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00:00:10 And it's a beautiful and cool morning in Port of Spain and
00:00:18 certain parts of Trinidad and Tobago.
00:00:20 Good morning Trinidad and Tobago and the rest of the world.
00:00:22 I'm Marlon Hopkins and as always, welcome to The Morning Edition.
00:00:25 It's Tuesday, April 16th, 2024.
00:00:28 And thank you very much for joining us.
00:00:30 Well, we had a cool night.
00:00:32 When I got up this morning and I peered through my window,
00:00:35 I saw that it was wet outside.
00:00:37 Yeah, so I'm sure that not only in the area that I live,
00:00:41 that there was rain last night.
00:00:43 So a lot of people are getting up to a cool morning and
00:00:46 let's hope it stays that way, all right?
00:00:49 Have you all been noticing the mountains?
00:00:53 Yeah, the hills are alive, you know.
00:00:56 Not with the sound of music, but with the beauty of the Puy.
00:01:00 It looks really, really beautiful.
00:01:02 Yesterday I was looking at it and I was saying,
00:01:04 "I better get a sketch pad, boy, and some paint and a paintbrush and start painting."
00:01:10 No, I'm not. I'm telling you. I'm telling you.
00:01:14 Yeah, it is really beautiful.
00:01:17 And yesterday I was telling you, as you drive around the Queen's Park Savannah,
00:01:22 there are scenes of that too.
00:01:24 So the Puy is in full bloom.
00:01:27 It's really, really beautiful, right?
00:01:29 You know, sometimes you need to take some time out, you know,
00:01:31 and smell the roses, or in this case, smell the Puy, right?
00:01:35 Let's check out to see what's happening in the Daily Express today.
00:01:38 On the front page, "Scandalous trips!
00:01:40 Munilal slams Prime Minister's $10 million travel bill,
00:01:45 whopping $0.8 million for Washington visits."
00:01:49 All right, so Munilal, "19 official trips in 14 months,
00:01:53 millions on U.S. travel,
00:01:55 Prime Minister Dr. Keith Rowley's five-day trip to the United States
00:01:59 to hold meetings with high-level officials from January 28 to February 2024,
00:02:05 cost taxpayers $818,262.97."
00:02:11 That's titty, right?
00:02:13 And is that titty, boy? It has to be titty, right?
00:02:17 And Oropooch East MP, Dr. Rudal Munilal, said yesterday
00:02:20 he intends to file questions on the Prime Minister's trips
00:02:24 to ascertain the delegation, what meetings were attended,
00:02:28 who invited them, the agenda, and outcomes of the meetings.
00:02:33 All right, well, it could not be $818,000 titty, right?
00:02:38 So I believe that's U.S., and when you calculate it,
00:02:41 it amounts to over $10 million, all right?
00:02:48 So that's what the opposition MP is speaking about.
00:02:52 Also on the front page today,
00:02:55 "A nation mourns members of the public walk with lanterns
00:02:58 during last night's candlelight vigil at Aruka Junction
00:03:01 in memory of Amara, the late inset who was murdered on April 8.
00:03:07 The vigil was organized by Councillor Desiree De Freitas,
00:03:10 the Keys Foundation, Five Rivers Community Council, and FUN with Auntie Tova."
00:03:15 So vigil for Amara, stepdad sent to St. Anne's.
00:03:18 Let me just read a little bit of that for you.
00:03:21 "Beheading a 4-year-old Amara, accused sent to St. Anne's.
00:03:25 A man who allegedly beheaded 4-year-old Amara Lillet, or Lalit,
00:03:29 at her Aruka home last Monday has been sent to the St. Anne's
00:03:33 Psychiatric Hospital for mental evaluation."
00:03:37 All right, "High Court Master Margaret Sukraj Goswami
00:03:41 remanded Inshan Constant, 39, the girl's stepfather,
00:03:46 to the institution during his first virtual appearance in court yesterday,
00:03:50 accused of her murder."
00:03:52 All right, let's check out some sport now.
00:03:55 "Django staying grounded but still holding on to test aspirations.
00:04:00 Trinidad and Tobago Red Force batter Amir Django has test ambitions
00:04:04 and while he's hoping his double century will help him move closer
00:04:08 to realizing that goal, he isn't looking too far ahead.
00:04:12 Instead, Django is focusing on seizing every opportunity that comes his way
00:04:16 as he gears up for the final match of the West Indies Championship
00:04:19 against Jamaica Scorpions, bowling off tomorrow at Sabina Park in Jamaica."
00:04:25 All right, okay, so it's time now to remind you about Trinbago,
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00:04:38 There's this image of a wild lily taken by Taramati Kenneth.
00:04:44 Taramati, thank you very much for that picture this morning.
00:04:48 It is a beautiful picture of that flower.
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00:05:08 So we have a lot for you on the program today.
00:05:10 We're going to start off with some politics.
00:05:12 We know you like the politics, right?
00:05:13 So we're keeping an eye on the politics, right?
00:05:16 You have your coffee, your tea, get something to eat.
00:05:19 We're coming back, everybody.
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00:08:36 You have to groom them. First, you have to target them. Scope them out.
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00:08:57 You have ones who only looking for somebody to care and listen to their problems.
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00:09:07 Let them believe it's all about you and them.
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00:09:59 All right, so welcome back, everyone.
00:10:01 We do have a lot for you on the program today, but I just want to touch on a story
00:10:05 that has been making the news since last evening, since yesterday, rather.
00:10:11 And it's a very, well, I wouldn't call it interesting, but it has to be a story
00:10:17 with information that has to be of concern to everyone.
00:10:21 And I speak about students fearful, so Barrackport classes end early.
00:10:27 Email threat empties school.
00:10:29 Tensions were high yesterday at Barrackport East Secondary School,
00:10:33 where threats to kill pupils and educators on Monday and Tuesday
00:10:37 were issued to the school's email.
00:10:40 The threatening email was discovered on Sunday and was shared on several social media chats,
00:10:45 causing alarm among the school's pupil and administrative population
00:10:50 and parents over the violent and harmful nature of the message.
00:10:55 Now, the email was sent to Barrackport East Secondary School
00:10:59 on the Ministry of Education email address, as well as to two teachers of the school.
00:11:05 So the email stated, "Mark this date, 15-04-24, 16-04-24."
00:11:16 And it says, "I will shoot up the school and kill every student that goes to Beth."
00:11:22 That's the Barrackport school.
00:11:24 "Monday morning or Tuesday, guess we'll never know at 9.30 a.m.
00:11:29 Or maybe earlier or later, everything will go down.
00:11:33 I will make history as the top school shooter in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:11:38 This is not the only school that is going to get shoot up.
00:11:41 I promise every single soul will be dealt with accordingly.
00:11:46 Teachers and students will be dealt with in a very painful way that leads to death.
00:11:51 I've been planning this since the new year.
00:11:55 I'm sure I will succeed in my mission.
00:11:58 I'm coming for your school and the name of the school's principal."
00:12:03 Well, I know that the Trinidad and Tobago Unified Teachers Association
00:12:07 has responded to this statement, this email.
00:12:14 Yeah.
00:12:15 Tutor is saying the threats, it is being concerned the threats of lies of educators and pupils
00:12:22 as an act of terrorism and treason.
00:12:26 Yeah.
00:12:27 Of course, you know, this is not the first time we have seen things like these happening in Trinidad and Tobago.
00:12:33 And I don't know and I can't remember, and I'm sure that you all will be able to bail me out on what I'm going to say,
00:12:39 but are people being brought to justice for making these sorts of statements
00:12:46 and putting the school population into a frenzy?
00:12:50 I can't remember in recent times that anyone has been held in connection with these matters.
00:12:55 And if you continue to not hold people, it means that these threats are going to keep on happening and happening and happening.
00:13:03 All right. So I just thought that I would put that on the agenda for you this morning.
00:13:07 Something to think about. Don't ponder. Don't wonder.
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00:16:36 All right, so welcome back, everyone.
00:16:38 Thank you very much for staying with us.
00:16:39 All right, to kick off our program today, so we are continuing our discussion this morning
00:16:43 of a current controversy concerning internal elections of the United National Congress.
00:16:47 Now, last week, MP for Chagones West, Dinesh Rambli, said if the UNC failed to reorganize,
00:16:53 it would lose its third consecutive election under the leadership of Kamala Prasad Bissessa.
00:16:58 Well, Mr. Rambli is here with us this morning.
00:17:00 Mr. Rambli, good morning.
00:17:03 Hi, good morning, Marlon.
00:17:04 Good morning to your viewers and listeners.
00:17:07 Yes, always good to speak with you, sir.
00:17:09 All right, well, last week, Mr. Rambli, you said that you had a responsibility to do right
00:17:14 by your constituents and the people of the nation as the party in its present state could not win any election.
00:17:21 You also admitted that there would now be a political bullseye placed on your back.
00:17:28 And the question is, Mr. Rambli, is that you could have stayed silent.
00:17:33 You know what the political risks are.
00:17:38 So then why have you come out knowing these risks publicly and speaking as to what you believe is transpiring within the UNC?
00:17:56 Marlon, are you hearing me?
00:17:58 Yes, loud and clear, sir.
00:18:00 OK, we seem to be on my end.
00:18:03 We seem to be having a little bit of audio difficulty.
00:18:06 All right. But I heard you certainly up to the point of why then you spoke about a political bullseye and then why then, you know, speaking of now, I assume.
00:18:18 Yes. You went on to ask. Yes.
00:18:21 Let me say, Marlon, first of all, yes, I view myself as having a public responsibility.
00:18:29 It is a responsibility to the constituents of Chaguanas, Chaguanas West.
00:18:35 What I have voiced on last Friday are matters which have been also voiced to me in terms of are we in a state, meaning the UNC, in a state of readiness?
00:18:48 Should the elections be called anytime soon to be able to wrestle the power away from the PNM, the ruling PNM, and to go into governance?
00:19:00 And so these are questions that when asked, you have to do a fair amount of introspection.
00:19:06 You have to assess where you are in terms of your individual self within the party.
00:19:13 And then you assess around the wider party. And I have looked at it, Marlon, for some time.
00:19:19 In fact, having seen some of my parliamentary colleagues voice their concerns in terms of what the party constitution provides for, namely internal elections.
00:19:33 I use the word internal elections very, very clearly. I used it last Friday. I'm using it again.
00:19:40 The constitution provides for elections. Those elections have traditionally been called together, namely the executive along with the leader.
00:19:51 I am not insisting on one or the other. I'm just asking for what the constitution provides for.
00:19:57 And also, I want to make it clear that when I spoke out, I never asked or demanded or said that Mrs. Bisset must resign.
00:20:07 I said that let us have that internal mandate. And if we have that internal mandate, I am saying that that is where I think that the party really strengthens itself.
00:20:19 You have a fresh mandate that allows you to say, well, OK, whether it be Mrs. Bisset or whether it be anyone else.
00:20:28 I deliberately have not gotten caught up in it from the original or I should say from the inception when we heard certain speakers come out and make their call.
00:20:41 I have come at this stage because I am very concerned, Marlon, that what I saw was some form of oppression or attack coming from the leadership,
00:20:55 which means the leader and the national executive members and some other members from the parliamentary arm and otherwise.
00:21:04 You have some executives attacking my colleagues and I am very concerned about that.
00:21:11 But you know, that's the reason why when I spoke out, I knew that is why I used the term.
00:21:16 I don't mean that I am in any way. This is a personal thing. I know that in politics it could become somewhat robust.
00:21:24 And so I fully expect that persons will have their views that they wish to voice.
00:21:29 I, too, have a view and I think my view is the right one. I think mine is a constructive one.
00:21:35 And I think when taken on board, certainly it will only make the party stronger.
00:21:41 I cannot see that if you express concerns and you voice concerns, even though it may become untenable to some, it may be deemed unsavory to others.
00:21:53 That when it is all dealt with, that it is going to make it anyway weaker. Marlon, for some reason, I'm not hearing you.
00:22:01 We're hearing you loud and clear. We're hearing you loud and clear, sir. I hope that you're hearing me. You're hearing me.
00:22:06 Yes. So we're hearing you loud and clear. But on the surface, on the surface, this seems to be a very simple issue on the surface to settle.
00:22:15 Because if the party, and you even said so this morning, the party has agreed to have the elections when they are constitutionally due.
00:22:24 The information in the public domain is that that is June 22nd.
00:22:31 So then why the hesitation by the party to announce a date for these elections?
00:22:39 And why such serious concern from MPs, from persons within the party for the elections to be called?
00:22:51 Well, Marlon, if it is that elections are due in June, and that seems to have been conceded by the national executive, by the leadership.
00:23:02 And elections, I have indicated that elections is a process. And elections is not simply where you simply get up one morning and you say,
00:23:10 "Hey, last night I went to bed thinking that I was going to call this thing on June 25th. And I'm going to follow through with that.
00:23:18 And therefore, I'm going to announce this morning, it is June 25th."
00:23:21 You announce that elections will be held sometime in June, as expected.
00:23:27 And therefore, towards that you start to indicate, "Well, I have put forward an elections committee. It has been established.
00:23:34 The elections committee comprises Mr. X, Mrs. Y."
00:23:38 You put forward that, you know, your membership has to be regularized.
00:23:42 I mean, regularized in terms of those who may be seeking membership.
00:23:46 You have a particular period of time.
00:23:49 And those who are members, you can go and establish yourself, make sure you are on this list.
00:23:54 The list is available, headquarters, whatsoever, online, whatever it is.
00:23:59 Well, I highly doubt it should be something to go online, but at the headquarters, as the case may be.
00:24:03 So that you have room for expression of interest.
00:24:08 You really want to get the widest cross-section, or you want to make sure that the widest cross-section has accessibility to your process.
00:24:17 And then it goes on with what the elections rules and etc.
00:24:20 So, it's a process. You can't simply say that you announce one day that in three weeks time I'm holding an election.
00:24:27 I think that if you truly are in cooperative of all of your membership, and you want to get a view which is expressive of the wider membership, wide as possible, you will make sure to engage in the process.
00:24:41 It is when you haven't seen any steps moving towards that process.
00:24:45 And mind you, we have not had under the constitution what you ought to have over the past few terms, which is, for example, the holding of a national congress.
00:24:56 So, you would find that if you held under the constitution, for example, a meeting, the national congress, and that is where the entire wider membership comes together.
00:25:06 They can pass motions on the floor, well, we want this particular initiative to be implemented in the party.
00:25:13 We want to say something, and these are things that would lead to the elections. We haven't had that, Marlon.
00:25:19 But has there been a softening by the party?
00:25:26 Of course, before you, a few other MPs have expressed concern about that.
00:25:32 Is the party staying firm or maintaining its position that the elections are going to be held when they are constitutionally due?
00:25:40 Has there been any softening? Has there been any movement?
00:25:43 Has there been any overtures by the party to bring in the MPs who have concerns and have a discussion with them and try to resolve this?
00:25:53 Well, Marlon, I can't speak for the others.
00:25:57 I really don't know if there were overtures made in relation to the other MPs.
00:26:06 I can speak for myself.
00:26:08 Yesterday on another program, in another forum, I indicated that I spoke out.
00:26:15 When I spoke out last week, Friday, I spoke on my own.
00:26:18 I have not been in consultation with these MPs.
00:26:21 I have been watching on.
00:26:23 I want to say that certainly in respect to myself, what I saw as a response coming from the political leader, there is no softening.
00:26:33 In fact, I was quite surprised that the response of the political leader was that precautions were being taken with respect to the sharing of information.
00:26:46 In the context of internally, after three UNC MPs voted against the UNC's nominee for president last year to protect the party information, so some members of the MPs will not be aware of the activities occurring within the organization.
00:27:05 So that was a generalized statement made in response to all of the complaints that I had listed or concerns I had listed last Friday.
00:27:14 And so I don't see that as a softening.
00:27:16 I see that as something that really requires, first of all, one, it fortifies my position that all is not well.
00:27:24 Two, I really don't know how the leadership could really come out and say, look, they have identified three MPs.
00:27:33 When you had 19 MPs, six senators, it is a secret ballot.
00:27:39 How were you able to identify that there were three MPs and that these are the MPs who spoiled their ballots or tampered or something with the ballots?
00:27:50 And therefore, you now have figured out that Denae Shrambley, I assume, because they didn't call my name and I dare them to, but let them say that, OK, this is the position.
00:28:01 And, you know, I somehow spoiled my ballot. That had to be some arbitrary or by kivai or by whim sort of response about whether or not somebody spoiled their ballot.
00:28:15 Number one. Number two, you are using that.
00:28:18 And that is a political bullseye now because you are trying to paint the picture amongst a certain part of the membership that Denae is somehow a traitor.
00:28:29 Denae is somehow he went against us. We had a nominee for president and he now I don't know how on earth you decipher that and you pin that target on me.
00:28:39 Yes, I really don't know how the leadership knows these things.
00:28:43 I also even for those who may not have transgressed the fact that listen, meaning that they don't really understand the process, that this is a secret ballot.
00:28:54 I want to say that this whole process of selecting a president is not caught by the way it is a secret ballot in the Electoral College for a reason.
00:29:05 So therefore, on what provision did the leadership exercise that authority under the UNC constitution to withhold information on activities occurring within the party parliamentary or otherwise from fellow MPs?
00:29:21 Yes, this is something that is troubling Marlon.
00:29:24 And this is what led to me responding yesterday to say that I have concerns even with that response, because I view it as a cloak and dagger manner of handling things without regard to the UNC constitution.
00:29:39 And I have called it rank favoritism bestowed on party members at the expense of others.
00:29:48 And it gives credence Marlon to what I said to the country on last Friday about the internal failures of the party.
00:29:57 We cannot continue like this.
00:29:59 I want to make it clear Marlon so that you know, before you know, our time runs out.
00:30:03 I want to make it clear.
00:30:04 I see people using terminology like laser focus and laser sharp and what have you, convex lens and concave and whatever else they choose to call it when they are speaking about being focused.
00:30:17 I am focused on one thing.
00:30:19 I know what the enemy is.
00:30:20 You know, the enemy to me as member of parliament for sure, one is West are clearly the issues of crime.
00:30:27 The enemy to me are all the social ills.
00:30:30 And in dealing with the enemy right now, I view it very clearly.
00:30:35 I know who the political enemy is.
00:30:38 We have a political enemy, which I know to be the PNM, the rowly led PNM.
00:30:43 And the reason why I make the distinction is because we fight, but I know what the focus is.
00:30:49 At the end of the day, whilst I have a political opponent, I know what the true enemy is.
00:30:53 The enemy is trying to deal with all of the social ills.
00:30:57 And the one way to do it is to make sure we wrestle governance from the rowly led PNM.
00:31:04 And that is my concern.
00:31:05 Are we able to wrestle power from Dr. Keith Rowley and the PNM as it is now?
00:31:11 A few questions before time gets to us, Mr. Rambly.
00:31:17 Following your news conference last Friday, the chairman of the UNC, Divindranath Tanku, he responded.
00:31:26 So he has denounced what he describes as an attack by you on the democratic rights of the party.
00:31:37 And you questioning the political leader and the party's national executive.
00:31:44 That's one. He describes the timing of the pushback, saying it was a mischievous.
00:31:49 He also calls the concerns concerning the election a non-issue.
00:31:53 And also you had the the Chagones West constituency executive.
00:32:00 They have issued a release signed by its chairman, Chagones Mayor Faiq Mohammed,
00:32:05 which said that Rambly went off on a madman's rant, attacking the opposition leader and his own colleagues.
00:32:16 So you have to respond. You know, prior to that, prior to that Chagones West statement,
00:32:23 I don't know that that Chagones West executive has done anything, anything.
00:32:29 I would like them to point out when, where, how, who they communicated with.
00:32:35 That Chagones West executive is defunct. It has never done anything.
00:32:40 It's a bunch of hand selected persons of Mrs. Persaud Bissessa.
00:32:46 And they are there to do the leadership's bidding. That is one of the problems I spoke about.
00:32:53 You have these so-called arms of the party, which have been handcrafted and hand selected.
00:33:01 They have not been chosen properly. And Mal and Rally, I don't wish to go into detail,
00:33:07 but maybe the Chagones West, that particular executive and the leadership could explain to this country
00:33:14 why when they were about to be selected or elected, as the case may be,
00:33:19 that you had ballot boxes arriving into the, what you call it, the voting compound.
00:33:26 Right. So the establishment which was in place for conducting the elections,
00:33:32 when the count was about to take place or was in the process of taking place,
00:33:37 you had ballot boxes arriving on the scene. It is something I have never gone public about, Malin,
00:33:43 but it is on public record that that in fact occurred. It led to almost illegal proceedings being taken.
00:33:50 And again, I did not bring up this. It is in the context of they saying I am on a madman's rant.
00:33:57 They have absolutely no authority. The reason why I may not get along with some of them, Malin,
00:34:03 unfortunately, when I speak, I like to speak in a language where you have verb, right, subject, object, extension.
00:34:12 I like to construct my sentences in a particular way. I speak the English language.
00:34:16 I string together sentences and I try my best to communicate in a manner where people can understand.
00:34:22 Unfortunately, with that executive led by the person who signed off that particular document,
00:34:29 they do not really speak that kind of English, sorry to say, and I would not see eye to eye to them
00:34:36 because they don't speak a language that I can understand. That is as mild as I can put it.
00:34:43 But these are not people who are working in the interest of the membership of the party.
00:34:48 They work in the interest of self. They have never done a singular initiative and gave something that assists,
00:34:56 whether it be Chaguanas West or any other central location.
00:34:59 But do you still have faith in the political leadership of Mrs. Pasad Becesa?
00:35:05 Do you think that she can lead the party to victory in the next general election?
00:35:11 No, she cannot lead anything into victory. Definitely not. I have made my position clear.
00:35:17 Mrs. Pasad Becesa is an abject failure. She has now become a serial loser in losing elections.
00:35:27 So that is as strong as I can put it. And as you know, I have to say, you look at by virtue of track record,
00:35:37 Mrs. Pasad Becesa, Malan, and this is not a personal attack.
00:35:43 This is by virtue of looking at what is being black and white.
00:35:47 You went into government in 2010. You rode a very good wave, a wave of generous support.
00:35:56 It was clear that the majority of the population invested in you to lead this country in 2010.
00:36:03 You did so. And by 2012, 2013, you started to lose elections.
00:36:09 You had a by-election for Chaguanas West. You then had a by-election for St. Joseph.
00:36:15 You then had etc. It started to go on. All of these elections, 2015, you came and lost.
00:36:21 That was a general election. So from 29 to 12 seats, Malan, you then went and you lost the general elections in 2015.
00:36:30 People like myself, Malan, like myself, expressed an interest in serving in electoral politics in 2020.
00:36:41 But guess what? In 2020, we did not win.
00:36:45 And it was fairly accepted, not only by the wider UNC membership, but by the population,
00:36:52 that the PNM was not popular because we had started the pandemic in March of 2020.
00:36:59 Elections were in August. And people were very concerned about the rollout of pandemic regulations, etc.
00:37:06 Mr. Rambley?
00:37:07 I just have about one minute again. Are you interested in the leadership or leading the United National Congress?
00:37:17 That's one. I have one minute, but I'm giving you two questions in one minute.
00:37:21 So are you interested in leading the UNC? That's one. And two, what's next for you as it relates to these internal elections of the UNC?
00:37:34 Right. Malan, my whole thrust and speaking out, it would betray what I want to accomplish by simply saying whether I'm interested in leadership or not.
00:37:47 That is not the case. That was not in my mind. Leadership is something that will be drawn from the membership.
00:37:54 If it is announced and you initiate the processes towards having internal elections.
00:38:00 So it's nothing about Dina Shambley is on a mad grab for power and wants leadership or whatever.
00:38:06 But even if someone wants to do that and put their hat in the ring, I don't see anything wrong with it.
00:38:12 But no, that is not what my speaking out is about. It is about strengthening the party so that we can win elections.
00:38:18 And I'm saying Mrs. Posadby says I cannot do it. In terms of what's next for me, Malan, the people of Shekwagones West constituency and the wider citizenry.
00:38:27 But in electoral politics, it comes down to Shekwagones West. They will determine that, Malan.
00:38:32 And for me, I will always be willing to serve. I had a track record of serving the population before I entered electoral politics.
00:38:39 And I can assure the population that after if there is a time soon that electoral politics comes to an end for me, I can assure you I will still be doing all of the advocacy I was doing before in terms of serving Trinidad and Tobago.
00:38:54 Mr. Rambley, it was a pleasure speaking with you this morning. Thank you very much for taking the time with us in trying to remove some of the dark clouds concerning this issue.
00:39:03 Thank you very much again. Thank you, Malan. And thank you to your viewers and listeners.
00:39:08 Of course, we are going to very short break, everybody. We're coming back.
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00:42:16 Welcome back everyone.
00:42:18 The Distinguished Leadership and Innovation Conference Series is a Caribbean leadership conference presented by the Arthur Lockjack Global School of Business.
00:42:27 The aim of this conference is to strengthen the region's capacity in the area of leadership and innovation.
00:42:34 So here to tell us more about the event this morning is Chief Executive Officer and Professor Enrique Bonchil.
00:42:43 He's the key speaker at the event.
00:42:47 All right.
00:42:48 Do we do have the professor online?
00:42:49 Professor, good morning.
00:42:52 Good morning.
00:42:54 Thank you very much for joining us this morning.
00:42:57 And I suspect a little later we are going to be joined by Mr. Mariano Brown.
00:43:01 But in the meantime, Professor, what's the message that you have for the participants at this conference?
00:43:11 I think Arthur Lockjack University at this event has shown 20 years of leadership in leadership excellence.
00:43:19 So they had some of the most distinguished leaders the last 20 years.
00:43:24 And what I'm doing, I'm changing a new epoch into this.
00:43:28 Right.
00:43:29 So I'm working with 23 percent of the Fortune 500 companies.
00:43:34 And one of the things that you see today that leadership is an evolving discipline.
00:43:38 And the practices that you are using for the last five years are not working anymore.
00:43:44 Because there's too much, too many changes and disruptions from all sides.
00:43:49 If that's regulatory changes, if that's technology changes, if that's global supply chain changes, if that's just the basic changes on your cost of employment.
00:44:00 So I think the leadership excellence that has been shown here for the last couple of years is actually what is the most important.
00:44:08 So I'm excited to come and I'm excited to come for five reasons.
00:44:13 The first reason is this is for executives who need to lead their organization in time of disruption where it's constantly changing.
00:44:24 It's also a conference for rising leaders that have the potential and need to learn the skills to lead organizations in the future.
00:44:35 It's also for consultants that need to understand the new practices that are available for them to help to capitalize on their clients and support clients around them.
00:44:47 It's also for students and for individuals who are entrepreneurs and game changers who see a new vision for Trinidad or new solutions.
00:44:57 And they want to learn on how they can lead and organize something in a small scale without being a big one.
00:45:04 And at the last one, it's actually for the pretenders who use a lot of hard words, but who have no idea what it is.
00:45:12 So they should join as well to learn what leadership is, what the new principles are and so on.
00:45:18 So I'm excited to come there. Anybody who wants to use more than five minutes time with me besides the conference needs to bring the cigar.
00:45:28 As long as the cigar lasts, I will talk to them.
00:45:31 Yeah, I suspect Mr. Brown, he's going to be bringing the cigars.
00:45:35 Mr. Brown, good morning and thank you very much for joining us.
00:45:38 Good morning, my mother. Sorry for the delay.
00:45:41 No problem. No problem. I know how it is sometimes, Mr. Brown. Mr. Brown, what should we know about the conference?
00:45:48 Well, apart from the fact that we bring in some high levels of speakers who in a sense meant to introduce us to the concept of disruption and discontinuity and the changes that are taking place around us.
00:46:00 We have some very good speakers. Professor Luke Williams, who is head of innovation at Stern Business School in New York University.
00:46:11 And of course, you've met Professor Von Scheele, who has been with us before and his ideas around the fourth industrial revolution.
00:46:19 But the concept, the how we put on this particular program is and we've focused on the theme of leadership over the last two years.
00:46:29 Last year, we talked about conscious leadership and the need for to recognize the changes.
00:46:34 And that's precisely because Trinidad and Tobago finds itself at a difficult moment in time, both from an economic point of view, as well as from the kind of changes that are taking place around us.
00:46:44 So the conference theme has been deliberately chosen as have been the speakers, because effectively what they're dealing with is change and how we adjust to change and how we approach the rest of the world.
00:46:58 And quite frankly, that's one of the specific issues that faces Trinidad and Tobago.
00:47:02 This time, we're a small country, but that doesn't mean to say that we can't find a platform or mechanism in which to address the broader principles in a way that work for us.
00:47:14 And that's the purpose of the theme. And that's one of the reasons why we've selected people like Enrique and as well as Professor Williams and Matt Dunsmore,
00:47:21 because they talk about the issues of complacency and continuity, the kind of things that allow us to stay in the same place.
00:47:29 And as you know, Trinidad has been trying to break out of, to find a model to talk to move away from the issue of hydrocarbon independence and natural gas for obvious reasons.
00:47:41 Natural gas production has been declining. And we have to talk about what are the other alternatives.
00:47:48 Now, that requires leadership. It requires visioning. It requires us to approach the international situation from a completely different point of view.
00:47:55 Yes. So the purpose of this session, as Enrique has been pointing out, is to talk about change.
00:48:01 Right. Yeah. And, Professor, let's speak a little bit about that, because you do speak here about the aim of the conference is to strengthen the region's capacity in the area of leadership and innovation.
00:48:15 Professor, if we can just get in a little more as to what you would want to tell participants, what are some of the components,
00:48:25 what are some of the main issues that you think that would be a part of your presentation?
00:48:35 So, in the core essence, the principles that we've been applying the last 30 years in leadership and strategy have been changing quite radically.
00:48:47 And they're changing because the environment, the pressure on the same principles have evolved so fast. Right.
00:48:54 So at the core of it, part of it is the discussion on what is the future of leadership and what is the future of work?
00:49:01 Because people are the centerpiece of change, because people have the ability to adapt to change.
00:49:08 So part of the discussion is saying, what are the new leadership skills that leaders need to enable people to apply technology and to adapt to everything that is around it?
00:49:20 Right. So at the core, even though it's very much a people discussion, because people have the ability to adapt, people communicate with each other,
00:49:29 people sell to each other and people are motivating each other. So leadership is at the core how you interact with people and how you can lead the fold that you are responsible for
00:49:43 and protect them and adapt them to what is changing outside towards them. And that's actually the ability that you have. Right.
00:49:51 And I think Trinidad is uniquely set up in this because you are you have been taking the charge on leadership excellence for many years.
00:50:01 And that means that you are hungry for new things and you have the ability to change.
00:50:07 So you have the ability to adapt it in your own way as long as you see what is coming and know how to adapt to it in your own way.
00:50:16 And I've been doing this all over around the world. It would be the first time I'm coming to Trinidad and to elaborate on the theme that I'm working with,
00:50:27 with most of the Fortune 500 companies, but I'm never really disclosing it because it's normally something they wanted for themselves.
00:50:36 But I think it's the time that leaders anywhere you are that you're able to adapt to it.
00:50:42 Yes. Mr. Brown, you know, when businesses, of course, when programs such as these come up, events such as these come up,
00:50:55 the participants always look at the bottom line and the benefits to the organization.
00:51:03 Let's speak a little bit about that. By people participating in this program,
00:51:08 they benefit to their organization and what they can learn from it.
00:51:14 Well, if I could just jump in on that one, I think the key thing that we have to recognize and understand is that change comes upon us.
00:51:24 Our response is really what matters. And the critical part of that is that within an organization, guess what?
00:51:33 For the organization to move, who has the resources, where are the resources going to be, who is going to deploy the resources?
00:51:40 And the key part of that, of course, is management and the critical issues where that is concerned.
00:51:45 And that's one of the key factors and the point that Enrique has been making is that decisions are made through people.
00:51:52 People implement decision. People implement policies. And that requires communication. That requires a shared vision.
00:52:00 That requires an understanding of what are the changes going to do and the changes that you need to make in your organizations.
00:52:07 What do you need to innovate? People are accustomed to doing the same thing. That's how organizations operate.
00:52:14 They operate on the basis of continuity. They operate on the basis of a platform of a set of procedures
00:52:20 which are geared towards carrying them in the same direction.
00:52:23 But there are times when the external environment requires a completely different response.
00:52:29 So, for example, I mean, and this is where we are with regard to Trinidad and Tobago.
00:52:34 And I don't really want to get into anything too controversial, but let's just consider, let's just consider that we are,
00:52:41 production of natural gas has been declining since 2014. That's 10 years. We have 10 years of decline.
00:52:48 And what we've been trying to do, well, not trying to drill, we're not trying to explore,
00:52:52 and at least the efforts to do that haven't carried us very far.
00:52:55 And we know that we have a foreign exchange shortage. We know we have these changes and so on.
00:52:59 But government can't create it. Government can't make foreign exchange. They can put policies in positions.
00:53:05 Business leaders have to make decisions about different ways in which to move.
00:53:10 Now, those are reality, that's reality. At the end of the day, a successful economy is generated by business leaders.
00:53:19 So that's what we're talking about here. At the end of the day, the conception, the approach,
00:53:25 the issue of innovation and changing and moving in a different direction,
00:53:29 is about getting people to move and to behave differently, to think differently.
00:53:35 We've talked about Vision 2020. We've talked about Vision 2030. We have these visions.
00:53:40 The reality is that you have to make a decision today on the basis of the changes that are taking place,
00:53:46 and who is going to make those decisions. Those decisions have to be made at the top.
00:53:51 That's how you move organizations forward.
00:53:53 And that's one of the reasons why it's called a Leadership and Innovation Conference.
00:53:57 That's where we're going. And the idea is that change must start where it's taking place all around us.
00:54:04 But to understand and to pull the levers of power within a corporation,
00:54:08 you need business leaders to make those type of decisions.
00:54:11 So that's what you're talking about, the bottom line. That's exactly what this conference is about.
00:54:15 How do we address the bottom line? How do we keep businesses functional?
00:54:19 How do we allow them to adapt to the changes? And how do we carry them in a different direction?
00:54:24 How do we carry the economy forward? That requires thought. And it also requires action.
00:54:32 If you don't have a vision, you know what they say, the people perish.
00:54:36 So the reality is you've got to get business leaders thinking along those lines.
00:54:43 And that's the purpose of these type of conferences. This is what we're doing.
00:54:46 It has a specific orientation where that is concerned.
00:54:50 Yes. And Professor, it's a matter of survival, right? Business survival.
00:54:54 And I'm sure that it has to also take into consideration AI now.
00:55:04 Yes, that's right. So many leaders, they face the challenge to see where they want to automate
00:55:10 and what will be the future skills that they need within their own resources, right?
00:55:15 That's one of the things that I will elaborate on as well, right?
00:55:18 But I just want to make the point, if you want to invest into the future, you actually invest in people.
00:55:25 If you want to have the Trinidad business community, if they come together at one table,
00:55:31 they have a common understanding on what is there. They can learn from each other.
00:55:35 They can learn new principles so they can learn, unlearn, and then they can move jointly forward together.
00:55:42 The challenge is often they are unable to lift the table alone.
00:55:47 They need partners around them to lift the table because the table is just too heavy.
00:55:53 So leadership actually depends on each other.
00:55:56 So I hope at the conference to see the leadership community, right?
00:56:01 So they can inspire each other, right?
00:56:05 So I'm actually, it's my first time there, so I look forward to meet everybody.
00:56:13 Yes.
00:56:14 This is the first time Professor Von Schiele has been here personally.
00:56:17 But Professor Schiele has worked with us before, I might add.
00:56:20 He's been a visiting professor for a year and he was our star speaker in 2021.
00:56:26 When we are coming out of COVID and we had a completely online conference,
00:56:33 and Professor Von Schiele led the conference in that regard.
00:56:36 And he worked with us for a year, he did several different workshops with several different students as well as players in the system.
00:56:43 So this is an opportunity once again.
00:56:45 And remember, we've been talking about digitalization and digitization for quite some time.
00:56:50 Yes.
00:56:51 The answer is, has it made a difference?
00:56:53 Well, this is one of Professor Von Schiele's specialties.
00:56:57 And this is his area of competence, and which he has led.
00:57:00 I mean, he has literally defined and labeled the changes that were taking place.
00:57:05 So we're bringing people who understand what is required to be done and the changes that are required to make.
00:57:13 Yes.
00:57:14 For us now, learn and listen.
00:57:15 Yeah.
00:57:16 Mr. Brown, give us, how do participants register for the conference?
00:57:22 Well, I mean, you can call us, but we also have an online registry system which works at our website.
00:57:29 So you can come into DLIC 2024, and that gives you all the information and the contact numbers in terms of getting in touch with us.
00:57:36 So that's the best way to get it done.
00:57:39 Yeah.
00:57:40 When is the conference being held?
00:57:42 The conference is going to be held next week, Wednesday.
00:57:45 Professor Von Schiele will be coming on Monday, so he'll be available, and we're trying to arrange one or two sessions with interested parties.
00:57:53 But we are on all day at the Hyatt on Wednesday next week, Wednesday the 24th, from 9 until 4 in the afternoon.
00:58:03 Yeah.
00:58:04 Professor, anything else you'd like to add before you leave us this morning?
00:58:11 No, I'm looking forward to meet people, right?
00:58:13 At the core, it's all about people and investing in people and focusing on people, right?
00:58:18 We are the ones that are able to adapt.
00:58:21 We are the ones that are able to make a difference, right?
00:58:24 It's the same thing for Trinidad, right?
00:58:26 It's the people that will make the difference in the future, and that ignites in the leadership.
00:58:32 Yeah.
00:58:33 Mr. Brown, your final comments?
00:58:36 Well, looking forward to seeing you there tomorrow, and looking forward to Trinidad and Tobago,
00:58:41 because there are challenges in front of us, and the thinking that got us to this position,
00:58:46 and we can't use it to carry us out, just to paraphrase Einstein.
00:58:50 So complacency and continuity are great if the business model is working.
00:58:55 If the business model needs to change, it's not going to help us.
00:58:58 We need to move, and we need to innovate.
00:59:00 Yeah. Gentlemen, it was a pleasure speaking with you all.
00:59:02 Thank you very much for the information that you have given us this morning, and we wish you all the best for your conference.
00:59:08 Bye for now.
00:59:10 Thank you.
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01:03:45 Alright, so welcome back everyone.
01:03:47 So Angostura is celebrating its 200 year anniversary and as part of the year of activities,
01:03:52 the company is hosting its biennial international distributors forum in Trinidad and Tobago
01:03:57 for the first time at the Hyatt Regency.
01:04:00 So joining us on set to tell us more about the event is Leisha Alexander,
01:04:04 Angostura's commercial manager, international sales, and Justin Casey,
01:04:08 managing director of Proximo.
01:04:11 Thank you very much for coming this morning.
01:04:13 Thank you for having us, Marlon.
01:04:15 We have a lot to celebrate this year.
01:04:17 200 years, you know.
01:04:18 200 years, it's not an easy feat.
01:04:22 Part of our success has really been partnering with our distributors around the world,
01:04:27 and that's exactly what this conference is all about.
01:04:30 We are distributed in over 170 countries, and this week we will be hosting 70 of those distributors
01:04:38 from 37 markets around the world, and I have one with me right now, Justin, from Australia.
01:04:45 So we're very excited.
01:04:46 This conference is very important to us.
01:04:48 It's setting up for the success for the next 200 years, as you can imagine.
01:04:52 Of course.
01:04:53 And, Justin, let's speak a little bit about your work as a distributor for Angostura.
01:05:00 Absolutely.
01:05:01 What markets are you responsible for?
01:05:03 So I look after Australia, and Australia is actually the second largest market for Angostura bidders.
01:05:08 So it's a really revered brand in Australia and very well known.
01:05:12 So it's a very important partnership, and it's really brilliant to be here, actually.
01:05:17 So it's my first time.
01:05:19 It's our first time from the Australian business, and it's just sensational.
01:05:23 Yeah.
01:05:24 Let's get deeper into the forum.
01:05:28 What are you trying to achieve by the forum?
01:05:31 Well, you know, our goal is obviously we want to celebrate.
01:05:34 Of course.
01:05:35 Celebrating is important.
01:05:36 We didn't get here by chance.
01:05:38 It takes tremendous work to reach such a milestone.
01:05:43 So we need to set the organization up and the business up, the brand up for the next 200 years,
01:05:48 and part of that is engaging with our partners.
01:05:50 Like Justin from Australia, we have partners from the United States, throughout the Caribbean, Europe, Asia, et cetera.
01:05:58 So we need to get our partners on board on this journey with us to take us into the next century.
01:06:06 Yeah.
01:06:07 Of course.
01:06:08 And we're speaking about 70 international distributors representing 37 markets from around the world for this forum.
01:06:15 And, you know, as I read the information here, I'm a bit surprised about the reach of Angostura via these distributors.
01:06:25 This is a wide, a very wide network.
01:06:28 Absolutely.
01:06:29 I mean, I am a commercial manager, so we are always managing contracts.
01:06:33 Yes.
01:06:34 And we have approximately at any given year over 100 contracts and 100 commercial relationships.
01:06:39 And these contracts allow us to reach consumers in over 170 countries, of course.
01:06:45 So, no, we have work to do, tremendous amount of work to do to continue to set this business and the brand up for success.
01:06:54 And a key part of that is really innovation, Marlon.
01:06:57 You know, we have to keep innovating, not just from a product perspective.
01:07:00 I mean, you see here in Trinidad all the products we've launched, I mean, from orange bitters to cocoa bitters to white oak flavors.
01:07:08 But there's also process innovation, you know, our savoir faire, for want of a better word, you know, how we embrace technology,
01:07:15 how we look at improving our relationship with the environment.
01:07:19 So, all of this is important to us, and these are some ideas that we want to share with our distributors so that we can collaborate on taking this business into the next century.
01:07:29 Yeah.
01:07:30 Justin, let's speak a little bit about some of the Angostura products that you distribute.
01:07:35 Yeah. So, we distribute primarily the Angostura rums.
01:07:38 There's a great premium rum range, the Amaro and the Angostura bitters.
01:07:43 And the bitters is primarily our biggest part, and Australians absolutely love – like, there's a drink in Australia, lemon lime bitters, and it's hugely popular.
01:07:52 We actually serve around 100 million lemon lime bitters over the bar every year.
01:07:58 So, it's really, really popular.
01:07:59 It's the go-to brand for bartenders and consumers, and particularly through COVID, they've got even more familiar with it from making cocktails and having their favorite serves.
01:08:10 So, it's really important from our perspective to have the Angostura products.
01:08:14 The other thing as well is it's highly complementary to our business.
01:08:17 We own most of our brands.
01:08:18 So, when we look for brands that are going to be complementary to our business, they've got to serve a real purpose and stand up against the other things that we have.
01:08:27 And Angostura is clearly – it's actually the only brand we have outside of our portfolio because of the strength of the brand, the credibility, and the quality of it.
01:08:36 And we're really proud to distribute the brand in Australia on behalf of Angostura for that reason.
01:08:40 Yeah. How often is the conference held?
01:08:43 Every two years.
01:08:44 Currently, every two years.
01:08:47 So, this would be our – I believe our third or second time here in Trinidad hosting.
01:08:53 And we're very interested in other markets, and we choose markets very strategically, of course, to sort of honor successes in certain markets, also to bring awareness to cocktail culture and our products.
01:09:08 And it's fitting that we are here in Trinidad to celebrate 200 years.
01:09:12 I think a lot of our distributors – I mean, Justin was sharing with me before we came on set that this is his first time to Trinidad.
01:09:18 And for a lot of our partners, it is their first time.
01:09:21 And it's very important that they get to see the brand home and not just read about it in a sell sheet or see it in a presentation or see it when we show up in markets.
01:09:30 It's very important that they can come and see where that liquid is made, that liquid gold.
01:09:35 Yeah. Yeah, you took the words out of my mouth.
01:09:39 So, I'm looking at some of the markets which you all are represented – Baltics and Poland, France, Australia, Chile, Belgium, South Africa, Switzerland, New Zealand, Norway, Antigua, Barbados, and Grenada.
01:09:52 And what you are also trying to do via this forum is to expand to new markets, right?
01:09:57 Absolutely. I mean, the world is changing as well.
01:10:00 Consumers are changing.
01:10:02 And we want to learn from our distributors.
01:10:04 We want to understand what their particular challenges are and where we can help them unlock those opportunities where they exist.
01:10:11 So, it's a great collaboration opportunity for us.
01:10:14 Great to chat, understand what's happening in Australia.
01:10:17 I mean, I personally oversee the United States, the UK, and Latin America.
01:10:23 So, we see synergies already, just us sitting in the waiting room here chatting very briefly.
01:10:29 So, there's a lot to learn and there's a lot to see.
01:10:32 Yeah. Justin, when did you become a distributor of Angostura?
01:10:36 15 years ago, the company did.
01:10:38 I've been with Proximo for seven years, so longer than I.
01:10:41 So, it's been quite a long-standing relationship.
01:10:44 As I said, it's such an important relationship for our business, being the only partner.
01:10:50 And as you said, Alicia, being able to come together and also talk about the thinking and taking the brand broader.
01:10:57 So, that's also a wonderful aspect of the company.
01:11:00 And the realisation, Marlon, of actually this is a global brand, this is a global business.
01:11:05 And I think that's something I know the people from Angostura are very proud of.
01:11:09 And it really sits really well from our perspective as well.
01:11:13 Yeah. And let's speak a little bit about some of the strategies employed in promoting Angostura products in your market.
01:11:21 Yeah. So, there's probably a couple of examples.
01:11:23 And one, we rely on the AGCC, so the Angostura Global Cocktail Competition.
01:11:28 That's a really good way for us to bring sort of bartenders in and drive advocacy.
01:11:33 Like bartenders, it's the go-to ingredient or one of the go-to ingredients for bartenders in Australia.
01:11:38 Like it's 87% share in the on-premise, which is incredible.
01:11:42 So, we bring bartenders in, we conduct the AGCC, and then it escalates up to a global competition and whatnot.
01:11:49 So, it's a really good forum for us to continue to have relevance and sort of play into that on-premise network.
01:11:56 The other thing we're seeing as well is there's a real trend, and I think it's kind of a global trend happening at different speeds, but the low and no alc.
01:12:05 So, it's playing out with our Gen Zs in a big way.
01:12:08 So, we're doing things like where we bring no low alc into a forum where it's like maybe sober curious, like dating.
01:12:15 And what it does is it allows adults who are interested in that to actually still have an adult experience through great Angostura drinks,
01:12:23 as opposed to just a soft drink or something a bit more mundane.
01:12:27 Yeah.
01:12:28 Nisha, I want you to take us through how this forum is going to be conducted.
01:12:35 Take us through the day of this forum.
01:12:39 Well, it starts today, as you mentioned earlier.
01:12:42 We're going to be spending two days in really deep business conversations, strategic conversations around the brand, what's working, what's not.
01:12:52 Where do we need to maintain relevance, as Justin alluded to.
01:12:56 So, we're going to be spending two days of strong just work.
01:13:00 Yeah.
01:13:01 And then we will be sharing with the attendees a little bit of Trinidad and Tobago culture.
01:13:07 That's important.
01:13:08 That is definitely going to seed everything that we would have shared over the first two days, pardon me.
01:13:17 So, yeah, we're going to be taking them to Tobago.
01:13:20 We're going to be sharing a little bit of that.
01:13:22 They're going to get some street food.
01:13:24 They're going to really get a full induction.
01:13:26 You're going to get some drinks.
01:13:27 Yes.
01:13:28 Yes.
01:13:29 It's a tough job, Marlon.
01:13:30 Some Queen's Box whistles.
01:13:32 Absolutely.
01:13:33 So, definitely.
01:13:34 It's a full, full opportunity for them to see Trinidad, not just the products we make, but a little bit of our culture.
01:13:41 Yeah.
01:13:42 And Nisha spoke earlier about Liquid Gold, right?
01:13:45 What is the feedback, Justin, from the relevant markets on the specific brands?
01:13:50 Well, as I said before, it is the go-to.
01:13:52 It's so synonymous, like the lemon-lime bitters.
01:13:55 I can't start to begin to tell you how ingrained that is into Australian culture.
01:14:00 As I said, 100 million sold per year.
01:14:02 So, Angostura is revered absolutely in our market, and that's across rums and amaros and in particular bitters.
01:14:11 I'd like to add to that as well.
01:14:13 You don't win over 300 awards just like that.
01:14:17 I mean, our rums do win awards both for its liquid and taste throughout the world.
01:14:24 So, we're very proud of that, and we want to continue that trajectory for sure.
01:14:29 Yeah.
01:14:30 Nisha is boasting this morning, right?
01:14:32 But let's speak about that because that is no easy feat.
01:14:36 No, it is not.
01:14:37 And there are a number of spirits out there.
01:14:41 What differentiates the Angostura spirits from the others?
01:14:46 Well, I always like to say, having tasted a few, and I don't have a drinking problem, having tasted a few of the rums,
01:14:54 they're great and fabulous liquids out there.
01:14:57 No doubt about it.
01:14:59 But what makes Angostura unique is we have an elegant style of rum.
01:15:03 And I'll share with you a quick story.
01:15:05 Every time I go to the markets abroad, people will pass the Angostura booth, "We'll come back to you. We'll come back to you."
01:15:13 And after they've had all the spirits they can enjoy, they always end up at our booth.
01:15:19 Because we're just a pleasant liquid.
01:15:22 I like to borrow something.
01:15:24 Mawa Masa Distiller always says, "It's like a good guest. We know when to leave."
01:15:29 So you enjoy us. We show up. You have fun. But there's no lingering effect.
01:15:35 Yeah. I want to speak a little bit about these markets again, because you are in 37 markets.
01:15:44 We're distributed in over 170 markets, but we're hosting 37 countries here in Trinidad.
01:15:51 Right. So what is the wider picture?
01:15:57 Is it for Angostura, just as you have other brands?
01:16:03 I'm not going to call the other brands, but I'm just saying, is the aim of Angostura to become a worldwide brand that in almost every corner of the world, you can see an Angostura product?
01:16:18 Is that the aim?
01:16:19 Absolutely.
01:16:20 I mean, I think every Trinidadian can attest to walking into a bar, whether you're in Dubai, whether you're in Australia, whether you're in New York City and seeing a bottle of bitters and feeling proud about that.
01:16:34 And I think we've been successful in doing that. And success requires us to keep working at it.
01:16:39 And we want to bring the same level of pride when it comes to rum.
01:16:44 We want everybody to walk any corner of the world and be able to see a bottle of our rum and our other products as well.
01:16:53 So definitely the goal is to be a household name.
01:16:58 And Justin, you spoke about the popularity of Angostura products in Australia.
01:17:06 But what is the next step for you and your company as it relates to the Angostura product?
01:17:15 Yeah, so there's clearly a continuation of Angostura bitters. You have 87 percent share, but there's still a lot more we can do.
01:17:22 But people have learned to make cocktails. So there's even more at home occasions that we can go after, sort of bringing Angostura bitters into that, but also premium rum.
01:17:31 So I really share Alicia's sentiment on bringing premium rum to the fore.
01:17:36 And we spoke earlier around different categories start to go at different times.
01:17:41 And rum's a really critical category that I think many suppliers and manufacturers have identified as being, you know, one of the next big things to come up.
01:17:50 So that's clearly a space we'll be looking to go after into the future.
01:17:53 Yeah, but Alicia, is it a work in progress? Is it that Angostura is constantly thinking about producing more and more products and having these products expand into other markets?
01:18:11 Is that the thrust always of Angostura to do that?
01:18:16 Well, I would say the magician cannot reveal all its tricks, Marlon. But I can share that innovation is definitely part of that.
01:18:25 We have a product and a process that we are very, very proud of.
01:18:30 And as Justin spoke about, premiumization is definitely a lever that we want to tap into.
01:18:37 So yes, I mean, this 200 years celebration, more will be revealed in time. And you will start to see a lot of these things come to the fore.
01:18:48 Yeah. And on that point, you all are celebrating 200 years. What does the next 200 years look like for Angostura, you think?
01:18:58 I'll have to wait to see, Marlon.
01:19:00 200 years, I don't know if we'll be there, right?
01:19:03 Maybe not.
01:19:05 No, but definitely, I mean, there are plans. There are plans to celebrate and prepare the organization, prepare the business, prepare the brand for the next 200 years.
01:19:16 And again, the conference is part of that. You know, how do we get our partners on board? What can we learn from them, etc.?
01:19:24 Absolutely. Yeah. But hasn't the thrust been by Angostura also to, because we look at the ads and so on, and it seems as if Angostura is always trying to promote Trinidad and Tobago and our culture.
01:19:45 Absolutely. I mean, provenance is very key to us. It's one of our unique propositions. No one can take that from us, to be Trinidadian, to be made here for close to 200 years.
01:19:59 So yes, I mean, we are always innovating. I mentioned that earlier. That is a very key tenet of our strategy internationally. We have to.
01:20:10 It's either you're growing or you're not, right? So we will continue doing that. We will continue remaining relevant, looking at trends, looking at drinks culture around the world and adapt.
01:20:25 We have to. You know, we've made agility part of our competitive advantage. And you've seen that if you look at our history during COVID, for example, you know, you saw us sort of lean into hand sanitizers, lean into trends like Justin shared with LLB.
01:20:43 You know, this is something that started in Australia. So we will continue to adapt. We will continue to learn and we'll continue to share and collaborate with our partners.
01:20:55 Yeah. Justin, anything else you'd like to tell us before you leave us this morning?
01:20:58 No, but I think it resonates from Trinidad, Tobago, taking that to the world and the cultural aspect is a beautiful aspect of the brand.
01:21:06 It's really great to be here. It's really great to be amongst the Angosturian people and also the people in Trinidad. So thank you for having me as well.
01:21:13 Yeah. Justin just described us as Angosturian people. Justin, that's your word. I've never heard it before.
01:21:19 Great. It was created here. Justin just made up a word there. Alicia, anything else you'd like to share with us?
01:21:26 No, I mean, please celebrate with us. We have an important milestone to celebrate right now being 200 years. And we want to bring the people of Trinidad and Tobago as well in to be part of the celebration. It was something to be proud of.
01:21:41 Yeah.
01:21:42 For sure.
01:21:43 Thank you very much for coming this morning. Thank you very much for all of the information.
01:21:46 Thank you.
01:21:47 All right. So we are going to a very short break, everybody. We're coming back.
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01:26:26 Alright, so in the next few seconds, we are going to be speaking to Sergeant Ansel Ford of the TTPS, media ambassador.
01:26:37 Mr. Ford is there. Mr. Ford, good morning.
01:26:40 Hi, pleasant morning, Mark.
01:26:42 Yeah, Mr. Ford, always good to see you. It's always good to see you here.
01:26:46 But it's good to see you there this morning.
01:26:48 Yeah.
01:26:50 Better under the weather.
01:26:52 Yeah. What you're going to share with us this morning, sir?
01:26:55 We're dealing with the risk and safety regarding young children.
01:26:59 And in particular, we want to speak to the cyber world and the dangers as well as, you know, there are opportunities.
01:27:06 But I think we more need to focus on the risk involved and speak to our young children, inclusive of our parents.
01:27:14 All right. In terms of how they should approach or try to manage the use of social media.
01:27:21 All right. So this is a very topical center. Yeah.
01:27:26 Yeah. Yeah. Mr. Ford. Yeah. We're hearing you. You go ahead, sir.
01:27:31 Well, thank you. Yes, Marlon. Marlon, so firstly, we identify that safety of your young one is paramount.
01:27:40 Right now, the use of social media is probably second need here as a part of our daily lives.
01:27:48 The risk involved is one that you cannot measure because of the, let us say, the many platforms and the way in which communication is made.
01:28:01 And it is instantaneous. It is viral. And once you put something out there, you cannot delete it.
01:28:08 You cannot pull it back. It's gone forever. It's gone.
01:28:13 Right. So an understanding that we have a responsibility. And when I say we, I am speaking to all of us.
01:28:23 I'm speaking to parents. I'm speaking to persons who are members of the community, members of the family, the police.
01:28:31 Right. So we take it from a broad perspective of all of us being part of a community.
01:28:37 And we share responsibility in relation to protecting our young people. And it starts with understanding social media and the risk associated with it.
01:28:48 So we have to educate our children. We have to educate them in terms of practicing safety, in terms of what to do, what not to do on social media.
01:28:58 It involves the sharing of certain information, be that that of yourself, photos.
01:29:05 Right. We are speaking about what you content you as a child would expose yourself to.
01:29:12 And here's where, you know, the direct parent or guardian has that first port of control, trying to ensure that the child understands that.
01:29:21 Now, if it is that we don't, we are exposing the child, whereas the child may be exposing him or herself to the risk and the consequences associated with social media.
01:29:36 And if it is not managed or used properly. Right.
01:29:40 But Sergeant, do you feel do you feel or have the police service recorded an increase in such instances?
01:29:49 Marlon, I would say yes, it is. It is prevalent. And every child that you look at, they are in their smart devices, whether it be that they are playing a game, whether it be they are reading some document.
01:30:05 In most cases, they tend to use it for recreation. Right. You would see the young adults using it in terms of educational activity.
01:30:15 They are online in school and other things like that. But there's a lot of time in between that oftentimes is unsupervised.
01:30:22 And this is where the child seizes the opportunity to teach. I want to have some fun to relax a bit on knowing the them of the danger and how they can use it inappropriately.
01:30:36 And how it affects them. Right. And speaking about them in terms of the injury that they could experience.
01:30:44 And just to identify, we're talking about their name, their image, character, how negative things affect their self-esteem, their educational achievement.
01:30:56 Because depending on what they shared about you or what you share about yourself, trusting someone that they will keep it confidential.
01:31:05 And then they in turn leak that or they publish it because you all no longer have a good relationship, friendship or otherwise.
01:31:15 So it could affect how you feel going to school because all of your friends now might be mocking you, laughing, showing others the content about yourself.
01:31:27 But I know that you have made that you have made a great point there by you saying that when you publish something on social media or broadcast it on social media, that it never goes away.
01:31:38 So 10 years later, it can come back to haunt you. And that is the point I was going to get to in terms of even as you grow now into an adult.
01:31:50 Right. And you're looking at opportunities, employment or otherwise. Right.
01:31:55 And things that you would have published years ago or someone publish about you, it comes back to haunt you and affects your opportunity, even in terms of employment.
01:32:05 Right. So it is very important that we speak to the young people.
01:32:12 Right. And everybody has a part to play. Right.
01:32:17 The school environment, the education, they were part of the place, the teachers, whatever, responsibility, parents, myself as a police officer.
01:32:26 Right. So to educate children about the different platforms, be it WhatsApp, TikTok, Instagram, Snapchat, Twitter, you name it. Right.
01:32:35 Whatever platform that you choose to use, you have to be mindful that there are inherent risks involved.
01:32:44 Right. Now, the challenge we have, Marlon, is that this platform or these platforms, they are readily accessible at almost any point on almost any smart device.
01:32:58 Right. So this space facilitates fun, recreation to meet people, build relationships.
01:33:08 Right. Within that, you might also build trust. Right. But you may become so comfortable now with that person or group that personal stuff is now being discussed, is now being shared.
01:33:24 Be that you're sharing photographs of yourself. Right. In good times, in bad times, depending on the relationship, you may decide to share pictures of yourself, be it partially nude or nude photos.
01:33:40 You may have photos of other persons and you may share that. Now, we have offenses within all of that, particularly when we're dealing with children.
01:33:50 Yes. Right. So why is this? I'm just speaking generally, Marlon. What this space allows for is for sharing of all types of material, be it photographs, audio, video, visual, you name it.
01:34:06 Sergeant, just hold your thoughts for a little while. Sergeant, just hold your thoughts for a little while. We have to go to a very short break. We'll be right back.
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01:35:33 All right. Sergeant Ansel Ford is still with us. Sergeant, thank you for staying with us. Is Sergeant there? All right. Sergeant, you hearing me? Yeah?
01:35:50 All right. He's not hearing us, so we are going to be working on that. So Sergeant Ansel Ford, who has been telling us about the risks of children being on social media, what they should be looking out for, and some of the influences on social media. All right. Do we have the sergeant?
01:36:12 Yes.
01:36:14 Sergeant, yes, we do have you again. Continue, Sergeant. You go ahead.
01:36:18 Yes, Madam. So speaking of the platform and what it allows, the issue of cyberbullying. Now, cyberbullying is something that is very prevalent, right?
01:36:30 And oftentimes, within the domain or the circle of young people, even within school chats and other activities such as gaming, I won't say YouTubing so much, but you have remote gaming, where it is they play with one another at different locations.
01:36:51 But in any event, it allows for connectivity. So we do know what is cyberbullying, and we are looking at character assassination, threats to, in fact, hurt your character by way of rumors or publishing, posting hurtful content, threatening violence, harassing someone, someone who probably you once had a relationship with or you want to have a relationship with,
01:37:19 and you're not getting the response. And then it turns out to be a sort of harassment, stalking the person, things that make the person uncomfortable. Right. Now, we're even looking at the issue of pressure.
01:37:32 So you have the pressure and peer pressure in taking place. Right. All of these things take place on the platforms. And it amongst the bullying of some type or the other, which Marlon, is an offense. Right. And one can find themselves being fined or even in prison.
01:37:52 Right. Now, there are several opportunities because of the platforms, the way in which you can share information instantaneous. Right. But then you have the risk. And the risk is that because you don't know who is on the other end, depending on the platform that you are on, really.
01:38:17 A picture of someone doesn't say much. As in still a still picture. Right. Anybody can put up a still picture. Be it someone who wants to be a child, wants to be a teenager, wants to be a female. Right. Can post an image that is totally untrue to who they really are.
01:38:39 So you have fake profiles being built. Right. You have persons who are befriending you. All right. For their own benefit. Right. And the young person may not be so vigilant, may not be so aware of what is taking place. Right.
01:38:59 So the risk, it is serious. And understanding that, here, I can be anybody that I want to be in this virtual world. Right. Anybody. Right. So if it is I want to penetrate a circle with young children, I'm a pedophile.
01:39:19 Right. For instance, I can pretend to be a boy, pretend to be a girl, an adolescent teenager, a young adult, speak the language that you want to speak, play the games that you want to play. Right. All designed towards building that sort of trust and that relationship with the young person.
01:39:41 Right. And I'm speaking to your young child. Right. And your understanding and your involvement in the way in which you speak to your children about the risk and the reality of this virtual world is so critical as we seek to protect our young children.
01:40:02 Sergeant, I just want to ask, what can the police do? Because we do have situations in Trinidad and Tobago and there's a perception in Trinidad and Tobago that a person can say and do what they want on social media.
01:40:18 They can publish, they can broadcast video of you in a compromising position, in a nude, you being nude. And there is this feeling that, as I said, people feel that they can do what they want and they can do to you whatever they want on social media.
01:40:39 How can the police assist in these scenarios? OK, no matter, taking it from the angle of educating members of the public.
01:40:51 Right. Now, under the Computer Misuse Act, offences are created. And if someone misuses a computer and a computer is defined as, I want to say, so many things that the average person doesn't understand.
01:41:12 Right. So computer means, and I'm taking it from the interpretation of the act, means an electronic, optical, electrochemical or a magnetic or other data processing device or a group of such interconnected or related devices performing logical, arithmetic or storage functions and includes any storage facility or communication facility directly related to or operating in conjunction with the device.
01:41:41 Or operating in conjunction with such device or group of such interconnected or related devices. But it does not include a typewriter or typesetter, a portable handheld calculator, a similar device which is non-programmable or which does not contain any data storage facility.
01:42:01 Such other devices, as the minister may by order indicate. Now, understanding that matter, we are speaking about these smart devices, be it a telephone, be it a tablet, be it a computer, right, a desktop, laptop, you name it.
01:42:24 If it is that you use it in a manner that is contrary to what is intended under the act, you are committing offences.
01:42:35 Now, Marlon, additionally, when we speak to the offences against the Persons Act, it is also an offence to, let us say, harass persons or behave in such a way that it makes the other person uncomfortable.
01:42:54 Right? And from a law enforcement perspective, Marlon, we have to one, educate persons as to what are the sanctions of the law.
01:43:07 And I want to say that, Marlon, someone who engages in cyberbullying can expose themselves to a fine of $2,000 or six months imprisonment.
01:43:23 And while it is that somebody may think that, okay, that is somewhat a light penalty, it is not. Because you're talking about six months in jail, depriving you of your liberty, depriving of your family, right?
01:43:39 So, we will engage, Marlon, from the point of educating persons, as I said, speaking to them about what the law says, what are the consequences.
01:43:50 We will speak to our parents, our guardians, our teachers, right, persons in our community, to listen.
01:43:57 Let us law it for our children, all right? And let us be guardians, let us be their protectors.
01:44:05 If we have to step in, we will step in and enforce the law. Be that we will arrest, we will charge, right, and place it before the court.
01:44:15 And, Sergeant, this also applies to persons in Trinidad and Tobago who have pornographic sites.
01:44:25 And in some cases, what they have done is that they would scour social media.
01:44:34 And you may have a daughter, she may put up a picture on social media, and all of a sudden, her picture now is on the pornographic site.
01:44:44 Yeah? So, there are repercussions for people with such sites.
01:44:50 Marlon, yes, there is. Now, adults and children are different, right? We need to understand that, the distinction.
01:45:00 Now, if it is an adult accesses a site, all right, it is very much different from a child.
01:45:09 And we understand a child to be someone under the age of 18 years, all right?
01:45:13 And when we speak to the issue of pornography, pornography in itself, and you're speaking about child pornography,
01:45:22 it speaks to the use of photography, film, video, or other visual representation,
01:45:32 whether or not made by electronic, mechanical, artistic, or other methods, that shows for a sexual purpose, a child engaging in explicit sexual activity,
01:45:44 or could not, a child in a sexually explicit pose, parts of a child's body, to understand this part,
01:45:52 pieced into a visual representation of parts of an adult's body, or vice versa, right?
01:46:00 And this is under the Children's Act we're speaking about, right?
01:46:04 Now, it also speaks to parts of a child's body which has been rendered complete by computer-generated images,
01:46:13 or by other methods of visual representation.
01:46:16 So, what you spoke of, Marlon, under the Children's Act, it speaks to it, and it is an offense, right?
01:46:24 Now, barring, Marlon, that someone in the capacity of a teacher and educator uses images of a child,
01:46:37 it may be that of a nude body for educational purposes, right?
01:46:45 Be that you are teaching them about the human body biology, or otherwise, right?
01:46:50 That you are protected under the law, because it is recognized that the intent is for education in that capacity.
01:46:59 Outside of that, and you were to encourage a child, whether to send, or whether you receive,
01:47:06 and you in turn decide to further share, which is deemed to publish, right?
01:47:11 You are committing serious offenses, right?
01:47:15 And I want to identify what Section 41 of the Children's Act says, right?
01:47:23 Now, subject to Section 5, a person who knowingly, A, makes or permits to be made any child pornography or copy thereof,
01:47:33 publishes, distributes, transmits, or shows any child pornography.
01:47:38 Understand that publishes, distributes, transmits, or shows, publishes or causes to be published any advertisement likely to be understood
01:47:49 as conveying that the advertiser distributes or shows child pornography,
01:47:55 obtains access through information and communication technologies to child pornography.
01:48:02 So Marlon, you made an example a short while ago, where it is someone scouring,
01:48:08 and they took your child's picture and they use it for some other reasons other than what it was intended for, right?
01:48:17 It falls within this section of the Children's Act, and it amounts to an offense.
01:48:23 Now, as in his possession of control, any child pornography or purchases, exchanges, or otherwise receives any child pornography,
01:48:33 the penalty, Marlon, on indictment is a fine of $30,000 and to imprisonment for 10 years.
01:48:43 Sergeant, I only have about two minutes again.
01:48:47 Sure. Understanding, Marlon, if it is that you engage in any of these behaviors, this type of conduct,
01:48:56 you are committing an offense as it relates to children.
01:49:01 The Lord did not speak in relation to an adult.
01:49:05 However, if it is that you misuse your computer, and I'm speaking about your phone and these other things,
01:49:14 to transmit or to publish information about someone that would amount to an offense,
01:49:23 you are subject to the sanctions of the law.
01:49:26 And what is required of that person who is affected is to make a report to the police,
01:49:32 provide all of the information that you have to assist us in the investigation.
01:49:38 And once it is that the act or actions of the person amongst an offense, they can be placed before the law.
01:49:48 Well, before the court, sorry.
01:49:50 Now, just before we end, we have to acknowledge that the court in Trinidad and Tobago would have already dealt with a couple of cases
01:50:01 where persons would have gone about to share data about someone that the court would have deemed to be an infringement of that person's right,
01:50:15 that person's privacy, and would have dealt with it according to the law.
01:50:20 So, going forward, Marlon, we want to encourage our adults to speak to young children, young adults, about the ills of social media
01:50:36 and how you must use it wisely.
01:50:40 You must know what to do and what not to do.
01:50:44 And what we don't want you to do is to share material about yourself that ought to be private.
01:50:54 Don't do it.
01:50:56 Do not engage in using technology to cyber bully or anything of that nature.
01:51:04 Let's use it for recreation.
01:51:07 Let's use it for education.
01:51:09 Let us use it wisely.
01:51:11 Marlon, thanks very much.
01:51:13 Of course.
01:51:14 Thank you, sir.
01:51:15 Always good to see you and speak with you.
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