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- Ángeles y Demonios: Un equipo de Cuarto Milenio se ha desplazado a Ginebra y a Roma con el equipo de la película para visitar in situ algunas de las localizaciones que aparecen en el film como el acelerador de partículas o el Vaticano. 'Illuminati', 'Conspiraciones Vaticanas' y el 'Fin del Mundo' se mezclan en esta controvertida obra de Dan Brown. Para muchos el polémico novelista se basa en sucesos reales, oscuras sociedades que mueven los hilos de la Humanidad desde las sombras. El periodista científico José Manuel Nieves analizará el funcionamiento del famoso CERN (acelerador de partículas) y la viabilidad de lo que expone Brown en su obra. Además el escritor y periodista Javier Sierra y el sacerdote Jesús López Sáez hablarán sobre qué hay de cierto en la leyenda de los Illuminati.   - Chinchorro, las momias más antiguas del Mundo: Iker Jiménez y Carmen Porter se han desplazado a Chile al Museo Arqueológico de San Miguel de Azapa para grabar un auténtico tesoro arqueológico: las momias artificiales más antiguas del Mundo. La primitiva cultura Chinchorro llevaba acabo este espectacular proceso de momificación que será reproducido de la mano del Doctor en Antropología Miguel Botella en el plató de la 'Nave del Misterio'.   - Diarios del Miedo: La Santa Compaña: Un sobrecogedor relato basado en un caso real que dejó marcados a sus protagonistas. Ánimas, muertes, purgatorios y una oscura tradición serán analizadas por el director del área cultural del Corte Inglés Ramón Pernas, el editor Sebastián Vázquez y el antropólogo José Luis Cardero.

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00:00:26Multidimensionality

00:00:30The crowd gathers in St. Peter's Square for the conclave

00:00:32Tonight, in Vatican City, an ancient ritual takes place

00:00:40The new Pope has not yet been elected.

00:00:42Black smoke continues to rise from the chimney of the Sistine Chapel

00:00:45The whole world is watching and waiting

00:00:53And therefore, it's the ideal time to carry out our revenge.

00:01:07The Illuminati

00:01:20Good evening and welcome to The Mystery Ship

00:01:22The film adaptation of Dan Brown's bestseller Angels & Demons is here

00:01:27And that deserves a special mention.

00:01:28With a double debate

00:01:30Science and religion

00:01:32We have been to perhaps the most important scientific site of the century.

00:01:37CERN

00:01:38The place where they will attempt, on a physical level, to observe the beginning of the entire universe

00:01:45Physicists are investigating in search of a particle called the Higgs boson

00:01:51To put it simply

00:01:53The starting point of everything we know

00:01:57Many say that he is God.

00:01:58And I'm imagining the photograph if that particle can even be seen.

00:02:02On the covers of books and newspapers saying

00:02:05This is God

00:02:06This obviously directly challenges faith

00:02:10And to rigorous knowledge

00:02:12Is there a place, a threshold where both worlds coexist?

00:02:16We'll try to decipher it tonight.

00:02:19I invite you to stay for this debate

00:02:21But first, the data, the images

00:02:22Our colleague Luis Álvarez was in that underground tunnel

00:02:2627 kilometers of machinery

00:02:29Technology that is almost impossible for the average person

00:02:31Where they say that soon we will see the beginning of all reality

00:02:36The challenge is wonderful.

00:02:38Let's begin

00:02:40This is a historic moment for humanity

00:02:42We find ourselves right on the border between France and Switzerland.

00:02:46At the LHC, the largest particle accelerator ever built by man

00:02:51In a few months

00:02:53Scientists will be working in this 27-kilometer ring at a depth of 100 meters.

00:02:59To recreate the origin of the universe, the Big Bang

00:03:02Exactly one second later

00:03:04The question is whether the Vatican will once again weigh in on this issue.

00:03:09And especially if humanity is ready to contemplate the face of God for the first time

00:03:16It is known as the Cathedral of Science

00:03:18It is the most advanced scientific complex in the world

00:03:22The most powerful atomic microscope ever built

00:03:26The particle accelerator

00:03:28It was the setting for the filming of the new movie based on this novel by Dan Brown.

00:03:33Like The Da Vinci Code, it is expected to spark controversy within the church.

00:03:38Although this time, also in the scientific world

00:03:50It's not a new theory

00:03:52The God particle is something that has been proposed since the 1960s.

00:03:56It plays a fundamental role in every small, successful prediction from our experiments.

00:04:01So it seems to work, except for the fact that we haven't seen it yet.

00:04:05Even though we sense that it's there

00:04:07And this is worrying, because if we don't find the God particle...

00:04:11We will not understand the masses

00:04:12And then our entire theory would be wrong.

00:04:15Therefore, our understanding of the universe is also wrong.

00:04:19It's a pretty serious problem

00:04:20Because it would mean we're on the wrong track

00:04:23About how the universe has evolved

00:04:25And what is it that makes everything interconnected at the smallest levels?

00:04:30That's why it's essential to find it

00:04:32John Paul II was here in 1981

00:04:35And he was pleased with the research we were conducting.

00:04:38During the visit, when we were explaining the procedure to him

00:04:41To create antibacterial particles, he said

00:04:43Please wait a moment

00:04:44Not creating particles, at most producing

00:04:47Creating is a task reserved exclusively for God.

00:04:50In any case, His Holiness agreed with our experimentation on the Big Bang

00:04:55And the biblical passage of creation

00:04:57He said that these things are perfectly compatible according to the Catholic Church's approach.

00:05:02Although he might not have entirely agreed

00:05:04If we were to try to recreate the moment prior to creation

00:05:07This is from the point of view of the Catholic Church.

00:05:10It is the kingdom of God

00:05:11From there God created the universe

00:05:14We're not entirely sure about that.

00:05:16But I certainly believe there is room for God

00:05:18In the first trillions of seconds in which the universe was designed

00:05:24Here, at the CERN laboratory

00:05:27The pieces are assembled

00:05:28They are precisely controlled

00:05:30One hundred meters further down

00:05:32The particles are moving at almost the speed of light

00:05:35The operators

00:05:37They know that any mistake

00:05:38It could destroy the machine in an instant.

00:05:41Last September

00:05:43A failure melted part of its structure

00:05:45In a few months

00:05:47It will be restarted to recreate the birth of the universe

00:05:52Some conservative sectors and media outlets

00:05:55They are concerned about the possible consequences

00:05:58And to the figures that make us dizzy

00:06:00A mechanical failure

00:06:01It has caused a leak of...

00:06:02Large Collider

00:06:03Its construction has been a huge success.

00:06:04It is undoubtedly

00:06:05One of the biggest

00:06:06These enormous machines

00:06:07At the corner of the Big Bang

00:06:10Don't worry

00:06:11It is very safe

00:06:12We believe that...

00:06:13Sorry, this sounds incorrect

00:06:15We know with absolute certainty

00:06:17We're not going to create dangerous black holes.

00:06:19And we know this because, despite the LHC

00:06:22It is the most powerful accelerator

00:06:24Never built

00:06:25The energy we use

00:06:27It is smaller than the one that surrounds us in the universe all the time.

00:06:30High-energy particles from space

00:06:32They collide with our atmosphere daily

00:06:34Generating small black holes

00:06:36If the LHC generated black holes

00:06:39They would be the same ones that have been created

00:06:40Throughout history on the planet

00:06:44Life goes on peacefully through the streets of Geneva

00:06:47Despite being just a few kilometers from the banking capital of the world

00:06:51In addition to a Big Bang on a smaller scale

00:06:54In parallel, another experiment is being developed

00:06:56The most destructive weapon ever known to man

00:07:00Antimatter

00:07:05Coinciding with the experiment

00:07:06Hollywood has once again developed a gripping thriller

00:07:10In which the church finds itself on the ropes

00:07:12Within the Vatican

00:07:14An ancient revenge, born in the time of Galileo, is brewing.

00:07:18The Illuminati

00:07:20On this occasion

00:07:21Dr. Landon

00:07:23He faces a puzzle of murders and archaic symbols

00:07:26They will take him through the streets of Rome

00:07:29The Vatican Archives

00:07:30And the Geneva laboratory

00:07:32Meanwhile

00:07:34At CERN

00:07:35They are creating a new religion

00:07:37Particle physics

00:07:39Tell me, do you believe in God?

00:07:43I am a spiritual person

00:07:44I am interested in mysteries above all else.

00:07:47I go to church

00:07:48Not all the time

00:07:49But when I can

00:07:50Every time I go

00:07:51I make good reflections

00:07:52I like going to church

00:07:54And sit in silence

00:07:55To meditate on those things

00:07:56They are a mystery to me.

00:07:57The wisdom of all things

00:07:59The internal struggle

00:08:00That we all carry within us.

00:08:03I am not a religious person.

00:08:05But I believe in a kind of global order

00:08:08God

00:08:08If you want to call it that

00:08:10A reason for anything

00:08:12Let's just say I'm a person of beliefs.

00:08:17In the time of Galileo

00:08:19The limits of human consciousness

00:08:21It expanded with the scientific paradigm it proposed

00:08:24He miraculously escaped the bonfire

00:08:27Next fall

00:08:28Once again, the limits of scientific knowledge

00:08:31They will expand with the appearance of the elusive God particle

00:08:35Otherwise

00:08:36Particle physics

00:08:38It will set us back a few decades.

00:08:40I think that science often

00:08:43He has defied the church

00:08:44Religion is guided by principles.

00:08:47That the truth cannot contradict

00:08:49Science cannot ultimately contradict religion

00:08:52But sometimes

00:08:53Due to scientific discoveries

00:08:56She is challenged to formulate an interpretation

00:08:58That it be applicable to his doctrine

00:09:00For example

00:09:01If one looks at the creation story

00:09:03The Genesis

00:09:04For centuries it could not be refuted

00:09:06And with the discoveries in geology

00:09:09Which proved that planet Earth

00:09:10It is much older than previously thought.

00:09:13The church, at the end

00:09:14He has had to reformulate his theory

00:09:17On the processes of creation

00:09:18Both this and what will come

00:09:21It is something that the church

00:09:22He is perfectly aware

00:09:25Cuarto Milenio had access to an exclusive press pass

00:09:28One more time

00:09:30The duo of Dan Brown and Ron Howard

00:09:33It raises a scandalous but intelligent reflection

00:09:36In the form of fiction

00:09:38Angels and demons

00:09:40He speaks of a blow to the foundations of the system

00:09:42As we understand it today

00:09:46Dan Brown challenges people to ask themselves

00:09:49To question things

00:09:51Not accepting dogma just because

00:09:54He invites the audience to use their own intelligence

00:09:58To observe the world we live in

00:10:00And to understand what you believe in

00:10:03And this doesn't mean that one should believe in something different.

00:10:07But he asks people to use their intelligence

00:10:12Throughout history there have been certain books

00:10:15They broke the molds of their time

00:10:17Which they predicted with alchemist precision

00:10:21What was to come

00:10:23This might be one of them

00:10:25Or maybe not

00:10:55I quote

00:10:57To Tom Hanks

00:10:58Star of this film

00:10:59Which promises to be of great impact

00:11:01I'm interested in mysteries.

00:11:03Above all else

00:11:04We liked that.

00:11:05That's been good.

00:11:06Luis Álvarez interviewed him there

00:11:08Luis, good evening

00:11:09Good evening, Iker

00:11:10The whole setup is curious.

00:11:12Everything that is happening

00:11:14Everything that's happening

00:11:15And above all

00:11:15Were you impressed by that place where they say that

00:11:17Are we almost going to see the beginning of it all?

00:11:20Of course

00:11:21Because it's a ring

00:11:22From 27 kilometers to 100 meters deep

00:11:25On the border between Geneva and France

00:11:28And because you notice things in your head

00:11:30This is something curious.

00:11:31It's such a powerful magnet

00:11:32What do you notice in your head?

00:11:33A pain

00:11:34A pressure

00:11:35When you ask the technicians

00:11:37They tell you

00:11:37Which is normal

00:11:39That is, we are dealing with the magnet.

00:11:40Bigger

00:11:41Never built

00:11:41That it will put two particles

00:11:43In motion

00:11:44At speed

00:11:45From the light

00:11:46Almost

00:11:46And it will make them collide.

00:11:47At this speed

00:11:48To try to recreate

00:11:50One second

00:11:50After

00:11:51A little before

00:11:52What is the Big Bang?

00:11:53The origin of the universe

00:11:55In anything

00:11:56The facilities are amazing.

00:11:57Because we have

00:11:58Elements of science fiction

00:11:59For example

00:12:00Those meters

00:12:01What we have seen

00:12:02Sometimes

00:12:02In the movies

00:12:03The ones you don't go into

00:12:04If one of light

00:12:05It doesn't measure your retina

00:12:06And that kind of thing

00:12:07So it's a privilege

00:12:08To be there

00:12:08Being in Geneva

00:12:09In this cathedral

00:12:10They have called science

00:12:11From the 21st century

00:12:12Before the birth

00:12:13Of a new religion

00:12:14Well

00:12:14Let's try to understand

00:12:15Some concepts

00:12:16Of everything that's happening

00:12:17And as I was saying

00:12:18This debate

00:12:18It has two aspects

00:12:19Science and religion

00:12:21He'll be in both.

00:12:22Our colleague Javier Sierra

00:12:23Javier, good evening.

00:12:24Good evening Iker

00:12:25Welcome

00:12:25It had been a while since you were here

00:12:26Nothing mysterious about it

00:12:27It's a pleasure

00:12:27Never a truer word spoken

00:12:28The ship thing

00:12:29Because here there are all kinds

00:12:30Travel

00:12:32Fantastic

00:12:32But we're there

00:12:33On the threshold

00:12:34And I'm going to ask him

00:12:35A very special effort

00:12:36Because I know it's extremely difficult

00:12:38To our colleague

00:12:39José Manuel Nieves

00:12:40Director of Science and Technology

00:12:41From ABC

00:12:41And advisor

00:12:42Unscientific

00:12:43From our program

00:12:44Good evening, José Manuel.

00:12:45Good night

00:12:46It's a very complex issue

00:12:47And how could we do it?

00:12:49Almost in the headlines

00:12:49So that everyone understands

00:12:51Perhaps what is most striking

00:12:52That's why we want to get there

00:12:54At the beginning of the universe

00:12:56And perhaps also

00:12:57What is that God particle?

00:12:59That name already leaves us

00:13:00They looked somewhat astonished

00:13:01We could tell it briefly.

00:13:02It's very simple.

00:13:03Throughout this entire century

00:13:05Throughout the entire history of physics

00:13:06Understanding

00:13:07Of the particles

00:13:08And what they do

00:13:09It has led us

00:13:10To world domination

00:13:11It has led us

00:13:11With electrical power

00:13:12It has led us

00:13:13With magnetic force

00:13:14With nuclear force

00:13:15Just imagine if right now

00:13:16We turned off the light

00:13:16And that's it.

00:13:17I mean

00:13:17If electricity didn't exist

00:13:19Well, that's a particle.

00:13:20They are called electrons

00:13:21And that they were found

00:13:22In an accelerator

00:13:24And that were proven

00:13:25In similar experiments

00:13:26Although minors

00:13:27To this

00:13:28We are in the whole family

00:13:30Of particles

00:13:30We are trying to explain

00:13:32The most difficult ones

00:13:33The most complicated ones

00:13:34And perhaps the most complicated

00:13:36Of all

00:13:36Let it be precisely

00:13:37This Higgs boson

00:13:38They call it

00:13:38The God Particle

00:13:40Complicated

00:13:41Because inside

00:13:42In its structure

00:13:43Enclose

00:13:44The answer

00:13:44From the dough

00:13:45Of all other particles

00:13:47And therefore

00:13:48It would be the key particle

00:13:49The Great Leap

00:13:50It's the key

00:13:50The key that locks

00:13:52In our understanding

00:13:53About how it is structured

00:13:55The universe

00:13:55And when we have it there

00:13:57Or when we can see her

00:13:58We've seen many strange images

00:13:59That the first

00:14:00I don't understand

00:14:01I imagine many of you don't either.

00:14:02And that's why we want to do it

00:14:03Very educational

00:14:05We will understand

00:14:06The beginning of everything

00:14:08A new physics opens up

00:14:09From that moment on

00:14:10A new physics opens up

00:14:11And that new physics

00:14:12Realize that

00:14:14Throughout history

00:14:16From physics

00:14:17Of this century

00:14:18They're gone

00:14:19Little by little

00:14:20Battling with subatomic particles

00:14:22And unraveling

00:14:23The secrets

00:14:24About electricity

00:14:25About magnetism

00:14:26Of nuclear force

00:14:28From radioactivity

00:14:29These are things that

00:14:30They are commonplace

00:14:31We have them there

00:14:31But each one of them

00:14:33Respond to the action

00:14:34Of one or more particles

00:14:35But those same particles

00:14:38And all the others

00:14:38Those that make us you

00:14:39Me

00:14:39To this glass

00:14:40Or anyone

00:14:42They need the Higgs boson

00:14:43To be the way they are

00:14:45Problem

00:14:45The Higgs boson

00:14:46It has not yet been detected

00:14:47We haven't seen it

00:14:48Did he see that Higgs boson, or was he wrong?

00:14:50Reason

00:14:50The Higgs boson

00:14:52It was only visible

00:14:54Let's say

00:14:54Or it manifested

00:14:55In the first moments

00:14:57From the Big Bang

00:14:57With a temperature

00:14:58Billions of degrees

00:15:00And under certain conditions

00:15:01That the universe

00:15:02He has not met again

00:15:03In the last 13.7 billion years

00:15:06Now the LHC

00:15:07It will recreate

00:15:08Those conditions

00:15:08And it is expected

00:15:10That we can see

00:15:11To the Higgs boson

00:15:12In the heat of the action

00:15:13Well, thank you very much.

00:15:14José Manuel

00:15:15This concrete

00:15:16Because I know we can

00:15:17Explain it in many ways

00:15:18But so that the entire audience

00:15:19I understand.

00:15:20And now we're going to debate

00:15:21I mean

00:15:21We are on the threshold

00:15:22About something that

00:15:23It would be science fiction

00:15:24It does nothing

00:15:25People may wonder this

00:15:27And then we'll ask him.

00:15:28To Jesús López Sáez

00:15:29The priest and writer

00:15:30That he's going to be there with us

00:15:31Would that be God?

00:15:32At a scientific level?

00:15:33That thing

00:15:34From which is born

00:15:35All

00:15:35That expanding universe

00:15:37It seems to be moving further away.

00:15:38It originates from a principle

00:15:39That would be equal to God

00:15:40The creator

00:15:41Well, we would be

00:15:42Let's say applying

00:15:43A biological simile

00:15:45A bit forced

00:15:45But we would be talking

00:15:46Almost from the stem cell

00:15:47From the universe

00:15:48That is to say

00:15:49Starting from that Higgs boson

00:15:51Of that particle

00:15:53Matter would be born

00:15:54From the universe

00:15:54That is to say

00:15:55Everything would come from there

00:15:55Not only the matter

00:15:57What we see

00:15:57But also

00:15:58The matter we cannot see

00:15:59There is a great mystery

00:16:00Which they also face

00:16:01All these investigations

00:16:03What is dark matter?

00:16:04And dark energy

00:16:06That do not conform

00:16:07A residual part

00:16:08Of what we see

00:16:09Actually

00:16:1080%

00:16:11At least

00:16:12From what surrounds us

00:16:14It is dark energy and dark matter

00:16:1580%

00:16:17We've never seen it.

00:16:18We have never detected it.

00:16:19We've never weighed it.

00:16:20And yet

00:16:22We know that it exists

00:16:23It has to exist

00:16:24Somehow

00:16:25How is this possible?

00:16:26That there are people

00:16:26Let it be clearly understood

00:16:27That he doesn't believe

00:16:28Many phenomena

00:16:29Or unknown things

00:16:32When everything fundamental

00:16:34It is almost unknown

00:16:35Well

00:16:36It is territory

00:16:37It is terra incognita

00:16:38What did our ancestors say?

00:16:39Perhaps the beautiful

00:16:40From these investigations

00:16:41From the LHC

00:16:43From the Geneva accelerator

00:16:44They're bringing us closer.

00:16:46On the edge

00:16:47Of the known universe

00:16:48But be careful

00:16:49Let's not get to the point of thinking

00:16:51That's what they are

00:16:51Scientists formulating

00:16:53In that place

00:16:53It is an altruistic project

00:16:56To find out

00:16:57Whether it exists or not

00:16:58God

00:16:58They don't consider that.

00:16:59We're talking

00:17:00Something

00:17:00If we see it

00:17:02With more perspective

00:17:03It is much more revolutionary

00:17:05If we

00:17:05We came to discover

00:17:07The features

00:17:08Of that particle

00:17:10The cell

00:17:10Mother of the universe

00:17:11From which it has emerged

00:17:12All matter

00:17:13And energy

00:17:13That we know

00:17:15Imagine if we could

00:17:16Track

00:17:16The consequences

00:17:17Of that particle

00:17:18And catching particles

00:17:20From here and there

00:17:21We can generate

00:17:21For example

00:17:22Infinite energy

00:17:23What are we looking for?

00:17:24Or any other type

00:17:25Made of material

00:17:25Exact

00:17:26Because any kind

00:17:27Made of material

00:17:28From paper

00:17:28Even gold

00:17:29To uranium

00:17:30Or whatever you want

00:17:30The only difference

00:17:31What lies between them

00:17:32It is the number of protons

00:17:33And neutrons

00:17:34What lies at its core

00:17:34That is to say

00:17:35Problems such as

00:17:36Send a spaceship

00:17:37To Mars

00:17:38May He create us today

00:17:39A major energy conflict

00:17:41We don't have

00:17:41A spaceship

00:17:43With some delays

00:17:44Fuel tanks

00:17:45Big enough

00:17:46To carry a ship

00:17:47Manned mission to Mars

00:17:48They would end

00:17:49Because we would get

00:17:50Energy

00:17:51Out of nowhere

00:17:52I mean

00:17:53Out of nowhere

00:17:53In quotation marks

00:17:54From the universe itself

00:17:55So actually

00:17:56We are facing

00:17:57To a revolution

00:17:58Colossal

00:17:59That Dan Brown himself

00:18:01In his Angels and Demons

00:18:02It barely scrapes

00:18:03Now I'm going to ask you

00:18:04Because of him

00:18:04Because it's clear

00:18:05That Dan Brown thing

00:18:06Excellent

00:18:06Why doesn't he write?

00:18:08By the way

00:18:08Writes

00:18:09Now we will ask ourselves

00:18:10To Javier

00:18:12He touched

00:18:12In a wound

00:18:13Very sensitive

00:18:13Clearly join

00:18:14This that I am now

00:18:15Understanding a little

00:18:16With religion

00:18:17No more, no less

00:18:18By the way

00:18:19Luis

00:18:19There was an accident

00:18:20No?

00:18:20Or something happened

00:18:21Because the opening

00:18:23Of this whole process

00:18:24It was planned

00:18:25Before

00:18:25And suddenly it goes

00:18:26And I think part of it melts down

00:18:28Or something happens

00:18:28Tell us

00:18:57Because I believe

00:18:59Because of a bad connection

00:19:00Because of a bad connection

00:19:01They were telling us there

00:19:01In one of those parts

00:19:02And I think in Atlas

00:19:03Which is where we were.

00:19:04In that great eye

00:19:06Because it looks like a big eye

00:19:07Metal

00:19:07From a few

00:19:08It's not about how many tens of meters

00:19:09It has nine floors

00:19:10Tall

00:19:11Well, there was a bad connection

00:19:13A malfunction

00:19:15From the media

00:19:15Refrigeration

00:19:16And it melted right away.

00:19:18Because of the temperatures

00:19:19As we mentioned earlier

00:19:21That will be achieved

00:19:22What's going to happen?

00:19:23Well, the experiment

00:19:24It has stopped

00:19:25It was a great catastrophe

00:19:26A lot of money has been invested

00:19:27We noted that as well

00:19:28And it will start up again.

00:19:30It is already being implemented

00:19:31So that next fall

00:19:32God willing

00:19:33And we'll see.

00:19:34Because they were talking about this summer

00:19:34But what they confirmed to us there

00:19:36It will be in the fall.

00:19:37They're going to try to max it out.

00:19:39To recreate that explosion

00:19:41And well

00:19:43And to generate that other controversy

00:19:44That too

00:19:45He was hanging around

00:19:46While we were with Hawking

00:19:47That it was about

00:19:48The great black hole

00:19:49That it's going to open

00:19:49That's what I want to ask José Manuel.

00:19:50Well, I was saying

00:19:51God willing

00:19:52Or the particle

00:19:53Or the particle

00:19:55Many people

00:19:57And I speak from popular knowledge.

00:19:59The people who may be watching us

00:20:00We've read headlines that said

00:20:01With this experiment

00:20:03That you have described to us

00:20:04That will change the world

00:20:05And if it goes well

00:20:08And all that is known

00:20:09There are a number of dangers

00:20:11I said

00:20:11They have even been reported

00:20:12There have been private investigators

00:20:13That they have reported

00:20:15And they've talked about black holes.

00:20:17Two or three types have been mentioned

00:20:19Of strange things

00:20:20What could happen there

00:20:21The first one is

00:20:23That black holes would be created

00:20:25Microscopic

00:20:26The theory says

00:20:28That they are unstable

00:20:30That is to say

00:20:31According to how they are created

00:20:32They evaporate

00:20:34Through Hawking radiation

00:20:36Furthermore precisely

00:20:37Which is what proved

00:20:38Stephen Hawking

00:20:40And that would be one of the ways

00:20:41And that's clear.

00:20:42If any of them

00:20:43I managed to become stable

00:20:44It would start sucking matter

00:20:45First, the accelerator would be sucked in.

00:20:46After Geneva

00:20:47Then Switzerland

00:20:48Then the whole earth

00:20:49It would keep growing

00:20:50That's what they say

00:20:52The other way to die

00:20:54Thanks to the LHC

00:20:58It's about creating strange matter.

00:20:59Foreign matter?

00:21:00Foreign matter

00:21:01Then all matter

00:21:03That it is not known what it is

00:21:05Yes, yes, it is known

00:21:07In this case, it is known.

00:21:08Because all matter

00:21:09That is to say

00:21:11The intimate building blocks of matter

00:21:13They're not even protons

00:21:14Not even neutrons

00:21:15But each proton

00:21:16Every tiny particle

00:21:18It is made of three quarks

00:21:20The smallest units

00:21:21What do we have to know?

00:21:22The smallest

00:21:24Then each proton

00:21:25A proton is made up of three quarks

00:21:26But only two types of quarks

00:21:28They call them upstairs and downstairs

00:21:29And then there are more types of quarks

00:21:32That were manifesting

00:21:33In the first moments of the Big Bang

00:21:34They've been given strange names

00:21:36Well, the strange quark

00:21:38The quark

00:21:39Colored quarks

00:21:40There are many types of quarks

00:21:42And then a certain combination

00:21:43Of the quarks

00:21:45Those we know

00:21:47With these others

00:21:48They form a type of matter

00:21:49That's not ours

00:21:50And that some think

00:21:52That would have the capacity

00:21:53A small nucleus of that matter

00:21:55That was created at the LHC

00:21:57It would be able to spread rapidly

00:21:59To normal matter

00:22:00And turn it into strange matter

00:22:02Therefore

00:22:03Well, the whole Earth

00:22:04In a very short time

00:22:05It would eventually become

00:22:06In a jumble of strange matter

00:22:08Oh well

00:22:08This goes beyond

00:22:09Any movie

00:22:10That I have seen in my life

00:22:12That is to say

00:22:12As a result of this experiment

00:22:14A number of things can happen

00:22:16But let's see

00:22:17That's what

00:22:18Some complain

00:22:19Some complain

00:22:20And now

00:22:21Since the year

00:22:23In the year 2003

00:22:24The LHC

00:22:25He did a

00:22:27Brainy

00:22:28And very complete

00:22:29Security report

00:22:30Taking into account

00:22:31All these

00:22:32Theories

00:22:33And all these ideas

00:22:35That they were

00:22:35Some of them

00:22:36Without fully proving it

00:22:37They were simply suggestions.

00:22:39What could happen?

00:22:40If you're not sure

00:22:41Why do you do it?

00:22:43And he dedicated himself

00:22:45To dismantle

00:22:45One by one

00:22:47All these ideas

00:22:48In the year 2008

00:22:49This report

00:22:50It has been updated

00:22:51And not only that

00:22:52It has been updated

00:22:53But it has been

00:22:54Made available

00:22:55Of the main ones

00:22:55Physics laboratories

00:22:56From the world

00:22:58Independent laboratories

00:22:59From CERN

00:23:00So that they would ratify it

00:23:01Or they would say

00:23:02If really

00:23:03There was some danger

00:23:04And there is no danger.

00:23:11And I wonder

00:23:12On a literary level

00:23:13How clever, sir!

00:23:14Dan Brown

00:23:15Which, by the way

00:23:16Dan Brown

00:23:17It's been a long time since he did it.

00:23:18Angels and demons

00:23:19And it's been a long time since he did.

00:23:20The Da Vinci Code

00:23:21And look

00:23:22The mega explosion

00:23:23Never a truer word spoken

00:23:24At a social level

00:23:25Now we're going to talk

00:23:25From that other part

00:23:26What religion implies

00:23:28Mix all of this together

00:23:29With the Illuminati

00:23:30A revenge

00:23:31Against the Church

00:23:33Well

00:23:33And now they're in the running

00:23:34Religion, science

00:23:35Not there

00:23:36Xavier

00:23:36What do we know about Dan Brown

00:23:37As of today?

00:23:37At this exact minute

00:23:39At night

00:23:39Well, at this exact minute

00:23:40At night

00:23:41We know that a date has already been set.

00:23:42Publication

00:23:42In the United States

00:23:43From, let's say, the

00:23:44The new adventure

00:23:45By Robert Landon

00:23:46It will be titled

00:23:47The lost symbol

00:23:48From Lost Symbol

00:23:49And I suppose it goes

00:23:51To contain those things

00:23:53That he said

00:23:53Which was going to include

00:23:55In his novel

00:23:56Let's say, next

00:23:57To whom she had given

00:23:57Another title

00:23:58His name was

00:23:58The Seal of Solomon

00:23:59It actually seems

00:24:00That everything is connected

00:24:01In this new installment

00:24:03With the symbolism

00:24:04From Washington DC

00:24:05And also in some way

00:24:07With the control

00:24:07From nature

00:24:08Closing a trilogy

00:24:09That began

00:24:10Precisely with

00:24:11Angels and demons

00:24:12Let's talk a little bit

00:24:12Why Dan Brown

00:24:14Thread all this

00:24:14With a plot

00:24:15Terrible

00:24:16Stay, Javier.

00:24:16Because you

00:24:17You've investigated a lot

00:24:18In this respect

00:24:19And now they will come

00:24:20New guests

00:24:21José Manuel Luis

00:24:22As usual

00:24:22A pleasure

00:24:23Really

00:24:23Thanks a lot

00:24:24And let people rest easy

00:24:24Nothing's going to happen

00:24:25Okay, we'll leave it at that.

00:24:26Because people

00:24:27Well, now

00:24:28Let's listen

00:24:29A great specialist

00:24:30Alfredo Tiemblo

00:24:31What was

00:24:34President of the Rare Academy

00:24:35From Physics

00:24:35Member of the CSIC

00:24:36And what does that explain to us?

00:24:37Also some things

00:24:39Very interesting

00:24:40Briefly

00:24:40And now we enter

00:24:41In that other aspect

00:24:42Because this story

00:24:43It has two debates

00:24:44Science and religion

00:24:45When one experiences

00:24:46In energy ranges

00:24:47To those who still

00:24:48He has not had access

00:24:49What you will find

00:24:52He doesn't know

00:24:53One knows

00:24:54I repeat

00:24:54What one is looking for

00:24:56But whatever comes out

00:24:57He doesn't know

00:24:58Is it possible that

00:24:59They occur

00:25:00Micro black holes?

00:25:01Well, it's possible.

00:25:03Now then

00:25:05The importance

00:25:06That it might have that

00:25:07With respect to

00:25:08To future catastrophes

00:25:09And so on

00:25:10It's more than debatable.

00:25:19As we were saying

00:25:20Two perspectives

00:25:21Science and religion

00:25:22I just arrived

00:25:23This book

00:25:24John Paul I

00:25:25Open case

00:25:25De Jesús López Saez

00:25:27Good friend of this program

00:25:28And I'm really excited about it.

00:25:29Because I know something

00:25:30It had something to do with it

00:25:30Fourth Millennium

00:25:32Those were nights

00:25:33Absolutely incredible

00:25:35Speaking of a great mystery

00:25:36From the church

00:25:37The death of John Paul I

00:25:39Now we're going to talk

00:25:40Of another mystery

00:25:41From the church

00:25:41Jesus Lopez Saez

00:25:42Friend

00:25:42Welcome

00:25:43Thank you so much

00:25:46I want to ask you

00:25:48One thing

00:25:48Because I am

00:25:49Turning it over in my mind

00:25:49What they were talking about

00:25:50In quotation marks

00:25:51Science experts

00:25:52Is this starting particle

00:25:55From the universe

00:25:55At a scientific level

00:25:56It will be the same

00:25:57That god

00:25:59The one who tells us

00:26:00Religion?

00:26:02I believe

00:26:02I don't think so

00:26:04I think that

00:26:07That

00:26:07In my opinion

00:26:09The mystery

00:26:10God

00:26:11It is transcendent

00:26:12And there will be no

00:26:13What we can

00:26:14It is knowing

00:26:16Better and better

00:26:17The Genesis

00:26:18From the universe

00:26:46From the church

00:26:58Santi Camacho, my friend, good evening.

00:27:00Good evening, Iker.

00:27:01You spoke to us on another of the Summit programs, which the audience followed,

00:27:05because we talk about Illuminati groups, Club Builder, see a lot of things,

00:27:09And we had journalists talking about his influence today.

00:27:12Let's summarize it, okay? So that everyone understands.

00:27:16With all this in the background, Dan Brown establishes an exploration almost of the scientific god,

00:27:22an old vendetta against the Catholic Church.

00:27:24What is this revenge? Who are the ones provoking this kind of great battle that is now unfolding?

00:27:30Well, the bad guys, in quotes, of this Dan Brown novel, are the Illuminati.

00:27:35They are a special kind of Illuminati, because, let's say, Dan Brown traces their origins back to the Renaissance.

00:27:41long before its historical origin, in 1776, when Adam Weishaupt, a former Jesuit, curiously,

00:27:49He organizes a secret society called The Illuminati of Bavaria.

00:27:53Weishaupt portrays that society as a focus, above all, of anticlericalism.

00:28:00Weishaupt believes that the Catholic Church is the source of all superstition.

00:28:05the focus of all backwardness, the focus of all the negative aspects of Western society.

00:28:10And one of their basic purposes in setting up these Illuminati is to completely eradicate

00:28:18Religion as an idea and the Catholic Church very specifically.

00:28:23Weishaupt thought that the best way to get rid of that enemy was to infiltrate him anyway.

00:28:28And that's the idea that Dan Brown takes as his central theme: that there's an Illuminati infiltration in the

00:28:35Vatican at the highest level.

00:28:37To blow it up from the inside.

00:28:38Indeed. Weishaupt in his writings already, in fact, that is to say, in the time of the official Illuminati,

00:28:44before they disappeared or went underground, according to conspiracy theories,

00:28:51He already boasted that important clergymen were already working under his orders.

00:28:57Therefore, it is not so much a myth, but something that the founder of the Illuminati himself described.

00:29:01He already boasted in his own handwriting at the time.

00:29:04And that really happened. We'll see in the debate.

00:29:07Jesús López Záez is a writer and a priest.

00:29:10And she doesn't mince words when denouncing certain things, great enigmas.

00:29:16The Illuminati exist, they are not a myth; many people believe they are a myth, now picked up for other interests.

00:29:22Are they really inside the Catholic Church?

00:29:25Well, while researching the topic of John Paul I, I came across the issue of Freemasonry.

00:29:38And also a type of Freemasonry, because I think we need to clarify.

00:29:42It is important to clarify, to speak of Freemasonry in general is to speak of an association,

00:29:51Ultimately, it has to do with the right of assembly, with the freedom of the citizen.

00:29:58It's another matter whether certain Masonic forms, certain lodges,

00:30:03especially the covers, which are...

00:30:08What does that mean? That they don't know each other? That they're truly secret?

00:30:11Yes, that is precisely one of the aspects that John Paul I encountered.

00:30:18According to all available information, this infiltration into the Vatican occurred around the 1970s.

00:30:28And John Paul I was aware of it.

00:30:31And when one of his decisions is, on the one hand, to dismiss Marcinkus, president of Leo,

00:30:38because it is the Vatican Bank.

00:30:42And on the other hand, to confront Freemasonry and the Mafia.

00:30:47He was putting his finger on the sore spot.

00:30:51Jesus, then, John Paul I, what do you think?

00:30:54Could he be a victim of this Masonic infiltration that might have something to do with those famous Illuminati?

00:31:00Yes, yes, indeed, although it may be surprising.

00:31:04Surprisingly, these are facts...

00:31:08In other words, no matter what is said to the Freemasons, the Masonic principle,

00:31:13that everything visible is hidden and everything hidden is visible,

00:31:17because it has a little bit to do with both.

00:31:20As surprising as it may seem, an infiltration has indeed taken place.

00:31:26in the 70s, which surely continues, yes.

00:31:31And today? That is, if John Paul I, the smiling pope,

00:31:35the pope who seemed like he was going to change everything,

00:31:37who dared to confront great evils that he saw as real,

00:31:41perished as he perished,

00:31:42What happened next?

00:31:44Has there been no attempt to stop these infiltrations?

00:31:46I believe it still exists.

00:31:50But it is either not visible or hidden, but it still exists.

00:31:55The thing is, it's easier to talk about the 70s and 80s.

00:31:58and include names and surnames,

00:32:00because there is nothing hidden that will not be revealed,

00:32:04what the Gospel says.

00:32:07For example, first and last names.

00:32:09The dome of Propaganda Lodge No. 2 is a covered, enclosed lodge.

00:32:17That is, illegal, because in 1982 Italian law dissolved all covered lodges.

00:32:31What are the covered lodges?

00:32:33Well, they're secret.

00:32:35They have a file; the militants have a file in code that only the grand master of the lodge knows.

00:32:44For example, Lichoyerli.

00:32:46They are militants who declare themselves in the ear, at the beck and call of the great master of Lichoyerli.

00:32:57We include names and surnames.

00:32:58They also have their codes, all that stuff that was being talked about, to recognize each other.

00:33:01Yes, yes, yes.

00:33:01The lists, all the lists that were discovered in 1981,

00:33:06the lists of the propaganda lodge 2,

00:33:07Moreover, since this was an earthquake, it caused the fall of the Italian government at that time,

00:33:13Then came the assassination attempt against John Paul II,

00:33:18We're talking about the year '81, because there's a moment,

00:33:23in March, on March 17, 1981,

00:33:29They enter Lichoyerli's offices,

00:33:33The police conduct a search and find the lists of the Masonic lodge propaganda 2,

00:33:40which is precisely what John Paul I said,

00:33:44covered lodge, covered lodge,

00:33:48But here now, putting the name, propaganda 2.

00:33:53But what are you trying to achieve, Santi, Jesús, Javier?

00:33:55Let's see, if there is an infiltration today

00:33:57which comes in some way from this, let's put it that way,

00:34:04command that attempts to end the power of the Church,

00:34:07who has infiltrated the Vatican,

00:34:09What are they doing today, in 2009?

00:34:11In other words, how are they attacking? What is their role?

00:34:14It's very simple, there are very few governments in the world.

00:34:19and one of them is the Vatican,

00:34:21that not only has influence over its territory,

00:34:24which is ultimately like a postage stamp in the vastness of the planet,

00:34:27but it has influence in many countries.

00:34:30In other words, controlling the Vatican means,

00:34:32Let's simplify it so that everyone can understand it.

00:34:36This means having a headquarters in each neighborhood,

00:34:40which would be the churches with their priests,

00:34:42to have a commander-in-chief in each bishopric,

00:34:45to have a general or a group of generals who meet

00:34:48in the episcopal conference of each Catholic country.

00:34:52It is very important.

00:34:53To dominate the Church means to exert influence.

00:34:56about many people who profess to be believers,

00:34:58And among those people there are many rulers.

00:35:01We're not talking about just any state,

00:35:03And that, obviously, well,

00:35:05Dan Brown, who comes from the Protestant side, let's say,

00:35:08he realizes it.

00:35:09The Protestant Church does not have this paraphernalia,

00:35:11or this building that the Catholic Church has,

00:35:14And Protestants have always had a bit of visceral fear.

00:35:19towards the control that the Vatican has exerted over many countries.

00:35:23But that battle, many people will wonder, Santi,

00:35:25that battle of the Illuminati, if they are still Illuminati,

00:35:29I don't know if they're still like that or not.

00:35:31How are they carrying out the work?

00:35:33How do they want to harm the Church from within?

00:35:35In what ways are we seeing that the Church is being harmed?

00:35:37I think Javier has hit the nail on the head.

00:35:42I believe that if that infiltration had occurred

00:35:44They wouldn't want to do so much damage to the Church

00:35:47how to use it for your own purposes.

00:35:50In the mid-90s, I think it was in '96,

00:35:54a group of priests, and it seems they were high-ranking,

00:35:57in the Vatican, who wrote collectively

00:36:01under the pseudonym of disciples of the truth,

00:36:03They published a very curious book called

00:36:06Via Colvento in the Vatican, which I don't remember

00:36:07how it was translated into Spanish.

00:36:10Silenarios, if I remember correctly.

00:36:11Yes, maybe.

00:36:13In which he...

00:36:18They painted a picture of open civil war.

00:36:21within the Vatican between two factions.

00:36:23A secret war, between two equally secret sides

00:36:26and that nothing came out.

00:36:27And those factions would be the Freemasons, the Freemasons of the Vatican.

00:36:32These people gave names; it was a very well-documented book.

00:36:35which curiously caused a huge scandal in Italy,

00:36:38but it did not provoke any legal action,

00:36:40no reaction of lawsuits, libels, etc., etc.

00:36:45And the Opus Dei faction, let's call it that,

00:36:48who would be both members of Opus Dei

00:36:51as well as other types of organizations,

00:36:53regional styles of Christ,

00:36:54who defended other types of values.

00:36:56And in this book, escalations were proposed.

00:37:01that went beyond, let's put it that way,

00:37:03of palace conspiracies or political maneuvers,

00:37:07but, for example, we were talking earlier about the murder

00:37:09by Alois Esterman,

00:37:11who was commander of the Swiss Guard,

00:37:13They said that this particular murder

00:37:15had been a non-collateral victim,

00:37:17but directly from the skirmishes of that secret war,

00:37:20but there could have been several more violent deaths,

00:37:24including that of John Paul I himself.

00:37:26One thing, Jesus,

00:37:27Will the current Pope attack forcefully and viciously today?

00:37:31How did John Paul I do with these groups?

00:37:34Jesus, what's your opinion?

00:37:37Well, I don't know.

00:37:39I don't know what he'll do.

00:37:42Because I believe they still exist,

00:37:44They still exist within the Vatican,

00:37:49infiltrators,

00:37:50And it is, in some way, a form of power.

00:37:53which I believe is above

00:37:54of the will of the popes.

00:37:57And then there's the money,

00:37:58which is another point of convergence as well,

00:38:01Vatican business,

00:38:02And that's where the other side of the mafia also comes in,

00:38:06the bankers.

00:38:08The enormous monetary interests,

00:38:09and it's not about spirituality.

00:38:10This is what he wanted to cut,

00:38:11to drive the merchants from the temple,

00:38:13This is what John Paul I wanted to cut.

00:38:16and...

00:38:16They finished him off.

00:38:17They got rid of him, of course.

00:38:19We have discussed several things here,

00:38:21both science and religion,

00:38:22because this is going to have a clear impact,

00:38:24And because, logically,

00:38:25our audience,

00:38:26the one from Cuarto Milenio,

00:38:27He's asking for our opinion, isn't he?

00:38:29One more time,

00:38:30as we did with The Da Vinci Code,

00:38:31concrete elements,

00:38:33Illuminati,

00:38:34infiltration into the Vatican,

00:38:36a writer with ideas,

00:38:37certainly brilliant and controversial,

00:38:41science,

00:38:42see God

00:38:42inside a gigantic human-made artifact,

00:38:45all that and much more.

00:38:46Now you,

00:38:47as usual,

00:38:48They have the final say.

00:38:50Jesús López Saez,

00:38:51Good luck with this book,

00:38:52John Paul I,

00:38:53open case,

00:38:54Until next time, my friend.

00:38:55Thank you so much.

00:38:56Santi, as always, thank you.

00:38:57You're welcome, it was a pleasure.

00:38:57And Javier Sierra,

00:38:58Of course,

00:38:59It's a pleasure to have you here again.

00:39:00Likewise, thank you.

00:39:01See you soon, my friend.

00:39:01See you soon.

00:39:02And now,

00:39:02With that reflection,

00:39:04because there are many topics,

00:39:05many things,

00:39:05and very deep,

00:39:07See you with other pictures,

00:39:08to degrease it a little,

00:39:09Shocking images from Cuarto Milenio.

00:39:22Mexico is currently in the news spotlight.

00:39:24in recent weeks,

00:39:25for many different reasons.

00:39:27This is one that perhaps hasn't been shown,

00:39:30in the mainstream media,

00:39:31and that catches our attention.

00:39:32Taxco.

00:39:33We're going all the way to Taxco,

00:39:35there during the Holy Week processions,

00:39:37precisely on Holy Thursday,

00:39:39The procession of the Christs was taking place.

00:39:42There was a lot of commotion at that procession, Iker.

00:39:44Just like this year,

00:39:45Again, in Seville.

00:39:47Apparently, in Taxco,

00:39:48A shooting causes both tourists,

00:39:51like the hooded figures themselves,

00:39:54that these figures were carrying,

00:39:57Leave the Christ on the ground,

00:39:58and run away.

00:40:00I thought it was a shooting.

00:40:02And that's when panic sets in,

00:40:04among the entire crowd,

00:40:05that he was there watching the procession.

00:40:07And then, this Christ,

00:40:09Christ of Guadalupe,

00:40:10when he is taken to the church,

00:40:13They realize she was crying,

00:40:15that a tear was beginning to slip

00:40:17down one of her cheeks.

00:40:19We're looking at the images now.

00:40:21The possibility has also been mentioned,

00:40:23Iker,

00:40:23that these figures,

00:40:24In many cases,

00:40:25They have those tears

00:40:28made of wax,

00:40:29or in any other material,

00:40:31with the heat,

00:40:32For example,

00:40:33of the candles,

00:40:33and also of the people gathered,

00:40:35because they cause it to start melting,

00:40:37and it truly seems

00:40:38that Christ is crying.

00:40:40And what option has been given?

00:40:41What has been said in Mexico today?

00:40:42No option has been given.

00:40:43For some it's a miracle,

00:40:44And for others, it has an explanation.

00:40:46completely scientific,

00:40:48like the one I just described.

00:40:49Well,

00:40:50miracle,

00:40:50or reality,

00:40:51or fraud,

00:40:52or confusion,

00:40:53It's another photograph,

00:40:54the one that raises all these kinds of questions,

00:40:56It was sent by Nicolás Martínez López,

00:40:58Museum of Arts and Sciences of Valencia,

00:41:00And you'll see how curious it is,

00:41:01in a display case,

00:41:02which talks about bone injuries,

00:41:04Something appears that,

00:41:05man,

00:41:05It shouldn't be there.

00:41:06It seems a bit disjointed to us.

00:41:07Let's see if we can solve the mystery.

00:41:09Well, here we see it in the foreground

00:41:11to our sender's girlfriend,

00:41:13who sent us the photograph,

00:41:15we see some scenes

00:41:16from a football match,

00:41:17and the muscles that can be damaged

00:41:19in some of those football tickets.

00:41:21Well then,

00:41:22We are going to point out two things,

00:41:24the first one that is reflected

00:41:25to her boyfriend,

00:41:26and the second,

00:41:27that there is a character

00:41:27that he shouldn't have been there.

00:41:30That's where the anomaly lies.

00:41:31Iker from this photograph.

00:41:32Marked.

00:41:33I'm going to point her out,

00:41:34Let's see if we can expand that area.

00:41:37Look, there we have it.

00:41:38She looks like a little girl.

00:41:39She's a girl.

00:41:41Even,

00:41:41she can be seen

00:41:42How does her hair look?

00:41:44above the forehead,

00:41:46how he seems to be looking,

00:41:49TRUE?,

00:41:49to the camera.

00:41:52It even has here,

00:41:53look,

00:41:54like little flyers

00:41:55of a dress

00:41:55that girl was wearing.

00:41:56But what was a little girl doing there?

00:41:57They told us

00:41:58that there were no girls there,

00:42:00which, of course,

00:42:00He was not with us.

00:42:02And who could this character be?

00:42:04Guillermo says

00:42:05There are several things...

00:42:05Look,

00:42:06Look how it looks there,

00:42:06Hey?

00:42:07It looks pretty good there.

00:42:08I'm going to lower it.

00:42:10Look,

00:42:11Come on,

00:42:11no doubt.

00:42:12And?

00:42:12Is it a reflection,

00:42:13a portrait?

00:42:14Well, we haven't been able to.

00:42:16know very well

00:42:17What is it about?

00:42:18As we can see,

00:42:19if we take as a reference

00:42:21the panel,

00:42:22We see that it is a photograph

00:42:23or an image

00:42:25oversized,

00:42:25TRUE?

00:42:26It's the face of a girl

00:42:27very large,

00:42:28Therefore, we rule out

00:42:29that it be a girl

00:42:31that was

00:42:31in that room, precisely.

00:42:33It could be a poster

00:42:35that has been done

00:42:36in those dimensions

00:42:38and has been reflected

00:42:39when they were doing

00:42:40the photograph.

00:42:41But we don't have it either.

00:42:42very light,

00:42:43Iker.

00:42:43The truth is that we haven't been able to

00:42:44offer no solution

00:42:46100% clear

00:42:47to this image.

00:42:49Perhaps our viewers

00:42:50can help us

00:42:51and remember

00:42:52whether there was a sign

00:42:53in which I had reflected

00:42:54two children

00:42:55or something like that.

00:42:56It was obtained last month,

00:42:56April 11,

00:42:57It's very recent,

00:42:59But it is true

00:43:00depending on the perspective

00:43:01the girl can even

00:43:02we even think we're small

00:43:03or disproportionate

00:43:04at its height,

00:43:05It doesn't match at all.

00:43:06that little head,

00:43:07that body,

00:43:07there.

00:43:09I'm even watching it now.

00:43:10in the copy we have

00:43:11here on paper

00:43:12which seems to be part

00:43:14of the body,

00:43:14It looks like the shoulders

00:43:17and those flyers

00:43:17They are being prolonged.

00:43:19In the end,

00:43:21Does anyone know anything?

00:43:22Guillermo also pointed out

00:43:23a possible photo retouching,

00:43:26Well,

00:43:27could be.

00:43:27Which could also be,

00:43:28obviously.

00:43:29Well,

00:43:30tonight we have

00:43:30many surprises,

00:43:32Gee.

00:43:32Terrifying when we put it on

00:43:33in negative.

00:43:34And what do they have to do with it?

00:43:35with alleged entities,

00:43:37For example,

00:43:38Galicia,

00:43:39the Holy Company.

00:43:40We're going to have a diary

00:43:41of fear

00:43:41which I sincerely believe

00:43:43which is spectacular,

00:43:44that will take us

00:43:44to Galicia

00:43:45from the 1940s

00:43:46to find out

00:43:47a true story,

00:43:48Josefa Romero's,

00:43:50recreated by our colleagues

00:43:51and we will have specialists

00:43:53What are they going to tell us?

00:43:54real cases,

00:43:56authentic,

00:43:56experienced firsthand.

00:43:58And also

00:43:59We're going to have something amazing,

00:44:01which is an approximation

00:44:02otherwise

00:44:03to the world of death.

00:44:04It has to do with America

00:44:05and with the oldest mummies.

00:44:07We begin the journey.

00:44:41And now I've moved

00:44:42from here

00:44:42even to this very special area

00:44:43from our mystery ship

00:44:45to talk to them

00:44:46of a real journey

00:44:46to the deepest part

00:44:47from the otherworld,

00:44:48to beliefs,

00:44:49to anthropology,

00:44:50to the afterlife.

00:44:51We are going to do

00:44:51a series of practices

00:44:52which I believe have never been done

00:44:54until now on television.

00:44:55And that always keeps me going.

00:44:56expectant.

00:44:58Items,

00:44:59bones,

00:45:00clays,

00:45:00stones,

00:45:01sticks.

00:45:01Why and for what purpose?

00:45:03Well,

00:45:03essentially as a chronicle

00:45:04of the mummies

00:45:05oldest in the world.

00:45:07We have it in the unconscious

00:45:08the idea that they are

00:45:09those of Egypt,

00:45:10TRUE?

00:45:10The land of the pharaohs.

00:45:11Well,

00:45:12millennia before them,

00:45:14other men and women

00:45:15from the coasts of America

00:45:16They too paid their tribute

00:45:18on the other side,

00:45:19their tribute to the dead.

00:45:21They are the Chinchorro mummies.

00:45:23We were able to see them.

00:45:24They'll understand.

00:45:25to be a little bit inside them,

00:45:27observe them.

00:45:285,000,

00:45:296,000,

00:45:297,000 years.

00:45:30A true marvel

00:45:32who is coming to visit us.

00:45:34This is the chronicle

00:45:35from our colleague Carmen

00:45:36to which it was put

00:45:37chicken meat

00:45:38upon observing

00:45:40that curious pantheon.

00:45:42We traveled millennia

00:45:43to meet

00:45:44one more time

00:45:44with a great mystery.

00:45:58Empty eyes,

00:46:00expressionless,

00:46:01elongated skulls,

00:46:03decorated with ribbons

00:46:04that they still retain

00:46:05the color of thousands of years ago.

00:46:08Open mouths

00:46:09in a final cry

00:46:10or maybe

00:46:11emitting

00:46:12the last breath of life.

00:46:14Broken wombs

00:46:15and severed noses.

00:46:17Long black hair

00:46:19with carefully styled hair

00:46:20from another time.

00:46:23Dozens,

00:46:23hundreds of heads

00:46:25that were distributed

00:46:26next to me.

00:46:27It seemed like a real nightmare,

00:46:29but the sunlight of Arica

00:46:30It made me see

00:46:31It was daytime.

00:46:32and that she was awake.

00:46:36Death surrounded me

00:46:37in the form of a body

00:46:38headless,

00:46:39of perfectly boned

00:46:40distributed

00:46:41and cataloged

00:46:42in drawers.

00:46:44of strange masks

00:46:45made of clay

00:46:46that with two simple slots

00:46:48They drew faces.

00:46:52I heard footsteps

00:46:54and then

00:46:55Dr. Bernardo Arriaza

00:46:56He pulled me out

00:46:58of my self-absorption.

00:47:00He was in his laboratory

00:47:01of the Archaeological Museum

00:47:02from San Miguel de Azapa

00:47:03before the artificial mummies

00:47:05oldest in the world.

00:47:07The Chinchorro mummies.

00:47:217,000 years before Christ

00:47:23a culture

00:47:24of robust men

00:47:25and Chilean women

00:47:26began to preserve

00:47:27to their deceased

00:47:28with the intention

00:47:29that they were useful

00:47:30as interlocutors

00:47:32with the afterlife.

00:47:34There are still some today

00:47:35many enigmas

00:47:36around

00:47:37to this civilization.

00:47:39How and where

00:47:40acquired

00:47:41so much knowledge

00:47:42anatomical?

00:47:43Why did they want to

00:47:45preserve

00:47:45to unborn children?

00:47:47Did they do any kind

00:47:48of ritual

00:47:49to prepare

00:47:50to the deceased

00:47:50on their journey

00:47:51to the afterlife?

00:47:55We can speculate

00:47:56a bit

00:47:57create hypotheses

00:47:58and obviously

00:47:59that this process

00:48:00so complex

00:48:01so elaborate

00:48:02so delicate

00:48:03meticulous

00:48:04It took a long time

00:48:05a few weeks

00:48:07a couple of days

00:48:08at least

00:48:08in collecting

00:48:09the objects

00:48:09in braiding

00:48:10the fiber

00:48:11in preparing it

00:48:12in searching for the pigments

00:48:13the colors

00:48:14in preparing the body

00:48:15a couple of weeks

00:48:17in finishing the body

00:48:18and once finished

00:48:19get the most out of it

00:48:21take advantage of it

00:48:22And if we look

00:48:23anthropology

00:48:24of death

00:48:25whenever someone

00:48:26dies

00:48:26there is a ritual of pain

00:48:27there is a separation ritual

00:48:32They thought

00:48:33that there was a life

00:48:34after death

00:48:36and that life

00:48:37It was even more important

00:48:38that earthly life

00:48:39that's why

00:48:40the concern

00:48:43towards their dead

00:48:44towards the person

00:48:45who makes that trip

00:48:47you understand?

00:48:47apart from the mummy

00:48:48this mummy

00:48:49is accompanied

00:48:50of all its implements

00:48:51fishing

00:48:51then one can differentiate

00:48:53what did he do for a living

00:48:53the Lord

00:48:55The hammocks

00:48:57they went from being

00:48:57a nomadic society

00:48:58a sedentary

00:49:00and developed

00:49:01their culture

00:49:01along

00:49:02of the coast

00:49:03of the desert

00:49:03from Atacama

00:49:04the south coast

00:49:05from Peru

00:49:05and the north

00:49:06from Chile

00:49:07since 7020

00:49:08up to 1500

00:49:10B.C.

00:49:11his life

00:49:13it was turning

00:49:13around

00:49:14to the sea

00:49:14of which

00:49:15they obtained

00:49:16everything necessary

00:49:17living

00:49:17and therefore

00:49:18developed

00:49:19with all the technology

00:49:20fishery

00:49:21like fishhooks

00:49:22lithic knives

00:49:23harpoons

00:49:24or weights

00:49:25But let's go

00:49:27at the moment

00:49:28of the discovery

00:49:28in 1917

00:49:30the scholar

00:49:31German

00:49:32Max Ulle

00:49:33discovered

00:49:3412 bodies

00:49:35mummified

00:49:36while he was

00:49:37digging

00:49:37on a beach

00:49:38call

00:49:39Hammock

00:49:39which in local slang

00:49:40means

00:49:41raft

00:49:42or fishing net

00:49:43Ulle realized

00:49:44that almost everyone

00:49:45the bodies

00:49:46they were in position

00:49:47extended

00:49:48But there were differences.

00:49:49notable

00:49:50among them

00:49:50and classified them

00:49:52in three categories

00:49:54the techniques

00:49:55modification

00:49:55OK

00:49:56to the dated

00:49:56radiocarbons

00:49:57that we have done

00:49:58They are like clusters

00:49:59where the mummies

00:50:01black

00:50:01They are the oldest

00:50:03of 5000

00:50:04to 3000

00:50:04B.C.

00:50:05then come

00:50:05the red mummies

00:50:07around the year 2000

00:50:08B.C.

00:50:08which apparently

00:50:09lasts a period

00:50:10about 500 years old

00:50:11So I think

00:50:12which are traditions

00:50:13that keep changing

00:50:13over time

00:50:14customs

00:50:16We don't do it anymore.

00:50:16the same

00:50:17that our parents did

00:50:18our parents

00:50:18They don't do the same

00:50:19what grandparents used to do

00:50:20so

00:50:20gradually

00:50:21I believe these techniques

00:50:22they were changing

00:50:23until over time

00:50:24disappear

00:50:25subsequently

00:50:26many anthropologists

00:50:27archaeologists

00:50:28and researchers

00:50:29they were discovering

00:50:30new burials

00:50:32in all of them

00:50:33it became evident

00:50:34the great knowledge

00:50:35anatomical

00:50:36dissection

00:50:37and dissection

00:50:38that they developed

00:50:39the hammocks

00:50:40since the bodies

00:50:41they were treated

00:50:42and decorations

00:50:43of the head

00:50:44at the feet

00:50:44lumber

00:50:45reeds

00:50:46land of colors

00:50:47feathers

00:50:48everything was useful

00:50:49to beautify

00:50:50to the deceased

00:50:50the phenomenon

00:50:52of death

00:50:53They took him

00:50:53to a complexity

00:50:54very extreme

00:50:55of beliefs

00:50:56in the afterlife

00:50:57the worldview

00:50:58of the world

00:50:59It was so complex

00:51:00that even

00:51:01modified

00:51:02intentionally

00:51:03to newborns

00:51:04to the fetuses

00:51:05to the unborn

00:51:06and with the same techniques

00:51:08that they used

00:51:09for adults

00:51:12the peoples

00:51:13that they knew

00:51:14art

00:51:14to mummify

00:51:15just

00:51:16they did it

00:51:16with great

00:51:17leaders

00:51:18pharaohs

00:51:18priests

00:51:19or people

00:51:20relevant

00:51:21of society

00:51:22instead

00:51:23the hammocks

00:51:24they didn't

00:51:25difference

00:51:25among their deceased

00:51:27all

00:51:28were worthy

00:51:29to face

00:51:29at a pace

00:51:30weather

00:51:31culture

00:51:32hammock

00:51:33sample

00:51:34small groups

00:51:35technology

00:51:36simple

00:51:37knowledge

00:51:38very deep

00:51:39in their environment

00:51:39however

00:51:41dedicate

00:51:42so much time

00:51:43so much knowledge

00:51:45and for longer

00:51:463,500 years old

00:51:48maintain

00:51:48these practices

00:51:50to preserve

00:51:51at any cost

00:51:53to their dead

00:51:55one of the researchers

00:51:58Professor Stander

00:51:59he pointed me out

00:52:00that the preparation

00:52:02so complex

00:52:03of these bodies

00:52:04even the reinforcement

00:52:05of the members

00:52:07lower

00:52:09long

00:52:10we could be

00:52:11talking

00:52:12precisely

00:52:12of an intention

00:52:14that these bodies

00:52:15were shown

00:52:17and that it is possible

00:52:18very possible

00:52:19that have been

00:52:20exhibited

00:52:21on purpose

00:52:40millennia have passed

00:52:41but

00:52:41It gives the impression

00:52:42that still

00:52:43there is a patina

00:52:43of humanity

00:52:44in all these mummies

00:52:45of hammock

00:52:45who are still looking at us

00:52:47in the desert

00:52:48and the coast

00:52:49drier

00:52:49of the world

00:52:50that impression

00:52:51We have it

00:52:52with us

00:52:53and we will tell

00:52:53many more things

00:52:54We are accompanied by

00:52:56everything in authority

00:52:57Professor Miguel Botella

00:52:58Professor of Anthropology

00:52:59and director

00:52:59from the anthropology laboratory

00:53:00University of Granada

00:53:01all in eminence

00:53:03Welcome, Professor.

00:53:04one more time

00:53:04thank you

00:53:05We enjoyed it a lot

00:53:06with you

00:53:06with the galley mummy

00:53:07that perhaps

00:53:08many remember

00:53:10because also

00:53:10It was very well received

00:53:11the audience

00:53:11a Spanish mummy

00:53:12in this case

00:53:13we go much further back

00:53:14Right, doctor?

00:53:15We're going to some times

00:53:16I hardly know

00:53:17almost prehistoric

00:53:18some prehistoric

00:53:20definitely

00:53:20We're talking

00:53:21from 7000 BC

00:53:23I mean

00:53:237000 years ago

00:53:24a beginning

00:53:26of hunter-gatherers

00:53:27who lived

00:53:29in that area

00:53:30so inhospitable

00:53:31but they had water

00:53:32They had resources

00:53:33fishing

00:53:33and that thanks to this

00:53:35they were able to survive

00:53:36in that medium

00:53:37and they were able

00:53:38let's say

00:53:39waste time

00:53:40taking care of their dead

00:53:41Carmen

00:53:42of this chronicle

00:53:43of this report

00:53:44There have been images

00:53:45that have stayed there

00:53:45and we could move forward

00:53:47in a few minutes

00:53:47It's difficult to explain

00:53:49But we're going to go

00:53:49inside the mummies

00:53:50Thanks to Dr. Arriaza

00:53:52Because, look at that

00:53:52when we were there

00:53:54in Arica

00:53:55with Dr. Arriaza

00:53:56we were able to verify

00:53:57like in the laboratory

00:53:58They were investigating

00:53:59still

00:53:59Chinchorro mummies

00:54:00that had been found

00:54:01because it was

00:54:02a few months

00:54:03and he also told us

00:54:05with great fascination

00:54:06and it also showed us

00:54:07the images

00:54:08that had been done

00:54:09from the interior

00:54:10of these bodies

00:54:10to see

00:54:11how they filled them

00:54:13that form

00:54:13and what knowledge

00:54:15They had anatomy

00:54:16How did they remove them?

00:54:18what were all the bones

00:54:19even the skin

00:54:21and they would redo it again

00:54:22a body

00:54:23someone who

00:54:24being gatherers

00:54:26because they had a lot of knowledge

00:54:28on human anatomy

00:54:30and they knew perfectly well

00:54:31manufacture

00:54:32an artificial mummy

00:54:33And that's how they did these

00:54:34artificial mummies

00:54:36oldest in the world

00:54:37the oldest

00:54:38but also

00:54:38at an incredible distance

00:54:39good

00:54:40And here we see a framework

00:54:41of things

00:54:41which brings us as always

00:54:42Juan Villa

00:54:43Good night, friend.

00:54:45because we have set out

00:54:46One thing as always

00:54:47didactic and different

00:54:48and it's seeing everything

00:54:49Never a truer word spoken

00:54:50inside

00:54:50how it was done

00:54:51as Carmen said

00:54:52There are many elements

00:54:53They used many things

00:54:54And here we have

00:54:55an impressive arsenal

00:54:57What do you think?

00:54:58Juan is going to start

00:54:59to point us out

00:55:00first

00:55:01teacher

00:55:01one thing that calls us

00:55:02a lot of attention

00:55:03We see it there

00:55:04Juan has recreated it

00:55:04Perfectly as always

00:55:05bones and sticks

00:55:07replacement of some bones

00:55:09by sticks

00:55:09Why were they doing this?

00:55:10first

00:55:11in the most ancient times

00:55:12What they did was remove the skin

00:55:13They removed the meat

00:55:15and then they left the bones

00:55:16clean

00:55:17once clean

00:55:18They were rebuilding them

00:55:19putting up sticks

00:55:20and totora reed fibers

00:55:22like a reed

00:55:23they wrapped him up

00:55:24and they rebuilt again

00:55:25the skeleton

00:55:26and on that skeleton

00:55:27They were doing it again

00:55:29that sculpture

00:55:30that after all

00:55:31It looked very similar.

00:55:32to a human body

00:55:32or intended it to be

00:55:33So it's half sculpture

00:55:35half of human body

00:55:36that is, a large part

00:55:37of the viscera

00:55:38that we see here

00:55:38even with stones

00:55:39he was scratching himself

00:55:40and there are even theories

00:55:41we have read

00:55:42of possible cannibalism

00:55:43teacher

00:55:44Well, it's likely

00:55:44is possible

00:55:45that meat

00:55:46they would use it

00:55:48with ritual uses

00:55:49such as cannibalism

00:55:50but actually

00:55:51It has not yet been described

00:55:52because they have not been able to

00:55:53study the brands

00:55:54direct on the bones

00:55:55but it is likely

00:55:57go inside

00:55:57of the probable

00:55:58that

00:55:59all that set

00:56:00of muscle mass

00:56:01They will remove it precisely

00:56:02for that

00:56:02and then

00:56:03rebuild

00:56:04the body

00:56:05with those means

00:56:06that they had

00:56:06and giving

00:56:08trying to give the appearance

00:56:09not maybe

00:56:10of the human body

00:56:11but of authentic sculpture

00:56:12Let's get down to business

00:56:14to the work

00:56:14teacher

00:56:15after having

00:56:16conditioned

00:56:17removed the meat

00:56:18skin removed

00:56:19left neat

00:56:21the skeleton

00:56:21and replaced some parts

00:56:23as if to hold them

00:56:24in another life

00:56:25with sticks

00:56:25that used to be done

00:56:26it was being rebuilt

00:56:28the muscular part

00:56:29with mud

00:56:30It's gray mud.

00:56:31probably

00:56:32mixed with ash

00:56:33we don't know what

00:56:34and then

00:56:35it was done

00:56:37the form

00:56:38shallow

00:56:39of the body

00:56:40and about that

00:56:41she put on her skin

00:56:43or a sea lion

00:56:44or the skin

00:56:44of the person

00:56:45for later

00:56:46in turn

00:56:46cover it

00:56:47with manganese oxide

00:56:48How curious!

00:56:49So there we would have

00:56:50that type of clay

00:56:51a kind of simile

00:56:52millennial

00:56:53from that clay

00:56:54and then

00:56:55There are even those who say

00:56:56those stones

00:56:57that we see there

00:56:58were used

00:56:59This has caught my attention

00:56:59a lot of attention

00:57:00to dry

00:57:01or even sometimes

00:57:01like cauterization

00:57:02to leave

00:57:04the entire thoracic region

00:57:05perfectly clean

00:57:06clear for dehydration

00:57:07The stones were getting hot

00:57:09and with that

00:57:09it was heating up in turn

00:57:10the remains of the body

00:57:12it was dehydrating

00:57:13It was going to the dampness

00:57:14coming soon

00:57:15And so it remained.

00:57:16the corpse is better preserved

00:57:17or also ashes

00:57:18or warm arms

00:57:19in some of the bones

00:57:20has been identified

00:57:22that they had

00:57:22those arms

00:57:23who had been subjected

00:57:24those bones

00:57:25some embers

00:57:25Okay Juan

00:57:26then we proceed

00:57:27because the next

00:57:29the next step

00:57:31in all this

00:57:31I would be

00:57:32first

00:57:32I don't know whether to use

00:57:34that ash

00:57:35or manganese

00:57:36because some are colored

00:57:37or place the skin first

00:57:38What used to be done?

00:57:40First the mud was applied

00:57:41mud first

00:57:42First the mud was applied

00:57:44filling gaps

00:57:45filling all the gaps

00:57:47and in that way

00:57:48It was already taking an approximate form

00:57:50to what could be a body

00:57:52and after that

00:57:53The skin was already being placed on top

00:57:55It's curious that they

00:57:57They stripped the entire body

00:57:59of its anatomical sense

00:58:00somehow

00:58:00They turned him into a skeleton

00:58:02symbol of death

00:58:02and then with another subject

00:58:04that was not meat

00:58:04They were doing it again

00:58:05the same job

00:58:06This sounds like this

00:58:07Is it known why?

00:58:08no no

00:58:09In fact

00:58:09There is so much we don't know

00:58:11of these people

00:58:11in short

00:58:13It was said that

00:58:15the Egyptians

00:58:16They only made them for leaders

00:58:18or fundamentally to leaders

00:58:19and in this case no

00:58:20It is important to keep in mind

00:58:21the structure of society

00:58:23This structure was

00:58:24by definition

00:58:25much more egalitarian

00:58:26and then

00:58:27the topic

00:58:28of complex societies

00:58:29complicated leadership

00:58:31of priests

00:58:32gods, etc.

00:58:33did not exist here

00:58:33so

00:58:34these people

00:58:35the whole town

00:58:36participated in this

00:58:37of this ritual

00:58:38And here we have something

00:58:39that can impress us

00:58:40that many people

00:58:41that today we talk about mummies

00:58:42He cannot conceive of this

00:58:44because they are not very well known

00:58:45Unfortunately

00:58:46except in the circles

00:58:47of specialists

00:58:48is this species

00:58:49of a large figurehead

00:58:51This was already

00:58:51the hardened clay

00:58:52even with breasts

00:58:54in women

00:58:54Yeah

00:58:55Well

00:58:55It was done in a rudimentary way

00:58:56because

00:58:57in my opinion

00:58:58It was not intended to be

00:59:00an exact image

00:59:01truthful of the person

00:59:02but it was intended

00:59:03maybe

00:59:04give an outline

00:59:05a concept

00:59:06of what had been

00:59:07that person

00:59:08and then

00:59:08well

00:59:09It is simplified

00:59:10but actually

00:59:11showing the organs

00:59:13fundamentals

00:59:14always with mud

00:59:15and cutlery

00:59:16as I say

00:59:17with the skin

00:59:17and in turn

00:59:18that skin

00:59:18was dyed

00:59:20or painted

00:59:20with a dough

00:59:21of manganese oxide

00:59:23also black

00:59:23Those are the oldest ones.

00:59:25the most modern

00:59:26or less old

00:59:27in short

00:59:28they became known

00:59:29iron

00:59:29and they were red

00:59:30red and black

00:59:31like two worlds

00:59:32clear

00:59:33if we talk

00:59:33from 7000 BC

00:59:35That's 9000 years

00:59:36where would I learn from?

00:59:37these people

00:59:38this ritual

00:59:39where does it originate

00:59:40in such remote cultures

00:59:42that feeling

00:59:43that death

00:59:44We have to leave

00:59:44otherwise

00:59:45clear

00:59:46I think that

00:59:47from man

00:59:48already Neanderthal

00:59:49and Homo sapiens sapiens

00:59:51after

00:59:52the fear of death

00:59:53prevention

00:59:55in case of whatever might happen

00:59:56the refusal

00:59:57in light of the fact

00:59:58to disappear

00:59:59because it's always there.

01:00:00and the man when he passes

01:00:02the Bering Strait

01:00:03undoubtedly

01:00:03when he arrives in America

01:00:04It's arriving too

01:00:05with those beliefs

01:00:06one way or another

01:00:07the human

01:00:09wants to deny

01:00:10the fact of death

01:00:11wants to transcend

01:00:12and for that

01:00:13That's how mummies are made

01:00:14for that

01:00:15wanted

01:00:16ideas for the future

01:00:17ideas of an afterlife

01:00:19ideas of a renaissance

01:00:20etc.

01:00:21etc.

01:00:21They are, after all

01:00:22I would say that

01:00:23strategies for survival

01:00:25within that anguish

01:00:26that gives death

01:00:27which gives the idea of death

01:00:28and that also

01:00:29they were used to it

01:00:30Let's see natural mummies

01:00:31because there in the desert

01:00:33We were able to verify it.

01:00:34in cemeteries

01:00:35that still remain

01:00:36some corpses

01:00:37even come out

01:00:37from their coffins

01:00:38because they mummify

01:00:40naturally

01:00:41then it is believed

01:00:41that they were used to

01:00:43to see the dead

01:00:44that had been buried

01:00:45in the desert sands

01:00:46and that indeed

01:00:47They had that mummification

01:00:49as it didn't always happen

01:00:50they also wanted

01:00:51to do on that trip

01:00:53to the afterlife

01:00:53well, their dead

01:00:54were otherwise

01:00:56that it was a representation

01:00:57and that it arrived

01:00:59on that great journey

01:01:00in the best way possible

01:01:01like a statue

01:01:02as recreated

01:01:03and look

01:01:04Now Juan is doing

01:01:05here

01:01:06the mud face

01:01:07but they took

01:01:08even the brain

01:01:09Right, doctor?

01:01:10let's see

01:01:10They were doing what was

01:01:12a cross-section

01:01:13in the skull

01:01:14They took out the brain

01:01:15they also filled

01:01:16that brain

01:01:17and with

01:01:18with ropes

01:01:19how are you

01:01:20they were returning

01:01:21to close it

01:01:22just like the jawbone

01:01:22allowing one thing

01:01:23Juan is almost finished

01:01:26which would

01:01:26the fundamental part

01:01:27in which we have been left

01:01:28which is the great mask

01:01:29And that's what catches our attention.

01:01:31teacher

01:01:31something that is

01:01:33which is tremendous

01:01:35in the subtle

01:01:36No?

01:01:36that mouth

01:01:37those eyes

01:01:38as if still

01:01:39a breath of life

01:01:40could enter

01:01:41inside the mummy

01:01:42hammock

01:01:42They didn't decorate it anymore.

01:01:44I mean it was

01:01:45surprising

01:01:45that with all the work

01:01:46what they were doing

01:01:47that the cameras

01:01:48They are collecting

01:01:48this framework

01:01:49of ties

01:01:50of

01:01:50then the face was

01:01:51pum pum

01:01:52nothing else

01:01:54because?

01:01:55well really

01:01:55when they did it that way

01:01:56It's because they wanted to

01:01:57do it this way

01:01:58because

01:01:58as she has very well said

01:02:00It wasn't about doing

01:02:01an image of the dead

01:02:03of that deceased

01:02:04No

01:02:04It was about doing

01:02:05a concept

01:02:06a concept

01:02:07about what that dead man

01:02:08meant

01:02:09In fact

01:02:10They were trying to do

01:02:11a scheme

01:02:12of what had been

01:02:13this person

01:02:13And that's why

01:02:14in a way

01:02:15It's so exciting

01:02:16No?

01:02:17because

01:02:18They did so much work

01:02:19and finally

01:02:21they ended in a scheme

01:02:23many of them

01:02:24as you are seeing now

01:02:25They carry that species

01:02:26like ties

01:02:27of strings

01:02:28or straps

01:02:28around the neck

01:02:30a whole series

01:02:30of ornaments

01:02:31which can be ornaments

01:02:33teacher

01:02:33They can be like jewels

01:02:34for another world

01:02:35or very poor people

01:02:37No?

01:02:37They were very poor people.

01:02:38They were people who also

01:02:40But anyway

01:02:41They knew how to work with shells

01:02:43very good

01:02:43They have elements

01:02:45tools

01:02:46fishhooks

01:02:47harpoons

01:02:48etc.

01:02:48of superb quality

01:02:50aesthetics

01:02:50No

01:02:51when they made the mummies

01:02:52That's because

01:02:53exclusively wanted

01:02:54do them like that

01:02:54because?

01:02:55because maybe

01:02:56it escapes us

01:02:57a lot

01:02:57but actually

01:02:58was the concept

01:03:00I understand

01:03:01more than the object

01:03:02per se

01:03:02more than the dead

01:03:03per se

01:03:04meant

01:03:04Anything else

01:03:05that to us

01:03:06it escapes us

01:03:06which was

01:03:07well the idea

01:03:08that these people

01:03:09I had about death

01:03:10Carmen

01:03:10We even see hair

01:03:11natural hair

01:03:12Yeah

01:03:12hair

01:03:13most of the time

01:03:14natural

01:03:15Furthermore, it was distinguished

01:03:16among the black mummies

01:03:17and the red mummies

01:03:18the red mummies

01:03:19They wear their hair

01:03:20much longer

01:03:21and with a species

01:03:22black cap

01:03:23on

01:03:24which seems to be holding it

01:03:25and the black mummies

01:03:26instead

01:03:27No

01:03:27but from the deceased himself

01:03:29I guess so

01:03:29sometimes from the deceased himself

01:03:31and other times not

01:03:31because it has been proven

01:03:33that sometimes

01:03:33No

01:03:34could not belong

01:03:36It could be someone

01:03:37of the tribe

01:03:38of the same

01:03:39who were next to them

01:03:41It didn't have to be his

01:03:42according to also

01:03:43they would have cut him off

01:03:44the scalp

01:03:45which also

01:03:46Let's remember that they took it away.

01:03:47clear

01:03:47There we see the mask

01:03:49which is already perfectly designed

01:03:50and the gaze

01:03:51into the afterlife

01:03:52and then

01:03:53teacher

01:03:54was used

01:03:55that kind of ash

01:03:56to add the final touch of color

01:03:58Yeah

01:03:58it was covered

01:03:59it was covered

01:04:00with a manganese oxide

01:04:01and remained completely

01:04:03early mornings

01:04:03of this product

01:04:04and so they remained

01:04:05Well, how would you say

01:04:06like a doll

01:04:08representing a person

01:04:10And there are also the statuettes

01:04:11TRUE?

01:04:12of the fetuses

01:04:13And those are truly tremendous.

01:04:14They caught our attention a lot

01:04:15when Dr. Arriaza

01:04:18He opened that laboratory for us

01:04:19where

01:04:20I had the Chinchorro mummies

01:04:21that I was studying

01:04:22and there were some

01:04:23of tiny dimensions

01:04:25perfectly executed

01:04:27all this work on a large scale

01:04:28Yeah

01:04:29These would be mummies

01:04:30hammock

01:04:31but tiny

01:04:32because the sticks

01:04:33that are used

01:04:34For example

01:04:34in these large

01:04:35They are one and a half meters tall.

01:04:38from the ankles

01:04:40up to what would be the neck

01:04:41which is where they fit in

01:04:42the head

01:04:42But of course

01:04:43the fetuses

01:04:44They were tiny.

01:04:45They're like little statues

01:04:46that many times

01:04:47They buried next to one of the great

01:04:49Any more surprises?

01:04:51well several

01:04:51Juan

01:04:51Let's unpack that

01:04:53because the teacher

01:04:54Carmen

01:04:55have

01:04:55addicts who have been impressed

01:04:56Carmen very much

01:04:57see them

01:04:57clear

01:04:58these people

01:04:59unlike the Egyptians

01:05:00as we have said

01:05:00I didn't know about categories.

01:05:01Everyone was being modified

01:05:03and the results

01:05:04however

01:05:04They are very diverse

01:05:05There were strange suits

01:05:06like threads

01:05:08straw

01:05:09so

01:05:10then they start to have

01:05:11like their own fashion

01:05:12their own style

01:05:12also the Chinchorro mummy

01:05:13clear

01:05:14we need to take into account

01:05:14that there are more than 3000 years

01:05:15difference

01:05:16so

01:05:17throughout that time

01:05:18there has been

01:05:19fashions

01:05:20concepts

01:05:20changes

01:05:21changes

01:05:22in the same town

01:05:23or in the same social structure

01:05:24so

01:05:25Yeah

01:05:26There are two groups

01:05:27very clear

01:05:28What are black mummies?

01:05:29older

01:05:30and the red mummies

01:05:31but then there is a set

01:05:32of mummies

01:05:33that are

01:05:33full of mud

01:05:34others that are

01:05:35like bandages

01:05:37sometimes

01:05:39with one's own skin

01:05:39of the person

01:05:40in strips

01:05:41the skin itself

01:05:42of the person

01:05:42in strips

01:05:42or with skin

01:05:44of sea lion

01:05:44also

01:05:45but

01:05:46but

01:05:47It's already more complex

01:05:49let's say

01:05:50that variety

01:05:51of elements

01:05:51but the black ones

01:05:53are the first

01:05:54very clear

01:05:55a typology

01:05:56very specific

01:05:57very doll-like

01:05:58and then

01:05:59the others

01:05:59maybe

01:06:00over time

01:06:01about the hair

01:06:02longer

01:06:02put your mouth

01:06:03more open

01:06:04they are trying

01:06:05to make a figure

01:06:06a little more natural

01:06:07well the idea

01:06:09that we had

01:06:09and hopefully

01:06:11we have achieved it

01:06:12It is for the general public

01:06:13to so many

01:06:14friends

01:06:15that they see us now

01:06:15bring them closer

01:06:16this wonderful world

01:06:17We already did it

01:06:18with that mummy

01:06:19wonderful

01:06:20Spanish galley

01:06:20in Granada

01:06:21And why not?

01:06:22we have believed

01:06:23to the oldest

01:06:24and largely unknown

01:06:25Unfortunately

01:06:26an entire culture

01:06:27of death

01:06:28a true work of art

01:06:29dolls from another world

01:06:30No?

01:06:31we could say

01:06:31And as always

01:06:32it's a pleasure

01:06:33do it with guides

01:06:34exceptional

01:06:35of the category

01:06:36from the professor

01:06:37Miguel Botella

01:06:38as usual

01:06:38a pleasure

01:06:39really

01:06:39It's wonderful

01:06:40having you here

01:06:40and hopefully

01:06:41Let's take more trips

01:06:42because of history

01:06:42Juan Villa

01:06:43As always, my friend.

01:06:45freak

01:06:45a pleasure

01:06:46a pleasure

01:06:46as usual

01:06:47You've made a mummy

01:06:489000 years old

01:06:49It's said so easily

01:06:50I think it's the trip

01:06:51furthest from the morgue

01:06:52definitely

01:06:53in Galera

01:06:54we stayed

01:06:553000 more or less

01:06:56here

01:06:57We've left

01:06:58almost to 7000

01:06:58B.C.

01:06:59and Carmen

01:07:00how do I know you

01:07:00You recorded many more things

01:07:02we have one left

01:07:03one to see

01:07:04and a very interesting one

01:07:05our greeting

01:07:06to the people of Arica

01:07:07and to the teachers

01:07:08like Dr. Arriaza

01:07:09who allowed

01:07:10not only this vision

01:07:11but take the means

01:07:12of the current CSI

01:07:14and travel inside

01:07:15of the mummies

01:07:16what you are going to see

01:07:17It has never been broadcast

01:07:18It's worth it

01:07:25Dr. Bernardo Arriaza

01:07:27and more surprise

01:07:31behind a reinforced door

01:07:32They were hiding

01:07:33the greatest treasures

01:07:35that have happened

01:07:36by his hands

01:07:36perfect bodies

01:07:38preserved

01:07:39who were sleeping

01:07:39in a bed

01:07:40state-of-the-art

01:07:41with the conditions

01:07:42temperature

01:07:43and necessary light

01:07:44so that they would not suffer

01:07:45the slightest alteration

01:07:48technology

01:07:49that we possess

01:07:50in this 21st century

01:07:51it allowed us

01:07:52delve into

01:07:53in the very

01:07:54bowels

01:07:54of the mummies

01:07:55artificial

01:07:56older

01:07:57of the world

01:07:57hand in hand

01:07:58from the doctor

01:07:59and of its instruments

01:08:00state-of-the-art

01:08:01we were able to meet

01:08:02the story

01:08:03of some beings

01:08:04who lived

01:08:059000 years ago

01:08:08thanks to technology

01:08:09today

01:08:10can

01:08:11figure out

01:08:12a little more

01:08:12how they operated

01:08:13the bodies

01:08:13diseases

01:08:14that they had

01:08:16we can use

01:08:17the scanners

01:08:17x-rays

01:08:18endoscopy

01:08:19and in this case

01:08:20through endoscopy

01:08:21we can appreciate

01:08:22the cut marks

01:08:25that have used

01:08:26in order to separate

01:08:27the body

01:08:29in order to separate

01:08:30the different fragments

01:08:32Here we can see

01:08:33in these remains

01:08:35of skulls

01:08:37clearly

01:08:38that the skull

01:08:41he was separated

01:08:41segmented

01:08:42They can be seen here

01:08:43some incisions

01:08:44linear footprints

01:08:45of the cuts

01:08:46that have used

01:08:47have used

01:08:48stone knives

01:08:49They are not metallic

01:08:50thanks to the shells

01:08:51and other remains

01:08:52found

01:08:53in the burials

01:08:54have been able to find out

01:08:55eating habits

01:08:57of this society

01:08:58but the teeth

01:08:59and the bones

01:09:00They also speak

01:09:02to the cameras

01:09:03microscopic

01:09:04They don't miss a thing

01:09:05not a single notch

01:09:06translation

01:09:07or fracture

01:09:08that he could suffer

01:09:09the individual

01:09:10This is a skull

01:09:12Here we can see

01:09:12a modification

01:09:13natural

01:09:14in this case

01:09:15and what we can appreciate

01:09:17It's in his teeth

01:09:19because it is very worn out

01:09:21and these wears

01:09:23They are quite common

01:09:24in coastal populations

01:09:26due to the harsh diet

01:09:28abrasive

01:09:28mollusks

01:09:30the sand remains

01:09:32X-rays

01:09:33They took us to check

01:09:34like the trainers

01:09:35funerals

01:09:36they filled the bodies

01:09:37with various herbs

01:09:39and mud

01:09:39and replaced the bones

01:09:41by timbers

01:09:42and sticks

01:09:42in this x-ray

01:09:44of one of the mummies

01:09:45hammock

01:09:46we can see

01:09:47different segments

01:09:48of the body

01:09:49Here's the trunk

01:09:50and as it is totally

01:09:52filling

01:09:53with different

01:09:53materials

01:09:55very solid

01:09:55which generally

01:09:56They are clays

01:09:57and that doesn't allow

01:09:58penetration

01:09:58of X-rays

01:09:59however

01:10:00we can appreciate

01:10:02some structures

01:10:03like the spine

01:10:05who is on site

01:10:06if we get closer

01:10:08we can also see

01:10:08that some elements

01:10:11anatomical features of the arm

01:10:12they remain on site

01:10:13like radio

01:10:14or the ulna

01:10:14and if we go down

01:10:16towards the bottom

01:10:17also noticeable

01:10:19that part of the hip

01:10:20was totally

01:10:21filled with clay

01:10:22very solid elements

01:10:24And if we continue

01:10:25towards the bottom

01:10:26we can see

01:10:27that in the legs

01:10:29There are bones

01:10:30in its anatomical form

01:10:32normal

01:10:33It is clearly visible

01:10:34the tibia

01:10:35and the fibula

01:10:36in this case

01:10:37He's a child

01:10:38apparently

01:10:39a newborn

01:10:42We were also surprised

01:10:44a lot

01:10:44meet

01:10:45with some statuettes

01:10:46out of 17

01:10:48and 30 centimeters

01:10:49tall

01:10:49that contain

01:10:50a human fetus

01:10:51next to bones

01:10:52of birds

01:10:53and other animals

01:10:54they used to lack

01:10:55of arms

01:10:56and legs

01:10:57they had the head

01:10:58quite large

01:10:59and tubular body

01:11:00its mission

01:11:01It is unknown

01:11:03to know for sure

01:11:04but in cultures

01:11:04like the Andean

01:11:05the shamans

01:11:06They used idols

01:11:07very similar

01:11:08to cure diseases

01:11:12society

01:11:14of today

01:11:14He no longer looks at the sky

01:11:16each time it yields

01:11:17less cultured

01:11:18to their gods

01:11:19and the shamans

01:11:20modern

01:11:20are set aside

01:11:21as if they were old

01:11:22insane

01:11:23it would be

01:11:24but maybe

01:11:25we must look back

01:11:27to study this humanity

01:11:28that he was capable

01:11:29to live together

01:11:30with their deceased

01:11:31a culture

01:11:32that above all

01:11:33I wished

01:11:33that their loved ones

01:11:35remained close

01:11:36You just have to look

01:11:37to this mummy

01:11:38of a woman

01:11:39with her little son

01:11:39in the lap

01:11:40during childbirth

01:11:42both died

01:11:43and they were mummified

01:11:44together

01:11:44so as not to separate

01:11:46never

01:11:47and

01:11:49No

01:11:50No

01:11:51No

01:11:52No

01:11:53No

01:11:54No

01:11:55No

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