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00:30Tino are well and truly underway after a remarkable opening ceremony, but politics has inevitably
00:37trickled into the games. Despite organisers' efforts to keep sport separate from current
00:43affairs, opposition to President Trump's policies, both at home and abroad, has been
00:48on clear display. For more on the significance of this, our EU News editor, Maria Tadeo, joins
00:53me here in the studio. Good morning, Maria. So look, a spectacular opening ceremony, but
00:58also very political. Yes, and look, ultimately, the Olympics is still one of those big global
01:03events that can still bring a big audience, right? There's a good feel around it. It's
01:08obviously the athletes, the effort, the discipline that goes into it, a ceremony that was indeed
01:13very beautiful, very Italian in a way, very different to Paris, certainly more traditional.
01:18There's this idea that Italians like about themselves, and they like to export that to the world. It's
01:23obviously the colors, the people, the food, the clothes. Of course, it's the fashion. There were
01:28uniforms by the late Giorgio Armani. But it was also very political because a U.S. delegation led
01:34by J.D. Vance was in Milan, Cortina. They took a meeting with Prime Minister Giorgia Milani. J.D. Vance,
01:41by the way, he was booed on the stands at the Sincereo Stadium. Team USA walked out, a camera
01:47showed him, and the stadium, you could really hear the boos. And Maeve, at some point, I guess,
01:52when you call your allies, well, weak, decaying, you say they're facing civilizational erasure,
01:57at some point, you're going to encounter the real-life pushback. And that was very clear on the
02:01cameras that day. And beyond, of course, J.D. Vance, there were protests all along the weekend.
02:06We saw some spectacular images, which hopefully we can put up on the screen. Clashes between
02:11protesters and the police. Those are stones, fireworks. There's a sort of a collusion of
02:17issues here. Some are protesting what they think will be Winter Olympics that will not really bring
02:21any benefits to Milan. There's a cost of living. We also knew in anticipation to the Games that
02:26there were protests. It was perceived as Trump policies, and there was a controversy as to whether
02:31or not ICE was going to participate. The Italian government insisting that they will handle
02:35the bulk of the security. And on that note, Giorgia Meloni yesterday put out a statement,
02:40some words on social media, a heavy-worded statement, saying there are many Italians who
02:45are working around the clock to show a very beautiful image of Italy, but then there are
02:49them, and those are the enemies of Italy and Italians, demonstrating against the Olympics and
02:56ensuring that these images, of course, of protests that we just saw are broadcast on television screens
03:01around the world and really dampen the Winter Olympics. This has created another controversy
03:06in the country, some suggesting that the idea of enemies of Italy and Italians, that is simply too
03:11much. The opposition saying that this is really about curtailing freedom of speech, and we should
03:15also note that in the run-up to the Winter Olympics, the Italian government approved a decree that allows
03:20for stricter security. So yes, there are the Games, and we love to see those, but certainly there is
03:25politics. It's never just about the sports.
03:27It never is. A lot to talk us through there, Maria, today. And just this week, looking ahead
03:31here in Brussels, a big one for diplomacy. We've got the EU Leaders Retreat taking place, and also
03:35the Munich Security Council.
03:36Yeah, absolutely. So an informal retreat will happen on Thursday. It's about competitiveness and how to
03:41improve the European economy. The focus is very much on the Mario Draghi and Leta report. Remember,
03:47they talked about how to reform the single market. Mario Draghi has been very present in the European
03:52public space and debate. He's now talking about this idea of a, quote, very pragmatic federal
03:57union. But remember, the idea of a federal Europe, it's always been a toxic term for some who say,
04:02look, the EU is not a federation, and it was never intended to work like that. And then we have the
04:07Munich Security Conference. This time around, there's a lot of secrecy around the agenda,
04:11but we understand J.D. Vance will not be addressing the Munich Security Conference. It will be Marco
04:15Rubio. Remember last year, that really ruffled feathers. He talked about the idea of a woke Europe,
04:20the climate, Greta, the migrants, and so on. This time, it seems just by the headliners of this U.S.
04:26delegation that it could probably opt for a more diplomatic approach.
04:30Okay, Marisa, thank you so much for that. And of course, you'll be in Munich covering that for us,
04:35that conference. But coming up, we'll be joined by the EU's high representative for foreign affairs
04:40and security policy, Kaya Callas, the former Prime Minister of Estonia, also previously served as a
04:47member of the European Parliament, and she now holds the EU's most senior diplomatic role.
04:54Executive Vice President Callas, good morning. Great to have you with us this morning in the studio.
04:58Good morning.
04:59Look, did you see those images first of U.S. Vice President being booed at the Games? What does
05:04this all say about the EU-U.S. bond? Well, I guess we have heard a lot of not so nice words from
05:13United States regarding Europe. And of course, our public also has a pride, European pride, so it
05:20shows. But it will be an intense Munich Security Council. Yes, it will. I think we have a lot of
05:28things going on in the world, whether it's in the Middle East, whether it's in Ukraine. There are a
05:34lot of tensions all around the world, so definitely we're going to have good discussions.
05:39Well, on those tensions, let's first talk about the talks in Abu Dhabi, the U.S.-led talks. Have
05:44you any trust in them? Well, we haven't seen Russia really taking the talk seriously because, you
05:52know, while Ukraine already agreed to unconditional ceasefire over a year ago, then Russia keeps on
05:58bombing. I mean, just yesterday we heard how they're bombing civilians, civilian infrastructure
06:04all the time. Plus, they don't really have serious people, you know, behind that table. So I don't
06:10expect anything out of this, really. So do you trust the Americans to lead these talks?
06:16Well, the Americans have been bringing together the Russians and the Ukrainians, but eventually it's also
06:23clear that we haven't seen any concessions on the Russian side. We only have seen what Ukrainians
06:29are willing to concede in order to end this war. But if you look at the bigger picture, then, you know,
06:37Russia is the problem that has been attacking its neighbors for over, you know, a hundred years
06:43already. So in order to stop the war and prevent the war from expanding, we should have concessions
06:50on the Russian side. And are you concerned that the Ukrainians might have to give up territory if
06:56there's no Europeans around those table? Well, it is up to Ukrainians to decide what kind of
07:02concessions they are willing to make. And of course, every war ends in, you know, compromise or
07:08on concessions. But we have to understand how the Russian negotiation tactic is. It's always to,
07:14you know, demand something absolute maximum, something that has never been yours and then
07:21present threats, ultimatums, use force. And then eventually there will always be people in the West
07:26who will offer you something so that you walk away with more than you had. And we have to keep this in
07:32mind because, you know, the size of the Ukrainian army is not the problem because they haven't attacked
07:37Russia. The size of Russian army is a problem for all its neighbors. The size of Russian military budget
07:43is a problem for all. So we really need to see what kind of concessions are they willing to make.
07:50And just when it comes to the diplomatic efforts to end the war, what about an EU envoy? Do you
07:55support the idea of sending an EU envoy, someone who can directly talk to Vladimir Putin?
07:59Well, we have always talked to the Russians, but the point right now is not the person who does it,
08:04but more like how and what we want to get out of this. Right now, we see the picture where,
08:11you know, the Russians seem to be having this Alaska understanding with the Americans. So they
08:17wait, the Americans also to deliver by diplomatic means the things that they haven't really achieved
08:24militarily. If you think about the whole of Donbass that they are still, you know, demanding. Now,
08:30you know, if we want to go to the table, so it's not that we can offer something on top of it,
08:37because Ukraine has already made a lot of concessions. So you're against this idea of the
08:42No, no, no. The question is what we want to achieve. And what I say, it's not about the person,
08:47but it's actually to really have concessions from the Russian side. But so far, if the Russians are
08:55thinking that they are getting their maximum, you know, goals from the Americans, why should they
09:00want to talk to the Europeans, because we will only make demands for them. So that's why we have to
09:07work on our efforts to really put them in a position where they would go from pretending to
09:14negotiate to actually negotiate, which means the possession of strength.
09:18Okay. And just on Iran, we were following those talks carefully that took place on Friday in Oman.
09:22What is your view here? And do you think the EU has been doing enough as well to help Iranian civil society?
09:27Well, yes, we have supported Iranian civil society and of course, the Iranian people as much as
09:35possible. Also, we have had diplomatic outreach and talks to the Iranians because we have a lot of
09:42worries. I mean, nuclear program, ballistic missile program, also their detention of European citizens
09:49is a problem for us. So we clearly want to have a diplomatic solution for this because the region does
09:55not need another war. But again, here it's the Americans leading and of course, Trump, the Americans
09:59had the talks on Friday. Do you have any faith in the Americans?
10:03Well, of course, the Americans, the Iranians have to also agree because it's the American military
10:10threat that is hanging over the region. So that's why, you know, this is something that they need to
10:17come to a solution. But do you feel like you're always looking kind of on, observing from a distance?
10:21No, we have been in contact with them and also, you know, negotiating on. But it is clear that
10:28some ways, considering the military power that the US has, they have more leverage. When it comes to
10:35European military power, then we are still building it.
10:39We are indeed. That's, of course, a big challenge for people here in Brussels.
10:42Kaya Callas, thank you so much for being our guest this morning on Europe Today and coming up
10:45to speak to us. We hope to see you again soon. But now it is time to turn our attention to Portugal,
10:50where devastating storms have overshadowed a highly anticipated presidential election this weekend.
10:56Severe flooding and fierce wind has turned off the Paris supply to thousands and seen a number
11:01of people lose their lives. Despite the disruptive weather and travel complications, turnout was high
11:07though for the second round of the presidential elections. Our correspondent in Lisbon, Joana Moura-Calvaio,
11:13sent us this update on the outcome.
11:14It was a night of great celebration here in Caldas da Rainha. Unsurprisingly, Antonio José
11:28Seguro was elected president of the Republic with almost 67% of the votes. Also tonight,
11:34history was made. Seguro is the first socialist president in 20 years, after Jorge Sampaio left
11:40office in 2006. Seguro also went over the 3 million vote mark, making him the most voted
11:45candidate in presidential elections. In his victory speech, Seguro promised to be a demanding
11:50and vigilant president, but never a counterweight. Prime Minister Luis Montenegro, who also reacted
11:55to the results, said that cooperation and partnership with Seguro will ensure political stability in the country.
12:01And for more on the outcome there in Portugal, do visit our website, yournews.com, or of course
12:13download our app. But now, Jakub Janos has been looking into some interesting data about the amount
12:19of money in our pockets since the COVID-19 pandemic. Take a look.
12:22Europeans are getting richer, and since the pandemic, real household income has jumped by
12:31about 7%. But if you look closely at the map, you realize this isn't a shared meal. It is a very
12:38unequal dinner party. And right now, the East is ordering seconds. Poland, Romania, Hungary and Croatia
12:47are feasting, with their real incomes growing by around 15-20% in just 5 years. Meanwhile, the North
12:55is on a diet. Sweden, Finland and Denmark have barely touched their food, stuck with almost zero growth.
13:04And even the heavy eaters like Germany and Italy are just picking at their plates. Real household income
13:11is what you can actually swallow after taxes and inflation. And in the North, high prices ate up the
13:18entire meal. That is not the case in the East of Europe, where wages grew fast enough to beat the
13:24bill. But hold on. Before you feel sorry for the West, remember, portion sizes are still very different.
13:32Citizens in Luxembourg and Germany still have the biggest plates in Europe, with purchasing power nearly
13:38five times higher than in Bulgaria. Or, in simple words, look at this avocado index. In Luxembourg,
13:46an hour of work buys you enough avocados for a party-sized bowl of guacamole. And in Bulgaria,
13:52just a small dip. But if you are not a stereotypical millennial who, a friendly reminder, is now in their
13:59mid-30s and probably due for a colonoscopy soon, maybe pick a tomato instead. Because, let's be honest,
14:08at least the tomatoes in Sofia actually taste like tomatoes.
14:17Yeah, Kopiana's there for us. But now stay with us, as coming up we'll be joined by Mitra
14:22Heijazipur. The Iranian-French chess grandmaster is the winner of the Iranian Women's Championship,
14:28but actually got expelled back in 2020 for not wearing a hijab. She's also since written a book
14:33called The Chess Player. Mitra, welcome to Euronews. Great to have you on Europe today. I think it's the
14:38first time we had one of the greatest chess players in the world on our set. So, lovely to have you with us.
14:43Good morning. Thanks for having me.
14:45And of course, earlier we had Kaya Callas here, the Foreign Affairs Chief of the European Union. We were
14:49speaking to her about the situation in Iran. It's obviously very close to you. Can you just bring
14:53us up to speed? Remind our viewers now what the situation on the ground is like since the brutal
14:59crackdown a few weeks ago? And how are your friends and family doing?
15:03Actually, the new vague of protests in Iran started from 28 December and there were millions of
15:09Iranian took the streets and they were chanting the death to dictator and they were calling the
15:14return of Reza Pahlavi. Actually, he is the main alternative after the collapse of the regime and
15:21he is a legitimate leader for the transition phase and he wants to establish a democratic system in Iran
15:31after the collapse of the regime. And based on the videos and testimonies that come out of Iran, it shows
15:38that it was a bloody massacre and it was a brutal repression. They killed almost more than 30,000 of
15:47Iranians. They used the military weapons and we saw that they used the snipers on the rooftops. They
15:56aimed the head of people. There are thousands of corpses on the streets. The people are looking for
16:01their victims. They are charged to money for the bullets. They killed their loved ones.
16:09And meanwhile, President Trump had promised people that the help was on the way and encouraged people to
16:15take to take to the streets, but then was missing in action. How are people feeling now about President
16:19Trump's various calls? Yes, actually, as you mentioned, Trump said that the help is on the way
16:24and based on the videos and testimonies, the people of Iran, they ask for this help and they hope to have
16:30this help in this intervention, this military intervention. Actually, if the international community
16:37stays in action, the regime will continue this massacre and there are the thousands of political prisoners
16:46that they are sentenced to death penalties. And so, and any kind of negotiation with this regime is
16:53condemned to a dead end situation and any kind of deal with this regime will, it shows it could be
17:02interpreted as a sign of weakness of Trump. So, I think the people of Iran ask for this help and we
17:09are still waiting. And what kind of help do you want? Do you want a military intervention? Do people,
17:14would people support this kind of military intervention that Trump is proposing?
17:18Yes, the majority of the Iranian people, they support the military intervention. As we saw,
17:23it was a bloody massacre. So, without military intervention, they will continue to massacre
17:31the people. And yeah, we hope that it comes from the United States.
17:37So, that's the Americans. But what about the Europeans? Of course, we're in Brussels. You're in
17:41Brussels today speaking to us here. Do you feel that the EU has done sufficient for the Iranian people?
17:47I think we didn't have enough support from the international community. At least I live in
17:55France. I didn't see this enough support from European countries. We saw that
18:05actually next week there will be huge demonstrations in Munich, Los Angeles, and Toronto. So, we will see the
18:13Iranian community out of Iran to support, to show the solidarity with the people of Iran.
18:21So, what would your message be to Europeans, to our viewers watching today, and also to Kaya
18:24Kalas, the EU Foreign Affairs Chief, and to EU Heads of State and Government?
18:29We need more support for the intervention militaries. We need to fire, to expel the Iranian
18:39diplomats because they are the criminals, and also to recognize Reza Pahlavi as a main figure of
18:47opposition because he's legitimate and the people of Iran, they chanted his name in four corners of
18:56Iran. So, we need more support.
18:58Reza Pahlavi to, yeah.
19:00Okay, Mitra, thank you so much for coming in to us today and speaking to us here on Europe Today.
19:04Mitra Hejazipur there, famous Iranian-French chess player. But that does bring this edition of Europe
19:11Today to an end. Thank you so much for your company. As always, you can visit yournews.com if you need more
19:16news, more analysis, and more context on any of the stories we're covering from here. But thank you so
19:23much again for tuning in. Take care. Goodbye from Brussels.
19:53Bye.
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