00:00Well, I love Bob Dylan, but it wasn't that that isn't good enough reason to make a movie. In fact, it's a terrible one
00:08But I loved this the idea of
00:13framing a
00:14Movie within this story this moment. I mean because one of the you know, I
00:20Make I've made a lot of different kinds of movies and people in conversations like this use all sorts of kind of genre
00:26Descriptions like biopic would be one and it's like well, it's not really a genre really
00:31I mean if you're being scientific you is a is a movie about Jesse James a biopic or a Western
00:37Is a is a movie about if I made serpico
00:40Is that a cop movie or a biopic meaning it's a kind of bullshit description that doesn't at all describe
00:45What's actually functioning in the narrative or what context or vernacular the story is being told in it just describes in a kind of media
00:53Framing way true story based on some reality, which is frankly true for most of our fucking movies anyway
00:59so the
01:02What was intriguing to me was
01:05Was getting back to the world of making a movie about an artist again
01:11in a time without cell phones, which is another really wonderful thing and and
01:16and
01:18that the music was powerful and that when I
01:22Learned about this book and this project coming together. It also already came
01:28with Bob and his music and I and and so that
01:34one of the battles because I've tried to do this over the years before with in a couple of places and
01:39That March to kind of get all those folks together
01:45For a journey is really hard and and so that part was amazing
01:50And then the fact that this story was a story
01:54But the real palpable thing was when I
01:58The searchlight guys talked to me about acquiring this book and these existing materials on it
02:04when I was taking Ford Ferrari to Telluride it was on a plane with them and
02:09I literally took what they had and I didn't even they didn't offer it and I had no deal
02:14But I just started writing the movie in
02:17Colorado and and and then I was writing the movie in Toronto and by the time and then Timmy
02:25Met me in Toronto when the movie was premiering there, which is this is a period of like what is Toronto Telluride 10 days apart?
02:31so the and and the thing came together just
02:36through my
02:37Absolute conviction that I had to do this and even if they didn't want me
02:42And what I'd be and the fact that the writing was coming so fast
02:48Mainly because I saw that
02:50That what existed the writing that that existed on it while really good was avoiding most of the really juicy stuff
02:58Which I found out was because it was an edict from from the Dillon camp
03:03That this had to be strictly about the music nothing else and I didn't pay attention to that. I didn't even have a deal
03:09I just wrote about everything else and the music shit and the and
03:15Maybe this is too long a story
03:17But then the I did make a deal I did but the script flew out of me and then we were gonna just make it
03:23we had a window with Timmy and this is 2019 and then Kovat hit and
03:29and
03:31When Kovat but we were also having a moment where where?
03:34Bob's manager and others were concerned where I had gone and
03:40With the script and when Kovat hit Bob's tour was canceled and
03:47Apparently he asked his manager. Let me read this thing that you're worried about and he liked it
03:53and that kind of in the interim changed everything and what happened over the Kovat period was I had a series of meetings with him and
04:02and talked about what I was doing and where I was going and
04:07And this long story gets the point of what I thought was, you know when I first sat down with Bob
04:13I mean one of the first things he said was like I really like that movie Copland and that was like
04:27And he knew it like he knew the movie like and you're talking about a movie that came out in 1997 and
04:34and
04:36But then he turned to me at that moment like we all do when we get down to the subject and he goes
04:42so what's this movie about and
04:45It was that question you're asking all of us and I actually I'd written furiously
04:51But I hadn't ever thought about this kind of thesis question and in the moment alone in his coffee shop with him. I
04:59said
05:02It's about a guy who's choking to death in
05:06Minnesota and
05:09Has to escape and
05:11runs away and
05:15Reinvents himself
05:18Leaves behind all his family and friends finds new ones
05:24Becomes wildly successful as he blossoms as an artist
05:28And starts choking to death and runs away from all his family and friends and
05:34he smiled and
05:37there was a kind and and
05:39The but to me it was also a kind of breakthrough moment with him of me knowing the kind of thing
05:47You need to know as a writer
05:49But you also need to know as a director
05:51Every day when you're on set because shit will throw you off and you have to keep reminding yourself. What's my story?
05:57and and and and when you don't know that that's when you really when your DP is suggesting shooting through a
06:06Christmas ornament
06:17No for rock videos for rock videos for German expressionist bands, it's great idea, but the but anyway, whatever that's that's my little
06:26You
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