CTP (20261017 S4E174) Jack Oujo Baseballs To Business BTS/SP video

Name: CTP (20261017 S4E174) Jack Oujo Baseballs To Business BTS/SP video
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Channel: Joseph M. Lenard

00:00Hello, welcome to another episode of Perstitutionalist Podcast.

00:06I am your host, Joseph M. Leonard.

00:10That's L-E-N-A-R-D.

00:12It looks French.

00:13It's not.

00:14It's Leonard without an O.

00:17Thank you for tuning in, as Graham Norton used to say, on his show.

00:23Let's get on with the show!

00:25This is going to be a quick cheat intro segment.

00:31I'm going to be lazy.

00:32I've got so many guest recordings built up.

00:37I'm going to get lazy and cheat on some Saturdays.

00:41I don't have to dream up a monologue topic this way.

00:45So, and I'm also not going to say what guest will be appearing, because I'm going to be

00:51lazy and cheat and use this same intro several Saturdays to intro a guest show.

01:01So, as Graham Norton used to say, let's get on with the show!

01:07Surprise interview!

01:09Take care, Cop Plus!

01:11Joining me today is Jack Ojo, and it'll appear in post on the bottom of the screen for those

01:21of you viewing behind-the-scenes video.

01:24J-A-C-K-O-U-J-O, and of course, you all know my lame humor.

01:32I want to put an I in there and call them Ouija board.

01:37Have you heard that one before?

01:40It's actually, when I went to umpire school, John McSherry called me Ouija.

01:45He was taking attendance, and he said, he was the home plate umpire of Reggie Jackson

01:51at the three home runs in the World Series.

01:52He goes, Jack Ouija.

01:53I go, it's Ojo.

01:54He goes, it's Ouija from now on.

01:56Yeah.

01:56So, yeah, not original on my part.

02:03But, hey, I'm going to pretend I'm the only one that ever thought of it.

02:09So, you are here to talk from baseball to business, from literal curveballs to figurative

02:18ones, or maybe I should say fast pitches.

02:22Yes?

02:23Exactly.

02:25Yeah.

02:25I have an unusual background in that I was, I officiated my way through college, and I

02:31ended up becoming, I tried out to be a professional baseball umpire, and they took me, and I ended

02:38up doing a life sentence in the minor leagues of eight years, 1,500 games.

02:42And I got all the way to AAA, and then they said no, and then I had a pregnant wife

02:48and

02:49no money, and had to start my life over again.

02:52And I ended up, through the grace of God, creating a business that worked out pretty

02:58cool.

02:59All right.

03:00Well, before we get to that, let's back this garbage truck up.

03:04Sure.

03:04Beep, beep, beep.

03:06Where were you born and raised?

03:09Where are you now?

03:10Significant places you may have been in between.

03:13How much time have you spent in prison for what?

03:17He's laughing, people.

03:19It's a joke.

03:20I was raised in Old Bridge, New Jersey, where I spent my childhood.

03:25Sheltered life in Old Bridge, New Jersey.

03:27Um, I, I didn't get on an airplane until I was in baseball, 24 years of age, so we didn't

03:33travel very much at all.

03:34A very, uh, good upbringing.

03:36There were a lot of kids around.

03:38Um, baseball was a big part of my life.

03:40Um, I play, I was a catcher on a state championship team, so that, that was, uh, that, that was

03:46big

03:46to me back then.

03:47Um, I've had a job since I was 12 years old, from delivering newspapers, to being a bus

03:52boy in an Italian restaurant, to officiating.

03:55Um, and then, uh, I, right now I live in Fort Lauderdale, Florida, uh, about eight or nine

04:03months out of the year, we're still have a place in Seagirt, New Jersey in the summertime.

04:07Uh, I met my wife in college, Eileen, at Seton Hall University.

04:12So she married an umpire, and then she ended up being married to, uh, a CPA or, uh, somebody

04:18that had a wealth management business.

04:19I have three children.

04:20Um, my daughter, Caitlin, is the, uh, Department of Energy's attache.

04:25At the National Nuclear Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna, Austria, and my son-in-law's a

04:31White House correspondent, and they have a baby.

04:34And then, um, my second child, Christopher, is a captain for Alaska Airlines.

04:39Um, they live in Redondo Beach, California, with-

04:42All right, I can't pass, Joe.

04:44I'll ask, uh, you later about that.

04:47All right.

04:48All right, yeah.

04:49Go on.

04:50So he's a pilot, and they have a baby girl.

04:53And then my son, Matthew, the little one, uh, played baseball at Florida Atlantic in

04:57Boca Raton.

04:58And, um, they live in New Jersey.

05:00He, uh, him and my daughter-in-law, Samantha, and my newest grandchild, uh, Dominic, who

05:04was named after my father, who passed away about, uh, 12 years ago.

05:08So, uh, so there's that.

05:10So you mentioned Fort Lauderdale.

05:13We're recording, uh, Tuesday, October 13th, uh, that Gulf-initiated hurricane that blew up

05:22there that I can't pronounce.

05:23Were you affected by it?

05:26No.

05:26A lot of these hurricanes are really, um, uh, well, it affected me because I've played

05:31golf in Virginia the last couple of days, so we got rained out on Sunday.

05:34But most of these hurricanes are hitting the West Coast.

05:37Naples, Fort Myers, Sarasota, and it really didn't, um, affect us that much.

05:43Right.

05:44It spun up in the Gulf of America rather than the Atlantic proper.

05:51It's been an amazing, weird year.

05:54No Atlantic hurricanes.

05:57We had the rare September nor'easter, which is really a hurricane that isn't hurricane category

06:06levels to reach that level.

06:09And then this one that's been up in the Gulf.

06:12And then we got that, uh, tropical storm spun up off California too.

06:19So all a bunch of late stuff.

06:22There's, I, I don't know if it's extra weather we're having or the media just makes such a

06:26big deal out of it.

06:27I, I, I, I know, you know, when there's snow up in New Jersey, it's like a panic.

06:33When we were kids, we had snowball fights.

06:36And when we have something happening in South Florida, the people from New Jersey are always

06:42calling, are you going to be okay?

06:43And I'm like, yeah, you know, yeah, it's not nothing to do with climate scam.

06:49It's all cyclical.

06:51I remember the storm.

06:53I don't remember what it was called in the early 1900s.

06:57Hurricane actually did hit New York.

07:00The big panic over Sandy a few years ago.

07:03It was not unprecedented.

07:06It was just unremembered that it does happen because back in the early 1900s, there was

07:14next to nothing there in New York for it to damage unlike today.

07:19But anyway, you're not here to talk weather.

07:23No, it's not my area of expertise.

07:27So what, well, speaking of spinning up to spin off the weather, what business did you

07:34spin up?

07:36So because I had an accounting background, I, I started an accounting practice with another

07:41guy and then we got involved in wealth management because I, you know, coming from baseball, accounting

07:48can be very boring.

07:49Accounting is boring anyway.

07:50And when you're, when you're out there with, I remember early in my accounting career, when

07:56I came out of baseball, there was one day I was counting hats to verify a client's inventory.

08:01And I'm like, this really is awful.

08:03This is so freaking boring.

08:04And then we got involved in financial planning.

08:08And when we introduced financial planning to our clients, the business just took off.

08:12It went, it went freaking crazy.

08:15And I mean, by the time I retired, we had $900 million under management.

08:19And that's from like client number one, referring to another, never buying a practice, never

08:25merging.

08:25So you were running a Bernie Madoff Ponzi scheme, you're telling me.

08:31He's a bad guy.

08:33It's a joke, people.

08:33It's a joke.

08:34But you know something?

08:36What's not a joke is all the government regulation that that business is under for the government

08:42and all the tips that they had on that, not to uncover that, you know, when they're spending

08:48their time wanting to know if the font size of your disclosure is right and all these forms

08:54that nobody reads.

08:55Well, meanwhile, you know, people are stealing money is, is it's Bernie Madoff crime.

09:01But the fact that regulators didn't pick up on that, that's, that's, that's a big crime

09:05too.

09:06Yeah.

09:06They're, they're busy watching the pennies over there while billions are running out

09:11the back door over there.

09:13Yeah.

09:14Back to what you were saying about accounting.

09:17Parts of it may be boring, but very necessary.

09:20If you don't understand your incomes need to be bigger than your outcomes, you're in trouble.

09:28I think it's a problem in America that a lot of things that should be taught in school,

09:32personal finance, how to run a checkbook, how to do a basic income tax return, how to,

09:37you know, how to calculate a mortgage payment without using AI.

09:41I mean, these things should be taught in the seventh and eighth grade.

09:45And people like me, you know, I mean, I still would have had a very good business, but a lot

09:51of people could have came to me a lot better educated than, than they did.

09:54I'm including doctors and lawyers and like really smart people are just not taught about

09:59personal finances and it shouldn't be.

10:00Yes, absolutely.

10:02I've got articles, I've done shows, school reforms needed.

10:07Yeah.

10:07I grew up in the, uh, born in the sixties.

10:11So I was in high school in the seventies when the department of education was created and the

10:19continual decline of education ever since less and less, uh, the core ours, as we all know

10:28them, I call them the current three new ours, radicalism, raunch and racism through CRT.

10:37They eliminated history and civics and introduced cultural Marxist social studies.

10:45So yeah, I, yeah.

10:47When kids are being taught in school these days, they really need it in our homes because it's,

10:51it's really, um, it's ugly.

10:53It's ugly.

10:55Yeah.

10:56I, I wrote a, a social media post the other day, you know, it's like the old John Lennon

11:04imagined song.

11:06I also have a show on white lion, a group did a song called when the children cry, both

11:13are wonderful, hopeful songs, completely devoid of human nature, reality, right?

11:20Imagine there's no nations, no countries, right?

11:24No, well, we've seen what that's done to Europe and they've already tried to do to us here when

11:31that happens.

11:32And yeah, I would love for everybody to have cradle the grave, no premium, no copays, no

11:40limits, healthcare, but I've got this problem.

11:43I understand math and economics.

11:47Everything.

11:48The thing that they're trying to, their, their ideas just don't work.

11:52That's the problem.

11:53They just don't work.

11:54You know, I've been in recently, my daughter, the one, um, in Vienna has worked for the U S

12:01government in China and I've been to China and I've been to Vietnam.

12:04And when you talk to the Vietnamese people and the Chinese people privately, they'll all

12:09say when their governments opened up the country to being able to own businesses, like they

12:15practice capitalism.

12:16They're people like their first religion over there.

12:19It was the capitalism.

12:20Yes.

12:21Yeah.

12:21And they said, once we're allowed to own our own businesses and that the thing is opened

12:25up, like their life changed overnight and, and, and they were, and I've been to Cuba where

12:30those people are in prison in Cuba.

12:32I mean, those poor people are in prison because it's the government owns everything, controls

12:35everything.

12:36And, and, um, but, but anyway, it's, it, the, the ways that the people here, what they're proposing,

12:42it just doesn't work.

12:43That's the problem.

12:44Well, the Chinese, as you were alluding to, woke up that they need a quasi capitalist society.

12:52You've got to have a golden goose to fleece the golden eggs from.

12:57You can't fleece something from nothing.

13:01They're, they're, they're a big difference.

13:03I mean, this is my perspective of what I saw is it's, they don't believe that people can

13:08self-govern.

13:09They view that their government as being like a parent, if you will.

13:13And, and here, go do your little things, people.

13:16We're going to control what you're allowed to do and not do where, so, so here, if you

13:21criticize the government, you know, there might be some retaliation, but there, if you criticize

13:25the government, you disappear.

13:26Yeah.

13:27But, um, so it's an interesting way of, but they do practice being allowed to have your

13:32own business and, you know, under certain controls, but anyway, but anyway.

13:36Right.

13:37Right.

13:37Yeah.

13:37Well, and we're getting almost more of that here, uh, closer to fascism, you know, calling

13:45everybody a Nazi is fashionable now, but the federal deep state leftist constant piling on

13:55of regulations.

13:56Well, that's no different than communistic ownership of the business.

14:01If you dictate word advisedly what they can and can't do, it's the same as owning it and

14:11operating it.

14:12I agree.

14:12And you're going to start seeing it right now with artificial intelligence too.

14:16I mean, that's the next frontier, so to speak.

14:19Which is why I'm always for deregulation, removing restrictions, and this show,

14:26Christitutionalists, all about biblical community, God-given free will, who want to be our brother's

14:35keeper, and charity voluntarily coming and going and joining groups, not worldly communism

14:46by force, you shall do this, you must do this, no choice in that.

14:52There was a big difference in that, but let's go back to baseball.

14:58Sure, let's go back to baseball.

15:00The playoffs are on now.

15:02Are you paying any attention to them?

15:05I, I still, I mean, baseball is like my first love, uh, like, I, I love, I love the game

15:12of baseball.

15:13I was watching, I had that flight from Virginia.

15:15I watched the Brewers-Dodgers game on, on the plane, and that looked like a really good

15:20game.

15:21The problem with living on the East Coast is these games start late, and, and you're in

15:26bed if you, you know, if you get up early the next day.

15:28So the, the Cleveland-Tampa game, I, I didn't get to see.

15:32Um, but, but, um, I, I love the playoffs in baseball.

15:35I love the World Series.

15:36You know, managing money all these years when the playoffs would take place, all my clients

15:40would call, asking about a call in a baseball game rather than about the stock market or

15:44something like that.

15:45Yeah, I, yeah, I hear you.

15:46That's how passionate people are.

15:47I, you know, I watched a bit of the Dodgers-Brewers game the other day because Scooble, former

15:55Tiger, out there now pitching.

15:59So I watched while he was pitching and they were behind when I gave up on that game.

16:05So I don't know how it turned out.

16:07Uh, but other than that, eh.

16:11Yeah, I, I'm a, I'm a, I'm a big New York, I'm a low life New York Jets fan.

16:17So we've had it pretty bad for a long time.

16:19Uh, so I, I followed the New York Jets pretty closely, but baseball, baseball, because I was

16:25an umpire, I'm a fan of the game itself.

16:27I could watch a Little League game, a game from the Dominican Republic that like the

16:32game itself, like I, like when I was done umpiring, I coached a high school team for

16:36several years.

16:37I played adult baseball.

16:39Like I'm a baseball junkie.

16:40I, I, if you watch a game with me, you can see things from, you know, when there's a ball

16:44hit down the left field line, I know where everybody's supposed to go.

16:47I know where the umpires are supposed to go.

16:49Um, you know, I, I can tell you what everybody in the field should be doing.

16:53So, uh, yeah, I just love the game.

16:55I really, I hear you.

16:56I'm a big NHL watcher because I played, played hockey growing up.

17:03I officiated, I coached for years.

17:05So yeah, I, I hear where you're coming from.

17:09Uh, it's like, uh, I'm not a big Bruce Spring stink as I call him fan, but his glory day

17:17song,

17:18absolutely brilliant.

17:19Most people grew up playing something as, as, as a child, and we all kind of have our glory

17:28day story.

17:30And so let me ask, but so let me ask you, do you indeed have a glory days story you

17:40like

17:40to recall?

17:41Oh, from, from baseball or from, uh, from, from baseball, I would say, however you want

17:48to interpret that.

17:49I mean, there's so many things that good happened to me in baseball.

17:53I, I can remember like from my umpiring days, I remember when I was promoted to triple A

17:58walking out on the field and thinking I'm now one step away from the major leagues.

18:02And, and that really became a reality.

18:05There's 30,000 people in Louisville, Kentucky, and I'm one step away from the major leagues.

18:10Then when I had my first major league spring training game, I had the Cardinals and the

18:14Phillies and I'm, and, and I'm 30 years of age and I'm looking at Steve Carlton was the

18:19first pitcher I ever called balls and strikes for.

18:21And, um, when I was a kid, I was 22 years old.

18:25I am part of the hall of fame game in Cooperstown, New York.

18:27I met at home plate, but the lineup cards, I met Mel Allen, the Yankee broadcaster.

18:32Um, Stan Musial was at home plate, uh, Johnny Mize.

18:37Um, I, I, I, uh, I met Ted Williams.

18:41I talked to Ted Williams about the strike zone for 30 minutes and my new show.

18:45So I, I, I mean, I, I, I was, um, uh, crew chief of the West Palm beach instructional league.

18:53And I remember when I was given the assignment, the head of the umpire development program said,

18:57you're going to have weekly meetings with the farm director for the Braves and all the

19:02managers.

19:03And I'm like, well, that's never happened before.

19:04He goes, yeah, it's a new thing.

19:07We're expecting, experimenting.

19:08And I said, well, who's the farm director that I'm going to be meeting with every week?

19:12And he goes, Hank Aaron.

19:13And I go, I'm going to be having weekly meetings with Hank Aaron.

19:16And he goes, yeah.

19:17Wow.

19:18He turned out to be a pretty cool guy.

19:20Um, was very insightful.

19:22So, I mean, I have a lot of, a lot of great, well, I wrote a book.

19:26I have a lot of great baseball stories.

19:28Um, and then, and then when I got into business, you know, a year after being released from

19:33baseball, um, I studied, I I'm telling you, uh, Joseph, I studied my butt off for the CPA

19:40exam.

19:41And, um, and I studied for three months.

19:43And I remember the day of the exam, I went to start my car and my low coming out of

19:48baseball

19:49as I left the lights on in my car when I was driving to the CPA exam.

19:52And I had to knock on doors and I finally got a ride to the exam.

19:56And two months later, I found out that I passed all four parts in one sitting.

20:00So from being fired in baseball till, you know, a year later, having passed all four, four,

20:07four parts of the CPA exam was, uh, it kind of like, let me know my life's not going to

20:12stink hopefully from this point forward.

20:14Yeah.

20:15Well, I didn't necessarily bring you to keep talking baseball, but since we're, since we're

20:21in the playoffs and this show will likely drop on the 17th, playoffs will still be going.

20:29Let me pivot to the new rules.

20:32I love the pitch clock.

20:34It has made baseball on TV bearable again.

20:40Yes.

20:40The games are, you know, I, I always said, I hope this comes out the right way.

20:45A major league baseball game should take no more than two and a half hours.

20:49A game of golf should take no longer than three hours and 15 minutes.

20:53And the Catholic mass shouldn't go more than 45 minutes.

20:55Like there's certain things that have, you know, set time limits is the way they should

21:00go.

21:01And a baseball game, unless it goes into extra innings, like these games that we're going

21:06four hours and the Yankees, Red Sox and people stepping out of the box and changing pictures

21:11every two seconds.

21:12So I think the way the game is sped up is very good.

21:15I agree with you a hundred percent there.

21:17Yeah.

21:17Are there any rules or what do you think as an umpire of the, uh, what the hell do they

21:25call this?

21:26Yes.

21:26You knew where I was going.

21:28Sure.

21:29ABS stands for?

21:31Automatic ball strike system.

21:33Okay.

21:34So I, I, I like it and I think it's good for the game.

21:37The only problem with it is that it's wrong.

21:40And how can I possibly say that when a computer's calling it is because according to the rules

21:46of baseball, any part of the ball and any part of the strike zone makes it a strike by

21:50definition.

21:52And home plate is a five-sided slab and it only takes the measurement from a linear point

21:58of view in the middle of home plate.

22:00So a pitch that enters the beginning of the strike zone, went through the bottom of it would

22:04register as a ball.

22:06Well, curve balls can hit part of the strike zone and not hit that.

22:10So I, I hear you.

22:12They need more HD cameras to make it a 3D rendering of the entire zone to get it right.

22:22And the umpires, when they're graded, and again, a lot of major league umpires are friends

22:26of mine, because given my background that I, you know, a lot of them became clients of

22:31mine, um, they get graded on a different system than the ABS system.

22:36It's just the technology is not quite there to have it reliable all the time.

22:41It'll ultimately get there.

22:42So, so the system is wrong.

22:44But the problem I have with the technology is not what you may think.

22:49The, the problem that we have, and it's an unintended consequence of instant replay is

22:54not in major league baseball.

22:56It's an amateur sports in that if you could tell on your phone, if somebody safer out or

23:01a ball or strike, when little Johnny's playing in a, in a youth league game, and there's a

23:0715 year old kid umpire in the game, the lack of tolerance people have for officials or hockey

23:13game, whatever, like officials are being assaulted physically and verbally, and games are getting

23:20canceled.

23:20And it's a huge problem in our country, uh, for a host of reasons, though, you know, officiating

23:26again, I officiated my way through college, you know, it was a great part time job.

23:31Now, you know, you can't get people to officiate a hockey game or a football game.

23:37And, and, and that's the unintended consequence of instant replay.

23:42And, yeah, I, I can hear you on that.

23:46It's, uh, our, our patients, this show talks all the time, you know, uh, the, the human

23:57nature point of we are all human and frail and flawed and imperfect and the need for grace

24:06we're gonna muck up at times.

24:10We're gonna make a mistake.

24:12And the other side of that is we've got to be willing to say, if we discover we made a

24:18mistake, oops, I erred.

24:22Sorry.

24:23Didn't intend it.

24:25A hundred percent.

24:26A hundred percent.

24:26As you know, they crucified the last guy that was perfect.

24:29Yeah.

24:31None of these people, you know, I am a founding member of the world.

24:36I'm a member of a group that's trying to do something about it.

24:39Um, the amateur sports official Alliance, where we're trying to protect kids that are

24:43officiating sports and try to advocate for them.

24:46It's a new, it's a new charity that we're forming, but we're trying to, you know, and,

24:52and I'm trying to make the point to people that, you know, in professional sports or at

24:57the D one level of college sports, I think arguments are part of the game.

25:02Like people like that and it, but it is part of the game, but it's not part of the game

25:08at the youth level.

25:09And, and you need somebody to step up to the plate and, and delineate that.

25:14Unintended.

25:15Yeah.

25:16You, you, you, you, you, you, you pun intended that somebody needs to say something.

25:21And, and I'm for people that are like, uh, umpire or referee baiters trying to make the

25:26point that you, you guys shouldn't be doing this at that level.

25:29But anyway, that's, that's my song and dance on that issue.

25:34Okay.

25:34So back to business then, I guess, uh, I don't know where to go with that.

25:45What, what would you like me to ask?

25:48Well, we start, you know, part of the reason why I wrote the book is, is we started the

25:54business with my partner and I with no money.

25:56We borrowed on credit cards.

25:57And that sounds like an insane thing for somebody that's a CPA to do.

26:02Like you're borrowing on credit cards.

26:04That's the dumbest thing I ever heard of.

26:06And what we did and what I would encourage anybody to do, that's trying to go into the

26:10business or reinvent their career, remodel a house, whatever, is to try and make a plan

26:16and, and outline things in a spreadsheet or use an AI of, of, with math of what your vision

26:22is.

26:23Um, if you want to go into business, put in math, what do you think the next five years

26:27are going to look like from an income point of view, expense point of view, you, you,

26:32utilizing best and worst case scenarios.

26:35And when people put that down, they write that down.

26:37It helps them make good decisions.

26:39And that's what we did.

26:41We, we took on the risk, um, of borrowing on credit cards and, and we figured out if we

26:47could pick up one client a month for the next two years, we would start, we would start to

26:51become profitable and do well.

26:53And so that those goals were really easy to achieve.

26:56And then we were off to the races.

26:58And then after 10 years, my partner and I did not need each other.

27:01We had a couple of minor philosophical differences.

27:03So we went our separate ways and I formed my own business and he formed his own business.

27:09So, um, and we're friends to this day.

27:11It was an amicable split.

27:12We just didn't need each other anymore.

27:14And, um, so, so, you know, making a plan with math is, is something I would recommend

27:20to a lot of people if, if they're trying to do certain things.

27:23Now, I didn't see in the notes because in part I'm lazy, but the reality is I choose

27:32not to learn a lot about the guests that's going to come on because I want to discover

27:39and have natural conversation with you just as the audience would discover.

27:45Now you mentioned book.

27:47We talking literal or figurative here.

27:50I didn't see anything about you offering a book.

27:52So, so at the end of my career, when I sold the business to two of our employees and

27:58I thought I was going to be needed more by our clients.

28:01And then, and fortunately the two guys taking over did a great job.

28:04So I became very bored and I had an idea to write a book and, um, about being in baseball

28:11and then transitioning into business.

28:13I got the idea for a book.

28:15I don't remember who wrote it, but I read, wrote a, read a book by some billionaire about

28:20how he became a billionaire and I thought it was very boring.

28:22And I was like, my story is a lot more interesting with the people I've met throwing people out

28:27of games.

28:27And, you know, how do you start a business with no money and then grow it to what we

28:31grew it to, um, and, and being able to be spiritual and, you know, finding value in

28:38family, like I thought the public might benefit from that.

28:42So I wrote the book and it's called too smart to be an umpire.

28:46And it's called that because that's what my last year in baseball, Dick Butler, who was

28:51supervisor from the American league, saw me work.

28:54And I asked him for an evaluation and he said, well, Jack, this is at the old Rosenblatt

29:00stadium in Omaha, Nebraska, where they played the college world series, the Omaha Royals

29:03triple-A team were playing.

29:05He goes, well, Jack, I think you call a really good game.

29:07He goes, I only disagreed with one pitch.

29:09He goes, to be honest with you, I think you're too smart to be an umpire.

29:14I love when offhand comments turn into something like that.

29:19Like in my ex-bio, uh, a conversation with Grok AI, he said, uh, uh, I forget what it

29:31exactly says in the bio now, high, high chaos, zero malice.

29:37So I quote Grok in my ex-profile.

29:42Yeah.

29:42Some, somewhat, someone would consider a throw away line.

29:49Right.

29:50You can build on.

29:51Yeah.

29:51And when I wrote it, the editor or the publisher and the editor went, by the way, that's the

29:56title of your book right there.

29:57And I, I don't want that to be that all these umpires are going to think that I really mean

30:00that.

30:01And, you know, there's so much self-deprecation.

30:04What an ego on this guy.

30:06Right, right, right, right.

30:07And that's what people are going to think that don't read it or don't read the reviews.

30:10So, so, you know, you can't fight that.

30:12But anyway, um, the book became an Amazon top 10 bestseller in its category.

30:18So, um, I'm very happy with how it turned out.

30:20I don't think I'll write another one because it took a lot out of me to do, but, uh, but

30:25it was, um, it, it, it, it tells this whole story of, of reinventing yourself.

30:31You know, I've been on both sides of capitalism.

30:33You know, when, when I was in baseball, um, in my last year in AAA, um, my last year in

30:41AAA, Joe, so I made $8,500.

30:44And that was for 144 game season, playoffs, spring training, there were eight teams in

30:50our league.

30:50People even look this up too, if they don't believe me, Louisville and Buffalo drew over

30:54a million fans.

30:55And I was in the top hundred in my profession.

30:57And I remember my wife and I were applying for a mortgage and the mortgage broker said

31:02to my wife, Eileen, I just need the rest of Jack's income.

31:04I only have this $8,500.

31:06She goes, that's it.

31:07And he goes, I thought he was in professional baseball.

31:09And she goes, yeah, that's so I learned to take care of people.

31:12When I had my own business, I paid them well, uh, full medical pension, um, quantified bonus

31:18programs.

31:19I sold them the business when I went to retire, because I believed if I took care of my employees,

31:24my employees would take care of the clients.

31:26That's exactly what happened.

31:28And we built a really nice thing.

31:30And I learned it not from business school, but I learned it in baseball.

31:34You know, all these, I learned so many things as an umpire, professional baseball that

31:38I translated to business that other people thought I was crazy to be doing, you know?

31:44So, so anyway, but I hear you in my constitutionalist politics series of books, uh, I've got chapters

31:53on hubris and there was a time I was looking at maybe releasing a book, the gospel according

32:00to Joe, you know, tongue in cheek, but of course it never happened because people would indeed

32:09lose their freaking minds.

32:13Right, right, right.

32:14You might need quotation marks in the gospel.

32:19It's like one of my favorite Christian movies is the resurrection of Gavin Stone.

32:27Okay.

32:29People, oh my God!

32:32Yeah, yeah, yeah.

32:33It's a figurative spiritual resurrection, not a literal one.

32:39It's like people, can we-

32:41People need to loosen up.

32:42Yes, loosen up, gain some perspective, get a sense of humor, understand we need to preach

32:49outside the choir.

32:51And to do that, a great comedy movie called The Resurrection of Gavin Stone can reach people

33:00that, uh, that Ben-Hur isn't gonna.

33:05You know, one thing I can compare my faith to in baseball to, in baseball, you're dealing

33:10with a very poorly written and an ambiguous rule book.

33:13So as an umpire, you have to look at the spirit and intent of the rules.

33:16And as a Christian, I think it's important to look at the spirit and intent of, of what

33:21is written.

33:22There's one thing I did.

33:23I set out, I set out one year as a New Year's resolution to read the New Testament and I

33:28didn't do it.

33:29And then I decided to do the audio version and I did the audio version in three weeks.

33:33It was only 17 hours.

33:34And then I decided to go for the whole thing, go for the whole Bible, which I knocked out

33:39was 83 hours of listening.

33:41I did the entire Bible.

33:43And when you do the entire Bible, okay, you get a different perspective because when you're

33:48in church, you're getting a verse here and there's John 3, 16, the 23rd Psalm.

33:52But when you're going through the whole Bible at once, you're getting a different perspective

33:58on, on things.

33:59And you kind of get the spirit and intent of what certain things were.

34:04Yeah, I hear you.

34:05I'm preaching all the time on this show, the whole Bible in full context.

34:12Well, for example, turn your sword into a plowshare versus the, those who have a garment, let

34:23them sell it, buy a sword and learn to use it.

34:27Those two aren't contradictory.

34:29They are contextual depending on a situation and a time.

34:35And you have to understand it all to grasp the context there.

34:43The more people get into it, I think the more their faith would grow.

34:46I do.

34:47The more evidence you see, the more people, their faith would grow.

34:51That's my opinion.

34:53And anyway.

34:56Well, we're going to go ahead and wrap it up with that.

35:00Do you have a website for people to find you?

35:03Sure.

35:04They can go on.

35:05The name of the book, Too Smart to Be an Umpire is twosmarttobeanumpire.com.

35:10There's a lot of information where they can buy the book or about the book.

35:13And they go on Amazon if they want to buy it.

35:15And there's tons of reviews on there.

35:17And my name, Jack Ojo, O-U-J-O, Ojo Wealth Strategies, if they want information on the

35:22business, they can go on there.

35:24But there aren't too many Ojos in the world, so I'm easy to find.

35:28Right.

35:28Yeah.

35:29Remember, Ouija without the I.

35:32Right.

35:32Exactly.

35:34John McSherry would be very proud of you right now.

35:39Oh, thanks, Jack, for coming on.

35:41I appreciate it.

35:42Sure, Joe.

35:43I could have spoken to you for hours.

35:44I had a lot of fun.

35:45And I find that to be true with every guest.

35:48Indeed.

35:49It's like, if it were a three-hour show, nobody'd listen.

35:54That's right.

35:55That's right.

35:55Too long, right?

35:57I've got a song.

35:59In fact, that will be what I tack on the end now.

36:03I've got a song I created, TLDR, the acronym, Too Long Didn't Read.

36:09Today's Twitter attention spans.

36:12Everybody just watched the brief headline, even though the devil is in the details, and the facts might be buried

36:21in paragraph 10.

36:22If you don't get down to paragraph 10, you're clueless.

36:28100%.

36:28Well, great speaking to you.

36:30All right.

36:30Take care.

36:31God bless.

36:32All right.

36:32God bless.

37:01T-T-T-T-L-D-R

37:03They ignorant, wonder why.

37:05T-L-D-R

37:06Too long, didn't read.

37:07You skip the truth and swallow the spin they feed.

37:10T-L-D-R

37:11Too lazy to see.

37:12Now you're lost in delusion.

37:14But that's on you, not me.

37:16I ain't here to spoon feed the choir.

37:18I'm here where the lazy hot setting shit on fire.

37:20Details matter.

37:21Context matters.

37:22History too.

37:23If you gloss over it all, that's on you.

37:28Yeah.

37:30I coined it myself.

37:32Twitter, TikTok, attention span.

37:33Now even I catch myself saying, damn, this is long, man.

37:36But I push through cause I know the devil's in the details.

37:39You skip them and you end up believing all the fake headlines.

37:42I shortened chapters in my books.

37:43Cut the story link.

37:44Cause 99% won't read if it ain't short and clean.

37:47Even wrote a whole CTP episode back in December 2025.

37:50Caught it D-L-D-R

37:53And here we are still barely alive.

37:56T-L-D-R

37:57You long didn't read.

37:59You skip the truth and swallow the spin they feed.

38:01T-L-D-R

38:02Too lazy to see.

38:04Now you're lost in delusion.

38:05But that's on you, not me.

38:07I ain't here to spoon feed the choir.

38:09I'm here where the lazy hot setting shit on fire.

38:12Details matter.

38:13Context matters.

38:14Legalities too.

38:15If you gloss over the T-O-S language, that's on you.

38:19Mass-hoes.

38:22Mass-hoes.

38:23Mass-hoes.

38:23Masses of the asses, clueless and proud.

38:26Falling for the dumb and down, screaming loud.

38:28Fake news, berries, facts, ten paragraphs deep.

38:31While you're swiping up, thinking you're informed, but you're asleep.

38:33You want the bullet points, the 15 second clip.

38:36But reality don't come, inconvenient little scripts.

38:38Trust but verify, Reagan tried to teach.

38:40But you'd rather stay dumb than practice what you preach.

38:43This ain't hate, this is tough, love straight, no chaser.

38:46I made this song to be the mirror, not the eraser.

38:48Even this episode, I kept short on purpose.

38:51So you have no excuse, but still some won't surface.

38:54Details matter, facts matter, context ties are tight.

38:56Skip them at your own risk.

38:57Stay lost in the night from software.

38:59Terms of border, face to welfare lies.

39:01If you won't read the fine print, enjoy the surprise.

39:06D-L-D-R.

39:07Too long, didn't read.

39:09You skipped the truth and swallowed every lie they feed.

39:11D-L-D-R.

39:12Too lazy to see reality over delusion, that's the key.

39:16I ain't here just for the choir.

39:18I'm here where the hurt and the lazy hide.

39:22Details matter, every single line.

39:24If you won't read or listen, then stay blind.

39:28Yeah.

39:29D-L-D-R.

39:31Too long, didn't read.

39:34But this song's over now.

39:36Still too long for some of y'all.

39:38I bet.

39:39D-L-D-R.

39:40C-T-P.

39:41Dismember 2025.

39:44T-L-D-R.

39:45Dismember 2025.

39:45Episode.

39:46Called it first.

39:47Now it's a song.

39:49Cause the crisis only got worse.

39:53And like clickbait everywhere tune outlines.

39:56Observe.

39:58Take the time.

40:00Absurd.

40:01Choose reality over delusion.

40:04Details matter.

40:06Read the damn thing.

40:24The recent movie story said you don't have to be nice.

40:30But if you say you're a good one.

40:33But if you say you're a good one.

40:33You ought to back it up.

40:35At least twice.

40:36Out on the street.

40:38In the checkout line.

40:39With the kid in the car.

40:41And the clerk on shift.

40:42Goodness is in the line you quote.

40:46Is how you carry the lift.

40:50So be nice.

40:51If you're calling yourself good.

40:54Hold the door.

40:55Say your peace.

40:55Treat folks like you should.

40:57But it doesn't cost much.

40:59Just a little respect.

41:00Be nice while you're here.

41:02It's the best thing.

41:04Yeah.

41:08It's the best thing.

41:10Yeah.

41:18I've seen it in the small stuff.

41:20The coffee left on the counter by 8.

41:24The text, the text that says I'm running late.

41:27And still shows up straight.

41:30No metal for the easy move.

41:34No badge for the polished grin.

41:37Just a way to leave a room better.

41:40Than the way you walked in.

41:44So be nice.

41:45If you're calling yourself good.

41:47Hold the door.

41:48Say your peace.

41:49Treat folks like you should.

41:51It doesn't cost much.

41:52Just a little respect.

41:54Be nice while you're here.

41:56It's the best thing.

41:57Yeah.

42:02It's the best thing.

42:04Yeah.

42:14It's the best thing.

42:17Yeah.

42:18But real life keeps asking.

42:21What you're willing to say.

42:54So be nice.

42:54Be nice.

42:55If you claim goodness.

42:56Cost nothing to share.

42:58A smile.

43:00Be nice while you're here.

43:03Be nice while you're here.

43:09That's the best thing.

43:11Yeah.

43:31The life and living series.

43:34Five standalone stories.

43:36Read them in any order.

43:38by Joseph M. Leonard.

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