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06:34will be made before the summit but I hope so. Another issue here for this informal summit is
06:40mutual assistance. We know that the European treaties have an article of mutual assistance
06:4542.7. It hasn't been explored until now but we also know that many member states like yours
06:51are also part of NATO which has an article 5 of collective defense. Do you see a possible
06:55contradiction between these two articles or can they coexist? They are coexisting because for
07:02example NATO article 5 has been invoked only once from the United States and European article
07:1042.7. It has been also invoked once by France. So the question is about the need and they can
07:19exist together I would say because usually it's pretty much overlapping what we're doing because
07:26you need certain assistance. You need your allies to act with you. So I would say this is working
07:32well but also we should talk about European capabilities because as we can see President
07:38Trump's message is also that Europe should bear more burden in own defense. Trump has also threatened
07:45to withdraw the United States from NATO. He's been saying this several times. We don't know what's
07:50going to happen but do you think that because of these threats that he's making so publicly the value
07:56of article 5 has been decreased that it's not so powerful anymore? I would say no to that because
08:04for example when we had Russian MiGs in our space a little bit before that certain Russian drones in
08:12Poland's airspace which was shot down first time in NATO's history at that moment. At that moment
08:18Trump's message was quite clear that America is standing to protect Baltics Poland and so on. So I would
08:25say that the messages have been quite clear that NATO is working and also in Haig. We had NATO summit
08:31there and Trump said that if Europe is sharing the burden he will commit to NATO. Yes, I can
08:39understand that there's a lot of political messages but the military side is working absolutely as well.
08:48That was the Estonian Prime Minister Kristian Michal speaking to our correspondent Jorge Liborero and
08:54we'll of course keep an eye out for Jorge's reporting throughout the day from those talks in Cyprus.
09:00Now when he was president of the European Council, Charles Michel had a notoriously strained relationship
09:07with commission president Ursula von der Leyen. Those tensions have resurfaced in recent weeks.
09:14Our irreparator Maria Tadeo caught up with Michel earlier today at the Delphi Economic Forum.
09:20She began by asking him about von der Leyen's leadership style, often described as highly
09:26centralised and whether sufficient checks and balances exist to keep that approach in check.
09:34All of us, we know what we have to do, but I'm observing that it seems that it's difficult to
09:39make decisions that are urgent and that are needed.
09:43I trust the European Council. I think that by nature, the European Council is the right body to decide what
09:51are the main orientations and also to make the most difficult decision because, you know, the European Council is the
09:58guardian of the European unity.
10:00And this European unity is something that's not easy to achieve. It requires a lot of work, a lot of
10:05preparation, it requires a lot of collective intelligence, it requires to listen to each other.
10:12And I'm confident that sooner or later the European Council will make additional decisions to clarify some of the orientations
10:20we have to decide in the near future.
10:23Do you, are we to understand therefore that the Council as it stands, it should be stronger, it should have
10:29a louder voice, it's not as strong as it should be the message now?
10:32You know, it's, in my opinion, it's not a question of voice, it's a question of decisions that have to
10:38be made.
10:39And what is a bit frustrating for all those like me who are absolutely committed to this project, it's more
10:45needed than ever, the European project, the European dream, the European principles, the European values, the European coexistence.
10:51And what is frustrating is the fact that all of us, we know what we have to do, we know
10:55exactly what we have to do, everything is on the table.
10:58And I observe that there are always good reasons to procrastinate, there are always good reasons to waste time, and
11:05it's regrettable.
11:06And again, I don't want to blame anyone in particular, let's be clear, that's not my point, when I want
11:15to blame someone, I'm very clear, you know me.
11:17Here, that's not my point, my point is, let's look at the future, and we have tools, we have capacities,
11:24we have capabilities, we have great companies, we have great searchers, we have a lot of strength within the EU.
11:31And there is a crisis, there is chaos across the world, and by experience, we know when it's difficult in
11:38the world, in general, the EU is able to learn lessons fast, let's act faster, and let's learn our lessons.
11:46Some would argue the weakness at times of the Council goes back to the idea of unanimity, and that has
11:52been dragging the action, and certainly the peace and the speed around it.
11:56Viktor Orban, obviously, has been crushed in a defeat, Viktor Orban now is gone from the Council.
12:02Is that going to make things better, or actually would you argue the dynamics are more profound, even with the
12:07Hungarian Prime Minister gone, this issue will remain?
12:10I hope that it will help the European Council to be more united in the future.
12:16Are you relieved that Viktor Orban lost?
12:18I wouldn't say that, because I will tell you why, because I think that, based on the experience I have,
12:24on some topics, some in the European Council were hiding behind Viktor Orban.
12:31Point one, and point two, in some of the European countries, you can have, tomorrow, some national leaders, one so
12:38far, from Viktor Orban's ideology, some topics, including Ukraine, for instance.
12:44Point two, does it mean that unanimity is a problem?
12:48For sure, for sure, unanimity is a challenge, there is no doubt, but I think you should think carefully before
12:53making a decision to not to use unanimity anymore, because if you stop to try to involve every country in
13:03the same decision, the reason is that you will weaken the weight of the EU and international level, and that's
13:12why I think that the priorities should be different.
13:14In my opinion, you should fight against the abuse of this veto right, because if you follow the philosophy and
13:21the principle for the Lisbon Treaty, the idea was really that the veto right was supposed to be used when
13:27your vital interests are at risk.
13:30And the problem is that today, too many countries are tempted too many times to use this veto right as
13:37a kind of tool to blackmail and to get something in the other side.
13:40That's the problem, the one I think.
13:42It seems to me, however, listening to the leaders just finally on this point, that they would agree enlargement needs
13:46to happen as soon as possible and complete the union, but they would also say we need to reform, and
13:51there is no fast track for Ukraine.
13:53Are those three statements compatible?
13:55What you have to mention?
13:58When we want to mention this, you have to mention this, agreed language, no fast track.
14:00When we want to do something, but in parallel we add a sentence, so it is in fact more difficult
14:10to get the result.
14:14Let's be clear, there is no doubt that in those countries they have to do their homework and they know
14:21what they have to do.
14:22They have to put in place a reform, they have to guarantee the independence of justice, to fight against corruption,
14:27etc., point one.
14:29On the other hand, let's be honest, in some of the European countries, it was uncomfortable to use the argument
14:36of those countries not acting as fast as needed,
14:43because there was, in some European countries, a difficult political debate with this enlargement policy.
14:49And I think in those circumstances, we could all win if we tell the truth to our people everywhere in
14:58Europe.
14:59The future will be more stable, more secure with them within the EU.
15:03And of course, there are some efforts, but also our efforts that are needed in terms of domestic reforms and
15:11in terms of what kind of policy we put in place.
15:17That was the former president of the European Council, Charles Michel, speaking to our Europe editor, Maria Tadeo.
15:24Now, the FIFA Football World Cup is just around the corner, happening this summer, of course, in the US, Canada
15:31and Mexico.
15:33And it's becoming deeply intertwined with global politics.
15:37The Trump administration is reportedly working behind the scenes to replace Iran, which did qualify for the tournament, with Italy,
15:46which painfully lost in the playoffs to Bosnia and Herzegovina, missing out on a spot in the World Cup for
15:53the third consecutive time.
15:55For more, our Jakob Janis has this explainer.
16:01Could the 2026 World Cup see a team that failed to qualify take to the pitch?
16:06A plan is brewing in Washington to give Italy a wildcard entry by replacing Iran.
16:12Paolo Zampolli, a special envoy to President Trump, confirmed he has pitched the swap to both the White House and
16:18FIFA president Gianni Infantino.
16:21But wait a second. Is this game-changer even in the rulebook?
16:26The Financial Times reports this is an attempt to repair ties between Trump and Italy's Giorgio Meloni after the Republic's
16:33part over the Iran War and the Pope.
16:36And Zampolli argues Italy four world titles offered the pedigree to join the 2026 tournament hosted across the US, Mexico
16:45and Canada.
16:46All right, but how is it legal?
16:48Article 6 of the World Cup regulations gives FIFA sole discretion to replace any team that withdraws or is excluded.
16:57And while Iran insists they plan to participate, FIFA has already set a precedent.
17:03Just last summer, they used the same powers to hand a spot at the club World Cup to Inter Miami,
17:10enabling Lionel Messi to play.
17:13But football is not the only arena where the guest list is being rewritten.
17:16This February, Russia and Belarus were bards from flying their flags at the Milano-Kortina 2026 Winter Olympics, in response
17:24to the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
17:27Yet, when the Paralympics, which are governed by a different body than the Olympics, allowed these symbols back after a
17:34Swiss court ruling, the European Commission boycotted the opening ceremony.
17:38Sport Commissioner Glenn Mikalev called the return of the national banners unacceptable, while Russia's war of aggression against Ukraine continues.
17:46So if Italy does make it to Los Angeles this June, it could be the most historic wildcard in the
17:52history of the sport.
17:54They just have to hope their diplomatic pedigree is as strong as their footballing one.
17:58Especially after the brutal defeat to Bosnia and Herzegovina in the qualifying play-off final.
18:09And that brings this edition of Europe Today to an end.
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