00:00The hearing of the appeal in the Court of Appeal for the case of Atut Sri Najib
00:04between the Minister of Home Affairs and six other appeals
00:11regarding the Titah Addendum was set on 6 January.
00:16The Tithah Addendum, the Honourable Justice Kota Bawu,
00:22an experienced lawyer,
00:24said that the hearing will be held on 6 January.
00:31Is it appropriate for us to give a response before the hearing?
00:36The answer is no,
00:37because the Rule 231G of the Council of People's Court of Appeal does not allow it.
00:43Therefore, for us, as stated by the State Attorney,
00:49it is to respect and trust the Constitution.
00:52What I can add is that I was only involved in the initial hearing,
01:02which was on 8 December 2023.
01:06I was there.
01:08And I can explain because the issue of the addendum has not been raised yet.
01:13It is not included in the agenda.
01:17What I can say is,
01:19it is not included in Atut Sri Najib's petition for forgiveness
01:25in the consideration of the Ministry of Forgiveness.
01:29So, for the record,
01:31I present to you,
01:34on the grounds that all the people have the right to make a petition.
01:41And because Atut Sri Najib's seat is in Sabah,
01:45if we consider it,
01:47you, Mr. Agung Ketigaitu, have given your approval.
01:50So, there are 11 agendas.
01:5410 were presented in the first part of the hearing,
01:57following the usual process.
01:59When it comes to the 11th agenda,
02:01which you, Mr. Agung Ketigaitu, have raised,
02:03I ask you to present the argument
02:08about Atut Sri Najib's petition for forgiveness.
02:14I would like to explain this
02:16because I know that this case is being played by certain parties.
02:19So, this is a record and a minute.
02:22This is the first time
02:24where the petition for forgiveness
02:27was brought by the minister,
02:29not the opposition party.
02:31Because for me,
02:33in principle, whether we agree or not
02:36with the court's decision
02:38or with the right of someone to appeal,
02:41we cannot deny the right of hearing
02:45in the Legislative Yuan.
02:47At that time,
02:49in the meeting that I attended,
02:51there was no mention of the issue
02:54of the birth of the agenda.
02:58On 29th January,
03:00the next meeting was attended by the minister
03:03who was in charge of the Cabinet,
03:05and I was not present.
03:07So, I can only wait until 6th January
03:10for the court's decision.
03:12Mr. Ketiawaru.
03:15Thank you, Mr. Minister.
03:18The answer I expected.
03:20One is subjudicial,
03:22and the other I am not involved in.
03:24My question is,
03:26the issue of the agenda
03:29has become a question in the whole country.
03:32It is not a question of the opposition,
03:34it is not a question of a certain party,
03:37but the whole people in this country
03:39are raising questions.
03:41Starting from 29th January, 2024,
03:45when the Legislative Yuan
03:48followed the 42 amendments
03:51of the Legislative Yuan,
03:53carried out by Mr. Ago,
03:55to 16th January,
03:57we all know the decision.
04:00One thing that has happened
04:02is that the law has been called
04:04the law of liberty.
04:05It does not abolish,
04:06it is only the law of liberty.
04:08Prison sentences are reduced by 50%,
04:12criminal sentences are reduced by 210 million
04:15to 50 million,
04:17and the termination date is stated.
04:20But when an issue arises,
04:23Mr. President,
04:24an addendum issue,
04:26or an additional order
04:30stated by the Legislative Yuan,
04:33or especially by Mr. Ago himself,
04:38started from the beginning of April, 2024.
04:42This issue has arisen.
04:44It has spread all over the country.
04:46It has been viral on all social media.
04:48The government,
04:49the issue is the government,
04:51the coalition,
04:52has never issued any statement
04:56to deny or deny this matter.
05:00Causing this matter to become an issue in society.
05:03I can say,
05:05when this issue came out,
05:07Dato' Sir Najib Perayu
05:10has filed a case in the High Court,
05:13asking for a mandamus order
05:16to determine
05:18whether the addendum exists or not.
05:21Mr. President,
05:24this is a big issue, Mr. President.
05:27Mr. President,
05:29as a member of his party,
05:31he has filed an affidavit of support.
05:34Mr. President,
05:35Minister Besah Pahang has filed an affidavit.
05:39Mr. President,
05:40Minister Miti has pleaded to file an affidavit.
05:43Both affidavits,
05:45Mr. President,
05:46and MP Pahang have been rejected.
05:48According to him,
05:49Minister Miti is not allowed to file an affidavit.
05:52That is in the court.
05:54Then came to this court,
05:56when we asked,
05:58the Minister of Law said,
06:00I am not involved.
06:02Even the Minister of Regional Affairs,
06:04this is not true.
06:06This case is still pending.
06:08He is the Minister of Rural Affairs.
06:11Then the Minister of Home Affairs said,
06:13this cannot be discussed.
06:14This is a disgrace.
06:16Minister of Regional Affairs,
06:17as a member of the Rural Association,
06:21has denied
06:23when there was a statement
06:25that seemed to be made by him.
06:27The statement was made by you.
06:29Yes.
06:30Please continue.
06:32He denied that statement.
06:34But he did not mention
06:36whether or not there was an affidavit
06:38as a member of the Rural Association.
06:41Then,
06:42today,
06:44Mr. President,
06:46since April,
06:48the people have been discussing this agenda.
06:50Yesterday, the statement of the State Attorney came out.
06:53When my question was accepted
06:55on 10 September,
06:579 months later,
06:59the State Attorney subjudged it.
07:03What kind of game is this,
07:05Mr. President?
07:06Then there is
07:08a new affidavit.
07:10A new affidavit.
07:11If it is a new affidavit,
07:12I would like to ask you to sit down.
07:15The people have to decide.
07:17You have to be fair.
07:19I have to be fair.
07:21This is my question.
07:23In an affidavit
07:25issued by
07:27a person named Muhammad Nizam bin Muhammad Najib,
07:30included in the court of appeal,
07:34which is said to take place on 16 January,
07:37an addendum
07:39said to be issued by the State Attorney
07:41on 29 January
07:43to the State Attorney.
07:47It is said here that
07:49Dato' Ahmad Tarirudin Muhammad Salih, State Attorney.
07:51This is my question.
07:53I want to ask,
07:55is this true?
07:56And my question is,
07:58why?
07:59This is my question.
08:00Why, Mr. President?
08:02So far, the government
08:04has not been fair
08:06regarding this addendum.
08:09Is this not a
08:11false accusation
08:13by the government
08:15for the State Attorney?
08:17And this is also included
08:19in what is considered
08:21a wrongful imprisonment.
08:23If this is true,
08:25it violates the law.
08:27Mr. Right Honourable Prime Minister,
08:29the people of Malaysia
08:31demand
08:33clear explanation from you.
08:35Thank you very much.
08:39What does the law say?
08:41What does the law say?
08:43If I choose to answer,
08:45I cannot answer to respect the court.
08:47Don't you understand that?
08:49To look for cheap political stunt.
08:51And the hypocrisy is,
08:53suddenly he wants to be
08:55Dato' Sirin Najib's champion.
08:57Do you believe he is a champion?
08:59I heard
09:01his speech
09:03clearly
09:05threatening Dato' Sirin Najib
09:07from head to toe.
09:09Now he wants to be a hypocrite
09:11to guarantee.
09:13Okay, I want to answer.
09:15I am humble.
09:17I can answer.
09:19After the court,
09:21I will come here to answer.
09:23I am the one who brought
09:25the pardon case
09:27to be included in the agenda.
09:29Not included.
09:31May I ask,
09:33Mr. Honourable Prime Minister?
09:35Why did I include it?
09:37I think,
09:39there should be a balance.
09:41Okay.
09:43We cannot answer.
09:45Because,
09:47the case involves
09:49Mr. Honourable Prime Minister
09:51and the Parliament.
09:53Since when can we discuss?
09:55Until it is brought to the court,
09:57the court will decide.
09:59Since when
10:01a Prime Minister can
10:03bring the pardon case to the court?
10:07If he wants to be a champion,
10:09he can.
10:11But, if he wants to see the law,
10:13he can. Please answer.
10:15Can a Prime Minister
10:17bring the decision of Mr. Honourable Prime Minister
10:19to the court?
10:21The answer is no.
10:23Okay.
10:25Why did the Prime Minister answer like that?
10:27We refer to the Parliament,
10:29we give the decision like this.
10:31Until this case is brought to the court,
10:33and until Mr. Honourable Prime Minister
10:35approve it,
10:37we cannot touch it.
10:39This is a sole discretion
10:41in the Parliament.
10:43This is a
10:45cheap political point.
10:49This is a shame for me.
10:51Okay.
10:53I want to
10:55tell you
10:57that the hypocrisy
10:59of Mr. Najib
11:01is much bigger
11:03than the individual
11:05or the party.
11:07And me,
11:09in front of the President,
11:11I am one of the people who brought the case
11:13against the MDB case.
11:15But, when someone
11:17has been imprisoned,
11:19there is a genuine consideration.
11:21That is why, and it is my responsibility,
11:23when there is a complaint
11:25to be considered,
11:27I face Mr. Najib.
11:29We cannot put it aside.
11:31We have to bring it to consideration
11:33and Mr. Najib decides
11:35in the Parliament meeting.
11:37And this is what happened.
11:39There was a meeting
11:41in 2023
11:43before the appointment
11:45of the Minister of State.
11:47That is my explanation.
11:49The court,
11:51the State Attorney,
11:53and the law of the state,
11:55the law of the state,
11:57cannot allow
11:59a Minister of State
12:01to deal with the issue of immigration
12:03until it is approved
12:05by Mr. Najib
12:07or decided by the court.
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