00:00Well, I think they're completely mad. First of all, it's completely unacceptable and contrary
00:07to international law. And secondly, it's impractical. Why should people move? Who is going to provide
00:16them with these wonderful homes he's talking about? And thirdly, if it happens, it will
00:22be another Nakba. That's what happened to the Palestinians in 1948 and will be the source
00:29of endless future war.
00:32Now, you say completely mad, but we are talking about here the most powerful man in the world.
00:38Donald Trump has seen an outcry internationally, but can he go ahead anyway and do what he
00:42likes?
00:43I don't think so. I think it's quite alarming that he is the most powerful person in the
00:52world. But I think, and there don't seem to be very strong and powerful domestic constraints
00:59operating in the United States, which there should be. But of course, he is the commander
01:05in chief. But on the other hand, within the Republican parties, there are a lot of differences.
01:12He got elected on an America first platform, which seemed to imply that he was not keen
01:20on interfering in the rest of the world and he wanted to focus on American problems. But
01:26instead, what he's doing is making threats not just against Gaza, but also Greenland
01:34and Panama. And I think for many on his own side, that may be quite alarming.
01:41But on this particular issue, I think the rest of the world is more or less united in
01:47opposition. And I find it very difficult to imagine how he could possibly succeed.
01:52The only people who support him are a small group on the right wing of Israeli politics.
02:01And what Donald Trump has said is some of it is practically factual, that Gaza is in
02:06ruins. It's uninhabitable, most of it. So what should happen to it now, in your opinion?
02:13Well, I think we need to recognize a Palestinian state and find a two-state solution for the
02:25area. I'd actually prefer a single Palestine for both Jews and Palestinians. But at the
02:31moment, what's on the table is a two-state solution. And I think there needs to be a
02:39huge investment from the rest of the world in the reconstruction of Gaza. I think one
02:46of the most terrible things that's happened has been the Tosha Abandonment, the UN refugee
02:51agency that has been responsible in the past for Gaza and is the most experienced agency
02:57to be able to manage reconstruction. But clearly, there needs to be a huge investment in reconstruction
03:05in helping those people who have suffered horrendously. And of course, the other thing
03:11to say is, is this going to threaten the ceasefire? How do we maintain the ceasefire?
03:18Because to go back to war after all this for those people would be such a tragedy.
03:24Yeah, absolutely. Professor Mary Calder from the London School of Economics and
03:29Political Science, we thank you for your expertise. Thank you.
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