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Inforadio, Vis à vis, Februar 2016
Gibt es eine "Diktatur des Guten"?
"Die Diktatur des Guten" - unter diesem Titel hat die jüdisch-deutsche Schriftstellerin und Publizistin Viola Roggenkamp einen Essay in der Jüdischen Allgemeinen Zeitung veröffentlicht. Darin wirft sie Deutschland Größenfantasien in der Flüchtlingspolitik vor und äußert ihre Befürchtungen angesichts der vielen muslimischen Männer, die ins Land gekommen sind. Ursula Voßhenrich hat mit Viola Roggenkamp über ihre Ansichten gesprochen, für die sie auch viel Kritik einstecken musste.

Ihre Hauptvorwürfe:
- Merkel und ihr Gefolge erliegen Größenfantasien,
- zu wenig Asylberechtigte, zu viel Betrüger,
- im vorauseilendem Gehorsam freiwillig gleichschaltete Medien,
- keine politische Opposition, Parteieneinheitsbrei,
- kritische Stimmen werden ignoriert oder diffamiert,
usw.

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00:28Ms. Roggenkamp, ​​you must
00:29They must have been very annoyed, right?
00:32What drew you to the article in the
00:33Jewish General Newspaper moved?
00:36No trouble,
00:38but justified
00:39Fear. They are coming.
00:41to Germany, yes, at least
00:44Syrian families.
00:46The majority come
00:48Men from Afghanistan,
00:50Iraq, Pakistan,
00:51Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia, Libya.
00:54This is a mass emigration
00:56there and that has
00:57which actually has nothing to do with asylum.
01:00But of course, one must help.
01:02and my fears,
01:04which I have would be
01:05I think it's much lower if you
01:08Girls, women and little boys,
01:10would have flown out the old and sick.
01:12That would work.
01:13And not the welcome that was offered at
01:16can run and swim the longest and fastest
01:18and our industry
01:20supposedly it can be very useful.
01:21Too many are coming and too much
01:23too fast and mostly
01:26strong, healthy men.
01:27These are the ones who are most likely to
01:29be able to fight through.
01:31The largest group that...
01:32It has something Darwinian about it, doesn't it?
01:34Yes.
01:34I thought we had overcome that.
01:36However, the largest group
01:38the arrivals so far still
01:39those of the Syrian refugees.
01:42And many, I think,
01:43They also hope to help their family.
01:45to be able to catch up.
01:47That's precisely the point.
01:48in the new asylum package negotiations.
01:51To what extent can one implement family reunification?
01:52the number of families is currently limited.
01:54Where do you get this knowledge from?
01:57that they are mostly Syrians,
02:00Are they coming?
02:01These are the current figures,
02:02which are available.
02:04So you also know,
02:05that many have forged documents
02:07and their original passports
02:10or have thrown away papers.
02:12And in Turkey
02:15You have to spend a lot of money for that.
02:19But that will be done.
02:20You know that too.
02:21Of course, forged documents exist.
02:24or many who have no papers at all.
02:26That's correct.
02:28And there will certainly be some
02:29also posing as Syrian refugees.
02:31The question now is,
02:32How do you deal with the situation?
02:34So, quite a few things have been missed,
02:36as you just said.
02:38What do you think in this context?
02:41with the dictatorship of good,
02:43How did you title your article?
02:46Yes, let me give you an example.
02:49The thing about the swimming pool.
02:51That was near Bonn.
02:53A ban was issued.
02:57for a week,
02:59Banned from the premises for male refugees
03:02from the neighboring reception camp,
03:05because it leads to assaults
03:07women in the swimming pool
03:09and harassment had occurred.
03:11And in the media,
03:13Let me put it in a general way,
03:15because it was indeed predominantly the case,
03:17also on television, for example,
03:19The word "collective punishment" was uttered.
03:23Yes, what is happening there?
03:25I can understand that
03:27that many in Germany feel reminded
03:32to what happened during the Nazi era.
03:36That's also part of German history.
03:39But that is not permissible at all,
03:43to use such a word in this situation.
03:46That was a regulatory policy measure.
03:48which I thought was completely right
03:49and could understand it well.
03:51How else can one deal with these young men?
03:54to make understandable and tangible,
03:57that what they do,
03:58It doesn't work?
03:59Jews were not allowed in Germany
04:01Don't go to any swimming pool.
04:03because they were Jews
04:04and not
04:05because they had harassed German girls and women.
04:08They are speaking in this context
04:10including media that voluntarily conform to the party line.
04:13Do you really see it that way?
04:15Do you get the impression that...
04:16that Cicero, focus,
04:18the act,
04:18the ride,
04:19the young world,
04:19Do they all adopt the same stance?
04:21Listen, Cicero,
04:22Ms. Vorshenrich,
04:23is now a commendable exception.
04:26It takes place in the media landscape.
04:28almost identical to that.
04:29what is happening in the German Bundestag.
04:32We no longer have an opposition.
04:34The Left,
04:35The Greens are at Mrs. Merkel's feet.
04:38The SPD is virtually spineless.
04:42This is a really big problem.
04:44That worries me a lot, too.
04:46There are in Germany
04:48no party
04:50for a large,
04:51deeply bourgeois
04:52and a deeply concerned majority.
04:56Where will these people go?
04:58When the federal elections come around?
05:00Perhaps to the AfD.
05:01If they do that,
05:03then that's one thing,
05:05certainly for many
05:07a defiant reaction.
05:09That's fatal.
05:10And that's what politics takes into account,
05:13that is made in this country
05:15the government,
05:16none at all
05:17She is completely unaware of this.
05:18She's not interested in that at all.
05:20I find that more than problematic.
05:22I think so,
05:23Yes, how should I put it?
05:27irresponsible.
05:28We know,
05:29that it is a right-wing extremist movement
05:31here in Germany.
05:33Last but not least, the
05:34drawn again
05:35by the NSU
05:36and that,
05:38what we hear
05:39now as part of this process.
05:41The willingness to
05:42in Germany
05:43to assume first,
05:44These are murders of Turks.
05:45That's impossible.
05:46Made by Germans.
05:48So there is
05:49very well
05:50also a mood,
05:52Perhaps that's even possible.
05:53as identitylessness
05:55describe
05:55in Germany,
05:57to tip over quickly,
06:00stereotypical ideas
06:00to attach
06:01the here
06:02also have a past.
06:05And all of that
06:06must a government
06:08knowledge
06:09and take into account.
06:11So I think
06:12that it is very important
06:14is that Europe
06:15in the countries,
06:17in which still
06:18far too many
06:19set out on the journey,
06:20make clear,
06:22that the illusions,
06:24with whom these people
06:25to set off
06:26that one there
06:27Enlightenment activities
06:28that you tell them,
06:29They don't spend your money,
06:31Do not leave your homeland,
06:32your hometown,
06:34That's not all.
06:35Civil war zones.
06:36So, there will also be
06:37somewhat rightly so
06:38fantasizes
06:39in this
06:41Do-gooderism.
06:41Germany must help
06:43Germany must save the day.
06:45That also has a bit of an effect
06:47Greeting-crazy tendencies.
06:49There are many, many,
06:49many countries in civil war
06:50in the world,
06:51not least in Africa.
06:52Do we want to do this now?
06:53Will they all be flying in?
06:55People who are here,
06:56the men,
06:5780 percent men,
06:59They are highly dissatisfied,
07:01they complain
07:02in the initial reception centers,
07:03They're staging a rebellion there.
07:05They are arguing,
07:06You know this, for example.
07:07Okay, man.
07:08Yes, there are certainly some.
07:10the situation of many men,
07:12the since, let's say,
07:14one year, two years,
07:15sometimes even three years
07:17if they come from Afghanistan,
07:18waiting for a decision
07:19whether they even
07:20Whether or not they can stay here.
07:21A scandal,
07:22not true?
07:23That has something to do with the
07:23to do with asylum law
07:25But these are not asylum seekers.
07:27These are immigrants.
07:28Well, I mean the situation
07:29in Afghanistan,
07:30as you can see,
07:31It is very conflict-ridden,
07:33There are many,
07:34the really from
07:35quasi-war zones
07:36have now fled.
07:37Yes, it is not a right to asylum.
07:39again,
07:40asylum law says
07:41something completely different
07:43but in Afghanistan,
07:44Mr. de Maizière was
07:45right there
07:46There are indeed areas,
07:48in which one can peacefully
07:50can still live
07:50into which one then
07:51first, one can escape.
07:53I mean, for example,
07:53the entire Islamic world,
07:55they couldn't care less,
07:57Saudi Arabia,
07:58Qatar,
07:59These are extremely wealthy countries.
08:01Why do they take
08:02No one?
08:03But I just wanted to
08:04to give a do-gooder example
08:06in the initial reception centers.
08:08So I've spoken with many
08:09spoke to employees
08:11from the Federal Ministry
08:12for migration.
08:14No one asks.
08:15which religion
08:16the people belong to.
08:19Yes, it's tolerant here.
08:21That's everyone's private business.
08:22They all come from countries,
08:24in which religious wars
08:26have been taking place for a long time.
08:28So what happens?
08:30The Christians among the refugees
08:32are in many
08:35Initial reception centers harassed
08:36from the Muslim refugees,
08:38This also applies to women, by the way.
08:41The Christians are standing there
08:42for hours in front of the
08:43Washing machines,
08:44must constantly
08:44get in line at the back of the queue
08:45because the Muslims are standing there
08:47and say,
08:48You didn't wear a headscarf,
08:49You are not a human being.
08:50This is all research now,
08:52which I am about to tell you.
08:54There are initial reception centers,
08:55in which, in view of the conflicts,
08:58so now
08:58has set up a security service.
09:02How are they staffed?
09:03with young men from Germany,
09:07the Muslims are,
09:08they hold
09:09I'm afraid I have to tell you this.
09:11This is not a cliché,
09:12They stick together
09:12They are watching,
09:13like Christians
09:14being beaten up in initial reception centers
09:17or be blackmailed for money.
09:19All these things.
09:21These are also excesses
09:23of do-gooderism.
09:25That doesn't go well together.
09:26Poland, for example, has said,
09:29We do not accept Muslims,
09:30We accept Christians.
09:31That was a very good offer.
09:32That was a very good offer.
09:34They mean,
09:34that Muslim refugees
09:36are less in need of protection?
09:37No,
09:38Don't make any assumptions about me.
09:40Because you say,
09:41Poland's offer was very good.
09:43It was good,
09:44because that would cause a separation
09:46It would have been possible
09:47between religious groups,
09:49who are located in Islamic countries
09:52They have been fighting for years.
09:54Mrs. Rubenkamp,
09:55You know,
09:56that Muslims also fight against other Muslims
09:58in the Near and Middle East.
10:00There are so many conflicting parties there.
10:04You can't even separate them all.
10:05Divide in the refugee accommodations
10:07Here in Europe, right?
10:09One could,
10:09naturally,
10:10One could separate them.
10:12Yes,
10:12What do we do now?
10:13Now they're bringing in the rioters.
10:15from the initial reception centers
10:16and brings the in smaller
10:1730-man shared apartments
10:20very comfortable underneath.
10:21That's how it happened, I believe.
10:22most recently in Erlangen,
10:24instead of taking them out,
10:25who suffer as a result.
10:28Are you actually afraid now?
10:29in Germany
10:29a growing antisemitism?
10:34No,
10:34I'm afraid something...
10:36many
10:37who can think
10:38and are thoughtful,
10:41We haven't been able to name them precisely yet.
10:43I'll say it again,
10:44We have no opposition.
10:47This is a very dangerous situation.
10:50We have no opposition
10:52and we have in a year and a half
10:54Federal election.
10:55Who should a large,
10:58deeply bourgeois majority
11:00in Germany,
11:00who are called Nazis,
11:02as soon as they open their mouths,
11:04Who should they vote for?
11:06Okay, let's consider a completely utopian scenario now, shall we?
11:08I believe there is
11:09three possibilities.
11:11The SPD could withdraw from the government.
11:13and say,
11:15We are holding a vote of no confidence.
11:16and demand new elections.
11:18The SPD will not do that.
11:20because she no longer has any backbone at all.
11:24A second possibility would be,
11:25The CDU ousts Angela Merkel
11:28and says,
11:30we take Wolfgang Schäuble
11:32as interim chancellor.
11:34The SPD would then have to agree to that.
11:36But Mr. Gabriel will not want that.
11:39And the third option is,
11:41that Mrs. Merkel resigns
11:43and says,
11:44This people is no longer my people.
11:48We can look forward to it.
11:51Ms. Roggenkamp,
11:52Thank you very much.
11:53Thank you very much.
11:56See you next time.
12:08See you next time.
12:31Subtitling by ZDF for funk, 2017
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