
01:42Even if you succeed that would be a lot of violence and would be very meaningless.
01:51Arguments in general can convince someone only if first of all that person is prepared to
02:02be convinced.
02:04Are you getting it?
02:07An argument could be in the form of a narration of your position.
02:19This is what I think, this is what I feel, this is where I am coming from.
02:23And that's the argument.
02:25Or an argument could be in the form of an offensive weapon.
02:32I am not exposing my position.
02:37I am there to fight.
02:40I am defending my position.
02:44I am not here to expose my position and change it.
02:50I am here to fortify my position and fight to defend it.
02:57So in general, arguing with someone who is not in front of you for change does not help.
03:16First of all, it's difficult to beat someone purely by way of argument.
03:23Secondly, even if you defeat someone's argument, there is no way you have defeated his tendency
03:32or resolve.
03:36Just that the resolve will now get silent.
03:44Just that he will no more even speak to you.
03:50All that is no good.
03:54An argument helps only when there is right intent on both sides.
04:07It was very beautifully put by St. Kabir.
04:15It was about like, Jab talak Prem nahi kahe ka samwaad.
04:28And the second one was, Bin Prem ke maatra vaad vivaad.
04:39This is obviously not exact.
04:40Someone can search and let me know, but that's what he meant.
04:49The prerequisite is love and love is an openness.
04:53Love is a vulnerability.
04:56Without that all you will have is dry and meaningless and violent argumentation that yields nothing.
05:10The one that you are talking to, the one that you are talking to, is he even willing to listen?
05:17Instead of arguing, try to awaken his listening.
05:23Usually that deficiency in listening is just a deficiency in love.
05:44The next question is more of a derivative, as you said that the desire, one desire that grips you,
05:51is basically possessed by the power of every desire that you can have.
05:58A thousand watt.
05:59So, I just wanted to ask that if I find that the desires.
06:05A lot many cases that have found factually that the grip of desires have lessened.
06:12So, that means that the grip of the mind in general has lessened over the thing or is it that I am
06:19deriving it wrong as in the power, the total power, the total power, the total sum of power is if it is in one
06:26every desire that you can have, every desire that you can have, every desire that you can have, a thousand watt.
06:31So, I just wanted to ask that if I find that the desires, a lot many cases that I have found factually that the grip of desires have lessened.
06:38So, that means you have to keep examining what's going on.
06:51Examination helps you know whether the grip has loosened.
06:56So, that means that the grip has loosened of the mind as a whole.
07:01So, there is nothing except examination. Keep observing.