00:01Charu Pragya, National Spokesperson of the BJP, is joining me.
00:04Pradeep Rai, Spokesperson of the Samajwadi Party and Senior Advocate, is also on the show.
00:10Pradeep Rai, one thing is evident that the BJP...
00:12Pradeep Bharti, yes. I beg your pardon for that.
00:16So, you know, one thing is clear that the BJP, Pradeep Bharti,
00:21I'll ask the producer to correct the name as well on the screen,
00:24doesn't take any election for granted.
00:28And what is also evident is that since 2024,
00:33you are also trying to firm up your position,
00:36particularly after the Lok Sabha results,
00:38which clearly meant that Akhilesh Yadav is, you know,
00:44doing everything right for a potential comeback.
00:46When you see Home Minister Amit Shah on ground zero,
00:50what is it that the Samajwadi Party is thinking?
00:54Thank you and good evening to all.
00:56Amit Shah's arrival in Lucknow itself in admission to the Yogi government's failure.
01:03One thing is very clear that Amit Shah's arrival in Lucknow,
01:07taking charge of the political situation,
01:09BJP leadership has increasingly realized that
01:13Yogi Adityanath is not,
01:16it's not fit enough to rule the Uttar Pradesh effectively.
01:21The state has been pushed into the situation...
01:22Let's get Charu Pragya also on the screen, please. Go ahead.
01:24The state has been pushed into the situation where there is no governance,
01:28public lost confidence in the BJP,
01:30and the political standing of the government is facing serious challenges.
01:34Even BJP central leadership appear to be recognizing this,
01:37and Uttar Pradesh no longer are politically secure for them.
01:40And people of Uttar Pradesh has seen the real face of current CM,
01:45where there is no development,
01:47only the divisive politics to gain the mere few votes.
01:50And Yogi, as a chief minister face,
01:53I haven't seen a single answer from the BJP side,
01:56whether they are state president,
01:58whether they are deputy CMs,
01:59or even the Home Minister does this question.
02:02If BJP itself is unwilling to publicly demonstrate
02:04the complete confidence in the leadership,
02:07How is the central leadership not really backing
02:10Yogi Aditya Nath's candidature?
02:12Where is that coming from at all?
02:14He is a sitting chief minister,
02:16who in 2022 returned with an even bigger mandate.
02:21What is making the Samajwadi party think
02:25that Yogi Aditya Nath is not the face of the BJP in the state?
02:29That itself, you have to ask this question
02:31to the BJP's state president,
02:34Honorable Home Minister,
02:35because this question has been asked in the past.
02:37And you know, one thing, Pradeep Bharti,
02:38after today's event,
02:40after today's event,
02:42where HM addressed the Karikartas,
02:45even all those questions that were being repeatedly asked,
02:48that is there some kind of difference of opinion,
02:51some kind of leadership,
02:53you know, tussle playing out between Delhi and Lucknow,
02:56that is also getting settled.
02:57Just look at the body language of the two leaders.
03:00Now, I don't know how you read the body language,
03:02because I'm not the right eligible person for doing that.
03:05You might be.
03:06But I rely on the questions.
03:08If you're from the media fraternity,
03:12if somebody asks a question,
03:13whether CM Yogi will be the face of next elections,
03:18then state president,
03:20I mean, he's an important person in the Uttar Pradesh,
03:23the state president himself said
03:26that we will decide after the elections.
03:29And same thing is done by the diptyes here.
03:32So, there is no question of me asking this.
03:35It's an entire BJP who is not able to answer it.
03:38I think that may be true about other leaders,
03:42it cannot be about Yogi Adityanath,
03:45and given the kind of iron fist control he has
03:48over the government in the state of Uttar Pradesh.
03:51Let me bring in Charu Pragya.
03:52Charu Pragya, you know,
03:53these talks or videos are coming,
03:58events are coming,
03:59after what will be seen as
04:01a setback for the BJP in the MLC elections.
04:04For a party which emphasizes on winning every election,
04:09every battle has to be fought to be won,
04:12that is the principle with which
04:14the BJP approaches these,
04:16any or every election,
04:18for the party to lose a very important seat
04:21in Varanasi,
04:23sends also some kind of warning signal.
04:26Is the party seeing that as a warning signal?
04:28Lucknow, Varanasi, Nagpur.
04:33Maria, good evening.
04:35And good evening to all our viewers as well.
04:37See, you're absolutely right in saying
04:40that BJP works its hardest
04:42in the most dedicated way
04:43for every single election,
04:45every single seat.
04:45But at the same time,
04:47because we are pro-democracy,
04:49we understand that not every vote
04:51is going to come our way.
04:52We understand that every single seat
04:54cannot be won by BJP.
04:56Every single government will not be made
04:58by the Bharati Janta Party.
05:00And this exactly is what faith
05:01in the democratic process means.
05:03So we will work our best,
05:05yes, absolutely.
05:06But at the same time,
05:07if the result doesn't go our way,
05:08we hail the will of the people
05:10above every other thing.
05:11The problem with the opposition
05:12is that that's not what they think.
05:14They discuss democracy
05:16in a way that is convenient to them.
05:19For them, the electoral result,
05:20if it is politically convenient,
05:22yay, they have won,
05:23everything is well and good.
05:24But if by chance
05:25they don't win a certain election,
05:27they want to start pointing fingers
05:29at every single process,
05:30every single institution,
05:31whether it is the election commission.
05:33In fact, recently,
05:34even if it is the Supreme Court of India.
05:36See, what transpired today
05:38was not political rhetoric.
05:40And I will tell you why I come to that.
05:41And I will give you a precedent to that.
05:43Recently, I think it was the 8th of October,
05:47that at a rally,
05:49Akhilesh ji challenged
05:50our sitting chief minister,
05:52Yogi ji,
05:52to contest Ramayodhya.
05:54He said,
05:54if you are that strong a leader,
05:56come fight Ramayodhya.
05:57You know,
05:57what was the response to this?
05:59Even though I thought
06:00that a sitting chief minister
06:01doesn't need to respond
06:02to these kind of calls
06:03made by a leader of the opposition.
06:06Yogi ji said,
06:06yes, fair enough.
06:07If that is what you need me
06:08to do on the ground,
06:09I'm happy to contest Ramayodhya.
06:11Today, I say the same thing.
06:12Can Akhilesh Yadav
06:13afford to leave his constituency
06:15and come and contest Ramayodhya
06:17on the ground?
06:18Today, Amit Shah ji said
06:19a very important thing.
06:20He said,
06:21bring this debate
06:22to the parliament.
06:23You want to discuss vote, Churi?
06:25What is the forum to discuss it?
06:26It's the parliament.
06:27You want to win an election?
06:28What is the way of doing it?
06:29Do you hit the streets
06:30protesting
06:31under the guise of anarchy
06:33or you go to the people
06:34and try and win
06:35in the democratic way?
06:37So when we are asking
06:40for a substantive answer,
06:42when we are saying
06:42that why don't Akhilesh Yadav ji
06:44and Rahul Gandhi ji
06:45come to the parliament
06:46and not just speak
06:47with allegations
06:48but come up with proof
06:49to speak with substance
06:51because sloganeering
06:53on the streets
06:53is not going to get them anything,
06:55they don't have any response.
06:56So through your show,
06:57I want to say two things today.
06:59One,
06:59if you're serious
07:00about this country
07:00and the politics
07:01in this country,
07:02why don't you take up
07:03the challenge
07:03that our honourable
07:04home minister
07:05has placed before you today?
07:06please come to the parliament.
07:07And secondly,
07:08Pradeep ji
07:09to Akhilesh ji
07:09ki party
07:10se aate hai.
07:10Ladwa hai hai na,
07:11Akhilesh ji ko ayodhiyya se.
07:12Ayodhiyya se.
07:13Chali, patayi.
07:14Ayodhiyya se.
07:14Ladinge ke kya.
07:15I'm so surprised
07:16the landed person
07:18like my colleague
07:18from BJP
07:19is not even aware.
07:25Can you please have
07:26cutsy to hear me out also?
07:28Yes, please.
07:29I have heard you hear you.
07:29A lot of cutsy
07:30I have heard you out.
07:31And I have an equal time,
07:32Mariya,
07:32what you have given
07:33to the BJP spokesperson.
07:35First thing,
07:36I admire my learned colleague
07:39from the BJP
07:40but she is not even aware
07:42that this statement
07:43was given by
07:43our ex-MLA
07:46from Ayodhiyya
07:46that come and fight
07:47from Ayodhiyya.
07:49That challenge
07:49was given by
07:50our ex-MLA
07:51so she is factually incorrect.
07:54Second thing
07:54she is talking about
07:55the government
07:55may command the majority
07:57in the parliament
07:57but we cannot command
07:59the consciences
08:00of the entire nation.
08:01Parliament majority
08:02is a mandate
08:03to the governance
08:03and not the license
08:04to the constitution
08:05principles.
08:07She is talking about
08:08winning elections.
08:09See,
08:10winning election
08:10is not the only thing
08:12we have in the democracy.
08:14Democracy cannot be reduced
08:16to simply
08:16act of winning the elections.
08:18It is equally
08:19how elections
08:20are conducted,
08:20how institutions
08:21functions.
08:22No, democracy
08:23is about winning
08:24elections,
08:25Pradeeb Bharti.
08:26You know,
08:27if a party
08:27is winning election
08:29one after the other
08:30and that applies
08:31to you as well,
08:32why did you go
08:34all out in 2024
08:35in Uttar Pradesh
08:36winning 37 seats?
08:38Is that not
08:39the mandate
08:40of the people
08:40that you welcomed?
08:42If you have
08:43patience to hear
08:44me completely,
08:45probably you would
08:45have got the answer
08:46what in your question?
08:47Maria, sorry for the
08:48interruption,
08:49it's very important
08:49to do this right now.
08:50Democracy cannot be reduced.
08:51One moment,
08:52one moment.
08:52What I am saying is,
08:53the real strength,
08:55how decent is treated,
08:57how decent is treated,
08:59how accountable
09:00those in the power
09:02And the real strength
09:03of the democracy
09:04is now measured
09:05by the authority.
09:05So I am coming
09:06back to you Pradeeb Bharti.
09:07I am sorry.
09:08Let her answer
09:09after that.
09:10Let me complete
09:10my point.
09:11It is not fair.
09:13I cannot.
09:20Let me complete
09:22my point.
09:24If somebody
09:25is interrupting me,
09:26please have.
09:2730 seconds to
09:28Pradeeb Bharti.
09:29Okay, one moment
09:29Pracharu Pradya.
09:3030 seconds.
09:31You gave him
09:32five minutes
09:32and you asked me
09:3230 seconds.
09:33I have 30 seconds.
09:34Please finish your point.
09:35And 10 times
09:36you are interrupting me.
09:38Why 30 seconds?
09:39Let me complete
09:40my point
09:40because you have
09:41given him
09:41her full flow
09:43of next two minutes.
09:44No, you got full time
09:45in the beginning.
09:46Please make your point.
09:47No, I haven't.
09:47No, I haven't.
09:48No, I haven't.
09:48He is telling me
09:49that I don't have my facts
09:50correct.
09:50I have the right
09:51to correct him.
09:51What I was saying is,
09:52he doesn't know
09:52what his own party leader said.
09:53One moment.
09:54Charu Pragya,
09:55one moment.
09:55Yeah.
09:57I mean,
09:58you can give her chance.
09:59She is so excited
10:01to put the fact
10:03check.
10:04Let her,
10:04please allow her.
10:05Finish your point,
10:07Pradhibhati.
10:07What I was saying
10:09initially,
10:10the real strength
10:11of democracy
10:12is not measured
10:13by the authority
10:13of enjoying the government,
10:15but the power
10:16that remains with that.
10:17So we have to understand
10:19that every citizen,
10:21whatever voice,
10:23their voice has been heard.
10:25Any peaceful demonstration
10:27which we are doing
10:28on the 1st of November,
10:30the public meetings
10:31or political dissent
10:33needs to be heard.
10:35it cannot be
10:36every time
10:36they have some suspicion
10:38about it.
10:39The right of peaceful
10:39assembling
10:40and the expression
10:41of freedom
10:42or expression
10:43the constitutional guarantee
10:44of freedom.
10:44Pradhibhati and Charupragya
10:45appreciate your time.
