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06:20de países europeos para revivir la idea.
06:23¿Quién estaría en favor?
06:25Bueno, desde el lado de la Comisión de la Comisión,
06:27estamos seguramente listos para engañar en esta discusión.
06:30Como ya sabéis, el año pasado,
06:32vinimos con el propósito legislativo para usar esos asuntos.
06:36Infelizmente, los estados de la Comisión de la Comisión
06:37no fueron capazes de agreear en esto,
06:39principalmente por la resistencia de la Bélgica.
06:42Pero estamos seguramente listos para reenganchar
06:45esas discusiones, buscar esas adicionales reassurances
06:48que deberían ser necesarias para encontrar un camino.
06:51¿Qué va a tomar la Comisión de la Comisión de ponerlo en la mesa?
06:54¿A señal de la Bélgica, la Francia, la Italia, la ECB
06:58diciendo que están dispuestos a explorar ahora?
06:59¿Qué va a tomar?
07:01Bueno, no puedo dar las exámenes exactas,
07:05pero como ya sabéis, estamos listos para engañar en esta discusión
07:09y poner esta pregunta de vuelta en la mesa.
07:15María Taddeo, están hablando con Valdés Dombrowskis
07:18en Riga.
07:19Tensions han arrastado entre Brasil y Brasil
07:22después de la Comisión de la Comisión
07:24suspender el importe de Brasilianos
07:25y otros productos de otros productos
07:27sobre preocupaciones sobre antimicrobial
07:30sustancias usadas en producción.
07:32La autoridad de Brasil han expresado
07:34indignación de la falta de diálogo
07:36antes de las medidas se han adoptado.
07:39La correspondencia, Marek Gwynn,
07:40sat down con Brasil's ambassador
07:42a la EU, Pedro Miguel da Costa e Silva.
07:45She asked him whether he believed
07:47the two sides could strike a deal
07:49to reverse the ban
07:50and if not, whether Brazil
07:52could consider countermeasures.
07:54We believe in dialogue, we believe
07:56in cooperation, we are one of the biggest
08:00providers of agrifood products in the world.
08:03We have a lot of quality, so we are very confident
08:05in what we send to the European market.
08:08I'm very confident and hopeful that we will be back
08:11on the list soon on a first phase for some of the products,
08:17I think poultry and honey
08:19and I hope that soon after the rest of the products.
08:23Do you fear that this episode
08:25could have somehow emboldened those people
08:29who have been against the EU Mercosur deal
08:32which is a trade deal between the EU and Brazil
08:34and other Latin American countries
08:35that it could have encouraged them somehow
08:39to see that there might be a way
08:40to prevent these kind of imports
08:43from coming into the European market?
08:46You have touched on a very sensitive point
08:49because I do fear that this episode
08:53and this issue is going to be distorted.
08:57People are going to say,
08:58oh, Brazil does not comply with our regulations,
09:01Brazilian products do not have the same quality,
09:04they are at risk and none of this is true
09:07because if you look objectively
09:09of what we're talking about,
09:11in no way has the EU said
09:13that our products have a problem
09:16in terms of quality.
09:17The important thing is to make sure
09:19that this doesn't get distorted,
09:21that people who are against the agreement
09:23and people who are against Brazil being here
09:26and competing with us
09:27will distort this and transform this
09:30into again another part
09:32of this disinformation campaign against Brazil
09:35that we do not have quality,
09:37that we do not comply,
09:38and all this I think does a lot of harm
09:41to the EU-Brazil relation
09:44and it also creates a problem
09:47in terms of the EU-Mercosur agreement.
09:49And if you cannot come to resolution
09:52through these talks
09:53and the ban remains in place,
09:56do you fear it could somehow undermine
09:59or jeopardize the broader EU-Mercosur deal
10:02in any way?
10:03I hope that we can quickly solve this
10:07because if you look at the products
10:08that are involved,
10:10these were sensitive products
10:12that were the object of quotas.
10:14I was one of the negotiators of the agreement
10:16and I know how much we paid
10:18in terms of, if you want,
10:20for these quotas,
10:21in terms of the negotiation.
10:23So if we stop exporting bovine meat,
10:26poultry, honey,
10:28we are losing.
10:29There is a reversal of expectations
10:32of what we thought the agreement
10:33was going to be for us.
10:34So there is frustration
10:36on the part of the Brazilian producers.
10:39And I don't want to not respond
10:41to what you asked me
10:42about countermeasures or whatever.
10:44That's not how we operate.
10:46We prefer dialogue.
10:48We prefer cooperation.
10:50But if we need to go down another road,
10:54we will.
10:55But this is not the time
10:56to speculate about that,
10:58not to anticipate that.
11:03Brazil's ambassador
11:04Pedro Miguel da Costa e Silva
11:06speaking to Marek Gwynn.
11:07Let's go back to Maria Tadeo
11:09in Riga now.
11:10Maria, you spoke to Norway's
11:12foreign minister,
11:13Espey Bart Aide.
11:15Tell us all about it.
11:18Yeah, I did, Stefan.
11:20And this is an interview
11:21in a week in which 11 countries,
11:23including Norway,
11:24but also the United Kingdom
11:26and France,
11:27have announced sanctions
11:27on Israeli settlements
11:29in the West Bank.
11:31Norway's foreign minister
11:31telling me,
11:32quote,
11:32this is fully justified.
11:34He also said
11:35Israel should now listen
11:36and change course,
11:37but added some very strong words.
11:40This is the most far-right government
11:42in the history of Israel.
11:43It has now taken the country
11:44in a very dangerous path.
11:46Let's take a look.
11:48It is absolutely not true
11:50that this in any way
11:51is a reward for terrorism.
11:52This is a strong signal
11:54of support
11:54for all those Palestinians
11:56who want to have
11:57a decent Palestinian state
11:58that signed up
11:59once upon a time
12:01to the agreement
12:01that there should be
12:02a two-state solution.
12:03These are the people
12:04who rejected violence.
12:05The Palestinian Authority
12:07has nothing to do
12:08with Hamas,
12:09who is actually their enemy.
12:11And this is a support
12:12to the moderate Palestinians.
12:13But we cannot see
12:14this extreme settler activity
12:17where you have violence
12:18against people,
12:19against livestock,
12:20against houses,
12:22really removing
12:24every possibility of life
12:26in large parts
12:28of what is legally
12:29Palestinian land
12:30to promote settlements.
12:32And I'm very happy
12:33that the United Kingdom
12:34and Canada
12:35and France
12:36and several other countries
12:37have come to the place
12:39where countries like Norway
12:40and Spain
12:41already were
12:41a long time ago.
12:43So this was a strong statement
12:44to Israel.
12:45They should take it seriously.
12:46You speak about the UK.
12:47The reaction from the Israelis
12:49has been to say
12:50you need to close down
12:51the consulate
12:51within 30 days
12:53from Jerusalem.
12:54To me,
12:54that really doesn't sound
12:56like a country
12:56that is going to change course.
13:00The Netanyahu government
13:02is the most far-right government
13:04in Israel's history.
13:06Elections are coming.
13:07Let's see what the Israelis
13:08choose in this election.
13:10But that government,
13:11in my view,
13:12has driven Israel
13:13into a very dangerous place.
13:15I think that the,
13:16because I very much
13:17care about Israel,
13:18I'm inspired by Israel.
13:20I know Israel quite well,
13:21just like I am inspired
13:22by the Palestinian community.
13:24I think the only way
13:25to live normal,
13:27peaceful life
13:27in that region
13:28is that they agree
13:29to have a two-state solution
13:31to delineate
13:32what is Palestinian,
13:33what is Israeli,
13:33and then the Israeli state
13:36as a Jewish homeland
13:37can continue.
13:38So I believe
13:38that what we are doing,
13:40although it might seem rough
13:41for some Israelis right now,
13:42is also a commitment
13:43to peace for Israel itself.
13:45But just as a final point,
13:46so this is clear,
13:47you mentioned the election,
13:48obviously it will be
13:48the Israeli people
13:49who will have to decide
13:50who leads Israel.
13:52But do you hope,
13:54whatever the outcome,
13:55that there will be
13:56a change, of course,
13:57because it does not look like
13:59from the ground,
14:00as it stands,
14:01that much of this
14:02will prompt action?
14:03So it's not my job
14:04to tell other countries
14:05who to elect
14:06that for the Israelis.
14:07But I do hope
14:08that whatever happens there,
14:10Israel at one point
14:11understands
14:12that they've been
14:13on a very dangerous track.
14:14Wouldn't that
14:14the Yehudan government
14:15that's possible?
14:17That Israel,
14:18whatever government,
14:19understands
14:19that they have been
14:21losing so much support.
14:22They had tremendous support
14:24after 7th of October
14:26across the world.
14:27There was a lot
14:28of understanding
14:28for the need
14:29to defend against
14:30terrorist attacks.
14:32But the way
14:32that they have done this,
14:34you know,
14:35with more than
14:3570,000 people killed,
14:37including 20,000 children,
14:39the total destruction
14:39of most of Gaza,
14:40it's a blatant violation
14:41of international law,
14:43of international human rights law,
14:44of international humanitarian law.
14:46And the problem has been
14:48that too many countries
14:49have been careful
14:50in criticizing Israel
14:51because you were
14:52so easily attacked
14:53by being anti-Semitic,
14:55which is a very...
14:55That has been a factor,
14:56you think?
14:57I think that has led
14:58to less daring positions.
15:01And since we started
15:03this interview
15:03with Ukraine,
15:05I want to say
15:05that the West
15:07has been very firm
15:08and clear and good
15:09on saying
15:10that Ukraine
15:11is the victim
15:12of a Russian aggression.
15:13But we would be
15:14more credible
15:15if we stood up
15:16for international law
15:17everywhere
15:18against all people,
15:20you know,
15:21in all times.
15:22And I think
15:23by being so wobbly
15:24and so unclear
15:26and so unprincipled
15:28in the dealing
15:28with the Middle East,
15:29I think that's
15:30that undermines
15:31the credibility
15:31of the West.
15:35Maria Tadeo in Riga,
15:37thank you very much.
15:3925 years.
15:4025 years already.
15:43I'm sure you still remember
15:44where you were
15:45on that day.
15:47A quarter century
15:48after the attacks
15:49of September 11, 2001,
15:51the images remain etched
15:53into the world's
15:54collective memory.
15:55Nearly 3,000 people
15:57were killed
15:57in New York,
15:58Washington,
15:59and near Shanksville,
16:00Pennsylvania that day.
16:02A traumatic experience
16:03that changed America
16:04and reshaped global politics.
16:07So, 25 years later,
16:09what is the legacy
16:10of 9-11
16:11and what lessons
16:12should we still be learning?
16:14Joining me now
16:15to discuss this
16:16is Anthony Gardner,
16:18former U.S. ambassador
16:19to the European Union
16:20during the second
16:21Obama administration.
16:22Good morning, sir.
16:23Great to have you
16:24on the show.
16:25Good morning.
16:26Good to see you again, Stefan.
16:26So, how fundamentally
16:29did 9-11 change
16:30the United States
16:32and did it change
16:32the world
16:33just as profoundly?
16:36I think it did.
16:38I remember where I was
16:40that day.
16:40Like many of us,
16:41I was in a conference room
16:43in the office in London.
16:44We were all called down
16:45to a room
16:46where the television was on
16:48and we felt shock.
16:49Of course, we felt anger,
16:51but we also felt unity.
16:53We were a very
16:54united country then.
16:56Today, unfortunately,
16:57we're a very polarized country,
16:58which, of course,
16:59is a shame.
16:59But I think to answer
17:00your question,
17:01there are probably
17:01three or so
17:02big takeaways for me.
17:04One of them
17:05is the power
17:06of asymmetric warfare.
17:10We saw what damage
17:12a small but determined
17:14radicalized group of,
17:15well, terrorists
17:17can do
17:18with few tools
17:19at their disposal
17:20against a much more
17:21powerful force.
17:22And we're seeing
17:23that again today,
17:24all these years later.
17:26We're seeing it,
17:27of course,
17:27in the Middle East.
17:29We're seeing it
17:31in the Persian Gulf
17:32where Iran
17:33is still continuing
17:34to inflict damage
17:35against the United States
17:37after taking a beating.
17:39We're seeing the power
17:40of asymmetric warfare
17:41in Ukraine
17:41where the Ukrainians
17:43are holding out
17:44against a much
17:45larger force.
17:47But another takeaway
17:49is that,
17:49you know,
17:50military force
17:51is not enough
17:52to defeat terrorism.
17:54The idea
17:54that we can defeat
17:55terrorism
17:55just using power
17:56is, I think,
17:57misguided.
17:58We need financial
18:00and economic means.
18:01We need diplomacy.
18:02We need culture
18:03and so forth.
18:04And the other part
18:05of what makes it happen
18:05is that AI
18:06is going to make
18:06asymmetric warfare
18:07even more relevant.
18:09And very quickly,
18:10the second takeaway
18:11for me
18:12is that the United States
18:13just can't retreat
18:14into a cocoon.
18:16We may lose interest
18:17in the world,
18:18but the world
18:18is not going
18:19to lose interest
18:19in us.
18:20And the third
18:21is that,
18:21you know,
18:22in the 9-11 report,
18:24I was struck
18:24at all the information
18:26we were receiving
18:26about a possible attack
18:28and we just didn't
18:29manage to process
18:30that information
18:31fast enough.
18:32For a generation
18:33that did not experience
18:34that day firsthand,
18:36the younger ones,
18:37why does 9-11
18:38still matter?
18:42Well,
18:429-11 still matters
18:43for the young
18:44for the reasons
18:45I think I alluded to
18:46is that the world
18:47is full of risks
18:49that will affect
18:52the United States.
18:53I'm here thinking
18:54about, you know,
18:54climate change
18:55or migration
18:56or various types
18:59of pandemics
19:01and so forth.
19:01The idea
19:02that we can retreat
19:03into our own borders
19:05is simply wrong
19:05because all of those risks
19:07that have a transnational impact
19:08will have an effect
19:11on the United States.
19:12And that's why
19:12we need the tools,
19:14as I mentioned,
19:14not just military.
19:16And if there is one lesson
19:18from 9-11
19:19that political leaders
19:20should remember today,
19:22what is it?
19:24Well,
19:25I think it's cooperation.
19:26We forget
19:27that this was
19:28a good example
19:31of how countries
19:32came together.
19:33Our allies
19:35immediately expressed
19:36support for us.
19:38And, of course,
19:39it was the United States
19:40principally
19:41that defeated
19:43that threat
19:44and captured
19:45Osama bin Laden.
19:46But allies
19:47came to our aid
19:49at that point.
19:50And we need to remember
19:52that we need allies
19:53to defend
19:54against these kind
19:55of threats
19:55in the future.
19:56All right,
19:57Ambassador Gardner,
19:58thank you so much
19:58for coming on the show today.
20:00And that's it for today.
20:02Enjoy your weekend.
20:03I'm Stefan Grobe.
20:04See you soon.
20:11Bye.
20:13Bye.
20:17Bye.
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