00:00If a certain group isn't represented, whether it's females, whether it's minorities,
00:05policing will do everything to make that representation.
00:07Now, representation is important, Martin, because we need different experiences,
00:12different perspectives, diversity of thought, not just about...
00:16But we don't get diversity of thought if we make it down to only diversity of immutable characteristics,
00:24such as skin colour, ethnicity and sexuality.
00:27Here's a question for you, Nazareth.
00:28But if diversity and inclusion... Hang on a sec. Hang on a sec.
00:32If diversity and inclusion is... Hang on, please.
00:34If diversity and inclusion has been so successful over all the years we've had it,
00:39why are we only answering four out of ten burglaries?
00:42Why are eight out of ten shoppers just walking away?
00:44Why are the police wasting so much time policing tweets and not policing streets?
00:49Right. Well, there's a couple of questions in there.
00:51Let me answer the first one. I totally agree with you that policing has bigger issues to deal with
00:56than diversity, equality and inclusion.
00:59But that's what we're discussing today.
01:01They need to deal with other things.
01:03And we know that there's been a report from His Majesty's Inspectorate which says that police don't investigate crime
01:09because of inexperience, don't have the investigative mindset, poor training, poor supervision.
01:15That's another debate. We're here discussing what West Yorkshire are doing.
01:19Now, I don't... You know, you're... Obviously, the whistleblower is saying that they're grading people
01:24according to gold, silver and bronze.
01:26And if that is the case...
01:27White people are being screened out.
01:29How can you agree with that as somebody who's fought against racism?
01:32Is it impossible to be racist against white people?
01:35No, no. Let me make this quite clear.
01:37I don't agree with that.
01:38I've just said to you that if that's the case, then that needs to be investigated
01:40because there's something wrong in how they're doing that process.
01:43And is that an individual decided that they're going to, you know, create this new system?
01:48It happens in police forces all across the land.
01:50I hear it all the time.
01:52Right. But secondly, where is your evidence to say that these white officers
01:56have been prejudiced and discriminated?
02:00Racism becomes at the point that they have been prejudiced and discriminated.
02:04Now, from my understanding...
02:05That's the policy.
02:06That's literally the policy.
02:09To screen out white people.
02:11It's here in black and white.
02:12Pun intended.
02:14Positive action isn't illegal.
02:16Positive discrimination isn't.
02:18At the point of selection, if you're discriminating...
02:21What's the difference?
02:22Seriously, what's the difference between positive action and positive discrimination
02:26if it has the same output, less white people?
02:30Right.
02:30Well, does it have less white people?
02:31Because if these people that they've asked to do their targeting advertising on
02:37come through the door, but when we get to selection,
02:41actually, people are selected on merit and there is no discrimination.
02:45Let me tell you something.
02:46That would be great.
02:47Because I think that's all that most people care about.
02:50Yeah.
02:50But this isn't working for West Yorkshire because clearly they're investing millions of pounds.
02:55They've got a terrible crime-solving rate.
02:57They're one of the worst in Britain.
02:59They spend the most money on diversity, equality and inclusion in the entire country.
03:05They are the top of the woke league table.
03:07And their crime-solving rate is one of the worst.
03:10I put it to you.
03:11Perhaps the two things are connected.
