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00:08Hello and welcome to this special edition of The Ring, Euronews' weekly debate show, broadcasting live from the Euronews Enlargement

00:17Summit from Autoworld in Brussels.

00:20I'm Stefan Grober.

00:21Now, here on The Ring, politicians go face-to-face on some of the biggest issues facing the continent, and

00:28on this episode, we're honing in on really the future of Europe.

00:34With Ukraine's accession ambitions and the Western Balkans' long wait for membership, EU enlargement is once again at the center

00:43of Europe's political debate.

00:45While some see expansion as a strategic necessity to strengthen European security and democracy, others warn that rushing the process

00:55risks undermining peace, democratic standards, and the EU's own cohesion.

01:01So, after years of promises and delays, can the EU move forward credibly, and should geopolitical interests come before strict

01:13membership rules?

01:15So, a lot to unpack here for our contenders in The Ring today.

01:20And here they are.

01:22Pascale Torridico, Italian member of the European Parliament with the left group, and Rio Terras, also member of the European

01:28Parliament with the European People's Party from Estonia.

01:32Please, welcome to The Ring, gentlemen.

01:37Pascale.

01:42So, let's start with Serbia.

01:45Where the parliamentary elections, just a few days ago, brought to power a student movement

01:50that is not necessarily more pro-European than the government of Aleksandr Vucic.

01:56Do you still see Serbia on track to become an EU member state in the foreseeable future?

02:02Rio, I'm going to start with you.

02:03Well, I'm not predicting anything what the student movement is or is not,

02:07because they were not willing to declare their political views before they were winning,

02:15and they won with an avalanche.

02:18So, I think it is important that the Serbian people have decided that the regime of Vucic was not democratic

02:27enough.

02:27And now, it is in the hands of these people who have been elected to the parliament to decide which

02:33track Serbia needs to take.

02:36And I am convinced that the track is European track, because Serbian people are very much willing.

02:42Pascale, how do you see it?

02:44It's right.

02:45We don't know much about their...

02:47Yeah, we don't know much, but I would be quite...

02:49I mean, I'm quite happy about the fact that young students all over Europe today are demonstrating and fighting for

02:56their right.

02:56They want to take the future.

02:57And in fact, we see as well in Serbia, it's happening directly through democratic process, the elections.

03:03So, this is something that needs to be respected and seen positive in particular,

03:07because as we know, the government of Vucic was quite corrupted.

03:12There were accusations of that.

03:14Europe was complaining as well against the government.

03:19Does Serbia, at the end of the day, needs to make a choice between its friendship to Russia and the

03:26European Union?

03:28We're getting mixed signals here, right?

03:31Nowadays, there is only black and white.

03:35If you are not with the European Union, Russia will grab you.

03:40And we have seen that Ukraine announcing their willingness to have an association agreement with the European Union caused the

03:49war,

03:49and Russia attacked Ukraine.

03:51So, in my opinion, there is no free space in defense, no free space in economy.

03:57And Europe needs to use the opportunity right now.

04:00Would you agree?

04:01Well, I'm quite skeptical to the idea of seeing the world in general, black and white,

04:08the world, the country that needs to make a choice to be there and there.

04:12Member states have their own history and tradition.

04:16So, they may be linked with some countries.

04:20I don't make this as a necessary condition.

04:22You have to disconnect all your legacy.

04:28You know, we need to understand better the tradition and the root of the people.

04:31I see today that there is an issue with Russia, and I see the war of aggression.

04:35But once we, we cannot change geography.

04:41Geography is there for us to be ruled, to be governed.

04:46And countries, they have ties.

04:47If we see the world as block contrapposted, block which are one against another,

04:55we don't see the room for politics, in fact.

04:58Politics needs, in general, to create links.

05:02Europe is funding and supporting Ukraine.

05:06Isn't it fair to say to Serbia, you need to cut off your relations with Russia?

05:11Otherwise, there's no European...

05:12I don't think it is any need to say to the countries anything.

05:16That's the more democratic governments who make decisions.

05:18And Ukraine has made...

05:20Ukrainian people have elected the president and the government

05:23which wants Ukraine to join European Union.

05:27And Russia attacked Ukraine because of that.

05:30did not want that Ukraine becomes a part of European family of democratic nations.

05:37And the same decision lies on the Serbia side.

05:40If they want to join European Union, they must.

05:42We must do everything possible to help them to get to the level

05:46that they will be accepted by other European Union nations.

05:49But we should not tell the people what to do or what not to do.

05:53So, in more general terms, the EU already struggles sometimes

05:58with the decision-making among 27 member states.

06:02Now, there are 30, 35 member states in the future.

06:07That would lead many people to say,

06:09it's enough.

06:10This becomes unmanageable.

06:12What do you tell these people?

06:13Why that?

06:14Well, as Europe had only seven members,

06:18they thought that's impossible to take decisions in 15.

06:21It's impossible to take decisions in 20.

06:23As we were joining, it was said,

06:25well, taking them, the decisions will not be possible.

06:28It is always possible.

06:30The European Union has shown that it finds the finances

06:34and it finds the solutions for administrative solutions to enlarge

06:39just because it has been the most successful economic project

06:43of the history of mankind.

06:45And we need to go on with it because if we don't,

06:48then we will lose this battle.

06:50We should step forward.

06:51Pasquale.

06:52Well, you know, Stefan,

06:54which country has been historically in Europe

06:56in favor of the enlargement?

06:59Guess one.

07:00UK.

07:01UK has been historically in favor of all the enlargement possible.

07:05You know why?

07:06Because actually Europe,

07:09UK wants to weakening the process of integration

07:13through enlargement.

07:15And I would say, in a way,

07:17this objective was reached.

07:19This was one of the biggest objectives of Margaret Thatcher,

07:22who was not really a Europeanist

07:24in the sense of a federalist European.

07:26Actually, I see the enlargement as a process

07:29which could happen only if you manage to deepen the integration.

07:36If we do enlargement just because of military purpose, for instance,

07:40or just because we do have just one specific objective,

07:44forgetting the common market,

07:48forgetting the social dimension,

07:49forgetting the peace on which Europe is founded,

07:52then I think that we do a mistake.

07:55Enlargement is a process which needs, first of all, reform,

07:58which needs increasing the budget.

07:59Look at the budget.

08:00We are fighting it in Europe for 1% budget.

08:04For what?

08:05How can we define that Europe

08:07if we don't have a budget to spend?

08:09With more member states, actually,

08:11this would be even more dangerous

08:14to create a common budget

08:15because most of them are against,

08:17would be against,

08:18against the social dimension,

08:20against the spending,

08:21against the common budget,

08:22against many common objectives

08:24that we, in 1957,

08:29we thought that these were very important to respect.

08:32A lot of points here.

08:34I want to go back to Rio.

08:35Are you agreeing with it?

08:36No, absolutely.

08:37I don't agree at all.

08:38I mean, we should see enlargement as an opportunity.

08:43And I'll take Ukraine because it is the biggest one.

08:46The small ones, it was talked on the scene today,

08:49the small ones, they are, say,

08:52easier, digestible for European Union.

08:54But Ukraine, with its 40 million people,

08:57is, of course, a challenge.

08:59The same thing which was said about Poland.

09:01And today, Poland is the most,

09:03one of the most successful economies,

09:06even through the recession times,

09:08Poland was very solid on its economy.

09:11And it's now one of the pillars of European Union.

09:15Ukraine has educated very clever people.

09:18Ukraine has the biggest national resources of Europe.

09:21I'm not talking about agriculture,

09:23but even the natural resources are the biggest in Europe.

09:27It should be seen as an opportunity,

09:29as an opportunity to get stronger with a bigger market,

09:34with economical wealth

09:36against all the other nations who are competing with us.

09:40I mean, the United States is much bigger.

09:43Somehow they managed to deal with themselves.

09:46And they also have bigger problems.

09:49Of course they have.

09:50Everybody has.

09:50Do you agree with this?

09:51Do you agree with this assessment?

09:53Well, since you made the comparison with the United States,

09:56we are bigger, 27 today,

09:58and we did not even manage to have a common policy

10:01against the tariff of Trump.

10:03Because we disagree with the approach

10:05that we need to maintain against Trump.

10:07If we are 35,

10:09do you think that it would be easy to find a trade policy,

10:12a common answer to Trump?

10:14Well, this is what I mean when enlargement done

10:17without a process could even weaken Europe.

10:19I am not prejudicially against enlargement.

10:22Actually, I am in favor of the enlargement.

10:24I think that enlargement before that

10:27needs to create common policy,

10:31reform in the institutional setting,

10:33and as well a reflection of what Europe is about.

10:38Europe is about a market.

10:40Well, we do not need a European Union

10:42if Europe is about a market.

10:43We just have a trade union then.

10:46Europe is about a social dimension,

10:48an economic dimension,

10:49a common idea of where we want to be

10:52in 20, in 50, in 100 years from now.

10:56Okay, let me stop you right there.

10:58As we are just getting warmed up here,

11:00it is now time for gloves off.

11:07Now, we want the viewers to get a real flavor

11:09of the European Parliament

11:10where members ask each other questions

11:14and respond to each other directly.

11:17That means we want our contenders today

11:19to challenge each other directly,

11:21just as you do in the hemicycle

11:23in Strasbourg and Brussels.

11:25So, let's get started,

11:26and I'm going to start with you, Rio.

11:28What's your question to Pasquale?

11:30I have heard your arguing

11:32about that the European defense policy

11:36is dominated by Estonia.

11:39Do you really think

11:40that one million people

11:41can dominate anything, first?

11:43But secondly,

11:44do you think that we should neglect

11:46the possibility of trying

11:48to dominate defense

11:50after Russia has attacked Estonia

11:52in the last thousand years 42 times,

11:55which makes it every 25 years,

11:56and we are right now

11:57on the 35th year of our independence.

11:59So, do you really think

12:01that Estonia should shut up

12:03as a small country

12:03and not talk about defense

12:05the way you posted it?

12:08No, I don't think.

12:09Probably you refer to something else

12:11that I said,

12:12and I would confirm that.

12:13The three most important commissioners

12:15today in Europe

12:17they are Dombrowski,

12:18Economy,

12:19Kubilius,

12:20Defense,

12:21and Callas,

12:23Foreign Affair.

12:25Estonia, Lithuania,

12:26and Latvia.

12:27So,

12:28this basically underlines

12:30a kind of

12:31strong interest

12:33only for that part of Europe.

12:36I understand the current period,

12:38the current moment

12:39in which we live,

12:40but if we don't bring Europe together,

12:42then Europe will weaken itself.

12:44So, I'm not against Estonia.

12:45I love Estonia.

12:46I've been teaching in Tallinn for a while.

12:48I've been quite international

12:50in Europe,

12:50traveling and teaching

12:52which is my profession

12:54in many Eastern Europeans.

12:56Actually,

12:56my PhD was about

12:58enlargement

12:59of Eastern Europe.

13:01And I focus

13:02exactly on the case of Poland.

13:04You know why Poland

13:04is a successful case

13:05that you manage?

13:06Because it managed

13:08to create

13:08the right institutions

13:09before,

13:10since 1993.

13:12Before,

13:12with a sort of

13:14therapy,

13:15reforming the state,

13:17building the nation

13:18within.

13:19And then,

13:19expanding policy

13:21embracing Europe,

13:22the conditionality

13:23of Copenhagen in primus.

13:24And this was a successful case

13:25because of that.

13:26I'm not against Poland,

13:27I'm in favor.

13:28I want you to ask a question

13:30to Rio also.

13:32Don't forget.

13:33Do you think

13:33that Europe actually

13:34needs to increase

13:35the budget

13:36to face

13:37the challenge

13:38that we are facing

13:40starting from

13:41social dimension,

13:42the protest of today

13:44in most of European countries

13:45which actually underlines

13:47suffering,

13:49declines of the automotive,

13:51declines of industry?

13:52Do you think

13:52that the market alone

13:54can save us

13:55along with the military

13:56probably conversion

13:58of the industry?

13:59Or do you think

13:59that actually we need

14:00to increase the budget

14:01and having unanimity

14:03as well

14:03in deep process

14:04of decision?

14:05I think European Union

14:06needs to have the budget

14:08for its common projects

14:09but I think

14:10the problems lie

14:11in the nations

14:13who are not following

14:14the mastery criteria

14:15and the nations

14:16should get

14:17their own finances

14:19intact

14:19in the way

14:21that you will be able

14:22to pay

14:22your social services,

14:24you will be able

14:25to pay

14:25even for defence

14:26because the security

14:28and defence policy

14:29as foreign policy

14:30is the responsibility

14:32of the European

14:34member nations

14:35and not European Union.

14:37Europe should concentrate

14:38on competitiveness

14:39of European

14:41as a whole

14:42and the competitiveness

14:43has suffered a lot

14:44in the last years

14:45because of the

14:46very weak governments

14:47say in France

14:49with a national depth

14:50of a huge

14:52national depth.

14:53In Estonia

14:54our national depth

14:56is 20%.

14:57Most of the European

14:59countries have it

15:00around 100%

15:01or more.

15:02You should have

15:03finances intact

15:04in your own countries

15:06and not increase

15:07the European budget

15:08for that.

15:10So you use

15:10the common money

15:11so it's like

15:12a big guy

15:13or a small guy

15:14first we eat

15:15your sausage

15:16and then

15:16each of us

15:17eats his own.

15:19I don't think

15:20that is a good policy.

15:21Alright,

15:21thank you so much

15:22for this round.

15:22We've heard

15:23your views

15:24from our guests.

15:26Now it's time

15:27to hear from

15:28a new voice.

15:33And let's bring

15:34in the voice

15:35of Ursula von der Leyen

15:36the EU Commission

15:37President.

15:38Just a few weeks ago

15:39she characterized

15:39EU enlargement

15:41as this

15:42and I quote

15:43Enlargement

15:44of our union

15:44is a geopolitical

15:46imperative.

15:47Today we're laying

15:48the groundwork

15:49to ensure

15:49that the larger union

15:51is also

15:52a stronger one.

15:53So

15:54geopolitical

15:55imperative

15:56Pascuala.

15:57Let's talk about

15:58the elephant

15:58in the room here

15:59Russia.

16:00Has Russia's war

16:01against Ukraine

16:02turned

16:03enlargement

16:04into a matter

16:04of European security?

16:06Well

16:07evidently

16:08yes

16:08meaning that

16:09this is a fact

16:10we are now

16:11speaking about

16:12enlargement

16:12exactly because

16:13of the

16:13geopolitical dimension

16:15but this

16:15I think

16:16is the mistake.

16:18As far as

16:18we treat

16:19enlargement

16:20as a geopolitical

16:21dimension

16:21we incur

16:22in the problem

16:23that I was

16:23underlining

16:24before.

16:24We forget

16:26about economy

16:26we forget

16:27about social

16:27dimension

16:28we forget

16:29about the

16:29issue

16:30on which

16:311957

16:32Rome treaty

16:33was founded.

16:34So

16:34then I think

16:35that the

16:35phrase

16:37you also

16:38underlined

16:38with due

16:39respect

16:40should be

16:40a little bit

16:41reformulated.

16:42Rio

16:42what do you think?

16:43Did we change

16:44the rules here?

16:45We're purely

16:46looking at

16:47security.

16:47I think

16:48Europe

16:48is a

16:49peace

16:49project.

16:50Europe

16:50has been

16:51a peace

16:51project

16:51from the

16:52very

16:52beginning

16:52and I

16:53remember

16:54I was

16:55one of

16:55those

16:56who was

16:56working

16:56hard

16:57in the

16:57embassy

16:58towards

16:59European

16:59Union

17:00and

17:00NATO

17:00and we

17:01have

17:02defined

17:03these

17:03aims

17:03already

17:04early

17:051990s

17:06because

17:07we saw

17:07it

17:08as

17:08something

17:09which

17:09delivers

17:09also

17:10security

17:10and

17:11it is

17:12the same

17:12today

17:13it has

17:13not

17:13changed

17:14but

17:15Europe's

17:15focus

17:16should

17:17be

17:17still

17:17a

17:18competitiveness

17:18of

17:19European

17:19nations

17:20in the

17:20world

17:20because

17:21this

17:22is

17:22the

17:22strength

17:22last

17:23year

17:23we

17:24overcome

17:25China

17:25as a

17:26gross

17:26domestic

17:27product

17:27and

17:28now

17:28rating

17:29second

17:30after

17:30the

17:30United

17:30States

17:31we

17:31should

17:32use

17:32this

17:32power

17:33this

17:34economic

17:34power

17:35to

17:35influence

17:36but

17:36nobody

17:37listens

17:37to us

17:37if

17:37we

17:38don't

17:38have

17:38weapons

17:38so

17:39we

17:39need

17:40to

17:40demilitarize

17:41ourselves

17:41back

17:42to

17:42the

17:42level

17:42where

17:43we

17:43were

17:43listened

17:44to

17:44today

17:44Putin

17:45does not

17:45listen

17:46to us

17:46we

17:46have

17:46seen

17:47President

17:47Stoob

17:48talking

17:48to

17:50Putin

17:50got a

17:52lecture

17:52from

17:53him

17:54about

17:54the

17:54history

17:55we

17:55should

17:56show

17:57that

17:57we

17:57are

17:58strong

17:58and

17:59we

17:59need

17:59to

17:59be

17:59counted

18:00with

18:00Pascual

18:01we

18:02we've

18:02heard

18:03Russian

18:04influence

18:05in the

18:06Western

18:07Balkans

18:07even

18:08in

18:08Western

18:08Europe

18:08but

18:09in

18:09the

18:09Western

18:09Balkans

18:09in

18:10particular

18:11isn't

18:11that

18:12a

18:12reason

18:12more

18:13to

18:13say

18:13we

18:14need

18:14to

18:14admit

18:14these

18:15countries

18:16because

18:16otherwise

18:17they

18:18are

18:18left

18:19to

18:21Russian

18:21whims

18:22and

18:22Russian

18:23aggression

18:24well

18:25it

18:25depends

18:25it

18:25depends

18:26what

18:26we

18:26mean

18:27by

18:29conditionality

18:30that

18:30Russia

18:30is

18:30exerting

18:31on

18:31Montenegro

18:32on

18:32Serbia

18:33and so

18:33on

18:34those

18:34people

18:34first of

18:35all

18:35think

18:36about

18:36religion

18:36those

18:37people

18:37are

18:37mostly

18:37in

18:38Serbia

18:38in

18:39Orthodox

18:40they

18:40have

18:40link

18:41not

18:41with

18:41Putin

18:42they

18:42have

18:42link

18:42with

18:43some

18:43legacy

18:43with

18:44some

18:44tradition

18:45do

18:45we

18:45need

18:46to

18:46ask

18:46to

18:46these

18:47people

18:47forget

18:47about

18:48your

18:48religion

18:48forget

18:49about

18:49your

18:49patriarch

18:50I

18:51don't

18:51think

18:51that

18:51this

18:51a

18:51good

18:51approach

18:52from

18:52us

18:52from

18:53a

18:53democratic

18:53point

18:54of

18:54view

18:54we

18:55still

18:55claim

18:56we

18:56are

18:56a

18:57democratic

18:57union

18:58so

18:58that

18:58we

18:59need

18:59to

19:00accept

19:00the

19:01legacy

19:01of

19:01the

19:01country

19:02then

19:02as

19:02far

19:02as

19:03of

19:03course

19:03we

19:03think

19:04about

19:04political

19:05influences

19:06choices

19:07trade

19:07well

19:08this

19:09need

19:10to be

19:10discussed

19:11and I

19:11would

19:11not

19:11be

19:12in

19:12favor

19:12do

19:13you

19:13agree

19:14do

19:15I

19:15agree

19:15that

19:15people

19:16need

19:16to

19:16have

19:16their

19:16culture

19:17taken

19:17care

19:18of

19:18yes

19:18I

19:19think

19:19now

19:19that

19:19religion

19:19is

19:20something

19:20which

19:21is

19:22freedom

19:23of

19:23religion

19:23is

19:23one

19:23of

19:24the

19:24core

19:24principles

19:24of

19:25European

19:25Union

19:25I

19:26mean

19:26I

19:26have

19:26no

19:26problem

19:27but

19:27the

19:28problem

19:28is

19:28that

19:28Russia

19:29does

19:29not

19:30use

19:30orthodox

19:31church

19:32as

19:32a

19:33free

19:33will

19:33but

19:34as

19:34a

19:34KGB

19:36follower

19:36following

19:37organization

19:38which

19:38just

19:38influences

19:39the

19:40minds

19:40of

19:40the

19:40people

19:41in

19:42order

19:42to

19:42be

19:42with

19:43Putin

19:43in

19:44this

19:44war

19:44of

19:45aggression

19:46against

19:47Ukraine

19:47yeah

19:47talk

19:48about

19:48people

19:48we

19:49will

19:49do

19:49that

19:49in

19:49our

19:50next

19:50round

19:51which

19:51is

19:51the

19:51fourth

19:52one

20:00let's

20:01take a

20:01look at

20:02how

20:02European

20:02citizens

20:03follow

20:03the

20:04current

20:04debates

20:04on

20:05enlargement

20:05and

20:06what

20:06their

20:06thinking

20:07is

20:08especially

20:08their

20:09worries

20:09and

20:10here

20:10we

20:10have

20:10a

20:10special

20:11Eurobarometer

20:11survey

20:12from

20:122025

20:13that

20:13still

20:13offers

20:14some

20:14eye

20:15opening

20:15clues

20:16so

20:16when

20:17people

20:17across

20:17Europe

20:17ask

20:18about

20:18their

20:18worries

20:19when

20:19it

20:19comes

20:20to

20:20enlargement

20:2036%

20:22say

20:22well

20:23it

20:23creates

20:23more

20:23complicated

20:24decision

20:24making

20:25at

20:25EU

20:25level

20:2637%

20:27it's

20:28the

20:28cost

20:28to

20:28European

20:29taxpayers

20:29that

20:30is

20:30worrying

20:3039%

20:31say

20:32corruption

20:33organized

20:33crime

20:34and

20:35terrorism

20:35and

20:3640%

20:37uncontrolled

20:38migration

20:39how do

20:40you see

20:41these numbers

20:41Pascual

20:41does anything

20:42surprise you

20:43here

20:43well not

20:44much

20:44I think

20:45that this

20:45is quite

20:47true

20:47reflect very

20:48much as

20:49well the

20:49the

20:50the

20:51the

20:52preoccupation

20:52of some

20:53citizen in

20:54Italy

20:54which is my

20:55country

20:55cost of

20:56living today

20:56is very

20:57high in

20:58the priority

20:59and people

21:00in Europe

21:01people in

21:02Italy

21:03underline

21:04the fact

21:04that the

21:06decision making

21:07at European

21:07level

21:08is so

21:08slow

21:09is so

21:09complex

21:10and so

21:10complicated

21:11that's why

21:12when I

21:12say

21:12we need

21:13to

21:13first

21:14change

21:15our

21:15institution

21:15and that's

21:16why the

21:16institution

21:17of the

21:17country

21:17which is

21:20making

21:20accession to

21:21Europe

21:22before

21:22making

21:23enlargement

21:24because

21:24this is

21:25what

21:25citizens

21:26would

21:26understand

21:27otherwise

21:27actually

21:28what we

21:29have seen

21:29in the

21:29last

21:30years

21:31is

21:32basically

21:32an increase

21:33of

21:33sovereignism

21:34which is

21:35detrimental

21:35for the

21:36process

21:36of

21:36European

21:37integration

21:37if we

21:38do not

21:39care

21:39about

21:39social

21:39issues

21:40about

21:40cost

21:40of

21:40living

21:41about

21:41cost

21:42of

21:42wage

21:43which

21:44are not

21:44increasing

21:45inflation

21:45which is

21:46eroding

21:46purchasing

21:47power

21:47then we

21:48don't

21:48bring

21:48all the

21:49citizens

21:49together

21:49and this

21:50is what

21:50we need

21:50to do

21:50are we

21:51not

21:52we as

21:53European

21:53Union

21:55communicating

21:55enough

21:56the

21:57advantages

21:58of

21:59enlargement

21:59I mean

22:00this

22:00uncontrolled

22:01migration

22:0240%

22:03of people

22:03worry

22:04about

22:04this

22:04is

22:04this

22:04justified

22:05I

22:05think

22:06it

22:06is

22:06I

22:06mean

22:06we

22:07need

22:07to

22:07listen

22:08to

22:08the

22:08people

22:08but

22:09first

22:09the

22:10governments

22:11of the

22:11countries

22:12need to

22:12listen

22:12to

22:12the

22:13people

22:13but

22:13there

22:14are

22:14certain

22:14things

22:14Europe

22:15can

22:15do

22:15and

22:16of

22:16course

22:16the

22:17question

22:17about

22:17bureaucracy

22:18which

22:18was

22:18there

22:19one

22:19of

22:19the

22:19threats

22:20also

22:20is

22:21something

22:21we

22:21need

22:21to

22:22deal

22:22with

22:22because

22:23bureaucracy

22:23is

22:24a tendency

22:24to

22:25create

22:25more

22:25bureaucracy

22:26and we

22:26need

22:26to

22:27cut

22:27the

22:27red

22:27tape

22:27we

22:28need

22:28to

22:29decrease

22:30significantly

22:30the

22:31European

22:31bureaucracy

22:32because

22:33a lot

22:34of

22:34money

22:34comes

22:34always

22:34with

22:35bureaucracy

22:35but

22:36we

22:36need

22:36to

22:36control

22:36the

22:37bureaucracy

22:37second

22:38thing

22:38is

22:38absolutely

22:39we

22:39need

22:39to

22:39combat

22:40the

22:41migration

22:41the

22:42same

22:42way

22:42we

22:43are

22:43dealing

22:43with

22:43the

22:43defense

22:44issues

22:44on

22:44the

22:44eastern

22:45border

22:45we

22:45need

22:46to

22:46take

22:46care

22:46of

22:46the

22:47of

22:47the

22:47Mediterranean

22:48and

22:48all

22:48the

22:49questions

22:49of

22:49migration

22:50and

22:50not

22:50invite

22:51everybody

22:51to

22:52be

22:52part

22:52of

22:52it

22:53not

22:55legally

22:56or

22:56illegally

22:57we

22:57need

22:58to

22:58concentrate

22:58on

22:59what

22:59our

23:00people

23:00want

23:00in

23:01our

23:02countries

23:02and

23:03Europe

23:03should

23:03take

23:04the

23:04bigger

23:04challenges

23:05we've

23:06seen

23:06time

23:06and

23:07again

23:07the

23:07political

23:08potency

23:09of

23:09the

23:09migration

23:10issue

23:10in

23:11Europe

23:11in

23:11the

23:11public

23:12discourse

23:12and

23:13of

23:13course

23:13in

23:14election

23:15campaigns

23:17is

23:18it

23:18fair

23:18to

23:18say

23:18that

23:19migration

23:20and

23:20the

23:20migration

23:21issue

23:21is

23:22one

23:22the

23:23biggest

23:23threats

23:24to

23:24enlargement

23:25because

23:25if

23:25the

23:25population

23:26is

23:27against

23:28it

23:28for

23:29this

23:29reason

23:29what

23:31do

23:31we

23:31do

23:31yeah

23:31probably

23:32it

23:32is

23:32probably

23:33it

23:33is

23:33part

23:33of

23:33the

23:34issue

23:34because

23:35people

23:36and

23:36citizens

23:37are

23:37scared

23:37within

23:38a

23:38scarcity

23:39period

23:40as

23:40today

23:40economy

23:41are

23:41not

23:42growing

23:42in

23:42Europe

23:43actually

23:43most

23:43of

23:43European

23:44countries

23:44economy

23:45are

23:45stagnating

23:46wage

23:46are

23:46not

23:46increasing

23:47inflation

23:47is

23:48taking

23:49purchasing

23:49power

23:50and

23:50then

23:51citizens

23:51think

23:52wrongly

23:52I would

23:53say

23:53but

23:53actually

23:53we need

23:54to

23:54explain

23:54that

23:55is

23:55not

23:55the

23:56case

23:56that

23:57migration

23:58may be

23:58an

23:58opportunity

23:59as far

23:59as

24:00legal

24:00migration

24:01we are

24:01thinking

24:02and

24:02as far

24:02as

24:05the

24:05opportunity

24:06of

24:07job

24:07are

24:07there

24:07look

24:09there

24:09is

24:09a

24:10demographic

24:10issue

24:11in

24:12Europe

24:12in

24:13Italy

24:13as well

24:14as most

24:14of

24:14European

24:14countries

24:15in

24:15Italy

24:15fertility

24:16rate

24:16is

24:161,1

24:17we

24:18actually

24:19have

24:19challenged

24:20our

24:20pension

24:21system

24:21because

24:21in

24:22most

24:22of

24:22European

24:22Union

24:23the

24:23pension

24:23system

24:23rely

24:24on

24:24the

24:24number

24:25of

24:25workers

24:25working

24:26working

24:27not

24:27only

24:27with

24:27artificial

24:28intelligence

24:28doing

24:29the

24:29smart

24:29things

24:30but

24:30working

24:30as

24:31well

24:31in

24:31manufacture

24:32in

24:32building

24:33construction

24:33in

24:34agriculture

24:34and

24:35nobody

24:35today

24:36of

24:36European

24:37cities

24:37and

24:37mostly

24:37cases

24:38would

24:38like

24:39to

24:39do

24:39this

24:40job

24:40so

24:40there

24:40is

24:40a

24:41demand

24:41of

24:41labor

24:42which

24:42is

24:42as

24:42well

24:43a

24:43need

24:44for

24:45more

24:45for

24:45migration

24:46which

24:46is

24:46legally

24:47integrated

24:47I

24:48think

24:48that

24:49if

24:49we

24:49explain

24:49to

24:50citizens

24:50the

24:51need

24:51for

24:51migration

24:52as

24:52far

24:52as

24:53demand

24:53of

24:53labor

24:53is

24:54concerned

24:54then

24:55we

24:55can

24:55let

24:56them

24:56accept

24:58migration

25:00as

25:00part

25:00of

25:00a

25:00deal

25:01within

25:01the

25:01European

25:02Union

25:02Italy

25:03has

25:03been

25:03a

25:03country

25:04of

25:04huge

25:05migration

25:05from

25:06south

25:06of

25:06Europe

25:07to

25:08north

25:09of

25:09Europe

25:09within

25:10the

25:10European

25:10Union

25:10this

25:11was

25:11a

25:11resource

25:11so

25:12if

25:12we

25:12look

25:13at

25:13the

25:13issue

25:14in

25:14this

25:14sense

25:15but

25:15then

25:15you

25:15see

25:16we

25:16are

25:16not

25:16speaking

25:16about

25:17defense

25:17we

25:17are

25:17speaking

25:18about

25:18social

25:19issue

25:19labor

25:20market

25:20issue

25:21we

25:21are

25:21speaking

25:22about

25:22opportunity

25:22demand

25:23of

25:23labor

25:24and

25:24not

25:24about

25:25an

25:30okay

25:32that

25:32will

25:32close

25:33this

25:33round

25:33thank

25:34you

25:34so

25:34much

25:34and

25:35now

25:35it's

25:35time

25:36to

25:36move

25:37on

25:37to

25:37our

25:37fifth

25:38and

25:38last

25:38round

25:42and

25:43here

25:43I'm

25:43going

25:44to

25:44ask

25:44you

25:44a

25:44set

25:44of

25:44questions

25:45to

25:45which

25:45you

25:45can

25:46only

25:46answer

25:46yes

25:47or

25:48no

25:48okay

25:49yeah

25:50yes

25:51good

25:52we

25:52start

25:53with

25:53you

25:53is

25:54a

25:55bigger

25:55EU

25:55a

25:56necessarily

25:57stronger

25:58EU

25:58yes

25:59well

26:00yes

26:01okay

26:02should

26:02there

26:03be

26:03a

26:03reform

26:03of

26:03the

26:04treaties

26:04before

26:05further

26:05enlargement

26:06yes

26:07no

26:08okay

26:09should

26:10Ukraine

26:11be

26:11an EU

26:11member

26:12before

26:122030

26:13if

26:14merit

26:15paced

26:16if it

26:16fits

26:17the

26:17conditions

26:18conditional

26:19yes

26:19conditional

26:19yes

26:20well

26:22we

26:22need

26:22to

26:22change

26:23first

26:23the

26:23treaty

26:24the

26:24institutional

26:26reform

26:26we need

26:27to

26:27change

26:28so

26:28that's

26:29there

26:29are

26:29some

26:29conditional

26:30it

26:30okay

26:31should

26:31we

26:31end

26:32the

26:32national

26:32veto

26:32on

26:33enlargement

26:33in

26:33general

26:34no

26:35no

26:36no

26:37no

26:37okay

26:38can

26:39Serbia

26:39join

26:39without

26:40abandoning

26:40its

26:40ties

26:41to

26:41Russia

26:42if

26:44Serbia

26:46fulfills

26:47the

26:47requirements

26:48then

26:48yes

26:50if

26:50we

26:50are

26:51speaking

26:51about

26:51cultural

26:52links

26:53no

26:53I

26:53don't

26:54care

26:54if

26:55we

26:55are

26:55speaking

26:55about

26:56political

26:56or

26:56defense

26:57link

26:57well

26:57this

26:58is

26:59not

26:59okay

27:00then

27:01has

27:01enlargement

27:01become

27:02a test

27:02of

27:02Europe's

27:03geopolitical

27:04credibility

27:04it

27:05has

27:05always

27:05been

27:06yeah

27:06okay

27:07thank

27:08you

27:08very

27:08much

27:09that

27:09brings

27:09us

27:10to

27:10the

27:10end

27:10of

27:10this

27:11edition

27:11of

27:11the

27:11ring

27:12thanks

27:13again

27:13to

27:13Pascuale

27:14and

27:14Rio

27:14for

27:15a

27:15lively

27:16conversation

27:16here

27:17from

27:17the

27:17European

27:17Enlargement

27:18Summit

27:19thanks

27:20to

27:20your

27:20audience

27:21here

27:21at

27:21home

27:21if

27:21you

27:22like

27:22you

27:22can

27:22continue

27:23the

27:23conversation

27:23by

27:24sending

27:24us

27:25your

27:25comments

27:26to

27:26the

27:26ring

27:26at

27:27euronews.com

27:28we love

27:29to have

27:29your

27:29feedback

27:30that's

27:31it

27:31for

27:31this

27:32edition

27:32I'm

27:33Sheldon

27:33Gober

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27:33care

27:34and

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27:34you

27:34soon

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