Morning Edition: 26th April 2024

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00:00:02 - A very special good morning Trinidad and Tobago

00:00:08 and the rest of the world.

00:00:09 I'm Marlon Hopkinson, as always welcome to another program.

00:00:13 Morning edition, yeah.

00:00:15 It's Friday, April 26th, 2024.

00:00:17 And thank you very much for joining us this morning.

00:00:20 It's the beginning of the weekend.

00:00:23 I wonder what sort of weekend we are going to have,

00:00:25 but I suspect we'll find out whetherwise

00:00:29 how the weekend is going to look for the next few days.

00:00:32 But it has been a rough week, yeah.

00:00:34 It has been a rough week for many of you.

00:00:37 I empathize with you.

00:00:39 Many of you still have your masks.

00:00:42 I hope you do, because it may be a weekend like that.

00:00:46 So yeah, but spend some time with the family this weekend.

00:00:48 If you can, you know, go to the beaches and so on.

00:00:53 Take a walk, take a run, yeah.

00:00:56 So take some time to smell the roses this weekend.

00:00:58 All right, let's check out to see what's happening

00:01:00 in the Daily Express today.

00:01:01 All right, remove oil wreck or else.

00:01:06 Government warns owner that Gulfstream vessel

00:01:08 will be disposed of in one month.

00:01:11 And talking cricket, yeah.

00:01:14 De-ousing, doctors, nurses, demoralized.

00:01:18 Let's talk a little bit about this removal of this oil wreck.

00:01:22 You know me, I don't know about you,

00:01:24 but to me, I'm a bit surprised and shocked

00:01:27 and dismayed this morning that this vessel is still there.

00:01:31 So the Ministry of Works and Transport

00:01:33 is urging the owners of the vessel

00:01:34 responsible for spilling more than 50,000 barrels

00:01:37 of hydrocarbons along Tobago's coastline

00:01:40 to remove the wrecked craft within one month

00:01:42 or else it will be disposed of in accordance with the law.

00:01:45 From what I'm seeing here in this story also

00:01:49 is that an exercise is underway

00:01:52 to confirm the owners of the vessel.

00:01:56 So they have not found the owners of the vessel as yet.

00:01:59 But to me, because of the impact

00:02:01 that this vessel has been having on the environment,

00:02:04 to me, it would have been prudent to move it already.

00:02:07 But, you know, what do I know?

00:02:10 I'm no technocrat, I'm no professional in any of this,

00:02:13 but common sense would tell me

00:02:16 that it would be incumbent on the authorities

00:02:19 to remove this as soon as possible.

00:02:22 So if, I don't understand,

00:02:24 are we still looking for the owners?

00:02:26 I mean, get rid of this thing, take it out of the sea,

00:02:28 get rid of it, cut it up, whatever you have to do.

00:02:32 Yeah, but, you know, I think the removal of this

00:02:34 is long overdue.

00:02:36 Just focusing on that picture there,

00:02:38 the right way, Prime Minister Dr. Keith Rowley,

00:02:40 third from the right,

00:02:41 and Barbados Prime Minister Mia Motley, smile,

00:02:44 as former West Indies cricket great, Sir Charlie Griffith,

00:02:47 centre shows the two PMs how to grip a cricket ball.

00:02:51 As former Prime Minister of Grenada,

00:02:53 Dr. Keith Mitchell, left,

00:02:54 former West Indies fast bowling legend, Joel Garner,

00:02:57 Minister of Tourism, Culture and the Arts, Randall Mitchell,

00:03:00 and West Indies cricket great, Sir Wes Hall,

00:03:02 pose for a group photo on the first day

00:03:05 of the two-day CARICOM Regional Cricket Conference.

00:03:09 Let's touch on that story now.

00:03:11 Fix that deal, and the picture at the top there,

00:03:16 serious point Barbados Prime Minister Mia Motley

00:03:19 has a say during the panel discussion

00:03:21 titled The State of West Indies Cricket,

00:03:23 while former West Indies captain, Sir Clive Lloyd,

00:03:25 listens attentively on the first day

00:03:27 of the two-day CARICOM Regional Cricket Conference

00:03:29 at the Hyatt Regency in Portis, Spain.

00:03:32 So the story says, fix that deal,

00:03:35 TNT Barbados PMs call for review of CPL-CWI contract.

00:03:40 There were elephants in the room on the first day

00:03:43 of the two-day CARICOM Regional Cricket Conference.

00:03:45 Governance reform was one, youth development was another,

00:03:49 and the business of cricket was also discussed.

00:03:52 However, the question of the top of the lop-lop-sided

00:03:56 Caribbean Premier League contract with Cricket West Indies

00:03:59 and its ramifications dominated the conversations,

00:04:02 or at least hovered over them, all right?

00:04:06 So one of the main stories in sport in the news today.

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00:09:45 - All right, so welcome back, everyone.

00:09:46 So we do have a lot for you on our program today,

00:09:50 but in the meantime, let's deal with some of the stories

00:09:54 in the Daily Express today.

00:09:57 From COVID heroes to villains,

00:09:59 dousing healthcare workers demoralized.

00:10:03 Healthcare workers, including doctors and nurses,

00:10:05 are feeling the brunt of the demoralizing conversations

00:10:09 surrounding the deaths of several babies

00:10:11 at the NICU of the Northwest Regional Health Authority.

00:10:16 And the way the national conversation is going,

00:10:18 it has the capability of also affecting

00:10:21 the private health sector.

00:10:23 So, so said Health Minister Terence D. Elsing

00:10:25 in an interview with reporters yesterday

00:10:27 at the CARICOM Regional Conference.

00:10:30 He says, "I am fearful that if this country

00:10:33 doesn't pull back from the precipice it is heading to

00:10:37 with the way the conversation is being shaped,

00:10:40 it is currently demoralizing every single doctor and nurse."

00:10:45 He says, "We have a healthcare system of about 20,000 people

00:10:49 who are in the eyes of the public,

00:10:51 and the way the conversation is now being carried,

00:10:54 they have moved from COVID heroes to villains."

00:10:59 So a statement there from the Health Minister.

00:11:03 Just to tell you, was it this week or last week,

00:11:07 we had representatives from the President's House here

00:11:12 and they were speaking about a food fair.

00:11:17 Well, from what I'm seeing this morning,

00:11:20 President Christine Kangloo's

00:11:21 inaugural International Food Fair core

00:11:23 and friends, Cancuk, has flopped.

00:11:26 Now this is according to the report

00:11:27 in the Express this morning, right?

00:11:30 The event, which had tickets priced at $600 each,

00:11:33 was canceled because of poor sales.

00:11:36 All right, so that's the latest on the food fair

00:11:40 because of poor sales, it is off for now.

00:11:45 Let me show you a pretty picture here.

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00:12:00 All right, so that's "Fun in the Sun."

00:12:03 Star Grey and her daughter, Cheyenne Grey,

00:12:05 fly a kite at Woodford Square in Porta, Spain on Wednesday.

00:12:10 Brutal end for retired teacher,

00:12:15 stabbed, strangled and bludgeoned.

00:12:18 Beloved retired teacher, Dennis Ramliel,

00:12:20 suffered a brutal end as he was stabbed,

00:12:23 bludgeoned and strangled to death.

00:12:25 A post-mortem examination has found.

00:12:28 Now a report on the post-mortem stated

00:12:30 that Ramliel, 80, died after he was stabbed multiple times,

00:12:34 beaten on the head and face,

00:12:35 suffered manual strangulation of a neck and was smothered.

00:12:40 Yeah, you know, sometimes you just hear things

00:12:44 or you see things in Trinidad and Tobago

00:12:46 and then you say to yourself,

00:12:48 you know, they have crossed another line, yeah?

00:12:51 So now $70 million to repair three fast ferries,

00:12:56 including foreign vessel, as floating dry docking facility.

00:13:00 $70 million was spent on repairs to the three fast ferries

00:13:04 and to use the foreign vessel MV White Marlin

00:13:08 as a floating dry docking facility for them.

00:13:12 The information was provided

00:13:13 by Transport Minister Rohan Sinanan

00:13:15 at the Senate sitting on Tuesday

00:13:17 at the Red House in Porta, Spain

00:13:19 in response to opposition Senator Wade Mark,

00:13:21 who raised a matter of a motion of the Senate

00:13:24 calling for the government to provide the costs

00:13:26 of using the MV White Marlin

00:13:29 to conduct the dry docking works

00:13:30 on the three fast ferry vessels

00:13:33 and the payment made to a local agent

00:13:35 on behalf of the Marlins owners.

00:13:39 All right, so here's what.

00:13:41 We can move along deeper into our program for today.

00:13:46 So over the past few weeks, the country has been rocked

00:13:48 by the deaths of babies

00:13:50 at the neonatal intensive care unit

00:13:52 of the Porta, Spain General Hospital.

00:13:54 Now, these deaths have led to a number of concerns

00:13:57 and with us this morning is Dr. Nicole Ramlachan,

00:14:01 geneticist, Genyx Diagnostics Limited.

00:14:05 Doctor, good morning.

00:14:06 - Good morning, good morning viewers.

00:14:09 - Yeah, Dr. Obis, good to see you and speak with you.

00:14:13 Doctor, as I said, well, these deaths have,

00:14:16 you're hearing me?

00:14:17 I see doctor is, you're hearing me?

00:14:19 Yeah.

00:14:20 - Yeah, I just, you're now kicked in.

00:14:23 - All right, good.

00:14:25 As I said that over the past few weeks,

00:14:27 the country has been rocked by these deaths

00:14:29 at the NICU of the Porta, Spain General Hospital.

00:14:32 As you look at this entire situation,

00:14:34 all of the developments from the beginning

00:14:36 to where we are at this time, what's your reaction?

00:14:39 - Very sad, very difficult to see newborn deaths

00:14:46 of any kind.

00:14:47 So, you know, it's a very emotional situation for the public

00:14:51 and for the, of course, especially for the families,

00:14:53 very heartbreaking.

00:14:56 - Doctor, is this something,

00:14:58 I mean, you're a medical practitioner,

00:15:01 so you know what is happening in health

00:15:04 in Trinidad and Tobago,

00:15:05 you know what is happening at hospitals and so on.

00:15:07 But I think as a citizen

00:15:11 and someone who has been looking at this entire situation,

00:15:17 when we look at the number of deaths,

00:15:19 is this something common?

00:15:21 - Well, I mean, first of all,

00:15:25 I always have to preface everything I say

00:15:26 by saying I do not work for the Ministry of Health

00:15:28 or any government health agency.

00:15:30 I'm a private citizen, as you know,

00:15:32 I'm a clinical geneticist.

00:15:33 So my practitioning, as a practitioner,

00:15:37 I am a geneticist, right?

00:15:38 That's where I come in.

00:15:40 I don't practice medicine in this country

00:15:42 and I need to make that clear.

00:15:43 However, I can speak to the point of,

00:15:46 as a microbiologist, as a molecular biologist

00:15:48 and as a geneticist,

00:15:50 and a lot of these healthcare-associated infections

00:15:53 that we see occurring in hospitals

00:15:55 and occurring in places like NICUs and PICUs are common.

00:15:59 In that, infections occur

00:16:01 just because of the nature of the business, so to speak.

00:16:04 So you're having people come in who are sick,

00:16:07 you're having immunocompromised babies

00:16:09 who are born sometimes very prematurely

00:16:11 with incapacitated lungs

00:16:13 and the inability to be able to thrive on their own.

00:16:16 So you have to use a lot of what we call interventions.

00:16:19 And the interventions are where you get the introduction

00:16:22 of a lot of these healthcare-associated infections,

00:16:25 both in adults and in neonates.

00:16:27 But neonates and premature baby sense,

00:16:29 one is a very special case.

00:16:31 NICUs around the world and in Toronto and Tobago

00:16:34 have to be very well equipped and very well stocked

00:16:37 with top of the line equipment

00:16:39 to be able to respond to emergencies.

00:16:43 'Cause that's really what it is.

00:16:44 It's an emergency that has occurred

00:16:46 upon the birth of this child, right?

00:16:47 For whatever reason.

00:16:49 I always say, you know,

00:16:50 we don't have newborn screening here

00:16:51 as we have in other parts of the world.

00:16:52 Newborn screening is something

00:16:54 that would be able to account for genetic illnesses

00:16:57 that can cause quality of life issues

00:16:59 and failure to thrive and so on very early on.

00:17:02 So that if you are able to test these children

00:17:04 for it at birth or prior and prematurely,

00:17:07 which is what we can do,

00:17:08 you can be prepared for it

00:17:10 and be able to treat with it as soon as they're born.

00:17:13 When it comes to the fact that they are premature

00:17:15 and that is really solely what you're dealing with,

00:17:17 you're still dealing with developmental problems

00:17:19 and that the lungs are not compromised,

00:17:21 which is to speak.

00:17:23 The heart and the other organs might be compromised

00:17:24 because of the length of time

00:17:26 that the baby was gestation,

00:17:28 you know, the gestational period is now abbreviated

00:17:30 compared to a normal full term baby,

00:17:32 which would be post 36 weeks, right?

00:17:34 So there's a lot of things to consider

00:17:37 when it is you have a situation

00:17:40 where you have a bunch of neonates in an acute.

00:17:42 Overcrowding is an issue.

00:17:44 How often you clean the equipment is an issue.

00:17:47 The types of equipment that you have is an issue.

00:17:49 The, you know, the response.

00:17:52 And a lot of what happens,

00:17:54 I mean, I'm not stating that epidemics don't occur.

00:17:57 Epidemics occur in hospitals all the time

00:17:59 for these healthcare associated infections.

00:18:01 Like for example, the serratia marcerans

00:18:03 that they found in the Klebsiella pneumonii and so on.

00:18:06 They're commonly found.

00:18:09 However, what is different here is the deaths

00:18:12 and the amount and the fact that it went undetected

00:18:15 for a long period of time.

00:18:17 And that is what is difficult for the public to handle,

00:18:20 I think, and that's what people need to be able to respond to.

00:18:23 And that's why they're demanding answers.

00:18:25 - Yeah, because according to reports yesterday,

00:18:29 I see that about 16 parents of the babies

00:18:34 are now taking legal action.

00:18:38 And I'm just wondering,

00:18:39 how long such a situation has been going on?

00:18:45 Is it that this has been going on for a while now?

00:18:49 I don't wanna say years, but for a while now,

00:18:52 and people just have not been reporting it,

00:18:54 but because people are coming forward to,

00:18:57 we are seeing it looks like an increase.

00:19:00 - Well, the thing is,

00:19:03 is that it is clearly an epidemic, right?

00:19:06 So this is a bacterial epidemic.

00:19:07 However long it's been going on, we wouldn't know.

00:19:09 Because one of the key issues

00:19:11 and one of the key problems we have here

00:19:13 is they do not test.

00:19:15 A simple thing like a swab, a throat swab,

00:19:17 is commonly done in NICUs and PICUs around the world,

00:19:21 because you need to establish infection

00:19:24 and course of infection very early on,

00:19:26 especially if you have new birds coming in

00:19:29 and patients transferring from other hospitals

00:19:31 and those kinds of things.

00:19:32 You have to have a level diagnostic going all the time

00:19:37 for things like hospital and healthcare-associated

00:19:40 infections, and that's the problem that we have.

00:19:42 You can't, we can speculate all we want,

00:19:46 but there's no way to know,

00:19:47 because unless you have those swabs

00:19:50 that goes back and says,

00:19:51 "Okay, well, I checked 12 babies today

00:19:52 "and they were clear," or "They only had this."

00:19:54 They didn't have these really pathogenic organisms.

00:19:57 They had these less pathogenic organisms,

00:19:59 which we could deal with.

00:20:00 Or they had normal,

00:20:02 you know, nosocomial, we call it,

00:20:04 infections that are not severe, that are not pathogenic.

00:20:07 Like for example, something like staph and so on,

00:20:10 that you have on the surface of your skin normally,

00:20:12 people are sometimes shutters.

00:20:14 So we have this particular healthcare-associated infection

00:20:18 called MRSA, which is methicillin-resistant,

00:20:20 a really bad version of staphylococcus aureus

00:20:25 that is very, very resistant to all antibiotics.

00:20:27 And the reason why it exists in places like healthcare

00:20:30 facilities and hospitals is that the amount of antibiotics

00:20:33 that we use there, right?

00:20:34 The bacteria kind of senior weapons.

00:20:36 You know, I always do it like an army and a war.

00:20:39 So we fight in this war against these bacteria

00:20:42 that are bad guys.

00:20:43 And if we show them our weapons all the time,

00:20:45 eventually they're going to develop their own protection.

00:20:48 And that's what occurs.

00:20:49 Because in these hospital areas,

00:20:50 we're constantly using antibiotics,

00:20:52 and sometimes our strongest antibiotics,

00:20:54 they're constantly being moved and killed and so on.

00:20:56 So they are able to compensate by becoming superbugs.

00:21:00 And those are standard things.

00:21:02 Those are standard organisms

00:21:04 that live in healthcare settings.

00:21:06 But the point is that we have to test for it.

00:21:07 We have to know it's there.

00:21:09 We run a diagnostics lab.

00:21:10 We do bacterial diagnostics.

00:21:14 Most hospitals, most NICUs, most PICUs,

00:21:16 most areas where there's an emergency and there's a ICU

00:21:21 and any kind of care where there's additional care given

00:21:25 usually has to swab, usually has to test.

00:21:27 Not only the people who are in it,

00:21:31 and the babies and so on, but also the practitioners,

00:21:33 the nurses, the hospitals and so on,

00:21:35 hospital administrators, the doctors and so on,

00:21:38 the consultants have to be regularly tested

00:21:40 because sometimes, as I said, they can carry things in,

00:21:42 they can shed, those kinds of things.

00:21:44 So that is standard practice around the world.

00:21:49 As is normal PPE wearing.

00:21:52 You go see one patient, you take off your PPE, right?

00:21:57 You take off your gloves, you take off your mask,

00:21:59 you take off your gown,

00:22:00 and you change it to go to somewhere else.

00:22:03 Those are standard operating procedures

00:22:06 in addition to, of course, normal sanitation,

00:22:08 normal disinfection, changing of pieces of equipment

00:22:12 that can be changed in between patients,

00:22:16 those kinds of things.

00:22:17 - But what is contributing to so many problems,

00:22:21 or to so many babies experiencing so many problems?

00:22:27 What is contributing to that?

00:22:30 - Again, we don't know what problems

00:22:32 they really contribute.

00:22:34 Unless you are able to see,

00:22:35 and I was the one who was able to test

00:22:37 each of these children and say,

00:22:39 "Okay, well, they all have this type of infection."

00:22:41 I can't even say with certainty

00:22:44 that they are all part of this epidemic

00:22:47 of bacterial infections.

00:22:48 We can assume, that's what I'm saying.

00:22:50 We can assume that it was an outbreak

00:22:53 that went uncontrolled for a certain period of time

00:22:55 and undetected, and that's really what the,

00:22:58 I guess the parents are livid about and concerned about,

00:23:02 that the babies were in the care

00:23:04 and they possibly had a bacterial infection

00:23:07 that came from somewhere or came from outside,

00:23:08 because you're not born with this, right?

00:23:11 And I guess that's really the intrinsic problem

00:23:14 and the reason why they have chosen to take action.

00:23:16 These children were not born,

00:23:18 all of them weren't born

00:23:19 with the same bacterial infection, right?

00:23:21 Which is something that they acquired

00:23:22 during their care at the hospital, most likely, right?

00:23:26 But without being able to track and say,

00:23:29 "Okay, well, it started in December, 2023,

00:23:34 because the first swabs I had came from this set of babies

00:23:38 and it looked like it transmitted around

00:23:40 and it's continued."

00:23:41 We don't have that.

00:23:42 We don't have that data.

00:23:44 We have no way to know.

00:23:45 So at this point in time, it's speculation

00:23:48 in where the cause was and where the source was,

00:23:51 but it is known that there definitely was,

00:23:54 because the NWRH has come out

00:23:57 and said that they have detected at least three strains,

00:24:01 right, of the known pathogenic variants

00:24:05 that are found in these healthcare associated infections.

00:24:08 And they found that as in the last time that they checked.

00:24:11 Now, how long that's been there, again, is speculation.

00:24:16 The reason why it's there is speculation.

00:24:18 However, we can obviously deduce based on the fact

00:24:22 that how these epidemics occur

00:24:23 and how these infections happen,

00:24:25 that it was probably because of some sort of intervention

00:24:29 that was given, whether it was a central line

00:24:32 or something like that, or a breathing apparatus,

00:24:37 or some sort of ventilation.

00:24:39 And that is the machinery that was able

00:24:42 to sustain the bacteria that transmitted it.

00:24:46 It could just be basic lack of sanitation.

00:24:50 It could be anything.

00:24:51 It could be a shudder.

00:24:52 It could be a baby came in from outside that had it

00:24:55 and spread it around.

00:24:57 But the point is, is that there's a certain degree of care

00:25:00 that must be observed with neonates.

00:25:03 That is beyond a normal hospital setting.

00:25:06 And that's why we have NICUs.

00:25:07 And that's why we have PICUs.

00:25:09 And that's why we have ICUs for an adult, right?

00:25:11 We have to have the proper equipment.

00:25:13 We have to have a certain ratio of nurses to babies,

00:25:18 even doctors to babies.

00:25:20 The amount of administration that has to take place

00:25:23 of care is much greater than in a normal ward

00:25:28 or in a normal hospital setting.

00:25:29 - All right.

00:25:30 Doctor, let's look at things in a holistic way now.

00:25:33 Now, as it relates to this matter,

00:25:35 there are a number of unknowns, all right?

00:25:38 But if it is, if it is, let me ask the question this way.

00:25:45 I wanna be sensitive and careful how I ask this question.

00:25:50 If it is judging from the work that you are doing,

00:25:55 all right, yes, you're not associated in any way

00:25:58 with the Ministry of Health and the public sector and so on.

00:26:02 But judging from the environment in which you are in,

00:26:06 are we seeing in Trinidad and Tobago

00:26:09 an increase in problems concerning babies?

00:26:14 That's one.

00:26:16 And what can we do as a population?

00:26:20 And I know that your organization

00:26:21 is doing a lot in testing babies and so on.

00:26:26 How do these tests allow us to detect problems with babies?

00:26:31 - Right, so I'm glad that you asked that question

00:26:39 because, again, I am without the inside information

00:26:43 of what is actually happening, right?

00:26:44 I can look in, I'm looking in just like the rest of you,

00:26:47 but I'm saying in best case scenario,

00:26:49 this is what we should be doing.

00:26:51 And that's really what we aim at

00:26:53 in terms of diagnostic testing is critical.

00:26:56 When we are in a hospital setting or outside,

00:26:59 diagnostics is, you remember during the COVID days,

00:27:02 I would come here and continuously say,

00:27:04 everybody get tested, get tested, get tested.

00:27:06 'Cause if you do not know what you have

00:27:08 and you do not know what's being transmitted,

00:27:10 there's no way anybody can help you.

00:27:12 And it comes back down to the same thing.

00:27:13 And it comes back down with infectious disease

00:27:16 as well as hereditary disease.

00:27:17 So I mentioned prenatal testing that we do

00:27:20 with people who are with pregnancies as early as nine weeks

00:27:25 where we can look at genetic problems

00:27:28 in that fetus very, very early on.

00:27:31 We can do carrier screening for people

00:27:33 who want to get pregnant.

00:27:34 And this is all genetic disorders I'm talking about, right?

00:27:36 Not pathogenic infections, that's something separate.

00:27:39 The normal activity when someone is pregnant

00:27:43 is the doctor will send them for a list of things to do

00:27:45 at the health center or the private lab or wherever.

00:27:49 And one of the things is normal infections, right?

00:27:52 So they'll look at gonorrhea, they'll look at HIV,

00:27:56 they'll look at STDs, those kinds of things.

00:27:58 And in addition to things like rubella

00:28:00 and those kinds of things,

00:28:01 'cause those are known to cause problems

00:28:04 with the birth and the passage of the child

00:28:06 through the birth canal

00:28:07 in addition to the development of the baby, right?

00:28:09 And can cause severe abnormalities.

00:28:11 But in addition to that,

00:28:13 the things that we do on a normal,

00:28:16 again, as I say, method of practice of these professions

00:28:20 like gynecology, like obstetrics, like pediatrics

00:28:23 around the world is to incorporate genetic testing.

00:28:26 And as early as I said, nine weeks.

00:28:28 So we can tell you as early as nine weeks,

00:28:30 if there is something that you should be looking for,

00:28:32 there's something up,

00:28:33 there's something that the healthcare individuals

00:28:37 who are treating you should take notes of

00:28:40 when the baby is born, you have to be ready for XYZ,

00:28:43 we see that there could be a chromosome abnormality,

00:28:45 it could be something that might actually affect

00:28:47 the quality of life upon birth.

00:28:49 Those kinds of things is the information we can give

00:28:51 even to prenatally, right?

00:28:53 And then newborn screening is something that established.

00:28:56 And yesterday was National DNA Day,

00:28:58 this week is Immunization Week around the world,

00:29:01 the WHO.

00:29:02 And I mean, healthcare in pediatrics and neonates

00:29:06 is something that is so important.

00:29:10 I can't stress how much more important it is

00:29:13 because without them, we have no future, right?

00:29:15 Like at the end of the day, that is really where it begins.

00:29:17 And a lot of these nations like the UK, Australia, and US

00:29:22 have started incorporating newborn screening at birth,

00:29:25 where they check for up to in some cases,

00:29:27 200, 300 of the more common under 12 pediatric

00:29:31 hereditary diseases that show up in that period of time

00:29:35 at birth.

00:29:36 So at birth, they know, okay, well,

00:29:37 this child probably has cystic fibrosis genetically

00:29:40 and may present at some point in time in his lifetime.

00:29:43 It may have alpha thalassemia, beta thalassemia, sickle cell,

00:29:47 and it starts with its screening

00:29:49 and its treatment from birth.

00:29:51 So you don't have to wait a million dollars later

00:29:54 in diagnostic testing when this child is in the NICU

00:29:57 or in the PICU or God forbid, the ICU as an adult

00:30:00 and nobody knows what's wrong.

00:30:02 We can actually test at birth and give that forewarning.

00:30:06 And I mean, it is a cost.

00:30:09 And I always say that it's an initial cost,

00:30:11 but that initial cost can decrease your cost in the future

00:30:16 by so much.

00:30:17 We can actually look at pharmacogenetic testing

00:30:19 that says, okay, this child can take these drugs.

00:30:21 They can't take these other drugs.

00:30:23 So we don't have to wait till all the fine print happens.

00:30:25 You know, they may cause thoughts of suicide

00:30:27 and may cause early deaths and sudden death syndrome.

00:30:30 We don't have to wait for that fine print to happen.

00:30:32 I can tell you beforehand, genetically,

00:30:34 based on your genotype, don't take these drugs, right?

00:30:37 Don't take this.

00:30:38 And from everything, from aspirin to, you know,

00:30:41 all the way to oncological drugs, the cardiovascular drugs,

00:30:44 the really serious medical interventions

00:30:47 that we use treatment-wise, chemotherapies and so on,

00:30:50 all the way down to, you know, nasal spray

00:30:52 and cough syrup, you know, those kinds of things.

00:30:56 So there are lots of things that are available

00:30:58 to protect your child and protect your family.

00:31:00 And it's just really the lack of knowledge

00:31:02 and the lack of awareness of it that we have here

00:31:04 and through that.

00:31:05 I mean, we're trying our best to try to,

00:31:07 I always say, bring us into the 21st century,

00:31:09 you know, because we're not there yet.

00:31:11 It's standard practice in all countries around the world

00:31:15 that have that technology, but we need to bring it

00:31:19 so that it's normal here.

00:31:20 - Yeah, I guess what you're saying, doctor,

00:31:22 it's better to know than not know, right?

00:31:24 But yesterday you said, was DNA-

00:31:26 - Was better, so look what we're dealing with now.

00:31:28 We don't know, right?

00:31:29 I mean, you keep asking me questions I can't answer

00:31:31 'cause we don't know, 'cause we never test it.

00:31:34 - Yeah.

00:31:35 - Right?

00:31:36 So what's the message you said earlier

00:31:38 that yesterday was DNA Day?

00:31:40 - Yeah, National DNA Day.

00:31:43 Well, it's based on a human genome project

00:31:46 that was finished in the late 1990s.

00:31:50 And with the sequencing of the human genome,

00:31:53 that released so much information on our ability

00:31:56 to be able to detect disease,

00:31:58 our ability to be able to look at hereditary conditions,

00:32:01 in addition to, of course, evolution and all those things,

00:32:03 which were very exciting.

00:32:04 And it gave us the tools.

00:32:06 So those tools that, you know,

00:32:07 it used to cost a million dollars

00:32:09 to sequence a genome back in 1999.

00:32:11 Now it's like a thousand US, right?

00:32:14 To give you like thousands of genes in one package.

00:32:17 And I could say, okay, well, look,

00:32:18 these are the things that you are genetically at risk for.

00:32:21 These are the issues that you may have.

00:32:23 Even the discovery of the national,

00:32:26 the, sorry, the double helix,

00:32:27 and the structure of the DNA,

00:32:29 which occurred back in the 1950s.

00:32:30 And I always give a shout out to my girl, Rosalind Franklin,

00:32:33 who was not touted as Watson and Crick was,

00:32:38 and they kind of stole her lab data,

00:32:40 and put it forward and got the Nobel Prize.

00:32:42 And she ended up dying from ovarian cancer years later,

00:32:45 and was untouted as one of the discoverers

00:32:48 of the double helix.

00:32:49 But without their work,

00:32:50 and without the Human Genome Project,

00:32:52 we aren't able to do anything that we're able to do today.

00:32:55 Even the development of the vaccine for COVID-19

00:32:58 would not have been possible.

00:32:59 All of the work that we do with RNA

00:33:01 against pathogenic organisms,

00:33:03 like the ones that we're seeing on DNA organisms,

00:33:06 they're both DNA and RNA based organisms,

00:33:09 in the ones that we're seeing in the hospital and so on.

00:33:12 A lot of those things would not be available

00:33:15 unless these things occurred.

00:33:17 It will immunization week, right?

00:33:19 A lot of the vaccines that we have,

00:33:21 that is an enormous protocol.

00:33:23 And I think a lot of things that happen from COVID,

00:33:25 people are like, you know,

00:33:27 are wary about vaccinations,

00:33:29 and they worry about this,

00:33:30 and they need to recognize and go backwards.

00:33:33 We've been able to eradicate smallpox.

00:33:36 We've been able to utilize, like almost eradicate polio,

00:33:39 but I mean, it's back again now.

00:33:40 But there is so many things we could do.

00:33:42 We have vaccines against malaria,

00:33:44 vaccines against yellow fever,

00:33:45 vaccines against a lot of these pathogenic organisms.

00:33:49 By age 12, every individual child in the world

00:33:53 who has access to the immunization schedules

00:33:55 have at least 35 immunizations,

00:33:59 and in some cases, 47,

00:34:00 if they take the optional ones like chickenpox

00:34:02 and the flu and so on.

00:34:04 So you can't say, oh, I don't believe in vaccinations.

00:34:07 It's the first to go to school every single day.

00:34:10 We have to be, you know,

00:34:11 we have to show anybody who gets registered to a university,

00:34:14 gets registered to a preschool,

00:34:15 registered to a public elementary school

00:34:18 has to show their vaccination card.

00:34:20 It's something that's part of our protocol.

00:34:22 And all of that, you know,

00:34:24 all of that happens because of science

00:34:26 and because of testing

00:34:27 and because of our ability to produce these vaccines

00:34:30 and these interventions and these treatments.

00:34:32 And it's something that should not be poo-pooed,

00:34:35 you know, by these armchair warriors.

00:34:37 I always call them armchair doctors

00:34:39 and armchair university graduates of the University of Google.

00:34:43 You have to subject your information

00:34:47 to the same, you know, credibility as you would anything else.

00:34:50 You can't just believe something

00:34:51 because you hear it on the internet

00:34:53 and somebody's saying, yeah, what's up, right?

00:34:55 You have to understand what's happening.

00:34:57 Back in my mother's days,

00:34:59 my mother remembers the polio outbreak in the 1950s.

00:35:03 And she remembers lining up.

00:35:04 They had no old permission slip from your mother and father.

00:35:08 The area nurse came in,

00:35:10 lined up all the children outside the school

00:35:12 and everybody got their shots in their arm

00:35:14 and they went about their business.

00:35:15 They came home and you tell your mother,

00:35:17 oh, I got shot.

00:35:18 And she says, okay.

00:35:19 When it came time to not going outside,

00:35:21 they couldn't go outside for days and weeks.

00:35:23 They couldn't go outside.

00:35:24 And she remembers that as a child.

00:35:26 So these are the things we've forgotten.

00:35:29 You know, we always say we have an,

00:35:30 I think, what is it, a seven day memory internet or an idea?

00:35:33 I think it's probably even less than that now.

00:35:35 We have to remember what we have experienced

00:35:38 as a human population and build on that.

00:35:41 And that's one of the things that I always want to stress

00:35:45 when I come and speak to the public

00:35:46 is that knowledge is there.

00:35:48 Nobody's there to try to kill you,

00:35:51 to try to, you know, make something worse.

00:35:56 We are there as scientists to make things better, right?

00:35:59 And that is really what the impetus is

00:36:02 with National DNA Day and with Women's Immunization Week.

00:36:04 And even with this situation

00:36:05 that we are trying to process as a populace

00:36:08 and trying to figure out how do we move forward?

00:36:11 We have to embrace technology.

00:36:12 We have to establish it.

00:36:14 And as a public, we have to demand it.

00:36:15 You have to tell the people, look, I need diagnostics.

00:36:19 I need to be able to know what's up with my baby.

00:36:21 I need to know what's up with my health.

00:36:23 And without that, there's no impetus to do it.

00:36:26 - Yes, Dr. Nicole Ramlachan, geneticist.

00:36:29 Thank you very much for speaking with us this morning.

00:36:31 We do appreciate it.

00:36:32 Bye for now, doctor.

00:36:33 - Of course, no problem.

00:36:35 And contact us at any point in time

00:36:36 if anybody needs any kind of diagnosis,

00:36:38 gnostic testing as always.

00:36:40 - Bye for now. - Take care.

00:36:40 - Okay, so we are going to very quick break.

00:36:43 We're coming back, everybody.

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00:39:52 - All right, so welcome back everyone.

00:40:19 So we are continuing our discussion

00:40:21 on the recent deaths of the babies at the NICU,

00:40:24 at the Porta Spain General Hospital.

00:40:26 And as we know, families have been affected by this,

00:40:31 and even the fathers have been affected

00:40:35 of the babies who would have died, all right?

00:40:39 So we do have this morning,

00:40:41 the President of the Trinidad and Tobago Fathers Association,

00:40:45 Mr. Rondell Fields.

00:40:46 Mr. Fields, always good to speak with you.

00:40:48 Thank you very much for coming this morning.

00:40:50 - Always good to be here, man, and thanks for having me.

00:40:52 - Yeah, what's the position of your association

00:40:55 concerning what has transpired?

00:40:56 - I mean, first of all, we must, I mean,

00:40:58 wish condolences to the families.

00:41:00 I think people don't understand

00:41:03 that even fathers hurt during this process.

00:41:05 You would see most of the time, I mean,

00:41:09 and understandably so,

00:41:11 'cause mommy's hurting as well, right?

00:41:13 But this takes a hard, hard toll on a man as well,

00:41:16 as a father, your father would have had dreams

00:41:19 just as much as mommy.

00:41:20 Mommy who saw herself pregnant,

00:41:22 who went through the pregnancy.

00:41:24 It's an emotional experience for the man as well,

00:41:26 being a father myself of two boys,

00:41:29 I could tell you what it was to me,

00:41:30 to see, I mean, the germination and the growth of the child

00:41:33 will happen inside of your physical body,

00:41:35 but you feel a sense of responsibility

00:41:37 for both the woman and the unborn child.

00:41:40 You wanna be there for everything.

00:41:43 You wanna see how, you wanna feel it kick, you wanna,

00:41:45 so it's an emotional bond as well

00:41:48 that the man has with the child,

00:41:50 particularly men who involved in that level as well.

00:41:54 And I could only imagine the pain

00:41:57 that these men are going through as well.

00:41:59 And I totally empathize.

00:42:00 You may not see it broadcasted all over the media,

00:42:03 and that may be based on their request as well.

00:42:06 Some of them may not want to show that level of emotion,

00:42:09 which is not also a healthy thing for them as well.

00:42:11 So, I mean, I really want to send condolences out to them.

00:42:14 And the thing that truly troubles me and bothers me

00:42:17 is something that I think that we are not considering

00:42:20 when this happens.

00:42:21 And it's upsetting to me to a point,

00:42:24 the fact that these men now do not have

00:42:29 that paternity leave advantage

00:42:33 to be able to be there with their children,

00:42:36 but not their, well, possibly other children as well,

00:42:38 but their family, even if it's just their wife alone.

00:42:41 - To give them comfort.

00:42:42 - To give comfort and also to heal themselves as well.

00:42:46 We do not have legislated paternity leave in this country.

00:42:50 You get a policy directive of two to three days maximum.

00:42:54 In two to three days,

00:42:55 what kind of bonding and healing he could do?

00:42:58 How can he really be there for his spouse

00:43:00 who will be going through a very difficult time?

00:43:03 So, it's upsetting to me because I know these men,

00:43:08 and I'm sure it hasn't been publicized in any way

00:43:11 because they may not even be speaking about it.

00:43:12 And that is why I need to speak about it for them.

00:43:15 Two to three days, when that expires,

00:43:17 I'm sure they may get some bereavement leave,

00:43:19 which I think maybe about five days maximum

00:43:22 after that bereavement leave.

00:43:24 They now have to be searching for other types of leave.

00:43:26 They may have to then look for vacation leave,

00:43:28 take that out of the vacation.

00:43:30 So, if they take the vacation leave to grieve,

00:43:32 then more likely they are not later on in the year.

00:43:34 If the family want to make a trip,

00:43:36 they cannot take it at that point.

00:43:38 If the wife is going through a postpartum depression

00:43:41 or he's going through a high level of depression

00:43:43 because of this, he then have to seek possibly no pay leave.

00:43:47 And then the family, or even the man himself,

00:43:49 will be now in a financial position.

00:43:52 How do we take care of the family financially?

00:43:55 And it's upsetting to me because this is one of the things

00:43:58 we advocated for before the Joint Select Committee in 2018.

00:44:02 And had the Joint Select Committee

00:44:04 recommend a directive to the CPO

00:44:07 to have paternity leave in a meaningful way,

00:44:12 put on our law books in Trinidad and Tobago,

00:44:15 so mommy will get the leave and she will have,

00:44:17 she will still, even though the child has died,

00:44:19 she will still proceed to leave and have three months leave.

00:44:22 And daddy now, after two or three days,

00:44:24 have to go back, or after he's exhausted

00:44:27 his other types of leave,

00:44:28 has to go back to that work environment

00:44:31 where he may not be mentally prepared for.

00:44:34 As I said, even during the pregnancy,

00:44:37 men see the mother and the child as their responsibility.

00:44:41 So much as you know, locally, you know some women would say,

00:44:44 "Oh gosh, if you ain't give me what I want,

00:44:45 the child will get a mark on his skin," and all kind of thing.

00:44:47 And we men sometimes laugh at it

00:44:49 because we know sometimes, all right,

00:44:50 she just want to be pampered.

00:44:51 And I mean, that's all right.

00:44:52 We can't understand what she's going through

00:44:55 at that point in time,

00:44:56 but we know what we're going through

00:44:58 and we understand what our responsibility should be.

00:45:01 And I think particularly in these instances,

00:45:04 children are now born.

00:45:05 So I'm pretty sure at least 90,

00:45:09 if not 100% out of those 11 children being born,

00:45:12 the parents are together.

00:45:13 - Yeah.

00:45:15 So there has to be a review of the system.

00:45:19 - Of course.

00:45:19 I mean, it's so crazy for me to have to come here

00:45:24 to lobby for that, because it's sensible.

00:45:27 It's a human right.

00:45:28 Men make the same national insurance commitments

00:45:32 or payments annually as women do.

00:45:35 So why do they not have a paternal benefit,

00:45:37 take a paternal leave benefit with those contributions made?

00:45:41 Do you know that the wives of men who are unemployed

00:45:46 get a maternity grant based on their contributions,

00:45:50 yet the men themselves get no extra benefit from it?

00:45:54 How that could be fair?

00:45:55 And it's not about fairness between women and men,

00:45:58 because I will tell you 90.9 or 99% rather than 90.9

00:46:03 of the times I speak on this, women support it

00:46:07 because they understand what they went through.

00:46:10 And in cases where there isn't even death,

00:46:12 where there's life,

00:46:13 which is why we were actually advocated in the first place.

00:46:16 The woman needs assistance too.

00:46:18 She needs help too.

00:46:19 Sometimes she just needs comfort too.

00:46:20 Sometimes she just needs to take a walk.

00:46:22 You holy baby, now this is your shift now.

00:46:24 I going outside, I go and take a drive.

00:46:26 I want to go by the gym.

00:46:27 And if we are telling men to step up, right?

00:46:32 You hear prime minister love to say it,

00:46:34 president love to say it,

00:46:35 opposition leader love to say it,

00:46:37 every pastor, pundit, everybody saying,

00:46:39 men step up, men step up, men step up.

00:46:41 Why you didn't give them a step to step on

00:46:43 for them to step up?

00:46:45 So that's why I see it as hypocritical,

00:46:49 because I can tell you the fathers of those 11 children

00:46:53 are now trying to find a way to stay home

00:46:57 when they shouldn't be,

00:47:00 because they're doing everything, even economically,

00:47:03 by paying their national insurance contributions.

00:47:06 - Yeah, but doesn't it stem from the perception

00:47:08 that men should be strong or men should be stronger

00:47:13 and the care for women,

00:47:16 men don't necessarily need that sort of care too.

00:47:19 - And that is our misconception about where strength is.

00:47:23 That strength is just machismo,

00:47:25 but strength is nurturing too,

00:47:26 strength is caring too,

00:47:28 strength is protection too,

00:47:29 that is protection, protection is not always muscle,

00:47:32 protection is being there, you understand?

00:47:34 Being responsible,

00:47:36 being able to be there when your family needs you,

00:47:39 that's what real strength is about.

00:47:42 I always tell people,

00:47:43 you might go into a home invasion

00:47:46 and it might have the smallest man in size,

00:47:48 but he's the man and whether he live or die,

00:47:50 he know he going to protect his family.

00:47:53 That is strength, courage,

00:47:55 to be able to do what you're called on to do

00:47:57 at the point in time.

00:47:59 And I, as a man,

00:48:01 understand what men will be going through

00:48:04 at this point in time.

00:48:05 And as I said,

00:48:07 first I have gone before parliament

00:48:10 with members of both parties,

00:48:13 opposition and government.

00:48:15 They agree,

00:48:17 they recommend what we say since 2018

00:48:21 and from 2018 to 2024,

00:48:24 nothing is put in place.

00:48:26 These men and their families,

00:48:30 not the men alone,

00:48:31 'cause we love to hear men sometimes benefit from anything.

00:48:34 So these men and their families

00:48:36 could have benefited at this point,

00:48:39 had they done that then.

00:48:41 Why do we have to wait for tragedy to act

00:48:46 or for our leaders to act?

00:48:47 - But in these instances

00:48:50 where there may not be the right systems in place

00:48:55 to provide for these men,

00:48:59 whether it is financially

00:49:02 or let's talk about counseling and so on.

00:49:07 What do you suggest that should be put in place

00:49:09 even in the interim as a temporary measure to help them?

00:49:14 - I mean, definitely, I mean,

00:49:16 they enjoy a loss as well.

00:49:19 So anything you're willing to offer to the mother,

00:49:21 you must understand it must be offered to the father as well.

00:49:24 He's lost a child, you know.

00:49:27 And men have a way about them

00:49:28 that they will take that extra blame on their self,

00:49:31 possibly because society makes it harder as well.

00:49:34 He would say, boy,

00:49:35 "Wipe my child in the hospital for you."

00:49:37 No, I should have find the money and send him.

00:49:39 If she went private, this would have never happened.

00:49:41 So I understand how a man mind works

00:49:44 'cause I'm a man.

00:49:45 So long and short of the story,

00:49:46 I can tell you that he is wishing some way,

00:49:49 he's supposed to be the hero in the story.

00:49:52 He is wishing that he had done something

00:49:54 and maybe he could have done something wrong

00:49:55 and maybe he could have done.

00:49:57 And this is an important time for them to bond.

00:49:59 You know this could cause separation.

00:50:01 You know this could cause divorce.

00:50:03 You know this could cause finger pointing.

00:50:06 So they both need to be counseled

00:50:08 and they both need to be, I mean,

00:50:11 together more so now than any other time.

00:50:13 - Yeah.

00:50:14 - So his wife being there alone,

00:50:16 going through all sorts of thoughts in her mind,

00:50:18 possibly as I said,

00:50:19 going through postpartum depression,

00:50:21 he going to work, face people,

00:50:24 just must be giving them condolences

00:50:25 and all could depress him.

00:50:27 We are dealing with a society right now

00:50:30 where men are 80% the victim of suicide, you know?

00:50:34 Self hurt, you know?

00:50:36 Four out of five suicide victim are male.

00:50:40 So when people hear me lament and speak of somebody,

00:50:44 I realize people don't think

00:50:45 that men have vulnerabilities too.

00:50:47 But we do.

00:50:49 We are human too like anybody else.

00:50:53 We have vulnerabilities too.

00:50:54 And even if men like to play Superman,

00:50:56 Superman had a vulnerability too, kryptonite.

00:50:59 - Yeah.

00:51:00 - So long and short of this story,

00:51:01 the reality is are we doing what we are supposed to

00:51:05 for the males in our society to get through it?

00:51:07 - Have you been in contact

00:51:09 with any of the families affected by this

00:51:12 or have they been in contact with you at all?

00:51:14 - I've been in contact with some of the media reporters

00:51:17 who asked for my experience

00:51:20 based on the father's perspective.

00:51:21 And even some of them alluded to the fact

00:51:23 that this causing some disruption

00:51:25 in the home already as well.

00:51:27 And for that very same reason,

00:51:29 and that is what prompted me to come forward

00:51:31 to say something.

00:51:33 'Cause a man just know this is what he gets

00:51:35 and this is what he should take.

00:51:36 When really and truly,

00:51:38 we've never looked at all the points I just made.

00:51:41 When it comes to NIS contribution,

00:51:43 when it comes to his right to be able to be involved,

00:51:45 when it comes to the point that he needs to heal also.

00:51:50 What answer do we have to say

00:51:54 that he doesn't deserve paternity leave?

00:51:57 If he's doing, he's making the insurance contributions

00:51:59 and if he's involved in the child's life

00:52:01 as much as the mother is,

00:52:03 the mother will birth the child,

00:52:05 but he's there with the mother as well.

00:52:08 - Let's look at the next step

00:52:09 because you said that your concerns

00:52:12 would have been expressed at a JSC.

00:52:15 - Correct.

00:52:15 - Right, and you're a bit surprised

00:52:17 that nothing has been put in place for the man

00:52:21 when it comes to paternity leave.

00:52:23 What are the other options, if any, by your association?

00:52:28 - What are the options?

00:52:29 We've lobbied from the ground come up.

00:52:31 They often tell you, lobby and get parliament attention.

00:52:34 We've got parliament attention.

00:52:36 Where does it go?

00:52:39 We got parliament's recommendation.

00:52:41 It's now for them to act.

00:52:43 We've reached out to the AG.

00:52:45 We had a meeting with them scheduled since 2022.

00:52:48 Last two weeks after the tragedy with Amara,

00:52:52 reached out to him and he said sometime in May.

00:52:54 So we are hopeful that in May,

00:52:55 that meeting will come to fruition.

00:52:57 But why does it have to wait for tragedy?

00:53:00 Do you know, even in that same joint select committee here,

00:53:03 they recommended against parental alienation as well.

00:53:07 That if there's breach of access to any parent,

00:53:10 that the parent who's breaching that access

00:53:12 should face serious penalty for it.

00:53:14 This is one of the recommendations that came for us.

00:53:17 Yet, from 2018 to now, they have not put it in place.

00:53:21 And that is why I continue to say,

00:53:23 and this is the same thing Sheldon Lalit said,

00:53:26 if I had access to my child,

00:53:27 my child should be alive today.

00:53:29 You know what the memory that brought back to my mind?

00:53:31 'Cause I was with these men before.

00:53:32 Mr. Selvon Reyes.

00:53:34 Same thing he said, he went to the court,

00:53:37 he made the custody application.

00:53:39 The court said, I wouldn't take these children

00:53:40 away from their mother and give them to you.

00:53:42 Even though he had fears for their life.

00:53:45 And that judge signed the death sentence.

00:53:47 Because a little while after,

00:53:49 mother and two children were murdered by the stepfather.

00:53:52 You know what it brings to memory again?

00:53:54 It brings to memory again, Mr. Kevin Cumberbatch.

00:53:57 You know who he is?

00:53:58 He's the father of Kiana Cumberbatch.

00:54:00 That was a young girl that was killed by his stepfather

00:54:02 and stuffed in a barrel.

00:54:04 So based on all these things,

00:54:05 we've made recommendations because we understand stuff

00:54:08 like shared parenting, equitable parenting

00:54:11 between mother and father who both want to be involved

00:54:14 is an extra protective arm for children.

00:54:17 - But why do you think, or do you think

00:54:20 that there's still a skewed approach to men

00:54:24 and maybe decisions are being taken in an emotional way

00:54:30 rather than in an analytical way?

00:54:33 Because you have been speaking about these issues

00:54:35 for years now.

00:54:36 - It's culture.

00:54:36 We've done more than speak.

00:54:38 We provided statistics from the family court

00:54:41 in instances where mothers and fathers apply for custody,

00:54:44 where both of them are deemed safe

00:54:46 and a healthy environment for the children.

00:54:48 I presented the statistic

00:54:49 even before he joins the committee then.

00:54:51 66% of the time, the mother is given custody

00:54:54 based on nothing more than her gender.

00:54:56 32% of the time, the father is given custody.

00:54:58 And only 2% of the time, they've shared parenting.

00:55:01 When 2% with that shared parenting number

00:55:04 should be the highest in the tree

00:55:06 or should be 100% because they've been displayed

00:55:10 that they are interested

00:55:11 and they are capable to take care of the child

00:55:13 and they could share the child equitably without any issue.

00:55:17 But it is culture and culture is a thing

00:55:19 that is so dangerous.

00:55:20 And that's why I made mention in the crime watch

00:55:22 of the danger of influence.

00:55:25 And our culture is very influential

00:55:28 so that if we culture that mother, baby, daddy maybe,

00:55:32 or we culture that the child

00:55:34 should always be the mother,

00:55:36 men will always go and face this

00:55:37 no matter what is in the legislative works.

00:55:39 Many of the legislative works isn't written

00:55:42 with any bias or no.

00:55:45 It is the human being that is biased

00:55:48 that are not even seeing the bias

00:55:50 that have been trained or influenced culturally

00:55:52 that sits adjudicates and makes a bad decision.

00:55:55 - But you know, some of the things

00:55:56 that you have told us this morning,

00:55:59 you have provided evidence

00:56:01 why certain changes should be made.

00:56:04 So then the question is,

00:56:05 why have these changes you think have not been made?

00:56:09 - And that is why I have said and continue to say

00:56:11 though people disagree with me

00:56:12 that we have abandoned males in our society.

00:56:16 I've given you statistic for homelessness

00:56:19 that was issued by them.

00:56:20 The Ministry of Social Development

00:56:22 says in Port of Spain, 94% of the homeless are male.

00:56:26 Where are the social strategies

00:56:28 to get the man off the street

00:56:29 who you're seeing lying on the line

00:56:31 of them line up in front of Royal Bank?

00:56:34 You think if you saw a line of ladies

00:56:36 lined up in front of Royal Bank,

00:56:37 there wouldn't have been a social intervention

00:56:39 from somebody even from an external organization

00:56:42 to relieve their homelessness?

00:56:44 I give you statistic when it comes,

00:56:45 I give the country statistic

00:56:46 that was from the Ministry of Health

00:56:48 when it came to suicide,

00:56:49 I put it at 80%.

00:56:51 Over 200, nearly 300 men killing themselves

00:56:53 in the last three years.

00:56:55 Where is the strategy to help men

00:56:59 who go into levels of depression for whatever reason,

00:57:02 whether it is finance, whether it is broken marriage,

00:57:04 whether it is divorce or whatever it is,

00:57:06 when we see them killing themselves in record numbers.

00:57:09 I've given statistic year after year

00:57:11 for the murder rate, right?

00:57:13 This year is 575, 521 of those are male.

00:57:18 Last year it was 605, 550 of those were male.

00:57:24 So it's over always in 90 point something percent, 90 point.

00:57:29 And I don't know what I need again

00:57:31 to show the level of vulnerability

00:57:34 that men are at at this point in time.

00:57:37 It means, and it's the same vulnerability for boys.

00:57:39 So I want you all, I want you all to understand that.

00:57:42 It means that if you have a son and you have a daughter,

00:57:46 he's 90% more likely than her to get murdered.

00:57:49 If you have a son and you have a daughter,

00:57:51 your son is 80% more likely to commit suicide

00:57:54 than she is to commit suicide.

00:57:55 - Yeah, yeah.

00:57:57 Just incidentally, I don't know if Mr. Fields

00:57:59 recognized this, but the statistics that you spoke about

00:58:02 concerning murders, that was 2023 and 2022.

00:58:06 - Correct. - As you said this year.

00:58:07 - Oh, 2023, sorry. - Right?

00:58:08 - Good, thanks a lot.

00:58:09 - I think that we are 170 something murders

00:58:12 for the year 2024.

00:58:14 Mr. Fields, we just have about a minute again.

00:58:17 Anything else you'd like to share with us

00:58:18 before you leave us this morning?

00:58:20 - I mean, many people do, right?

00:58:23 And I mean, I'm not here just to beat a drum for men,

00:58:26 but listen to the things that we're saying.

00:58:28 We're concerned and we're also worried about crime.

00:58:32 But we need to understand that if we are worried about crime

00:58:36 and we're seeing men are the greater perpetrator of crime

00:58:38 and also the greatest victim of it, apparent murderous crime,

00:58:42 that we need to address some of the issues

00:58:44 that men and boys are going through,

00:58:46 particularly young boys.

00:58:48 We have the programs to develop boys.

00:58:49 We have programs where it comes to rehabilitate them

00:58:52 when they reach about 16, when there's not a gunman already

00:58:55 and they don't want to go in no CCC and no MIC.

00:59:00 And then even after some of these programs

00:59:01 that rehabilitate them,

00:59:03 there's no post program to employ them.

00:59:05 So when they get the training,

00:59:06 they go back out in the street and they now have a skill,

00:59:09 but they still go back and become a gunman.

00:59:12 How are we going to impact crime

00:59:14 when the gang leader shows more interest in the young boy

00:59:18 than the state and the community members around him?

00:59:21 Yeah, Rondell Fields.

00:59:23 Yeah, ponder, don't wonder, right?

00:59:26 Rondell Fields, it's always a pleasure speaking with you

00:59:28 and thank you for the contributions

00:59:30 that you continue to make in a number of communities,

00:59:33 you and members of your team in a number of communities

00:59:37 across Trinidad and Tobago.

00:59:38 It is appreciated.

00:59:39 Thank you.

00:59:40 All right, we are going to a very short break.

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01:07:07 with Richard Young, Creative Director of the O2N Foundation

01:07:11 and Kirk Cambridge Del Presche,

01:07:13 International Makeup Designer, Broadway.

01:07:15 Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming this morning.

01:07:17 - Thanks for having us.

01:07:18 - Yeah, well Richard,

01:07:19 we're in the final throes of things, you know.

01:07:20 - Yes, yes, just a few more days.

01:07:23 We have been waxing warm.

01:07:25 We have been rehearsing.

01:07:26 We have been consulting with the designers

01:07:28 who are taking part.

01:07:30 I have been consulting with the talent

01:07:33 that informs the show,

01:07:35 what I call it with brand identity,

01:07:37 jazz performing, spoken word artists, pan players,

01:07:41 moco jumbies, drummers, Indian dancers,

01:07:44 they're all going to be commingled into this spectacular

01:07:47 at O2 Park on Sunday

01:07:49 and it's a multi-level showcase,

01:07:52 really, really, really theatrical presentation.

01:07:55 I'm working to craft for the O2N Foundation

01:07:58 in support of the Diabetes Association

01:08:00 of Trinidad and Tobago

01:08:01 and we like doing all of that passionate involvement

01:08:05 with a cause, so therefore,

01:08:07 we are targeting particularly children with diabetes,

01:08:11 you know, and who might be a little more disenfranchised.

01:08:14 So we want to support them getting their testing strips

01:08:17 and so, and that is because our chair was former patron

01:08:22 of the Diabetes Association,

01:08:23 so she still has that proclivity to help with their cause.

01:08:28 So I am very excited and more so that I have my friend here

01:08:33 who is going to lead our glam squad.

01:08:36 He is an international makeup artist

01:08:38 but proudly being Vincentian and he daresays Caribbean

01:08:43 and he's here from a spew of doing Broadway productions

01:08:48 over the last two years.

01:08:51 I can't catch up with him and he took time off to come here

01:08:55 to head our glam squad team.

01:08:57 - Yeah, so Kirk, Richard has been speaking

01:09:00 about this event for a while now, you know.

01:09:02 We're very, very excited, yeah,

01:09:05 and we're waiting to see what's in store.

01:09:08 Tell us about your participation here.

01:09:10 He says you're in charge of the glam squad.

01:09:12 - So I've been a part of it for about four years.

01:09:16 So when they started the organization,

01:09:17 Nikki reached out to Richard and I came on board.

01:09:21 So I come down, like the first day I brought

01:09:23 about 15 Vincentian designers over to take part

01:09:28 and so we just come in, do our part

01:09:32 and try to make it as best as we possibly can.

01:09:34 - Yeah, no, as I said, Richard has been having us

01:09:41 very, very excited about this event.

01:09:45 When we speak about you being in charge of the glam squad,

01:09:50 of course you have to have a vision

01:09:52 as to what you want to contribute to this event.

01:09:57 What's the vision like?

01:09:59 Tell us a little bit about that.

01:10:01 - So we're looking, so when I landed,

01:10:04 I was, they were like, well, it's gonna be,

01:10:07 it's gonna be a glam squad, right?

01:10:08 And then we got there and we saw,

01:10:11 we've a huge team of models.

01:10:15 A lot of them are new and fresh, which is incredible.

01:10:18 And I was really impressed because for people

01:10:21 who had never walked before,

01:10:22 never participated in modeling,

01:10:24 they picked up a lot in a short period of space of time.

01:10:27 And so Richard and I were talking,

01:10:29 and I was like, what are we doing?

01:10:31 And he says, it needs to be clean, but on a next level.

01:10:34 And so we're doing a lot of things.

01:10:36 We're doing a lot of things with Jamila Cosmetics

01:10:39 and we had a discussion yesterday.

01:10:41 So we're coming up with something kind of interesting

01:10:43 and kind of sort of outside the box,

01:10:46 but within a sensible realm.

01:10:49 - Yeah. - Yeah.

01:10:50 - And you know, Richard,

01:10:52 I mean, I've said it a few times this morning,

01:10:57 people are very, very much excited about this event

01:11:01 or discussions over the past few weeks.

01:11:03 It seems to be something newer

01:11:05 and a mix, a color of various things, right?

01:11:10 It's gonna be an experience.

01:11:12 - Well, that is what I have always been doing.

01:11:14 My showcase is about celebrating our uniqueness to the world

01:11:19 and it's about celebrating our difference

01:11:23 while we acknowledge our similarities

01:11:25 because I am kind of like an anthropologist

01:11:28 and my work in the cultural sphere

01:11:32 is to make us proud of who we are

01:11:34 in spite of some of the vicissitudes of our history.

01:11:38 And what has creolized in this space

01:11:41 is a new world thinking, a vanguard thinking,

01:11:44 a frontier thinking that we could offer to the world

01:11:47 because we come from this syncretic space.

01:11:50 And so I celebrate that.

01:11:52 In fact, that's what gives me the spark every single day.

01:11:55 I just returned from discussing,

01:11:58 being part of the Sustainable Tourism Conference

01:12:02 in Grenada just last weekend.

01:12:04 And that is what I brought to bear on the table,

01:12:07 our responsibility as Caribbeans

01:12:11 and how we have to show it to the world brandishingly.

01:12:15 And so our style is a portal for me to have that discussion,

01:12:19 our fashion style, but I'm about the Caribbean aesthetic,

01:12:22 which is our way of maneuvering and navigating

01:12:25 our world.

01:12:26 And so that's what keeps me excited.

01:12:28 So as Kirk said, when he came there,

01:12:29 a hundred models working out,

01:12:32 trying to craft a way that says to the world,

01:12:35 this is how we do it.

01:12:36 This is our methodology in showcasing our style.

01:12:40 This is not copying or plagiarizing a metropolitan value.

01:12:43 This is how we do it.

01:12:45 And so he is not going to inform that on the faces.

01:12:47 The faces are going to represent what you might want

01:12:51 to call sun-kissed island style, tropical living,

01:12:55 celebrating sense of self,

01:12:57 and to get rid of those old values where you feel

01:13:01 that you have to approximate somebody else's ideal.

01:13:04 We are creating our own ideal.

01:13:06 So that is what I'm infused with when I do a show.

01:13:09 So I have Charmin Ford singing,

01:13:11 and I have Johan Chokhary playing Mars,

01:13:13 and I playing Pan, and I have Sakia Gill,

01:13:16 a fantastic spoken word artist,

01:13:18 and I have Shiv Shakti dancing,

01:13:20 but it's not going to be a concert of independent items.

01:13:23 They're all fused together.

01:13:24 The movement is happening with the dances going on.

01:13:27 The Moko Jumbies are there, the drummers are there,

01:13:29 there'll be dances in between the models.

01:13:32 So filmically, it's going to be beautiful.

01:13:34 And as you know, TV6 and One Caribbean Media

01:13:37 is one of our sponsors.

01:13:38 So we are going to have a television production

01:13:41 out of this that we're going to show

01:13:42 throughout the Caribbean.

01:13:43 You know, we have other partners who are going to show it

01:13:45 around the world and the diaspora.

01:13:46 So it's a television production being staged.

01:13:51 And it's really interesting.

01:13:52 I'm very, very proud of what we came up with.

01:13:54 And O2 Park and Rent-A-Amp came on board in full force.

01:13:59 And when you come there, you're going to be really surprised.

01:14:01 I mean, some of the designers came down,

01:14:03 and they were like, "Richard, okay, you went out this time.

01:14:07 This is totally different," you know?

01:14:09 >> Yeah.

01:14:10 >> Yeah.

01:14:11 >> It's completely different to what we did the last couple

01:14:13 of times, and it's bigger and more grand.

01:14:14 >> Yeah.

01:14:15 >> And, again, as Richard, the models are absolutely incredible.

01:14:18 And for young people who have not done it before, I was like,

01:14:22 "What do you mean she's never walked before?

01:14:24 He's never walked before?"

01:14:25 I mean, it's incredible.

01:14:26 It's an incredible crop of people.

01:14:29 And there's like a young man who -- what's his name?

01:14:33 Amir.

01:14:34 >> Amir, yeah.

01:14:35 >> And he learned to walk two years ago.

01:14:38 >> Mm-hmm, yes.

01:14:40 >> And he lives in a very far place, and he travels.

01:14:42 And it's really incredible and so inspiring.

01:14:44 Like, you hear the stories from these young models,

01:14:46 and they live in areas where they have to travel, like,

01:14:49 two, three hours to get there.

01:14:50 But they get there, and it just shows passion,

01:14:53 and it's incredible.

01:14:54 >> But, you know, Kirk, it has not passed mere

01:14:57 of your experience on Broadway.

01:15:01 And, you know, sometimes when we think about Broadway,

01:15:05 we in the Caribbean -- of course,

01:15:07 we do have experience with Broadway.

01:15:09 We do have actors and actresses in the past and so on.

01:15:13 But sometimes we see stages such as Broadway as far removed

01:15:18 from the Caribbean.

01:15:19 >> That's not.

01:15:20 >> And that we cannot achieve.

01:15:21 >> It's not.

01:15:22 >> That is something that we cannot achieve.

01:15:23 How does a Caribbean man get this opportunity on Broadway?

01:15:28 >> So the interesting thing is this.

01:15:30 Right now, I just -- so my four shows that are on Broadway now

01:15:34 is "Merrily Long We Roll," which is a Sondheim piece

01:15:37 that was the least favored and less successful ever.

01:15:42 And it's a musical, and it's a musical, and it's a musical.

01:15:46 And so we went into this production, and now it is the most successful Sondheim production,

01:15:52 and one of the most successful Broadway shows.

01:15:54 And that's still open.

01:15:56 Daniel Radcliffe, who played -- he was in -- he was Harry Potter.

01:16:02 >> Yes.

01:16:03 >> He's actually one of the stars of that show.

01:16:06 It's a musical.

01:16:07 And then there's "The Notebook."

01:16:10 There is "Lampyka."

01:16:11 That's a new piece.

01:16:12 It's a new artist, Tamara Lampyka.

01:16:15 And then I designed -- just designed "The Wiz."

01:16:18 And so all of this stemmed from "The Wiz" in its entirety.

01:16:24 So when I was young, my mother gave me the gift of "The Wiz" watching it on television,

01:16:27 and I fell in love with it.

01:16:29 And Diana Ross, Michael Jackson.

01:16:32 And then she said, you know, there was a Broadway production before that in 1975.

01:16:37 And the designer, choreographer, director was Jeffrey Holder.

01:16:45 And I loved Jeffrey Holder from before when he did "Doctor Dolittle" that was filmed in

01:16:52 St. Lucia.

01:16:53 And I heard his voice, and I was like, he's West Indian.

01:16:55 He's Trinidadian.

01:16:56 My mother said, yes.

01:16:57 And she tells me his story.

01:16:58 And I was like, wow.

01:16:59 So I was enamored by him.

01:17:01 Grace Jones came up in "Conan the Barbarian."

01:17:03 She's like, she's Jamaican.

01:17:04 And I was like, I want to do that.

01:17:07 And then I modeled for Richard for a while before I left and went to the States.

01:17:11 And I modeled there, and I became a makeup artist for MAC Cosmetics.

01:17:15 And I rose through the ranks.

01:17:17 And in 2010, I met this woman, Cookie Jordan and Tom Watson, they're wig designers.

01:17:23 And I came in to work on a show called "Fiddle on the Roof."

01:17:33 And they were impressed with me.

01:17:34 So the next thing, I was being sent out on tour with Disney with High School Musical.

01:17:39 And I designed the makeup for High School Musical.

01:17:41 And then I designed "Fela" on Broadway.

01:17:44 And in 2009, Cookie called me.

01:17:48 She says, I was in France.

01:17:51 And she's like, I'm designing this show, and I want you to design the makeup for it.

01:17:56 And I flew back, and it was "The Wiz" with Ashanti.

01:18:00 And so I did that, and it was great.

01:18:03 And from that, I pulled from Jeffrey Holder's version of it on Broadway, which what Jeffrey

01:18:10 did was to take his Caribbean aesthetic and bring it to an international audience.

01:18:16 And so when you looked at the costumes, it was Carnival.

01:18:19 When you looked at the hair, it was Bray and Nancy.

01:18:22 When you looked at the set, it was what we are as Caribbean.

01:18:26 And the world saw it as fantastical, but they didn't realize that this is the life that

01:18:30 we live.

01:18:31 We live these stories as children.

01:18:32 Our mothers and our aunts and grandparents tell us these stories.

01:18:35 And Jeffrey Holder was able to take that, embody it, and put it on a stage.

01:18:40 And they said that the production-- I mean, the production did not have an original playbill,

01:18:45 right?

01:18:46 Because racism.

01:18:47 And they were like, black people, why would they want a show?

01:18:50 They didn't give them a playbill.

01:18:52 The New York Times said that the lead, Dorothy, was a gargoyle, because she was black.

01:18:58 There was no black actress playing lead roles.

01:19:02 And so Jeffrey Holder did something incredible.

01:19:06 He had Coca-Cola come in, and they did an advertisement for Coke.

01:19:10 They were the first Broadway show to ever do an international campaign.

01:19:14 And they did a commercial for the show.

01:19:16 And the show ran for four years.

01:19:18 They said the show would close in three weeks.

01:19:20 And the show ran for four years.

01:19:22 And so we did the same thing with-- so we went in to do the version with Ashanti.

01:19:29 And that was supposed to go to Broadway, and it didn't.

01:19:31 And ten years later, leapfrog, I'm designing another show.

01:19:34 And I get a call.

01:19:36 I see the ads out for it.

01:19:39 And there was no makeup designer.

01:19:40 And I was just like, I want to do this show.

01:19:41 I turned to my agent, and I said, I want to do this show.

01:19:43 She's like, we don't know anybody in the show.

01:19:46 And just my previous work, because The Wiz is now my 29th show in three years.

01:19:51 And so the director said she'd seen my work, but we'd never worked together.

01:19:56 And the hair designer, original hair designer was Mia Neal, Academy Award, Emmy Award winning

01:20:04 hair designer.

01:20:05 And so she was like, she and I had worked together on the one that we did for City Center.

01:20:10 And she was like, we want Kirk.

01:20:11 He's the only person that could do this.

01:20:13 And so I came into it and reconfigured how we were going to do it so it's completely

01:20:19 different and used a lot of my Caribbean-ness and pulled from Jeffrey Holder's version of

01:20:24 it and brought the things that I remember and what I knew as a West Indian into it.

01:20:30 So it's not far-fetched.

01:20:33 And I said to young people all the time, dream and dream big and dream the unimaginable and

01:20:38 just keep walking ahead.

01:20:39 Don't look at anybody on the sides of you.

01:20:41 So I don't look at anyone on either side of me because that's not-- I'm very different.

01:20:45 Stay focused.

01:20:46 Yeah, because especially as West Indians, we are born innately with something special.

01:20:52 And sometimes we don't know what that special is.

01:20:53 But the special is just trusting the process because there's so many people behind us who

01:20:58 paid the price for us to be in the situation.

01:21:01 And you just keep moving.

01:21:03 And so this has been interesting.

01:21:04 It's been an interesting journey.

01:21:06 And it's easy.

01:21:07 And even if you can't-- you're not on stage, you could be in some other capacity around--

01:21:12 whether it's a stagehand, a musician.

01:21:17 Because on this, on the Wiz, there are several West Indians on this.

01:21:22 And none of us are new.

01:21:23 So Wayne Brady is from St. Thomas, Deborah Cox.

01:21:27 Wayne is the Wiz.

01:21:28 Deborah Cox is Glenda.

01:21:30 She's Guyanese.

01:21:31 This is Renee.

01:21:35 Alan Renee is Haitian.

01:21:37 So there's so many people--

01:21:38 So they're making them--

01:21:39 Yeah.

01:21:40 And we're all-- Alan is the musician.

01:21:43 He did the sound arrangements.

01:21:46 And so I'm the makeup designer.

01:21:47 And so there's so many of us.

01:21:49 And even I just designed Hercules for Disney in Germany.

01:21:54 You're a very busy man, you know.

01:21:55 Oh, I'm extremely busy.

01:21:56 But gentlemen, we just have about maybe a minute again.

01:22:00 Richard, as I said, these are the final throws towards this event.

01:22:06 We must remind people that the event is on Sunday.

01:22:08 On Sunday at 6 o'clock at O2 Park.

01:22:12 You can still get tickets at All Out restaurant, The Oval.

01:22:15 We can't bring it into one space.

01:22:17 There are a lot of people flying in.

01:22:20 We have a stylist who is Trinidadian living in Antigua who came in.

01:22:23 I have a designer from Antigua coming in.

01:22:25 I have a designer from Guyana coming in.

01:22:28 We have hairdressers who are Trinidadians who live abroad flying in to be part of the

01:22:32 hairdressing team.

01:22:33 So it's really celebrating Caribbean identities through our fashioning and our style.

01:22:38 And I applaud all the sponsors who have come on, like TV6 and One Caribbean Media.

01:22:43 The Hyatt Regency, O2 Park, Rent-A-Amp, NGG Communications and Consulting, and Richard

01:22:51 Young Inc. and Jamila Cosmetics, and OMG Media.

01:22:54 How could I ever forget that?

01:22:56 And we look forward to you coming and celebrating with us on Sunday evening.

01:23:00 All right.

01:23:01 Gentlemen, thank you very much for coming this morning.

01:23:03 And Kuk, thank you very much for sharing your journey with us this morning.

01:23:06 We do appreciate it.

01:23:07 Yeah.

01:23:08 Bye for now, gentlemen.

01:23:09 All right.

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01:26:19 So the 33 Days of Consecration to the Eucharist are set to begin this Sunday.

01:26:25 Here to tell us more about the 33 Days are Father Robert J. Christo, Vicar for Communications,

01:26:32 and Father Jesse Mango, Resident Priest, St. Finburys RC in Diego Martin.

01:26:38 Fathers, thank you very much for coming this morning.

01:26:40 Thank you so much for the time.

01:26:43 Father Mango, let's begin.

01:26:47 What is all of this about?

01:26:48 Because some people may be familiar with it, some are not.

01:26:51 So please tell us about it.

01:26:53 So basically we believe in the power of a movement to build up unity between people.

01:26:59 We are joining with a 33-day journey to consecrate our land and our nation to the Holy Eucharist.

01:27:05 So as Catholics, we believe that the Eucharist, as Jesus instituted this in the Last Supper

01:27:10 before he died, this ritual by which he becomes mystically, if you want, supernaturally present

01:27:15 to his people.

01:27:17 And to draw from that encounter with Jesus, power, strength, grace, peace.

01:27:23 For example, just last night somebody texted me and said, "Boy, I went to that chapel where

01:27:28 we pray.

01:27:29 We have a 24-hour space in St. Finburys where people come and pray before the Eucharist,

01:27:34 and we believe before Jesus."

01:27:37 And she texted me and said, "That's better than any anxiety pill."

01:27:40 For example, how practical this movement is to focus people on Jesus, to draw peace, love,

01:27:48 strength from him.

01:27:50 And that changes our homes, our schools, our nations.

01:27:53 It's very practical.

01:27:54 So we want to get a movement, get a conversation, a national conversation about Jesus and about

01:28:01 God, how to make contact with God.

01:28:03 So it's about really strengthening our contact with the living God so that we can draw down

01:28:10 blessings from heaven into our land.

01:28:13 - Yeah.

01:28:14 Father Christo, how is this program, if I can call it that, going to be rolled out?

01:28:19 - Well, two things.

01:28:20 It's not gonna be a program locked in.

01:28:22 - Yes.

01:28:23 - You can join when you want on catholictt.org.

01:28:25 Keep it up because we can't do everything here in this moment.

01:28:28 And it's a continuous program where you're gonna change your way of being.

01:28:32 You're gonna change how we think.

01:28:33 Repentance, the big word.

01:28:35 You know, I mean, build a conscience as a nation.

01:28:38 I was coming up to Port of Spain and I couldn't have seen the right.

01:28:41 And a guy says, "Come."

01:28:43 You know, I said, "That's some goodness in us still."

01:28:45 I didn't ask him, he's a stranger.

01:28:47 He's looking out for me.

01:28:48 So there's something to build the consciousness, you know, to change the anger management issues

01:28:52 and transformation, how we see things and see life, irrespective of religion.

01:28:56 So to make that shift from worship to living and being.

01:28:59 I'm wondering if we can cover it up with how we are becoming, how we are being the soul

01:29:04 in general and the soul of a nation.

01:29:06 And this is an option to transfer this from your worship, whatever you believe in, that's

01:29:10 fine, into becoming and living an act of charity towards neighbor.

01:29:15 Irrespective, you are living human person.

01:29:18 You have to respect that despite, come on.

01:29:21 So that conscious development is gonna come from the movement.

01:29:24 It's locked in not only for 33.

01:29:26 33 is a kind of 33 days of Jesus living on the earth.

01:29:30 It could be how many days and it could be continuous afterwards.

01:29:33 It's becoming Eucharistic, living Eucharistic, worshiping Eucharistically.

01:29:38 And the program is on catholictt.org.

01:29:41 You can go on the site.

01:29:42 There's some prayers to say for 33 days.

01:29:44 Just to verbalize and to commit to this Eucharistic presence, to accept it, to receive it, to

01:29:50 evangelize it, and to live it, most importantly.

01:29:54 So it's gonna be on our platforms, on TV.

01:29:57 The book, father has a book he's gonna be sharing.

01:30:00 And you can talk about the book, but it's any religion, any time, just to commit and

01:30:05 consecrate our nation to Corpus Christi, which is the source and summit of why we exist as

01:30:10 Catholics and a lot of other people.

01:30:12 It is Jesus.

01:30:13 He's the way, he's the truth and life for scriptural Christians, right?

01:30:20 So it's just to piggyback and offer something to our nation and our people to change the

01:30:25 way of being and becoming, especially in these times all over the world.

01:30:28 How sometimes I say, is it crystal?

01:30:31 Is it what I'm becoming?

01:30:32 This person got me so vexed.

01:30:34 Look how I'm behaving.

01:30:35 Stop, retreat, retract, and repent, and move towards something that is charitable for the

01:30:42 other in spite of.

01:30:43 - Yeah, Father Mengel.

01:30:44 - So yeah, I just wanna say about this book.

01:30:46 So Matthew Kelly is Australian, but lives in the States, and he has a heart for our

01:30:49 country and he's given us 30,000 books freely.

01:30:52 And this is being distributed throughout all our parishes, our communities.

01:30:56 And so not everybody's gonna have a book, but on catholictt.org, I'm making some daily

01:31:02 video reflections on the daily readings.

01:31:05 So the daily readings are like two pages.

01:31:07 It's not a big commitment, but as Father said, it's just retreating in that 10-minute pause

01:31:12 to connect changes everything.

01:31:15 In my own spiritual direction, where I walk with people about how to grow closer to God,

01:31:19 I would say what you do in the first thing in the morning matters for the rest of the

01:31:22 day.

01:31:23 You know what, those first few minutes.

01:31:25 So it could be the first thing in the morning, you listen to the video, this, and you set

01:31:29 your day on a different trajectory.

01:31:30 And your relations for the day will be different, right?

01:31:33 So as a church, it's really about love.

01:31:38 It's about the Eucharist, is that gift of Jesus to bring his community together into

01:31:42 one space, one mind, one heart, where he gives himself as the bread of heaven.

01:31:47 So in the Exodus, in the big Exodus, where the Israelites' manna fell from heaven, we

01:31:51 believe as Catholics that manna that came down was like a prophecy of this Eucharist

01:31:55 to come when Jesus instituted the church.

01:31:57 Because we're all pilgrims.

01:31:59 Every human being is a pilgrim.

01:32:00 We're passing through this world.

01:32:02 And so it's like, how can we help each other on this pilgrimage as brothers and sisters,

01:32:07 all of us, you know, in a common humanity, yes?

01:32:11 And as Catholics, understanding what it means to be the church, you know, to really to be

01:32:15 where we believe we're supposed to be bearers of light and love in the world.

01:32:19 So basically to every, some parishes have 24/7.

01:32:22 It's 24 hours, seven days a week.

01:32:24 We have the Blessed Sacrament Exposed.

01:32:26 You can go anytime of the night.

01:32:27 The St. Anne's Port of Spain has one, St. Fimbers, and the other parishes are going

01:32:31 to be getting on.

01:32:32 Some of them have it six to six.

01:32:33 Some have it.

01:32:34 - Cure up there.

01:32:35 There's a lot of adoration.

01:32:36 - So we're trying to push that.

01:32:37 So when you have a space, anywhere you are, come to a Catholic church and just sit, cathedral,

01:32:42 and just be, and just like sit down on the beach of Marrakesh and get a raise.

01:32:47 And irrespective of what you believe, and deal with your conscience, deal with your

01:32:50 being, deal with worship, connecting to life, and I mean, just change the anger management,

01:32:57 temptation that we have.

01:32:58 A lot of us are angry because we're not one with our own selves.

01:33:02 So we project this on.

01:33:03 If you will your mind, your heart, and your spirit not together, you can imagine what

01:33:07 we project out.

01:33:08 So all that contemplative work is what we're offering before God.

01:33:12 And we believe Jesus is God, and the Blessed Sacrament.

01:33:15 So we really want to offer a space 24/7 and for the 23 days and beyond for people to get

01:33:20 in tune with this spiritual supreme being.

01:33:23 - Yeah.

01:33:24 Father Mango, anything else you'd like to tell us before you leave us this morning?

01:33:26 - Like I quoted Bob Marley the other day on his movement, you know?

01:33:29 I mean, never underestimate what a movement could mean.

01:33:33 So this is really what this is about, to create this national conversation, as I said earlier.

01:33:37 Let us talk about how we could learn more respect for each other.

01:33:40 We are a multicultural nation.

01:33:43 Eucharist is about unity.

01:33:44 - Yes.

01:33:45 - Many diverse parts.

01:33:46 Even the symbol of the bread, the many grains coming together to form one.

01:33:49 So that's it, you know?

01:33:51 And this is something that we will see fruits from.

01:33:54 We will see fruits of it.

01:33:55 - Yes.

01:33:56 - It will change our country.

01:33:57 - Even the elements of the Eucharist is wheat, which is anybody can access it.

01:34:00 So it's not something you can't afford.

01:34:02 And that's what Jesus is saying.

01:34:03 It's for anybody, any spare life.

01:34:06 Come and I will give you rest.

01:34:07 I am the way, I am truth, and I am life.

01:34:11 - Yes.

01:34:12 - So, it was a pleasure speaking with you all this morning.

01:34:14 We are pressed for time, eh?

01:34:16 But it's a conversation I can promise you all that we will continue.

01:34:19 - CatholicTT.org.

01:34:20 - Yes.

01:34:21 - That's all we want to take away.

01:34:22 - Yes.

01:34:23 - Just get involved quickly.

01:34:24 Get on board.

01:34:25 - Thank you very much, gentlemen.

01:34:26 Thank you very much for coming this morning.

01:34:27 - Thank you, man.

01:34:28 - All right, we must go to a very short break.

01:34:29 We're coming back, everybody.

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