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Tinatalakay ngayon sa impeachment proceedings ang unexplained wealth umano ni Vice President Sara Duterte. Dito, napag-usapan ang mga transaction report ng bise at ni Atty. Mans Carpio. ON RECORD SA UNANG HIRIT na nilinaw ang mga nangyayari ngayon sa impeachment trial kasama ang National President ng Integrated Bar of the Philippines na si Atty. Allan Panolong.
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00:00This is not absolute.
00:01Alam niyo po, mas mataas kasi yung public interest over the privacy of an individual.
00:05Lalo na if patungkol sa public accountability and less yung accusation against her.
00:11She has to come out and clear her name.
00:14Kami po sa Integrated Bar of the Philippines, nilalaban namin yung integrity, yung superiority ng Constitution.
00:22So we don't take sides.
00:28Pilipinas, gising na.
00:30Day 34 na po kahapon ng impeachment trial ni Vice President Sara Duterte.
00:36At kasamay niya, nagkaroon ng press conference ang vice at sinagot ang mga aligasyon ni Rodolfo Gracioso Jr.
00:42ang nagpakilala dating tauhan ni former House Speaker Lord Alan Velasco.
00:47Ano ba masasabi ng mga kababayan natin sa mga issue nito?
00:50Doon natin nakita kung gano'n ba kalala yung pagsisinungaling.
00:54Mayroon siya mga hindi din i-clear na turns out pagmamayari pa.
00:58I'd say po it's a little bit suspicious po.
01:01And nakapagtaka naman din po yung mga transaction na like how these people would get away po.
01:07Parang hindi naman po ako naniniwala sa ini-issue kay Sara.
01:15Yan ang ating pag-uusapan, lilinawin at hihimayin.
01:18On record sa unang hirin.
01:22At ngayong umaga, makasama po natin,
01:24Attorney Alan Panolong, National President ng Integrated Bar of the Philippines.
01:28Attorney Panolong, sir, thank you for joining us. Good morning.
01:31Good morning. Thank you also, Ivan, for inviting me here today.
01:34Attorney, we are on record now.
01:36Bago po natin pag-uusapan yung mga terminong narinig natin pa ulit-ulit in the last two days sa impeachment
01:41trial,
01:42paki-update nga po muna yung mga kababayan natin para may kontekso lang usapan natin.
01:47Ang mga pinag-uusapan po dito yung kaugnay sa unexplained wealth ng BSE.
01:52Tama po?
01:53Ano po yung naging direksyon in the last two days?
01:55Okay. So, in the last two days po, patuloy pa rin ang Senate impeachment trial doon sa Article 2.
02:01Ito po yung unexplained wealth at failure to declare some assets in the statement of assets, liabilities, and that's worth.
02:10So, in the previous two days, meron pong very important na witness na in-present ang ating prosecution.
02:18Yung po si Attorney Ronell Buenaventura, the Executive Director of the Anti-Money Laundering Council.
02:26So, basically, yung kanyang testimony centered on the covert transactions report at saka yung suspicious transaction reports doon sa mga
02:34accounts owned by the Dutertes.
02:37So, lumalabas doon na according to his testimony, is that merong 4.4 billion pesos na transactions.
02:47Okay. So, from 2007?
02:512007, yes. Bago naging Vice President si Sara Duterte.
02:55At meron din mga essential informations na binanggit.
03:02Halimbawa, yung 300 million pesos foreign inward remittance doon sa account ng Kali 88,
03:10which is, according to the report, 47% of the shareholders is owned by Attorney Man Scarpio, yung asawa po
03:18ng Vice President.
03:19At meron din pong isang, one of the most essential informations, yung napakalaking withdrawal,
03:26yung isang mga bigger withdrawals in a single day, no?
03:31By Attorney Man Scarpio doon yung 41 million, among other things po.
03:35Okay. Bago isa-isain po natin yung mga nabanggitin nyo, no?
03:39Dalawang araw nga po sumalang ang jepe ng Anti-Money Laundering Council.
03:43Paliwanag muna natin sa mga kababayan natin, ano ba itong money laundering?
03:47Ang alam nila, laundry siguro, laba. Nilalaban ba ang pera?
03:50Parang actually, no, kung if you take it literally, parang gano'n na nga, no?
03:54According nga doon sa isang senator judge na nag-explain, sabi niya, yung maruming pera, nililinis.
03:59So under the RA 9168, ito yung batas, creating the Anti-Money Laundering Council,
04:06then they find yung money laundering as a crime na kung saan ito ay proceeds from illegal activity.
04:13So ano yung mga illegal activity or unlawful activity?
04:16Ito po yung graph cases, corruption, plunder, or proceeds from drug trafficking.
04:23Na kung saan itong pera are transacted to make it appear na ito ay isang legal or lawful or from
04:31legitimate source.
04:31Ibig sabihin, tulad nung sinabi ko, ito yung, in layman's term, maruming pera, nilinis.
04:38Okay. Bakit ito mahalaga ito sa usapan sa umano yung unexplained wealth ni VP, Sarah?
04:44Napakahalaga ito dahil ang prosecution, gusto nilang patunayan na yung covert transaction support at saka suspicious transaction report,
04:52ito yung baseline nila to determine whether or not nagtutugma ba yung declaration ng Vice President
04:58sa kanyang statement of assets, liabilities, and network on the basis doon sa cash flow doon sa kanilang mga accounts,
05:06yung joint accounts with her father, the former President, at yung mga accounts also owned by her husband,
05:14the 30-month carpio. So, tinitingnan yun. So, yun ang gustong i-prove ng prosecution.
05:19Teka muna, malaking pera dito. Bakit sa statement of assets and liabilities?
05:24If you take note, Ivan, merong ang pinakita na merong isang sal-end na kung saan wala siyang declared cash.
05:33Right.
05:33Yung cash on hand.
05:35So, yun yung gusto patunayan ng...
05:36Yun ang tinutubok ng prosecution.
05:38Yes.
05:38Okay. Attorney, nabanggit nyo na yung mga termino.
05:40Suspicious transaction report, covered transaction report.
05:43Sabi na Amlak, hindi naman porket may ganito,
05:47ibig sabihin may unlawful activity na.
05:49One does not necessarily indicate the other.
05:53Please explain to us kung gano'n naman talaga,
05:56bakit pa natin ito pinag-uusapan?
05:57Tama po. Una is, paghambingin muna natin yung covered transactions report
06:02at saka suspicious transaction report.
06:04Ayon sa AMLA law, yung covered transactions report,
06:07ito yung mga deposits of more than 500,000 pesos in a single day.
06:12So, ibig sabihin, pag yung isang account may deposit na more than 500,000 pesos in a single day,
06:19automatically, the bank has to notify the Amlak.
06:24So, ano yung suspicious transactions report?
06:27Magkaiba ito.
06:27Yung suspicious transaction report,
06:29pwedeng maliit yung perang involved.
06:32And merong suspicion na itong account is probably,
06:37halimbawa, let us say for instance,
06:39it's below 500,000 pesos.
06:42It's even 200,000 pesos.
06:45Wala pong maliwanag na dahilan kung bakit magkaroon ng deposit
06:48dahil walang legal obligation,
06:50walang economic justification,
06:52or walang commercial,
06:53or walang global purpose.
06:55So, these deposits were made every day.
06:59Halimbawa, 200,000 every day.
07:01So that it will not be under covered transactions.
07:04Hindi siya may report.
07:05Yes, yes.
07:06So, yun yung mga very unusual.
07:09Kahinahinala.
07:09Yes, kahinahinala.
07:11And sometimes, may information din ang bank
07:15na pwedeng tied up ito with a suspicious personalities.
07:20Yung mga ganun.
07:21So, yun po ang kahibahan noon.
07:23Okay.
07:24Usap-usapan naman dyan,
07:26kawag na iyan, attorney,
07:27yung posibleng violation ng Anti-Money Laundering Act.
07:30Yung tinutukoy po yung promisyon ng confidentiality.
07:33Kasi ang sinasabi,
07:35on one hand,
07:37gusto natin malaman kung nagkaroon nga ng violation.
07:41Kasi gusto natin ma-transparency
07:43from a public official.
07:45Pero,
07:47bawal bang isiwalat yung ganitong informasyon
07:49na pinupunto naman ng depensa?
07:51As a rule po,
07:52nasa AMLOC law yun,
07:53yung employees or public servants from the AMLC,
07:57they are prohibited from disclosing
07:59any of these informations.
08:03Yesterday po,
08:06ako mismo,
08:07panood ko yung,
08:08when attorney Ronel Benaventura,
08:10yung executive director ng AMLOC,
08:12was asked,
08:13ito ba ay absolute?
08:14Ang sagot niya, hindi.
08:15Not absolute.
08:16Yes.
08:17So, may mga sitwasyon na pwedeng isiwalat.
08:18So, may mga sitwasyon po na pwedeng isiwalat.
08:20Halimbawa, sabi niya,
08:21meron kami may suspicious transactions.
08:23We need the cooperation of certain agencies like,
08:26halimbawa,
08:27ang Bureau of Internal Revenue,
08:28ang National Bureau of Investigation,
08:30ang Securities and Exchange Commission.
08:33Necessarily,
08:34masasabi namin o mababanggit namin
08:36yung account na yun
08:38na aming subject for investigation.
08:41So, this is not absolute.
08:43Secondly, sabi niya,
08:44according to him,
08:46in this case,
08:47kung merong court,
08:49court proceeding.
08:50Oh, yeah.
08:51So, alam niyo po,
08:52mas mataas kasi yung public interest
08:54over the privacy of an individual,
08:56lalo na if patungkol sa public accountability.
08:59Dahil ang interest ng buong bansa,
09:03ang nakasalalay dito,
09:04hindi lamang yung interest ng iilan.
09:07Okay.
09:07So, kaya sabi nga ni,
09:08sabi nga, no,
09:09which I agree,
09:11that this is not absolute.
09:13And secondly,
09:14ito po ay settled na po
09:15sa napakaraming desisyon
09:17ng subcorte suprema.
09:18Okay.
09:19Nabanggit din, attorney,
09:20sa hearing,
09:21yung mga China-linked transactions
09:22sa isa sa mga kumpanya.
09:24Yung nabanggit niyo kanina,
09:25inuugnay kay attorney Manscarpio.
09:27Bakit kailangan busisiin
09:29yung mga ganitong transactions?
09:30Sa totoo lang po,
09:31napaka-seryosong information yun.
09:34Dahil, unang-una,
09:35according doon nga sa testimony,
09:40itong company are from China
09:42or state-link
09:43or commercial companies.
09:45So, alam naman po natin
09:46kung ano yung ating relasyon
09:49with our neighbor.
09:53And considering that
09:56itong transaction na ito
09:58is with the husband,
10:00hasawan ng pangalawang pangulo.
10:03So, napaka-importante ito.
10:05Napaka-talagang...
10:07May nakasabi ko,
10:07this is a matter of national interest.
10:09Do you agree?
10:10I agree.
10:11So, kinakailangan pong...
10:13Ito yung nararapat na kinakailangan
10:14ipaliwanag ito ng vice president.
10:16Bakit may ganitong transactions?
10:18Kasi,
10:19ang at stake dito,
10:20not only national interest,
10:22but national security.
10:23Yun yung pananaw ng karamihan.
10:25Yes.
10:25So, I shared the same view.
10:28Kailangan maipaliwanag
10:29bakit po merong
10:30foreign inward remittances
10:32doon sa Kali 88.
10:34O, o po.
10:35Kasabay ng impeachment trial,
10:36nagkaroon naman ng press briefing
10:37si VP Sara
10:38para sagutin yung mga allegasyon naman
10:40ni dating police officer
10:42Rodulfo Gracioso.
10:44Marain po yung pagtanggi niya eh.
10:46Bagamat technically,
10:47hindi naman ito magagamit
10:48sa impeachment trial attorney, no?
10:49Pero ano ba ang efekto nito
10:51sa imahe ng bisya sa publiko
10:52kung meron man?
10:54Ang sabi kasi nila,
10:55this is all about 2028.
10:56Well, ang lumalabas is
10:59parang endless yung accusation eh
11:02against her, no?
11:04So, tingin ko din
11:05yung nangyaring press con kahapon,
11:07nararapat din na
11:10timely, i-address niya yung issue.
11:12Kasi nga, gaya na nabagit ko,
11:15nililitis na siya
11:15for an impeachment
11:18articles, no?
11:19Yung proceeding.
11:20And yet,
11:21hindi pa ito kasama doon
11:22sa impeachment,
11:23articles of impeachment.
11:24Meron pang another allegation.
11:26So,
11:27she has to come out
11:28and clear her name, no?
11:30Kasi alam naman natin,
11:322020 is very,
11:33it's just around the corner, no?
11:35So,
11:35very important on her part.
11:37But on the other hand,
11:39for the public,
11:41parang tila,
11:41teka muna,
11:42bakit hindi matapos-tapos
11:43itong mga allegasyon?
11:44Although,
11:45it remains an allegation
11:46because
11:47hindi pa naman ito
11:48napapatanoyan sa korte,
11:49but, you know,
11:50pag may allegations,
11:51kaila,
11:52lalo na, no?
11:52Yung,
11:53especially so that
11:54in the light of the circumstances
11:55right now,
11:56na maraming allegations
11:57of the corruptions, no?
11:58Yung mga deliveries
11:59of maleta,
12:00mga ganon,
12:01eh,
12:01talagang napakatindi.
12:04Matanong ko na rin,
12:04attorney,
12:05where does the IBP
12:06stand in all of this?
12:07Kami po sa Integrated Bar
12:09of the Philippines
12:10ay nagmamasid po kami, no?
12:12Tinitingnan po namin
12:13kung ano yung pangyayari
12:14at, of course,
12:16we do not condone
12:17kung ano man yung
12:21breaches against
12:22our constitution, no?
12:23So, alam mo ko,
12:25kami yung institution
12:25na nilalaban namin
12:27yung integrity,
12:29yung superiority
12:30ng constitution.
12:31So, we don't take sides.
12:33We just give our fair
12:34and objective view
12:35of the circumstances.
12:36So, kung kailangan,
12:37kinakailangan namin magsalita,
12:38magsasalita kami.
12:39Attorney Alan Panolong,
12:41President ng Integrated Bar
12:42of the Philippines,
12:43maraming salamat po sa inyo.
12:44Maraming maraming salamat, Ivan,
12:46at mabuhay po tayong lahat.
12:48So, ulitin, attorney,
12:49marami pa tayong pag-uusapan.
12:50Ang mga isong pinag-uusapan,
12:53lilinawin at hihimayin natin
12:54on record
12:55sa unang hirin.