- 4/23/2025
Ryan sits down in Studio Z to chat with Andy Biersack from Black Veil Brides about music, comics, and movies.
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00:00All right. It is 93.3 WMMR, everything that rocks. Ryan here in Studio Z and through the power of the information superhighway, the place where I usually get memes and while people spoiling episodes of TV shows that I haven't watched yet.
00:12I am joined today by a true rock and roll renaissance man. He's got quite a lot going on right now, and that includes his upcoming release of his band's sixth studio record, The Phantom Tomorrow from Sumerian Records, and of course, the first single Scarlet Cross out now.
00:28Their name is Black Veil Brides, and I have the absolute pleasure of speaking with their frontman, Mr. Andy Beersack. Andy, how are you, my friend?
00:35First of all, what an introduction. I'm really hyped about myself right now. That whole, that preamble, like, I'm very excited to be me, which I believe you've now made my ego way too big for my own good.
00:46Well, when the touring situation happens again, if you want a Flavor Flav type to hype you guys up, I'd be more than happy to come on tour with you. No problem.
00:52Oh, yeah. I thought you were going to say when we come through Philly, you'll just, like, neg me for an hour to, like, balance out the scales.
00:58You know what, Philly, wherever you want. I'm overstepping my bounds with just Philly. So, we are a year into this craziness that was 2020 now coming into 2021.
01:06I always start with this, you know, just making sure you, your wife, Juliet, everybody in your house, everybody's doing okay, holding in there as best they can.
01:13Yeah, we've actually been, I mean, it's, you know, when this whole thing started, I think there was that weird kind of, like, floating period where you go, like, I had a year of touring planned.
01:22That's not going to happen. So, what happens? And then we both just kind of pivoted pretty quickly into making records and working on different projects and just kind of filling our time.
01:31And the funny thing is, you know, normally you'd be on tour for nine, ten months of the year. So, that would be your main focus.
01:37With this last year plus, you've had to, you know, we've got a bunch of different irons in the fire.
01:41So, I think in some ways, we're maybe more busy than the usual year just because we're, like, you know, trying to hustle and do so many different things.
01:48So, it's, but it's been a lot of fun. We've been really blessed that through this time where, like, a lot of people haven't had opportunities to do stuff, we've been given chances to make cool things.
01:56No, that's great. And one of the cool things, obviously, you and the boys getting together and we're getting a record out of it.
02:01The sixth studio release, The Phantom Tomorrow. Let me just get your first big overall picture of this record and then we'll kind of dissect it from there.
02:10Yeah, I mean, I think that, you know, when you're at the point in your career that we're at, I feel like the best thing you can have as far as, like, your music is to kind of know who you are as a band.
02:21And I think it takes time to get there. And I think there's this kind of fine line that bands walk between too much comfortability and feeling like they're just going to make the same record again.
02:30And then the confidence in yourself to go, let's try something different, but we know what the nucleus of the band is.
02:36And I think that from the beginning, there was a concerted effort to try to sound like Black Veil, but also take some different steps and some different choices.
02:45And working with producer Eric Rahn was a big part of that.
02:47Obviously, he's had a tremendous amount of success with Godsmack and so many other bands.
02:51And, you know, he was able to really bring us into a place that we really wanted to go as a band.
02:56And I think that as more songs come out from the record and as people kind of see it all unfold, they'll see that, at least in my opinion, there's been a huge evolution of the band from the 2018 release of Veil to now.
03:06And I think we've found ourselves again in many ways. And we're just the happiest you've ever been.
03:10And it's, you know, the brotherhood, if you will, is the strongest it's ever been.
03:14And we're just just having a blast, like, you know, and doing getting the chance to do these acoustic shows, just laughing with each other, picking the songs we're going to do.
03:21And it's just, yeah, it's a great time to be in this band.
03:25I love you can hear the joy in your voice. And I just love hearing that.
03:28You're no stranger to the concept record. And this one is that the Phantom Tomorrow, there's a comic book tied to this. Is that correct?
03:37Yeah, we're it's sort of started with me in January of last year, prior to the pandemic being a thing that we were aware of.
03:45Anyway, I started writing out just different stories.
03:48We had written pieces of songs and ideas and kind of knew that we wanted to go in this kind of grand direction.
03:53But there was nothing other than just like, you know, odds and ends.
03:56And I sat down at the kitchen table and just started drawing and writing.
03:59And a lot of the stuff, you know, when we've done these concept records of these ideas, a lot of it stems from just like, I'll sit and draw and write a story.
04:06When we did Ratchet and Divine, it was on a flight back from England, just on my notes and in my phone, writing out this whole story.
04:12And then when I landed drawing all these pictures and like that's kind of been if I'm able to be hit with that kind of creative inspiration or whatever you want to call it, it's really helped inform the rest of it.
04:21So by the time we went in with Eric at the beginning of February, again, prior to us knowing about the pandemic, we had started the process of like we knew what Scarlet Cross was going to be.
04:31That's the first song we wrote. We kind of knew what and were able to extrapolate from there.
04:35So, yeah. And the comic is essentially the idea is that we will I mean, look, it's still early days on the development, but the idea would be that per song there would be a story or issue within the series of comics.
04:48Now, whether that's going to be trade paperback and it's all these different stories at once or whether those are issues that are released separately, that's down to kind of the business end of how we figure it out.
04:56But, yeah, I mean, all I can say is right now there's a pretty big story planned.
05:02We've got action figures planned. We've got all this stuff to kind of surround the story.
05:05And for me, like that's incredibly exciting because I grew up such a fan of comics and wrestling and all these things, not as a sports and like the the the the kind of extra stuff.
05:16And I know people kind of complain about it in some ways because they're like, oh, you've got to focus on the music.
05:19But to me, it's like it's all fun and it's it's all kind of part of this what we do.
05:23So, no, I disagree with having to focus on the music you extrapolate, you know, all parts of your life to make music.
05:29And I think people really relate to that.
05:31I know you said you're kind of in the earlier parts of development for the comic, but the record is is done.
05:38Yes. Going to be coming out.
05:40The record is done.
05:41That is artwork is done.
05:44Release date is selected.
05:47Announcement date is selected.
05:48All that stuff is coming very soon.
05:50So we're in the days right now where it's just gaining, you know, everything we need to have so that we're ready to go.
05:56But, yeah, we're very, very close.
05:57The reason why I ask, obviously, we will figure all that stuff out when the time comes.
06:01But I'm curious when I actually get to my home and I get my CD vinyl, because I still believe in that stuff.
06:07I get the Phantom tomorrow.
06:09I sit down.
06:09I go home.
06:10I put it on.
06:11And if I listen to this thing front to back, if I close my eyes, I'm just wondering what type of comic book I'm going to see.
06:17Like maybe I see something like a Batman year one.
06:20And do I see something like the old school detective comics?
06:22I mean, I know you're a huge fan.
06:24We'll kind of touch on that in a minute.
06:25But I'm just interested what kind of comic book I'm going to see listening to this record.
06:29I was very influenced by the more deconstructed stories.
06:34You know, your Alan Moore stories, whether it's obviously before Vendetta or Watchmen or Swamp Thing or any of the kind of runs where he it was more grim and less about the fantasy and more about how bizarre the concept of heroes is in general.
06:47And so the story at the core of this story and kind of the initial inspiration for it was just this last year and really the last maybe half a decade in our culture where this obsession with putting all of your hopes and dreams onto an icon has existed, particularly politically.
07:06And how divisive that becomes within the context of speaking to one another.
07:10So if you have this, you know, we have a lot of close friends, I'm sure we all do, who they've changed as people entirely over watching like a documentary on YouTube or whatever it is.
07:21You know what I mean?
07:21And their perception on you or other friends or this friend isn't like this friend because of who they voted for or whatever it is.
07:27And all of that is stemmed from this idea that there are these icons that we put our hopes and dreams into.
07:34And in reality, and maybe this is pessimistic to say, but my perspective is always like they don't really care about you.
07:40Those people don't really know you or your family or the things that matter to you.
07:43And so I think we have this tendency now more than ever to build, like create avatars for who we'd like to be and spend less time on development, who we really are.
07:55And so in this story, we kind of have this hero who is a hesitant hero and ultimately sort of lets people down in a way that is tragic.
08:05And then those people potentially are there to turn on that hero.
08:09And the idea is, do you really need heroes or can you develop your own heroic tendencies?
08:14Can you be the person that you look up to?
08:16And sort of the inspiration of the story is how to find a way to be the hero that you wish so bad you have.
08:25Because not everyone needs to have an avatar.
08:27You can just be that person yourself or you can work to be that person yourself.
08:31I was excited before that.
08:32Now I'm very excited for this to come out.
08:35It's clear as a bell to see how much you love comic books.
08:40And I mean, just looking over your shoulders, I see Michael Keaton's Batman.
08:43I see, you know, a couple insignias.
08:44And you literally wear your love of Batman on your sleeves and other body parts.
08:48And I just, I love that.
08:50But I love it.
08:52I absolutely love it.
08:53It's basically as close to my face as anything could be.
08:56I love it.
08:57It shows how much you care about it.
08:59And there, you know, everybody cares, whether if you're that devoted to music, if you're that devoted to comics, it's just, it's what you love.
09:04And I love that.
09:05But everybody asks the question, but it's, it's important to ask, you know, if you could pick all these superheroes, you know, what drew you to Batman?
09:11Like why Batman over everybody else?
09:14Well, I've always, I've always been interested in, you know, it's the same reason that I like 80s horror movies or I like Spawn or I like my favorite wrestler when I was a kid with Sting or whatever it is.
09:24Like I've just always had this interest in the darker characters.
09:27But the thing that drew me above anything else, and I kind of almost later realized it was, as a kid growing up, I didn't have a lot of social interaction.
09:37I was very different to other people in my town.
09:39And when I went to school or whatever else, I would try to make everybody laugh.
09:45I'd try to entertain everybody.
09:46I would put on kind of this other person.
09:50And it was me inherently, but it was a better version of me.
09:54And it was a version that the world could see.
09:56And it didn't have all of the afflictions that I maybe had internally.
09:59And that's sort of what Batman is.
10:01And I did a record, my first solo record was called The Shadow Side, which is kind of the principle behind the idea that you have this darker version of yourself that exists.
10:10And maybe sometimes that's the one you project to people, and maybe sometimes it isn't.
10:13And I just, I've always liked the idea of a person taking the thing that they're afraid of and turning it into the thing that they present.
10:20That's their kind of forward-facing presentation.
10:23And so, yeah, I mean, and obviously just the aesthetic and everything.
10:26But I've just always liked the kind of core of what the hero is.
10:28And not having powers, but needing to be cunning, needing to figure it out.
10:33Because I related to that as a kid because when I first started at bands, everybody said I couldn't sing.
10:39People said I didn't have a shot.
10:40My voice was very different to anybody else's that was kind of in the scene.
10:42You've got to remember, when I started in this band, everyone sang like Tom DeLonge.
10:47Like, that was the bass level, like all rock bands.
10:50It was all that kind of, and there's nothing wrong with that.
10:52But for me to be like a raspy baritone singing in a scene where everyone is like kind of that nasally whiny vocal.
10:58I was immediately kind of told that I was terrible.
11:01And regardless of how good I was or not, and I've obviously worked to improve over the years.
11:05But like little things like that of like, well, I wasn't born with the superpower that you guys have.
11:09I can't open my mouth and sing like a canary.
11:11But I can work really hard to make what I have work.
11:14And it's just always worked for me as kind of a beacon.
11:17And it's obviously a, not a real story, but it's one that has worked for me as an inspiration.
11:24It's absolutely real.
11:25It's something that really impacted you.
11:27And obviously in a positive way.
11:30Side note, have you got a chance to watch the Snyder Cut yet?
11:32And if so, of course.
11:34Yeah.
11:34Well, you know, Juliet and I were able to break it up.
11:37But we've been so busy recently that we watched it like a television show, you know, because there's six parts or whatever.
11:43So we watched it, I think, like two parts at a time.
11:45And it was actually really enjoyable to watch it that way because you don't get some of my friends who have watched it in the four and a half hour version kind of get the fatigue by about three and a half hours in.
11:52But I just thought it was fantastic.
11:54And the thing is, like, I'm a fan of Zack Snyder.
11:56I love one of my favorite movies of all time is his Watchmen movie because I think it's such a great, not only is it a great representation of the book, but I believe that he improved the ending, which is a very rare thing to have with like a movie based on a book.
12:10So, and so, yeah, I like, I like his art.
12:13I know people get down on the slow motion and the kind of aesthetic choices.
12:17But to me, like, I like, like, I, I, I'm one of those people who like, you know, I make concept like rock and rock opera.
12:25Like, I get it.
12:26Like, I like big stuff and like, you know, big set pieces and all that.
12:29So it's right up my alley.
12:31There was also for me just a potency with Batman dropping a hard F bomb.
12:35I don't know what it is.
12:36I know, I think, I think, I think Juliet went, oh, shit, it just, it came out of left field.
12:43I just, it set the tone for it.
12:45Well, at that point, it's nevermind.
12:46Watch, watch the thing.
12:48More importantly, there's something you should be watching if you haven't already.
12:52And it's just released and a big congratulations.
12:55Paradise City on Amazon Prime Video starring one Mr. Andy Beersack.
13:00Congratulations on the release of that, my friend.
13:02And so just for everybody keeping score, it's a spinoff of American Satan, which you were in.
13:08Is that correct?
13:09Yeah.
13:09I mean, it's, it is self-contained enough that I don't believe you have to have seen the movie
13:12and, and Ash and everybody did a fantastic job kind of giving you a primer at the beginning
13:18of the first episode to kind of get you caught up.
13:19If you haven't seen the movie, obviously with anything where there's characters that are
13:23based in a previous work, it's beneficial to see the movie, but the show goes in different
13:28places than the movie did.
13:29There are some through lines where I think it would be helpful and why not?
13:33I mean, please go watch American Satan.
13:34It's, you know, it's, it's a great movie, but, um, I think if you're someone who just
13:37wants to dive into the series, it's, it's self-contained enough that it's not necessary
13:41to, and you will get quickly at the top of the first episode, you'll kind of get caught
13:45up.
13:45I, I always like, and recently I've kind of been looking at this where it's interesting
13:50how you do the shift from film to TV.
13:52I mean, the most recent case being WandaVision, um, you know, you have, you have this, this
13:56whole entity that's, you know, two hours long as opposed to this, you know, stretching, maybe
14:0110 hour thing.
14:02I always wonder creatively, like when you approach a character like, like Johnny Faust, is it,
14:07I don't want to use the word better, but do you find that you can get more out of doing
14:11a film out of doing a television show or is it two totally separate beasts?
14:16Yeah.
14:16I mean, I would say that, you know, at least in the, in the situation that we were in where
14:20American Satan was filmed relatively quickly, you know, the, the budget was obviously smaller.
14:25And so there was, you were kind of boom, boom, boom.
14:29You were, you were shooting stuff, maybe sometimes multiple locations at the day, you know, you're
14:33getting through pages quickly with the show.
14:35A great deal of time was taken to really make sure that the beats were correct and you, and
14:39you would spend a lot of time with the character and be able to, to work through things.
14:43So for me, you know, Johnny is one of those characters where in the movie, he is a much
14:48more hopeful and you're rooting for him to find his dreams.
14:53And then he kind of takes a divergent path and, and kind of goes to the dark, the dark
14:57side, so to speak, but you're still rooting for him.
14:59I think in the show, I sort of laugh because my job, and hopefully I was able to pull it
15:04off, is to make you still root for somebody who's making objectively terrible decisions
15:09and being very deceitful constantly.
15:11And, and it's sort of like the fun of that is to get to, to try to be the tortured soul
15:17that you want to root for, and also be consciously aware of the fact that the audience is about
15:21to see you in a very negative light.
15:23And in some cases, it's like, it's a, it, you can go either way.
15:27You could easily, you could easily, if it, if it's played a certain way, could see Johnny
15:31as the villain of a lot of these situations.
15:33And yet he's sort of one of the main heroes of the show.
15:35So you, you've kind of got to take a lot of time with that.
15:37And I certainly tried to convey that.
15:39I'm sure you absolutely did.
15:41I'm really, that's as soon as I'm done this and going home and starting.
15:43So I'm very excited for it.
15:45Awesome.
15:46Couple, couple more quick questions for you.
15:48Growing up in Cincinnati, is it safe to say you would consider yourself a diehard Bengals fan?
15:53Yeah.
15:53I mean, you can't see, cause like there's, you know, the light, but there's like, I think
15:57there's like four Bengals helmets behind me on the wall on this side.
16:01Got game worn, Ocho Cinco jersey pants and glove framed right here.
16:05Uh, I mean, this whole room is Bengals stuff and I have Bengals tattoos and I mean, it's
16:09I'm glad to hear that because, uh, growing up in Philadelphia, everybody around here,
16:14you know, eat, sleeps and breathes Eagles, everything, which personally I do.
16:18However, one of my best friends growing up, Sean is a fanatic for the Cincinnati Bengals.
16:23Like I've never met you or I will say other person that I've ever met.
16:27So I thought, what would a super fan want to ask a super fan?
16:31So I asked my buddy, Sean, what he would want to ask.
16:32And this is what he came up with.
16:34If you had the opportunity to take Chad Ocho Cinco Johnson to a McDonald's, uh, what are
16:40you ordering and what are you both wanting to talk about?
16:43Like, what would you want to ask him?
16:44I mean, I feel like he's got to do the ordering cause he's like the champion of McDonald's.
16:48Like he's been promoting the McDonald's lifestyle for, you know, close to 20 years in the public
16:52consciousness.
16:53So, um, you got to let him order, I guess.
16:56And then, uh, what we're talking about, I would just say, thank you.
17:00When I was a little kid, you know, I was born and raised in Cincinnati.
17:04Um, our, and as you said, there's, you've never met another Bengals fan.
17:09And it's always funny when I find somebody who's not from Cincinnati, you would show us
17:12the Bengals cause it's such an arbitrary choice, but born and raised there went to games every
17:16week with my dad.
17:17We had season tickets at the riverfront stadium, watching him play on basically concrete.
17:21Uh, cause it was one of those shared stadiums of AstroTurf.
17:24So there's like no grant, like just the weirdest situation.
17:27Um, but yeah, so growing up with that, the team was terrible my whole life and has been
17:32at times mediocre and mostly terrible for, you know, I'm, I'm just turned 30.
17:37So for the last 30 years, I never won a playoff game in my entire life.
17:41So like the, the fact that, and my dad is from, uh, Wisconsin and all of his, his family
17:47are big Packers fans.
17:48And when I was a little kid, that was like the whole family.
17:51His family were, you know, kind of very excited that the Packers were so good at Brett Favre
17:55and everything.
17:55And I can remember going to visit his cousins right around the time that Chad really got
18:01popular.
18:02And all of the, like the, the kids of his, of my dad's cousin were asking us if we could
18:07get them Ocho Cinco jerseys.
18:09And it was just such an interesting thing because it really took the team that like
18:14we were, I was always made fun of for being a Bengals fan, even growing up other people
18:18in Cincinnati, you know, the kind of fairweather fans or be kids who would decide that they
18:22were Steelers fans or whatever else.
18:23And being such a diehard fan, we never had anything that made us cool until Chad came.
18:27And then I'll never forget when he was on the cover of sports illustrated.
18:30And just like, it was just, for me, it was so cool to have this guy that everybody knew
18:34about and was like the star.
18:36And it was just a really exciting time when I was a kid.
18:38I love it.
18:39One of my favorite Eagles memories, we, Sean and I went, him with this proud Bengals gear,
18:43me with my Eagles and the Bengals won.
18:45And it was just, I couldn't just, I was so happy that my friend got to celebrate that.
18:48Obviously everybody in the parking lot, not too happy, but screw them.
18:51It's just the game.
18:51And if you love it, you love it.
18:53So I, I just, I liked, I love the passion about you.
18:55You just, everything that you've done and you do, it's just, you can just feel this light
18:59and this, this positivity and passion.
19:00I just really love that.
19:02I appreciate that, man.
19:03And I think you're wearing a star Wars shirt.
19:04So I think you, you understand like, yeah, there's a certain personality type and I don't
19:08know what it is, but like those of us who have big fandom and like really appreciate these
19:13kind of like pop culture things or whatever it is, like it is a passion.
19:17And to me, I take all that stuff and just try to put it into the world of, of hard rock
19:21music because that's, that's, you know, my chosen vocation, but I'm, I'm the same way
19:25about all of the, like, just the fan boy stuff.
19:28Like it's the same collecting action figures everywhere in this room.
19:31Like that's just kind of, to me, it's just taking that and putting it into the hard rock
19:35or heavy metal world.
19:36That's I love it because, you know, we here at MMR, we've been a rock station for the same
19:41format, same thing that we've been doing for over 50 years.
19:44I mean, you're seeing, you know, old school equipment back here that haven't been used
19:47in 20 or 30 years.
19:48So I mean, we're still doing this, this in a digital format, but it's, it's still the love
19:53of that.
19:53And my, my last question kind of ties into that.
19:56So on top of everything that you've thrown your passion into and everything you've put
19:59your love into, we can also add author to that list.
20:03And is, is the autobiography the correct term for?
20:06Yeah, I suppose so.
20:07I mean, it's, it's like a truncated autobiography because it's not, it's more just stories.
20:12I mean, it is in the autobiography format, but I kind of left it open enough that like when
20:17I'm older and in a position to like really write about my whole life, it's still on the table.
20:21These are more like vignette stories, but it does, if you're interested in knowing kind
20:25of about me or, or just the path of like somebody who I'm a kid from the Midwest, I didn't have
20:31a lot of like opportunities in front of me.
20:33I had to kind of create my own journey.
20:35And I, and I, the main goal of the book was try to show people that rock stars or musicians
20:40of popularity are not crapped out of the sky.
20:43In most cases, they're people who are just willing to work a little bit harder than the person
20:47next to them.
20:47And there's nothing remarkable about me or anything about me.
20:51That's so special that no, like everyone can do.
20:54I believe what I do, it just takes tenacity and it doesn't need to be exactly what I do,
20:58but you have to have tenacity and, and a lot of luck.
21:02You have to have people that are willing to support you.
21:04And I've been very fortunate in my life that I've had that.
21:07So I just wanted to tell that story because I feel like so many artists kind of give this
21:10false sense of impossibility to what this is and act like now that they're minorly famous
21:16or like, you know, a headlining band in some capacity.
21:20Now they're better than everybody else.
21:21And I'm not trying to call anybody out specifically, but there's just this air of like, I am otherworldly
21:26because I've, because you bought my records.
21:29Like it doesn't make any sense to me.
21:30So I wanted to be able to, to give the perspective of like, this is a, a, a, an attainable goal.
21:38If you want to do this and here's how I did it.
21:40And hopefully that helps people.
21:42I love that.
21:43I, I, I think that kind of answered my question was, you know, if you were, and by the way,
21:48the book is titled, they don't need to understand stories of hope, fear, family, life, and never giving in.
21:52So pick that one up as well.
21:53So, um, you wrote all this right before your 30th birthday and it's released a couple of weeks prior to your 30th.
21:59And I don't know.
22:00I mean, you, you might've, you might've answered right there, but I mean, I wanted to see if we fast forward 20, 30 years, you know, I I'm curious about what those next chapters would be like.
22:11Oh man.
22:11I don't know.
22:12I think, you know, I've always said, like the biggest goal I have with all of this is just to, to be able to decide for myself, like to be able to make a call on what I want to do next.
22:23Like that's the biggest gift you can receive in life is for people to give you the opportunity to make a decision.
22:30Oftentimes you're put in a position where the decisions are made for you by a lack of availability for, in terms of opportunity or a lack of interest or whatever it is.
22:40And I think the best life you can have in any field is if you're able to call the shots on, like, I want to do this.
22:45And then people say, okay.
22:46And I think that that would be the ultimate dream of mine would just be able to continue to make cool stuff and people go, okay, cool.
22:53Yeah, go ahead.
22:54Like that.
22:54You know what I mean?
22:55And, and I think it's like the, the point that a lot of bands or artists or whatever it is reach is you, you hit that crossroads where people stop saying, yeah, you should do that.
23:05And, and some bands get to do it forever and some bands reach a ceiling where people go, yeah, we're done checking out what you've got to say.
23:13And I think the biggest dream I have is just for people to, to allow me the opportunity to keep making stuff.
23:18Well, the sky's the limit for you, man.
23:20Congratulations on everything.
23:21So let's just run it down.
23:22Cause like I said, a true Renaissance man, and you really prove it.
23:24So the autobiography out now where, you know, Amazon Barnes and Noble, wherever you get books.
23:29And then the, uh, or excuse me, paradise city on Amazon prime video.
23:33Definitely watch that.
23:34American Satan also on there as well.
23:36And of course the upcoming record, the phantom tomorrow from black bill brides, the single scarlet cross out.
23:42Now you can hear it here, Andy.
23:43Thank you so much, man.
23:44This really was a pleasure.
23:45And when this is all over, definitely we'll come through Philly and we'll do this in person.
23:49Yeah.
23:49Thanks so much, man.
23:50I appreciate it.
23:51You've been so kind.
23:51This was, this was a blast.
23:52Thanks for having me.
23:53Thank you again.
23:54And, uh, yeah, side note.
23:55Thank you so much.
23:56We, um, I just watched the recorded, uh, songs and everything.
23:58It was really cool of you guys to do.
24:00And, uh, they sound fantastic.
24:01So thank you.
24:03Excellent.
24:03I'm glad to hear it.
24:04I'm very glad to hear it.
24:05And that was a lot of fun.
24:06So again, we appreciate the opportunity.
24:07All right.
24:08Until next time.
24:08Cheers.
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