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What does Dan Quinn's future look like if the Commanders lose tonight? Will that spell the end?
Grant and Danny break it down from every angle.
Grant and Danny break it down from every angle.
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00:00is there any path at all with a rough night in the mini-buy?
00:06The only reason I ask is because it's by 2.0 here,
00:09where you have the most days you're going to have to do anything.
00:11Yeah, by one and a half.
00:12That Quinn could be in trouble after tonight.
00:14And the worst-case scenarios include another meltdown at the end of the game,
00:19this one with everybody watching.
00:20If you get to the end of the game and something crazy happens,
00:23that would be bad for him.
00:25If you get blown out in a pick-em-type game,
00:27you're a one-and-a-half-point underdog,
00:29obviously that's not a good look.
00:30You know how I feel, though?
00:31I think the ship has sailed.
00:32I believe that the chance you had to move on from him
00:35was much earlier on,
00:37closer back to when the last Giants fiasco happened.
00:40And I now think you've weathered the storm.
00:43At this point, it's just people screaming.
00:44It's just noise.
00:45Sure.
00:46That eventually goes away.
00:47The team is actually playing hard.
00:49You beat the Eagles.
00:50You hung with the Rams.
00:51You were right there with the Niners.
00:53I think there's enough for them to point to
00:54to just continue down this path.
00:56Now, I also think he's not going to be back next year, likely.
00:59But I do believe he finishes out the season.
01:01I don't see any world where they use this mini-buy
01:03to make a change.
01:03I don't either.
01:04And play this out for me.
01:06Let's say it's bad tonight for whatever reason.
01:08It happens.
01:09A stinker on primetime.
01:10That's never happened to Washington before,
01:12said the person that's never seen them.
01:13But let's say it is bad.
01:15Can you imagine how much worse it would look
01:18if you don't do anything with a trade deadline,
01:20you double down on this whole enterprise,
01:23this whole process,
01:24and then fired him?
01:26Like, to me, this is now Adam Peters.
01:29I don't know.
01:29It's not, again, it's not quite they're totally tied together,
01:31but there's a, there was a doubling down on this.
01:34Whereas there's no scapegoat anymore, right?
01:36If, had you decided,
01:38hey, after that debacle,
01:39where you got,
01:40we couldn't get a playoff on fourth,
01:41on to get the field goal,
01:43and you didn't know what down it was,
01:44just the way it looked.
01:45And this game mismanagement,
01:48the timeout bungling,
01:49how many legal procedure penalties there are,
01:52we can't watch this for another second.
01:54You're gone.
01:54There's your scapegoat, right?
01:56Where it's like his operation wasn't any good.
01:58You've now gone.
01:59I endorse him.
02:01I endorse this roster I put together.
02:03I endorse this team,
02:04this whole process.
02:05We're good, man.
02:06We don't need anything.
02:07And then you fired him?
02:09That would, to me,
02:10that would be the, like,
02:11would look so terrible for Peters.
02:12It does seem like,
02:14by not making any trades,
02:16you probably then can't move on from him.
02:19Because you signed up for an eval period
02:22for the rest of the year,
02:23or a going for it period.
02:25But, my rebuttal to that is,
02:27if you lose this game,
02:27there is no going for it.
02:28If you lose this game.
02:30You went and it's over.
02:30I don't care about the math.
02:32This is it.
02:32This is the whole ballgame.
02:33You either win and you have a shot,
02:34or you lose,
02:35and the competitive portion of the season is over.
02:37The other thing,
02:38and I could tie in the deadline in this way, too.
02:42Both could actually work,
02:43where you didn't make any moves at the deadline,
02:45and you were to fire him.
02:48Not making trades at the deadline
02:49was Adam Peters saying,
02:50we are good enough to win the division.
02:52This is a good roster.
02:53Then you fired Dan Quinn
02:54after a bad performance tonight,
02:55and your press conference is,
02:58we love Dan.
02:58He's a great guy.
02:59We're moving on to something new and fresh here.
03:02But Peters essentially says,
03:03this is not a bad roster.
03:05We lost Terry McLaurin and Deami Brown,
03:07and we're not struggling at wide receiver.
03:10We lost to Ron Payne and Javon Kinlaw,
03:12who we paid $28 and $15 million against the cap this year,
03:15and we're still pretty good at defensive tackle.
03:18There is spots where there is depth.
03:20We are without a tight end that we like a lot this week,
03:24and we're three deep at the position.
03:27I agree that they have spots they need to work on,
03:30and this is not a great roster,
03:31but there are plenty of positions
03:32where they're actually very well built.
03:35And he could sit there if they were to make a move
03:37and say, the reason we didn't make any trades
03:40is we do think we're good enough to win.
03:41We don't look at this roster and see two, six, and one.
03:44And by the way, that is why we're making this move.
03:47We don't think we're getting good enough leadership
03:49and coaching, and we're going to find the guy
03:51to take this roster to greater heights.
03:55That would be the way that you could thread the needle
03:57between the two.
03:58Now, I do not think they're going to do that.
04:00Right.
04:00I think Dan Quinn is here for the rest of the year,
04:02regardless of what happens.
04:04I guess it's possible that with a couple weeks left
04:06in the season, if they lose 30-13 or something
04:09a couple times, with two weeks left,
04:10you could have some interim coaching period
04:13to evaluate somebody on the staff
04:14just as a, you know, should we keep them around type guy.
04:17But, I don't know, I don't see it.
04:20Let's go to Shane in Fairfax.
04:21Shane, do you think anything that could happen tonight
04:23would even make Josh Harris have to think
04:24long and hard about a change?
04:27What up, Commander? What up, GP?
04:30Hey, buddy.
04:31Hey, Commander, I tell you what, man,
04:33you're getting good at that.
04:34Pretty soon people go and think,
04:35man, you're a kin, my friend.
04:38Appreciate you, buddy.
04:40You can come down south and pass all day long
04:42for Southern.
04:43Hey, look, let me tell you something.
04:44No, I'm with you, GP.
04:45I think that regardless,
04:47I know the fan base don't want to hear it,
04:49but I think he's here.
04:50If they wanted to let him go,
04:52they would have done it a long time ago.
04:55Now, like you said,
04:56now it's not about Dan Quinn now.
04:57It's about AP.
04:59It's about him now.
05:00We know Dan Quinn's not coming back next year.
05:02We know he's,
05:03unless he goes out and wins a damn Super Bowl,
05:05which we know that's not going to happen.
05:06How sure are you, Shane?
05:07You say that like it's a foregone conclusion.
05:09I still have real fear that that's not set in stone.
05:13Here's why I say that.
05:14Because if they keep losing,
05:17by the end of the year,
05:18the fan base is not going to be going to the stadiums.
05:21And I don't know if you're going,
05:23but a season ticket holders,
05:25if you go to these games,
05:26nobody's, hey, look,
05:27every time you lose,
05:29the fan base is not going to show up.
05:31I agree.
05:31And you made a great point the other day
05:33that the attendance,
05:34and I'm there,
05:34I'm seeing it.
05:35It is dropping.
05:36And there's nothing worse
05:37if you're an owner than empty seats.
05:38I agree with you.
05:39Dress like a seat,
05:40as Anthony Davis said.
05:42And not only that, GP,
05:43you see the other team
05:45more than our fans there, right?
05:47So the Wade team is now home game.
05:49And that's the last thing you want.
05:51That's any owner,
05:52as any kind of competitor,
05:54if you will, right,
05:55coming into your stadium
05:57or whatever you do for business
05:58and taking over.
05:59But you said if they keep losing, okay?
06:02They play the Giants
06:03in a pick-em game tonight.
06:04The Cardinals with a third-string quarterback,
06:06they could win that game.
06:08The Titans are a...
06:09That's a cost-up game.
06:09Well, I agree,
06:10but I'm just saying, hypothetically,
06:11if you just beat
06:12some of the worst teams in the league,
06:14the Cardinals are on your schedule,
06:15the Titans are on your schedule,
06:17the Falcons are poo-poo,
06:18the Texans are 3-5,
06:19they probably will beat Washington.
06:21But my point is,
06:22they could just be bad
06:24and win three or four more games
06:25and get to five or six on the season.
06:28And then you've had a 500-stretch run.
06:30And how do you know
06:30they're not going to turn around
06:31and go,
06:32look, the second half
06:33was way better than the first half.
06:34We actually want to keep the band together.
06:37But see,
06:38that's the last thing we want as fans
06:39is necessary wins right now
06:41that we're out of it.
06:42But if we lose tonight,
06:44then, yeah,
06:45then, I mean,
06:46look, here's the thing.
06:47We should have moved
06:48at least a couple of pieces
06:50just for the future,
06:51but we didn't.
06:52So that's where we're at.
06:53Number one,
06:54the offensive line.
06:54We should have done something else.
06:56Decker was still out there.
06:57I don't know if he's still out there or not,
06:58but you had opportunities
06:59to assign people
07:00to help with the left tackle.
07:02But you didn't.
07:03So he is so stubborn
07:04that this is his roster
07:06and he's going to go down
07:08with his ship.
07:08This is his line or die.
07:10Appreciate you, buddy.
07:10Thank you, buddy.
07:11Thanks for the call.
07:11I've got to get to the next one,
07:12but always good to hear from you.
07:14I'm not predicting this.
07:16I just want to float the idea
07:17whenever we hear,
07:19because I'm with Shane.
07:20We're in lockstep, bro.
07:22But when people act so confidently,
07:24like,
07:24it's already set in stone
07:26that it's already been written in Sharpie
07:28that Dan Quinn
07:29is not going to be here next year.
07:30If that was true,
07:31I don't think he'd be here now.
07:33I think they are giving him
07:34every opportunity.
07:35And I'm just saying
07:36you could win tonight
07:37and then you got the Cardinals
07:38with Carson Beck
07:39and then you got the Titans
07:40with Cam Ward
07:41and then eventually
07:42you got the Texans
07:43who that's going to be
07:44a toss-up type game.
07:45Again, they're a three-win team.
07:46The Falcons are not any good.
07:48What if the Jaguars
07:49are resting starters
07:50when you play them in Week 17?
07:51You win an empty calorie game.
07:53We saw it last year
07:54against the Eagles.
07:55Yes, we did.
07:55Week 18 against the Cowboys.
07:57Maybe they win the division
07:58and they're resting a starter.
07:59Maybe they're just bad.
08:00You never beat them.
08:01Dak Prescott torches you.
08:03But it's the final game
08:04of a season on January 10th
08:05and something weird happens.
08:06If you finish
08:08four and three
08:09in your last seven
08:10or something,
08:11I think people need
08:12to prepare themselves
08:12for the possibility
08:14that we're on this
08:14hamster wheel again
08:15next year.
08:16Reggie in D.C.,
08:17what's up?
08:19Hey, what's going on, fellas?
08:20Hey, buddy.
08:20Grant, you hit this
08:21on the head.
08:22Okay.
08:23Dan Quinn
08:24in his introductory
08:25press conference
08:25when he hired
08:26Cliff Kingsbury
08:27he said,
08:27the reason I picked him
08:28is because, man,
08:29when I had to go
08:29against his defense,
08:31his offense rather,
08:31because I just had
08:32so many issues.
08:33I remember that, yeah.
08:34Cliff, Cliff,
08:35I mean,
08:35Dan did not want
08:36to fire Cliff.
08:38AP did.
08:39If you hit all,
08:39believe all the reports
08:41and, you know,
08:41Cliff got tired
08:42or whatever it was.
08:43So you're telling me
08:43right now,
08:44okay, listen,
08:45the guy who I wanted,
08:46who I had success with
08:47in year one,
08:48year two,
08:49again, injuries,
08:50you can put all the factors in,
08:51I got rid of him.
08:52I interviewed,
08:53you're going to tell me
08:54that AP wasn't involved
08:55in the OC decision?
08:56Yeah, okay.
08:56Yes, he was.
08:57So now,
08:58because I'm having
08:59some struggles,
09:00which we had to at least
09:02think that that was going
09:03to be a remote possibility,
09:04you're going to get rid of me
09:06after year one?
09:06Absolutely not.
09:08Dan Quinn will be back
09:09next year unless,
09:11this is the only caveat,
09:12if the wheels fall off.
09:14And what indication
09:15do we have
09:16that it's falling off?
09:17We're losing games, yes,
09:18but it's not falling off.
09:20You gave me a,
09:21you literally gave me
09:22a freshman.
09:23You got to give me
09:24opportunities for this freshman
09:25to grow into a sophomore
09:27and then what we can see.
09:29This fan base can stop
09:30with this nonsense
09:31just automatically assuming
09:33he's going to get fired
09:35when you force me
09:36to get rid of the guys
09:37that I wanted to keep.
09:39Like, come on now,
09:40what are we talking about?
09:41Again, I think we're going to put,
09:42I don't think we're going
09:43to put a run in,
09:44but I think we're going
09:45to win enough games,
09:46probably end up seven wins
09:47where, yeah,
09:48the fan base is not
09:49going to be happy,
09:50but you're going to have
09:52to give me a second opportunity
09:54with these freshmen
09:55because you forced me
09:57to do it,
09:57minus the defense.
09:59The coordinator theory.
10:01It's not crazy.
10:06He didn't do this
10:07by himself.
10:08That part,
10:09I totally agree with.
10:11Meaning the coordinators?
10:12Yes.
10:12Yeah.
10:12He didn't decide,
10:14he didn't go to Adam
10:15and say,
10:15I want to fire
10:16both of these guys.
10:17I want to hire these other.
10:18This was a mutual operation.
10:20How much of it was
10:21Peters dictating to Quinn?
10:23That I can't tell you.
10:24There is the reporting
10:25and I've heard a bunch
10:27that he and Kingsbury did
10:28butt heads
10:29and were at odds
10:30from time to time.
10:32I don't see this team
10:33getting hot
10:34and going on a big run
10:35or ripping off
10:35a bunch of wins in a row
10:36because I don't think
10:37they beat the good teams
10:38they're going to play
10:38like the Minnesotas
10:39or the Bengals.
10:41If you could steal
10:42one of those,
10:43it is possible
10:43that you'd win
10:44three or four in a row.
10:45But for better or worse,
10:46and this is a compliment
10:47to Dan Quinn,
10:47it's maybe not what
10:48people want to hear
10:49that want change,
10:50that want to try
10:51to be great,
10:51that feel like
10:52this is a one-way ticket
10:53to mediocrity
10:54with this staff,
10:55with this coach
10:55over nine years
10:56who's sub-500
10:56and who over his last
10:58several years
10:59is 12 games under
10:59500 in two different places.
11:03His players play
11:04very hard for him.
11:05They don't quit.
11:07You know what I mean?
11:07Yeah, of course.
11:08Aaron Glenn's Jets,
11:10they don't seem that interested
11:11in keeping his job.
11:12You see this all the time
11:13with coaches.
11:14Right now,
11:14the Colts don't look like
11:15a team that is going
11:16to be really sad
11:17when Shane Steichen
11:18gets fired.
11:19The Commanders,
11:20they don't lay down
11:21for Dan Quinn.
11:22They like Dan Quinn.
11:23They're going to play
11:24hard for Dan Quinn.
11:25That's why I think
11:26they have the ability
11:27to steal some of these games
11:28and I just don't see
11:29a change coming in season.
11:31I'll be shocked.
11:32So yeah,
11:32so I,
11:32again,
11:33I know that people
11:34have pointed to Harrison
11:35and what they've done
11:36in hockey for the Devils
11:37where they've changed coaches
11:38like they change underwear,
11:40which I think is more
11:40NHL culture.
11:41Coaches change in that sport
11:43all the time as it is,
11:44so they've kind of
11:45gone along with that
11:46but with,
11:47again,
11:47the one sample we had
11:48for football was
11:49when the whole world
11:50as this team was going
11:514-13 and knew
11:53that Ron and the Martys
11:54were a joke
11:54and they shouldn't
11:55be here at all,
11:57he just,
11:57they waited and bided
11:58their time for the very end.
11:59So at a minimum,
12:00he's going through this season.
12:01At maximum,
12:02we're at worse,
12:03kind of to your point,
12:05the Troops rally
12:05for one last time
12:06for the old Gippa
12:07and next thing you know,
12:09there's some
12:09quote-unquote momentum,
12:10which is a false thing anyway.
12:1230% of rosters turn over
12:13regardless good,
12:14bad,
12:14and different
12:15and momentum
12:16would have been real
12:17if any of the time
12:18Washington had one
12:19of those hot streaks
12:20to end the season,
12:20they would ever have
12:21a good year to follow that up.
12:22The whole thing's bogus
12:23but it's something
12:24people tell themselves
12:24to preserve their gigs
12:25and pat themselves
12:26on the back.
12:27The worst case scenario
12:28is they do just well enough
12:30to convince the fools
12:31that yeah,
12:32we're on the right course,
12:33let's stay with this dude.
12:34Double play is next.
12:36What's going on in our lives?
12:37Nothing to do with sports.
12:38We're closing in on
12:40Commander's Giants
12:41a little bit after
12:428 o'clock tonight,
12:43a little over
12:44four and a half hours
12:45from right now.
12:46This is The Fan.
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12:47that
12:48everything
12:48is