00:00 A story is published in the newspaper Dawn on 16 August. This story will be filed on 15 August. I have worked in this newspaper. This news has been filed a day before.
00:12 President Alvi returns over a dozen bills. This is about 13. Dr. Arif Alvi has returned all the bills as President.
00:20 If you read the intro, over a dozen bills will hang in limbo for an indefinite period after being returned by President Dr. Arif Alvi for reconsideration of the Parliament.
00:32 This is the way it is. When President Alvi returned the bills, they were in limbo because the National Assembly was dissolved.
00:41 Parliament is incomplete. Joint sitting of Parliament cannot be called. The dispute over the 10-minute clause has been resolved.
00:50 The lawyers are on different sides. One side says that President has corrected the bill. The other side says that President's statement is wrong.
01:03 We will discuss this further. But first, let's go to the people who say that the bill was signed, it was wrong, it was a jelly.
01:12 First, we will discuss this issue. Because the news was that the bill was signed and President tweeted it. I did not sign it.
01:17 I have something to say.
01:19 Chaudhary sir, I have some supporting questions. First, you listen to this.
01:22 How did Imam and Abid Zubairi sir say, listen to this first.
01:25 I did not sign it. So, look, the bill was signed. So, who did it go to? Was it signed or was it forged?
01:33 How was it forged? How was it approved?
01:36 Then, an investigation should be carried out.
01:38 When President says that these are not my signatures, then it becomes a criminal angle.
01:43 It is a straight forward forgery.
01:45 But, viewers, the Minister of Justice, Ahmad Irfan, came yesterday.
01:51 Obviously, a big controversy will be generated in the evening.
01:55 He came and clarified everything.
01:57 That the bill was not signed, the bill has not come back.
01:59 The bill is lying somewhere in the Presidency.
02:01 Therefore, the time of 10 days is over and the bills will become law. Listen.
02:06 Before today, the President of the country never said that such a situation did not come in front of us.
02:15 During the presidency of the President, he did not say that he was given a promise to return something without signing the document.
02:25 Mr. Shaikh, your opinion on this controversy, your comment, your explanation.
02:30 When this news came, what was your immediate reaction?
02:32 And what news do you have?
02:34 One thing is that I know President Araf Alvi very well.
02:40 I have not seen him go wrong with me in any matter.
02:45 Yes, if he does not want to tell anything, then he will apologize.
02:51 If he has taken a stand, then there must be some facts behind it.
02:56 Secondly, Azhar Faroon, we have full faith in him.
03:01 His stories bounce very well. He works on his truth and we are proud of him.
03:13 Having said this, yesterday another channel owner, I will not name anyone, quoted another teacher of his.
03:20 He said that our teacher explained one thing, that until the confirmation is not made,
03:27 you will not be able to tell a story, no matter how much pressure the channel or the press is under.
03:33 So he said, we are also told that all the channels are running, so why are you not running?
03:38 We tried to confirm it again and again from the President's office, but he refused to confirm.
03:44 So this, and along with that, the statement issued by the Department of Justice,
03:49 when the President did not sign, and today when the President has also asked to remove this act,
03:56 so all these things are mixed up, so someone has committed a big fraud.
04:01 On this, Mr. Chaudhary will come, that investigation should be done, should not be done, how will it be done, what will be done.
04:07 Hassan, it was Sunday, everyone was sitting comfortably, some were planning to go out with children,
04:12 to have tea time, and this news came. Then, of course, there was a transmission, all kinds of things.
04:17 What was your immediate reaction and what is the news?
04:20 The President of Pakistan is lying about corruption, or his real undercommand people,
04:25 who are saying that they did not listen to my order, I told them to send them back.
04:29 If 13 bills can go back, then 15 can also go.
04:32 The incident that happened, nothing else happened, the office of the President, it has been disproved.
04:38 If he has spoken the truth, then it has been disproved, and if he has lied,
04:42 then the President himself has disproved his position. This is my opinion.
04:47 The only thing is that the President has only two options, Article 75, which I will talk about later,
04:53 that is the point. When the word 'shell' is used in the constitution, then 'shell' is an obligation,
04:59 it is mandatory, you can get left or right from it.
05:02 He will either accept it within 10 days or he will return it within 10 days.
05:07 The President did not have a third option.
05:10 If the President has a third option, then the President should sit on every bill for 5 years,
05:22 and if he does not accept the bill, then the option of joint sitting is also over.
05:29 If the President sits on the bill and no one accepts it, nor sends it back,
05:35 then the law can be passed within 5 years, and then the Parliament becomes dysfunctional.
05:41 So, you cannot justify the President's action.
05:45 Can I answer this first?
05:47 I was completing the point.
05:50 You cannot justify this.
05:52 Yes, the President has the right to say that this is a law, I have an objection to this bill,
06:02 you can remove this, or because it is a part of the Parliament,
06:08 because Sadar is also a part of the Parliament which was not there before 18th January,
06:13 it was included later, so the President can suggest on his own that you include this in the bill.
06:21 So, neither did Modi Ram Nehru do anything wrong, nor did he send the bill back,
06:25 and do you know when the bill was returned?
06:27 Yesterday.
06:28 Yesterday?
06:29 Yesterday, the bill was returned to the Prime Minister's office.
06:32 I spoke to TPP 5 minutes ago, I am giving you the news,
06:36 I spoke to TPP 5 minutes ago, and they confirmed to me that the PM's office will send the bills back tomorrow.
06:49 So, they have received it from the PM's office.
06:51 So, viewers, if this news is true, and they are quoting the Attorney General,
06:56 so, Producer, can you show the two bills that have been printed in the Gazette of Pakistan,
07:02 and they are dated 18th August, do we have them?
07:06 Producer, can you see this?
07:08 Hassan, can you see this on the screen?
07:10 These two bills have been printed in the Gazette of Pakistan.
07:15 They have been accepted, right?
07:16 When the President did not take any action in 10 days,
07:18 the bills were accepted, that is why the President cannot sit on any bill for 5 years.
07:22 Let's move on.
07:26 I have an argument of my own.
07:28 If we look at the two different opinions,
07:33 first, we will talk about Hassan's argument,
07:36 which is being voiced by the Minister of Information,
07:39 and other government officials,
07:43 that the 10-day delay,
07:45 the first instance is when the bill goes to the President of Pakistan after Article 75,
07:51 he says that there are two options,
07:53 either he should return it,
07:55 by giving his opinion on it,
07:56 or he should accept it.
07:58 The third is that he does not have an opinion on it.
08:01 So, if he does not adopt any of those two opinions,
08:04 then, Hassan is absolutely right,
08:07 that if any President is sitting, then how can he move forward?
08:10 So, he should adopt the 10-day delay.
08:12 So, if he does, then it is an argument.
08:15 Mr. Chaudhary, please.
08:18 First of all, you listen to me.
08:21 I know Dr. Araf Ali very well.
08:24 I am ready to swear on his record,
08:28 that he does not lie and make false statements.
08:32 I have known him for years.
08:35 Number one.
08:36 Number two, the government is taking a refusal,
08:40 that if he does not sign the 10-day delay,
08:42 then it becomes a lie.
08:44 Even yesterday, Raja Salman Akram gave this bill,
08:47 that if the President returns it.
08:50 Mr. Chaudhary, look at that.
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