- 4/22/2025
Pierre interviews Gavin Rossdale of Bush. They discuss Bush's upcoming tour with Breaking Benjamin and Alice In Chains, the formation of that tour, and their new album.
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00:00i know you've done a zillion of these so and i think you're coming in in a couple of weeks
00:04when you guys are nearby they told me you might stop by i don't yeah if that happens that's great
00:10um i've offered myself oh cool where where where when i'm in town and i said that on this tour
00:16i i yeah i've said i want anyone that one of us wants to talk to me and i come in and chat to
00:23and talk to and you know it's been a a desert an arid desert of pain for everyone for like two
00:31two and a half years and so there's something about this summer and this record that is a celebration
00:39of that we got through it now i know a lot of people didn't get through it uh and uh it got
00:45really terrible people lost their lives but we've been through so much and yet we're still here and
00:51it's the human spirit you know and i think that's just astounding you know i mean you know that
00:56you can sit next to anyone at lunch you never met before and they tell you what their story is and
01:01you really listen to them and you really hear them and you'll be shocked at what they the the courage
01:08they have to have in order to pursue go for go through things and i to me i think that's what
01:14this record sums up that's a fascinating point because um i often think the average people that
01:22you just walk past on the street or drive past in your vehicle um and sometimes you might get annoyed
01:29with them or sometimes you don't notice them but each of them have their own story and you have no
01:34idea what drama or trauma that they may have experienced and you're just walking right past them
01:41you know and they might have survived 9 11 or who knows what uh you just never know you know it's
01:47weird is it's like i mean i just first i'm just riffing on this it's like people are just it's defense
01:56mechanism to talk talking to defense mechanism you know if the the human you know the first job
02:01of the brain is to protect you from danger it's the first job it's the primary job keep from danger
02:08keep you protected as your brains jump and uh people just going through so much and they manifest
02:15in different ways you know uh the more aggressive the reaction to someone the more stuff is probably
02:20going on in their life you know it's like you're just a head trigger so anyway it's a it's a it's a
02:26great time to be going on tour and having this song this song just came out because we my manager
02:34made these um plans or like wanted this to say okay next year they have a record of that that's
02:41when there's no record and i'm thinking to myself cool okay gotta write that record you know bucket
02:47down mighty the record gotta play that song to the producer we're gonna play that song to chris
02:52they're gonna like it what are they gonna say they'll be like what what are we doing you know
02:56whoa i don't know about it so there's all these things and what i love again it's just the washing
03:01machine of humanity you get there bang we're on time you know any part of the process
03:08cogs in the wheels uh you know spanners in the whatever spanner in the works uh we would have
03:15missed the deadline wouldn't have the right record oh we're gonna oh i see you you know just be doing
03:20the show say pia i'm gonna go write this great record you i'm gonna tell you what's going on but no
03:24i we all achieved uh the position of being able to do it now it's finished singles out i'm talking
03:31to you and last time i saw you i didn't know that i was going to have this record i didn't know
03:35had this record in me wow you know why did i know that i didn't know that but what um what what
03:43brought it out every artist experiences different things and then um the really creative ones were able
03:50to uh manifest that creative process of what they've experienced into words and music in this
03:57particular case we've got a brand new record coming uh it's called the art of survival it'll be out
04:02october 7th the first song more than machines which we just got but what um specifically uh triggered
04:10um this record happening if you will i mean i was i'm always a bit low to go directly into
04:18uh personal accounts too much in the sense that the irony is is the minute i finish making it
04:25it's i have to let go of it it's like a spaceship that orbits people either listen to or they don't
04:31you know i mean but it's orbiting you but you choose to or not you know and um so the main thing about it
04:38was falling back in love with the craft of songwriting you know practicing working on guitar
04:47trying to just be interesting and knowing that um our career has been going on so long that
04:54that we're always on the on the precipice you know i can't if i delivered uh dull mid-tempo acoustic
05:04fronted record i might not get on your show you know that's that's that's how it goes because
05:11there's other people there's so many people there's a lot of people trying to be on this show a lot of
05:14people trying to make records get people's attention so i'm fully aware the ante is up
05:20when you're a kid and you're making records i didn't see a horizon now i'm like god dang i'm lucky
05:26to still be here i gotta make sure this hits like so sweet i gotta hit home runs if we don't hit home
05:31runs what the hell you can get one bag of tricks and then you then it's so i that precipice is what
05:39propels me and also the desire to do i i've made a career out of or made a life
05:44i'm doing very few things so that i can be the best i can at those things
05:50and so songwriting was always what i cared about and i did 10 years of no success you know
05:58a failure getting deals and getting close and this and that potential but ultimately not happening
06:05and b i never faulted on that you know and it's so beautiful because i had money people felt i was
06:12like the black sheep of the family and you know like they're all poor you know he's doing that
06:16of course you're singing still good painting houses painting sets working on building sites yeah of course
06:21you're a singer yeah of course you are you know what i mean but i was and i never stopped trying i always
06:27worked at it and so now i've gotten to a point where i just realized that the more you know
06:33you realize the less you know it's it's amazing you know knowledge begets like makes you realize that
06:41there's so much to to know and to understand and that to be an interesting valuable to society person
06:46you know i mean you just got to keep the quality up and uh i think that uh this record you know
06:53i think that between me and chris and eric ron who produced the record with us um
07:01just a fantastic collaboration really good energy and i know that what i brought to the table was
07:09strong you know eric is a fantastic producer and engineer um uh chris is just a you know he's a
07:16phenomenal phenomenal musician yeah and phenomenal ears and we're we're almost the same person but
07:27no we're not we're like we're like fraternal twins i mean i'm he's like my younger brother but we're
07:31like fraternal twins in that the connectivity is like when we were working in the studio eric just
07:39like i'll let you guys do that you know just it's too much the rapport and the connection between us
07:45and it's he's he's one of them genuinely be my one of my closest friends in my life it's not like
07:51just love chris you know um keith richards and ronnie wood have what they call their relationship
07:57they call it the ancient form of weaving uh they're so connected that um one can start a solo
08:05particularly when they're on stage and the other one can finish it um they can just look at each other
08:10and connect and go musical places that um most people would find hard to define and that sounds
08:16very similar to what you've got with chris well we have a week we swim on because we do it you know
08:20obviously i do it vocally uh i have one solo i you know i try not to put too much guitar on the tracks
08:27that i bring to chris because i want him you know i i want him to just hear it as unfettered as possible
08:34but sometimes it's you get too much of a laugh it's you know your studio's like no no so i do have the
08:40song solo on the record and um and i don't i don't in terms of solos i just mean in terms of the
08:49overall bond and the connection oh yeah yeah you can see where yeah no our connection i just because
08:57you said the views was solo it just made me laugh because he's like if that solo stays you got to
09:02play it i was like i just mean he's i sing it but yeah we are very um very uh connected and um it's
09:14it's quite it's it's it's formidable i think and fun and it's one of the proudest most enduring
09:20relationships that i have you know i have my buddies two of them are coming for dinner tonight and i tried
09:25to invite chris two guys from london um who are here i've like three i have three best friends four best
09:31friends and that's you know chris as well um but he's gone to get his horse he's he's also a cowboy
09:38with a responsibility to his horse and the work that they do up there as cowboys i mean really truly
09:45truly like really truly so he's uh off doing that so he's not coming tonight but yeah we have a great
09:52time in the studio he's awesome oh cool we're speaking with gavin rossdale on id33 wmmr uh and a big
09:59summer tour with alice in chains and breaking benjamin is uh set to take place i think starting
10:04august 7th it'll be here august 11th and um we have the brand new song so let's get more specific
10:11and talk about the first uh song from this record it's called more than machines um and you've talked
10:17about uh topics that this song covers everything from women's rights to artificial intelligence to the
10:25destruction of the planet um sounds like a lot doesn't it but it's it's not it's a lot of
10:31information but it's like i think that the the i don't know if i'm going to get it this is the curse
10:37of my job i look at that line and i go that's a perfect haiku i might never improve which is uh
10:44girls you in control not the government not the government that you know i haven't written a line
10:51as good as that since on ambulances on the institute record which is a great shame it wasn't a bush
10:56record and i should use the songs best line i ever wrote i always thought up until maybe that line
11:01was uh on ambulances because i know you supported that record uh but i on ambulances um and the best
11:10line i ever wrote it goes this staying alive can kill you it's taken years off my life
11:15it's priceless it is priceless i was like literally the best line i ever wrote um but
11:22in terms of the song i mean those are three heavy topics and the song is three and a half minutes long
11:27and uh so if you were to define it into a few sentences impossible i know and i i don't mean
11:35to confide haiku band i realize that we're a haiku band we're economical we just come in with punch
11:40we hit and we leave you know but uh it's well obviously um the roe versus wade was just
11:48shocking i just i mean i i find it hard to fathom how uh suddenly things get medieval again i'm like
11:58wow what happened then you know so much progression made in the world uh minorities stopping you know
12:04with the black lives matter uh stopping asian hate the lgbtq community being more recognized um
12:11you know gender fluidity he uh she they there is all that sort of pronoun um uh shuffling um
12:22you know it's incredible time and so that really struck me as like a bizarre step back and it felt so
12:29premeditated because as we saw that the judges appointed earlier on you know that you know the
12:35kavanaugh the amy that their history and what they may be into and where it was going no it's not going
12:41to do that because obviously people have been saying for years since those uh appointments that
12:45that could happen um because like no it can't happen obviously not going to do that that's a very
12:51very good thing to protect women to have autonomy over their bodies and uh so it just was in my head
13:01swimming and every time i wrote a song i didn't have it in there i thought i'd failed you know as a
13:06sort of something that really mattered to me this is like just so appalled you know and um and obviously
13:12that was swimming around my head then the climate issue you know you watch c spirit scene you realize
13:20that apparently 20 by 2050 there'll be no fish left in the sea because they they troll the oceans no
13:25coral nothing left and so you just go wow why it's it's not a subject that can it's it's very sad how
13:33it doesn't uh translate well enough people do that much about it you know we were mobilized by lots of
13:39other movements so this is in my head always and then the whole uh machines and our place in life and
13:46i'm so impressed with the technology of my recording studio but really there's programs
13:51that could be like let me write a song between the smashing pumpkins bush and pj harvey and just
13:56there's a you know there's programs that will do that you know so we're all being edged out slightly
14:02you know and uh there's always a sense of that you know the automation stuff you know um i still like
14:10to um wherever possible if i'm driving on a freeway or a highway that's a toll road i still will go uh
14:18and not get the easy pass thing i will still stop and give the money to a toll taker in the feeble hope
14:24that maybe that might help to keep their job or at a supermarket i will actually go to the checker
14:31rather than the automated checkout thing in the hopes that human to human can still survive but have
14:38you not been to whole foods where you go in with you put your out your amazon prime code walk around
14:43the store and then you just walk out because it's it's got it gets taken for the duke off the shelf
14:51and it's also taking a camera right but i'm like but what if you put something back where you get two
14:56of it you put one back you're getting charged but i think but i don't know i'm not diligent enough
15:01to check into it but they told me no because the camera is what they they it goes off the camera goes
15:06against the uh uh the thing so that it works out it correlates the venn diagram of what you left
15:11the store with and um then you just leave the store yeah i mean it's a trip it's a trip it's like
15:18you know am i stealing does everyone know you know today but but i mean so anyways that came in
15:23and song and like it's weird right i just got a lot of information into a small space because i never
15:28tried to tell anyone either what i think or what they should do or remedial stuff it's more like
15:36sort of suggestive or or just is meant to promote discussion and talking about it things that aren't
15:42okay you know i've done it from bomb on on the 16 stone is the ira the blowing up people guy goes
15:50shopping and he gets blown up in the shopping mall we had that when people growing up the buses were
15:55blown up when i was a you know young kid in you know uh in england and living in in quacks road
16:02uh in a kilburn this area is half irish half blacks that's the what johnny rotten's book was about that's
16:08what it was called you know and uh that's that's what it was and and so i've always had those leanings
16:14uh in my in the stuff but i've never forced it down anyone's throat it's not when you personalize it
16:19you're not forcing it down anyone's throat you're mentioning it and if they're listening they either
16:25react respond whatever but it's just it's right there now um i love this song first of all it just
16:33it hits you right from the beginning but i'm a fan of um tones and textures and one of the little
16:41details i love little details these days particularly uh that i love in it are the finger snaps yeah
16:49uh obviously intentional but you can clearly hear them and they really i don't know what it is
16:56maybe it's a seasoning on a meal but they add a really cool element to this song it's fantastic
17:02that's that's that's uh eric uh maybe eric's fingers they may be someone with more brittle bones
17:09i don't know i can find out for you by the time we meet again okay but uh yeah for sure i you know
17:14it's super hip for that yeah we are speaking with gavin rossdale on mmr and the band will be with us
17:21how did the pairing or the it's a threesome if you will in allison chains bush and breaking benjamin
17:27how did that uh group of uh bands come together was that a management thing record come well it was well
17:34it was just suggested us to go on tour with breaking benjamin um a band i wasn't too familiar
17:40with i knew they were super successful and uh they said it'd be really good for you to go on tour
17:45with this band they're really like the young happening band and you know with super in it to win it and
17:50i'd love to meet new people and do great shows for them too you know so you want to i've always been
17:57of the mindset that people can love more than one band therefore when you go on stage you know i go on
18:02stage you want to blow everyone away you want to be the best band you you just do but you still
18:06obviously it's like a match it's like a you can be totally like a gentleman off stage and into it
18:12but when you're on stage it's like you're fierce you want to like you want to you want people to
18:17love you that's why we're singers we're needy it's ridiculous everyone's super needy how do you like
18:22the show you know everyone wants to know how they like the show so you want to go out and be fierce but
18:26um you also want to be on tour with other bands that are also really doing pulling their weight and
18:32do their thing and then all the yes what happens someone has a great time and a great memory for life
18:36it's perfect and uh so we're gonna go with breaking benjamin then weirdly enough i went to reno to announce
18:42that and he well i sang an alice and shane song wood wow i sang with ben and breaking benjamin i sang with
18:51him and it's really fun and you know ben's a great singer and he really was this helping on the
18:56courses because it was like whoo he's like he had it he had my back on that um but it was really cool
19:03experience he made the most beautiful intro to me i've never been introduced like that he spoke about
19:08driving number of hours standing in the front row seeing his favorite band singing all the words
19:14feeling it believing it being inspired by it and and that band was bush and then he introduced me on
19:21stage it was a very moving moment for me you know i was really humbled by that and then i hung out with
19:27him he's a sweet uh sweet guy and i look forward to get to know him better and then you know things
19:34happened and then obviously there's been a pandemic or yes pandemic got worse lost another year and then
19:40it was like oh they're going on tour with alice and shanes i was like oh shoot that was going to be fun
19:45you know i was looking forward to that and then it was like no man come on you can join you know you
19:49can play you know you just play you know you just can't play before us you know and uh i was like
19:56do i really want to play the 20 000 uh rabid rock fans every night for this nine weeks in the summer
20:04i mean let's go let's do it you know i mean so i'm excited to do it and um you know i love i love
20:14i love alice and shanes you know i was reminiscing today man a box was a really important record for me
20:20because it really taught me as a kid that uh you could make rock music like i could go from punk
20:28see after punk there's nowhere to go and no one had guitars anymore you know and i the post-punk thing
20:35gang of four loved all that and then when i saw those bands and i heard that man in the box
20:42it was a different sound of like dudes making rock music that kind of soared but wasn't a sunset strip
20:51wasn't you know that because your gnr fantastic band as well great thing but i didn't it wasn't it's not
20:58in my realm you know i didn't know the blues well enough i don't you know it's just not in my wheelhouse
21:04like i go don't you know it's like i'm a rock band that doesn't play the blues it's really rare
21:11it's really rare that's the do the sound and bluesy stuff if chris plays any bluesy oh it's just a
21:17it's a something that happens in me that i don't i don't uh i don't connect to it so i don't use it
21:24you know there's no there's very few doesn't really which is unusual for a rock band um i'll be curious
21:31to see you you've had uh tours with other bands before if we said that there was a really big blues
21:38riff that i wrote uh which i really uh which i which i'm really proud of sorry on a song called
21:44human sand and i was like wow this is way bluesier than you've ever written you know and i kept it
21:51okay and then chris chris came on it and he he he put some really nice chords on it so
21:56he gave it so he he just gave it that but uh so yeah i did eat my words with that song outside of
22:05that no absolutely no fucking slides um i love it when uh a lineup like this comes along and again
22:14here in the philly area it'll be over in camden august 11th i love it when um three bands so soon
22:21that's so soon it is well i mean you're it's the whole thing starting i think august 7th
22:26uh and you know and it's a long tour you're going you know there's not many breaks in it right through
22:32october and then you know depending how the record goes i suspect the band will continue on uh towards
22:38the end of the year or into the next year and uh next year next year i gotta i gotta my kids well my
22:44kids will like fire me i'll get like i'll get i'll get replaced you know we can't have that by my robot machine
22:50by machine i'll get replaced they'll move to dad machine he's like always here throws perfect balls
22:56and like cooks great meals and hugs them and you remember that arnold schwarzenegger movie i can't
23:02remember the title but it's set in the future and um like if the family dog dies you can get a
23:08replacement dog and um that looks just like rover you know and by the way do you still have your little
23:14doggy is yes yeah chewie will be out with us he's about to be here and he's gonna be 10 years old
23:20excellent um yeah artificial intelligence anyway we will talk much more about this when you come
23:26and visit us uh you've had a long day of interview so i'm going to let you go but um it's just a
23:31pleasure to see you and i cannot wait to uh see you guys in concert uh when it comes august 11th a new
23:38record uh more than machines a new single from the forthcoming art of survival full album uh october
23:44seventh gavin rossdale here's to you my friend i i wish you all the best yeah you're great can i just
23:50say that i hope people realize how great you are oh you are truly great you you're so genuine you love
23:59music your insights are so uh powerful your your history and knowledge of music is better than done
24:07way better than mine and uh you're great inspiration and they're so lucky to have you on
24:13the air so great there's no machine that can replace you they have to come with a very very powerful
24:18machine in your lane because you're very good at your job we love talking to you on and off the air
24:23and when we play and you're not you know if you're backstage we hear you're around and you're not with
24:29us we're kind of disappointed so make sure you get back to see as soon as you can because we love seeing
24:34you oh i will be there uh i wouldn't miss this one at all i thank you sir for your time and we'll see
24:39you soon all right thanks a lot cheers
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