00:00As a former CIA targeting officer, I'm constantly asked how is it that you can share your experiences here on social media?
00:07I can talk about anything that I want as long as I'm not revealing classified information.
00:13I shared the story about Darren Labonte and the fact that he perished in the 2009 suicide attack on Coast Base in Afghanistan.
00:22I shared that with you because I think it's really important to remember and honor their sacrifices.
00:28We have an incredible military that do so much for our country in terms of safeguarding Americans.
00:33But we also have intelligence officers that are on the front lines working just as hard and taking really great risks in their work.
00:42And they asked if I had ever done pot, if I ever smoked it.
00:46And I said, no, I haven't. It wasn't that I had anything against anybody else that was doing it.
00:52I just like drinking alcohol in college was enough for me.
00:55And so I just never tried it.
00:57But they didn't believe me. I went to a state school, Florida State, and I was in the sorority.
01:03And they highlighted all this to me and said, we just don't believe you.
01:08And this was like on, I don't know, day two of my polygraph examination.
01:13So at this point, I've been probably sitting in that chair for two hours.
01:18I did four hours of polygraph examinations the day before.
01:22Unfortunately, you know, you failed the polygraph because we think you're lying to us.
01:28We think that you did try pot in college and you are you're a liar.
01:34If you if you just come clean about the fact that you smoked pot in college, you'll probably pass.
01:41But you have to come clean about this. And he said, I'm going to give you some time to think things over.
01:46And he left the room and I assumed that they were looking at me through this like thick planed glass.
01:55And I was like, oh, my gosh. So I was so tired, so exhausted at this point, so mentally just done.
02:04And I started to think to myself, oh, gosh, I lied to them and tell them that I did drugs at one point just so they stop questioning me.
02:13And I knew I knew at this point that I was probably not going to get my clearance unless I basically lied and said that I did do drugs.
02:22And then I came to the realization, you know what? Maybe this is what they want me to do.
02:26They want they want to see how far I could be pushed in order to get my job at the CIA.
02:33Am I willing to compromise my integrity? Am I willing to compromise who I am?
02:39And, you know, whether or not I'm willing to lie or not to get this job at the CIA, that is what they wanted to know.
02:48And so I he came back into the room. I said, you know what? I'm sorry to have wasted your time.
02:54I really never did drugs. I you know, I'm thank you for this opportunity.
02:59I said, OK, well, you failed. I was like, oh, shit, you know.
03:04And then two weeks later, I got a piece of paper in the mail that said, congratulations,
03:11you have secured your top secret SEI lifestyle polygraph clearance.
03:15I have to say without a doubt, it's just the focus of mission.
03:20So we've all really felt like we're working toward one goal.
03:25And that felt really good every day to just have that focus of mission that we were a part of something that was,
03:32you know, protecting the United States or protecting the homeland against terrorists.
03:36And it felt really good to be a part of that mission.
03:40So I would say, you know, just in terms of like when you're going throughout your day
03:45and I feel like maybe some of the military folks listening to this can maybe understand what I'm talking about is like you just you're
03:54you're so focused on the mission before you that a lot of other things in life kind of fade away
04:00and you're able to, you know, really feel some purpose and that what you're doing really matters.
04:08So one instance that I can really think about, I was an active participant in what we call a high threat meeting
04:15where we didn't know if the source is going to show up with basically a bomb strapped to him
04:20or he really was willing to provide us with good information.
04:25So we did a thorough pat down of this person before we met with him.
04:31Of course, our security team was the one who did that and in coordination with working with our foreign intelligence partners.
04:39But, you know, I had a lot of work to do in terms of building my report,
04:44the source, because when I initially walked into the room, you know, blonde hair, green eyes,
04:49like there's no doubt in the source's mind that I am an American.
04:55So he refused to meet me in the eye.
04:58So that was to be expected. This was my first meeting with a terrorist,
05:03but I acted like it was my hundredth and made sure that,
05:08you know, I really established that I knew everything there was to know about him.
05:13I think establishing yourself as the authority in the room is one of the ways,
05:18the best ways that you can use to basically get that individual to trust you
05:26and to understand that they need to provide you with the utmost information.
05:31So whenever you ask a question, you have to pay attention
05:35what that person does within the first five seconds after you ask that question.
05:41What do they do? What are some of their physical cues?
05:44Do they, you know, fiddle with their hands? Are they fidgeting?
05:49Are they failing to make eye contact with you?
05:53That could be an indication that they're not telling you the truth.
05:58Another thing, are they being evasive?
06:00Are they talking to you, but they're not answering your question?
06:04Aggression. Aggression is another thing that you could look at as a key indicator that someone's lying to you.
06:10They say things like, hey, why do you think it's me?
06:15What did I ever do to you?
06:16Like that aggression could be an indication that someone is lying to you.
06:22So the physical cues within the first five seconds after you ask the question, aggression and evasiveness.
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