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A major political debate has erupted in Jammu and Kashmir over the recital of all six stanzas of Vande Mataram. National Conference leaders Farooq Abdullah and Chief Minister Omar Abdullah stood for the full national song at an event in Srinagar following parliamentary approval.
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00:04corner spot home
00:17good evening and welcome to the point i'm puja shali i'm filling in this evening for my colleague
00:22preeti chaudhary let's begin first with the headlines and then i'm going to tell you about
00:26two important issues that are surfacing today and we'll be debating and discuss one the one day
00:31mataram controversy and number two especially what has been unfolding with regard to the attacks that
00:37are taking place the suicide and the political showdown in punjab first the headlines
00:46delhi government cracks down on the pg accommodation mafia rent caps have been proposed now for all
00:52area wise rent banned will now be fixed by the delhi government no more than three month rent
00:58will be asked as security deposit five people meanwhile in total arrested in delhi building
01:03collapse
01:09india today accesses niha chart sheet in delhi red fort last case bomba umar nabi who was a doctor
01:16in fact had wrecked the red fort multiple times since december 2023 nia claims umar nabi triggered
01:23the blast in panic after arrests in srinagar
01:30one day mataram controversies in top gear vjp chief nitran nabin slams congress's anti-national
01:36mindset as he calls it congress reiterates that one day mataram full rendition is a wall
01:41between two communities national conference even attacks the ally congress for opposing the full
01:47standards
01:54panjab government files a fire in the drug war but does not name the minister chima day after
01:58gulzara singh died by suicide naming chima clearly in the video testimony rahul gandhi now attacks
02:04bhagwantman government over the drug menace law and order in the state
02:12in other news 22 brs mlas axed from telangana assembly for the remainder of the session
02:17brs mlc is accused of a vulgar jive allegedly at the speaker
02:22chief minister rewan thready demands apology from brs nita
02:31bjp points to alleged vvip racism elitism in dk shiv kumar being served emil look carefully in the
02:38visual on your screen dk shiv kumar the chief minister gets a steel plate while it's plastic
02:44for the workers alongside sitting next to him a glass cup for chief minister while simply paper
02:50cubs for others bjp has used this video to target congress over what they're calling is vvip racism
02:56elitism
03:02one day now to be played in full got a nod from the parliament when in srinagar what unfolded
03:10was surprising and interesting for political corridors dr faruq abdullah who's been the
03:15national conference patron former chief minister his son incumbent cm omar abdullah backed the
03:20full six stands a rendition so they stood throughout the national song that was being played and while
03:27many appreciated the national conference for that stand but it put the party at odds with congress
03:33party and they are ally partners the bjp has now targeted congress over its stand highlighting the
03:39growing differences between as they are saying the two india bloc partners i want you to take a look
03:44at this report what happened that led to such a huge political showdown over the national song of
03:50the country a song meant to unite the nation has now opened a new front in the opposition camp
04:01in srinagar national conference chief faruq abdullah and jamun kashmir chief minister omar abdullah
04:08stood in attention for the entire six stanzas of vande mataram at an event on tuesday
04:17the last stand came barely 20 days after sonia gandhi's vande mataram video went viral where she was seen
04:25objecting as the rendition went beyond the first two stanzas
04:33later congress reaffirmed its 1937 position backing only the first two stanzas at party events the party
04:41says the truncated version was adopted to protect india's unity and diversity and preserve its secular
04:48inclusive ethos the party cites tagore's advice on national song but the congress position has now put it
04:57at odds with its own ally in jamun kashmir with the granul party questioning the move to insist on the
05:04full
05:04version
05:04the
05:07જો રાશ્રિ ગીથ યે એક સેતું યે દીવાર નીંયે દો દો સેતું પેતું જો હરસમદાયે જોરસેતું જોરસે
05:28જો પેતામ જેવત્બી્તામ જોતેતામ જોતેતામ જોતેતેતે જોંઝ જોરસેતેત
05:41The National Conference isn't buying it.
05:44The party says the law on Vande Maatram must be respected
05:47and asked the Congress to focus on real issues.
06:21The BJP is wasting no time.
06:24The party has attacked Congress over its Vande Maatram stand.
06:27It also seized on the growing differences between the two India-block allies.
06:56Today, the Congress party stands completely sidelined on Vande Maatram,
07:01being abandoned by its own allies.
07:07From Delhi to Srinagar, Vande Maatram has exposed a new fault line in the opposition alliance.
07:14Has the National Conference's stand put Congress on back foot?
07:19And in projecting its own secular credentials,
07:22has the National Conference now appended Congress on Vande Maatram?
07:26And is the India-block's internal rift getting deeper?
07:31Bureau Report, India Today.
07:36Let's try and understand this.
07:37Now, on the panel joining us this evening is Sanju Verma,
07:41our National Spokesperson of the Bharatiya Janata Party.
07:44Gurmehar Kaur is the spokesperson for the Congress Party.
07:47Also, we have invited from the National Conference, of course,
07:50and I'm expecting that the spokesperson of the National Conference
07:53will also join the panel because they, of course, are in the centre of attention.
07:57Gurmehar, of course, many would recognise, has been a political activist,
08:00now associated with the Congress.
08:03Both the ladies, welcome to the show.
08:05Gurmehar, let's begin with this.
08:06You're telling the National Conference,
08:08which clearly has every right to take a decision for itself on this,
08:13it's after all a national song,
08:14that you uphold the inclusive secular character.
08:17But that's what National Conference is saying,
08:19that they are doing exactly that,
08:21they're standing forth to the national song.
08:23Otherwise, the party is criticised often for being even a pro-separatist party sometimes.
08:28So, why would you then not let them have the freedom
08:31to do what all other parties are doing?
08:36With the very most basic fact here,
08:39because the DJP would like to create a controversy
08:42where the law itself creates none.
08:45No law has been broken here by anybody.
08:47National Conference chose to stand through the full rendition of Andey Matrim.
08:50The song that has followed the two stanza versions from 1937.
08:54Both positions are lawful.
08:55The new protection law,
08:57punishes insult or destruction of the song.
09:00It does not describe a compulsory stanza song for every occasion.
09:03So, two allies singing the same national song differently
09:06is not a constitutive crisis,
09:07as many might want to make it to be.
09:10It is what fluid mockery looks like.
09:12And the form of this position,
09:13there's not a fear yesterday.
09:15The first two stanza were separated
09:17on the considered literary advice of Abidmana Tegorji.
09:20And the 1937 Congress decision was taken
09:22in the presence of Gandhi, Nehru, Patel, Subhaf Sunderbol,
09:25Mawlana Azad and Rajendra Pasadji.
09:28Are we now being told that the BJP understands patriotism
09:31better than Tegor, Gandhi, Patel,
09:33both Azad and Rajendra Pasadji?
09:35What the BJP here is doing is much, much more revealing.
09:38It wants to convert one 50-year-old song
09:41into a loyalty test,
09:42which is BJP being the examiner.
09:44You know, this form of like political tradition,
09:47this also comes from a political tradition.
09:49But what is the Congress Party's objection?
09:52Even if let's say, okay, today in 2026,
09:54we are playing the full stanza,
09:56approved and granted or not by the parliament.
09:59Why would the Congress object to it?
10:01It's a national song.
10:03You know, there is,
10:05I will tell you,
10:05you're talking about a lot of infighting.
10:08There is no alliance crisis here, right?
10:10There is a difference of position
10:11and mature political alliances can survive differences.
10:14National Conference stood to the full rendition, right?
10:17Congress reiterated the true stanza position.
10:20It has held since 1957.
10:22You know, neither party has changed its resolution.
10:24Nobody has been expelled or censored or threatened.
10:27And no law has been broken.
10:29What I am trying to stop here
10:31is that the BJP's problem
10:32is that it thinks alliance means obedience.
10:35You know, it does not.
10:35An alliance that is a merger.
10:37In a plural country,
10:39parties can share democratic and political objectives
10:41while retaining their own history and judgment.
10:44Congress has simply asked an ally
10:46with respect for you to consider the position
10:48shaped by Tagore,
10:49adopted by Gandhiji, Nehru,
10:51Khi, Patel,
10:52Bose, Azad,
10:53Rajendra Prashadji.
10:54If a BJP wants every ally
10:56to defeat one approved line
10:57on patriotism,
10:59on culture,
11:00that tells you more about the BJP politics
11:02than it tells you about the India line.
11:04Let's take that then
11:05to Sanju Verma
11:06for the BJP.
11:07So many insinuations
11:08that have come in
11:09from the Congress spokesperson,
11:10Sanju,
11:11that it's your party.
11:12You want to create a divide.
11:13Are you the examiner?
11:14How do you get to decide
11:15who is more patriotic?
11:17And the Congress is right there
11:18because they're standing
11:18by their old position.
11:22You know, Pooja,
11:23thank you for having me over.
11:24Let me just put a couple of facts
11:26out there in the public domain.
11:27Yes.
11:27First and foremost,
11:29the Prevention of Insults
11:31to National Honor Act of 1971
11:33was duly amended
11:34by the Parliament
11:36a couple of weeks back.
11:37So singing all the six stanzas,
11:40does it have
11:41the sanction of Parliament?
11:43Oh, yes.
11:44Most certainly.
11:45And Parliament
11:46is the voice of the people
11:48and the biggest barometer
11:49of our democratic eco.
11:51So it's not that
11:52the BJP has suddenly decided
11:54that, you know,
11:55one fine day,
11:55there was no ad hoc
12:00or arbitrary decision
12:02about this entire thing.
12:04The second thing
12:05that I wish to highlight
12:06is this.
12:07The Congress lecturing
12:09on political morality
12:10or constitutional propriety
12:12is a whole load
12:14of balderdash
12:15and is absolutely
12:16laughable.
12:17I will tell you why.
12:18from 1905
12:20to 1937,
12:22this is very
12:23historical archive,
12:25if you want to check.
12:27For those 32 years,
12:29between 1905
12:30to 1937,
12:32many Congress leaders
12:34used to sing
12:35all the six stanzas.
12:37But it was in 1937
12:39that the CWC decided
12:41that there are only
12:42two stanzas
12:42in the country.
12:43The third and most
12:45important point
12:46is this,
12:46that this is not
12:48about two versus
12:49six stanzas at all.
12:50Let's not list
12:51the woods for the trees.
12:53The point is
12:54that
12:55be it a Jairan Ramesh,
12:56a Pawan Khera,
12:57a Rahul Dhandi,
12:58a Malikatyun Kharki,
12:59or BD Satteshan,
13:01or Kesi Venu Gopal,
13:02they have repeatedly
13:03said that
13:04the first two stanzas
13:06are fine,
13:06but after that,
13:08there's an invocation
13:09and references
13:10to goddess Durga,
13:12It's communalizing
13:13for two communities.
13:14Can I please finish?
13:15I'll talk for three minutes.
13:17Yes.
13:18My simple argument
13:19is this,
13:20Pooja,
13:20the state song
13:21of Telangana,
13:22the state song
13:23of Karnataka,
13:25the state song
13:26of Tamil Nadu,
13:27where the Congress
13:28is in power
13:29with the TVK,
13:31in all these
13:32three states,
13:33the state songs
13:34refer to
13:36Mata Duka,
13:37refer to Mata Kali,
13:39refer to Mata Sarasthuti,
13:41refer to Mata Naqshmi.
13:42So my point is,
13:44are the Congress
13:45governments
13:46in Karnataka
13:47and Telangana
13:48going to declare
13:49their state songs
13:51null and void
13:52because their state songs
13:53invoke Hindu goddesses?
13:56Okay.
13:56The other very important point,
13:58my final point is this.
13:59My final point,
14:00please.
14:01My final point is this.
14:02Sure.
14:03It's a genetic trajectory
14:04of the last 12 years.
14:06I don't think
14:06this controversy
14:07is about Vande Matran.
14:09This controversy
14:09is about Congress
14:11completely failing
14:13to take on
14:13Prime Minister
14:14Narendra Modi
14:15at the hustings.
14:16And what do they do?
14:17They see a controversy
14:18in everything.
14:19Do you remember?
14:20Okay.
14:20Rahul Gandhi refused
14:23to attend
14:24the Independence Day
14:25celebrations this year.
14:26He refused to attend
14:27the Independence Day
14:28celebrations last year.
14:29He refused to attend
14:30the oath-taking ceremony
14:32of the current
14:32Vice President
14:33Siti Radha Krishnan.
14:34He refused to attend
14:35the oath-taking ceremony
14:36of the current CJI
14:38with the Surya Gang.
14:39So the limited point is
14:40Rahul Gandhi
14:41is a rebel without a cause.
14:43And if somebody sits here
14:45and gives lectures
14:46to the BJP
14:47that this is not
14:47a loyalty test,
14:48why is it not?
14:50We are a Hindu
14:51majority country.
14:52No, there's no
14:53loyalty test,
14:53but this has been
14:55cleared by the parliament
14:56and also are we...
14:58And also are we
14:59assuming that
15:01Indian Muslims
15:01wouldn't en masse
15:03want to even
15:04be in presence
15:05of the national song.
15:06Is that an assumption
15:07also that we are making?
15:08Is this really a wall
15:09or not?
15:09We've heard Congress
15:10and BJP.
15:11Stay on with me.
15:12Gurmeir, I'll get
15:13other views as well.
15:14National Conference
15:15spokesperson is also
15:16joining me,
15:17Imran Nabidar.
15:18And I can tell you
15:19he's not just simply
15:19a spokesperson.
15:20He's in a very
15:21close group with
15:22Chief Minister
15:22Omar Abdullah.
15:23He understands
15:24the politics and
15:25strategies of the party
15:26because I cover JNK.
15:27Imran, you tell me.
15:29The Congress spokesperson,
15:30despite being your ally,
15:31says, you need to be
15:33more secular.
15:34You need to uphold
15:36the inclusivity.
15:37Don't sing the full
15:38national song.
15:40And I wouldn't have
15:41thought that the
15:42Congress was going to
15:42tell the national
15:43conference to be
15:44more secular here.
15:46So what do you think
15:47is the reply of the
15:48national conference here?
15:49Why do you think
15:50all these leaders
15:51decided to stand
15:53for all the six verses
15:55of the national song?
15:57Okay, I hear there is
15:58a slight audio
15:59connection issue
16:00that's happened
16:00with Imran and
16:01we'll go back to
16:02in that, in, on that
16:04in just a short
16:05while with him.
16:06Gurmehar, let me
16:07take that for you.
16:07You heard what
16:08Sanju Verma said.
16:10Is it a loyalty test?
16:11She's saying, yes,
16:12of course, it's about
16:12the country, so why
16:13not?
16:14And you heard all
16:15that she's saying
16:16that because Rahul
16:16Gandhi does not have
16:17any other issue,
16:18he's a rebel
16:19without a cause,
16:21therefore he's
16:21bringing in this
16:22issue.
16:24It's amazing.
16:25It's quite amazing
16:26that it's the BJP,
16:28you know,
16:29who has these
16:30ideological spaces
16:32and carries the
16:33tradition of an
16:34organization that
16:35has kept the
16:36tri-fellow of its
16:37headquarters for
16:3852 years.
16:40You know, they
16:40should be very,
16:41very careful about
16:42issuing patron
16:43autism purposes.
16:44The RSS on
16:46record,
16:47national, you
16:49know, the RSS
16:50record on the
16:51national symbol
16:52is part of
16:53its historical
16:53record.
16:54And in August,
16:55he can be very
16:55sick for members
16:56of the Savartya
16:57family testified
16:58in Pune 4,
16:59that Nataram
16:59and Gopal
17:00both were
17:01active members
17:01But Gurmehar, RSS
17:02is not a political
17:04party in political
17:06mainstream, like
17:07Congress and the
17:08BJP.
17:09It's a political
17:09purity.
17:10We are entitled
17:11to ask who has
17:12appointed the BJP,
17:13the examiner.
17:14You know, for
17:15example,
17:15the position was
17:16shaped by the
17:16people who fought
17:17for the freedom
17:18struggle and have
17:18built this republic.
17:20Okay, the
17:21national conference
17:22spokesperson is
17:23back, Imran,
17:23if you heard my
17:24question, is this
17:26a difference in
17:26the alliance
17:27partners?
17:28Are you more
17:29Indian as a
17:30party than the
17:31Congress or the
17:32Congress as it
17:32says, don't try and
17:34reach out to the
17:35BJP here?
17:36What happened on
17:36that day, Imran?
17:39See, first of all,
17:40there is no reach
17:41out to the BJP and
17:42this is not NC
17:44versus Congress.
17:45Congress is an
17:46important part of
17:48the India
17:48alliance and we
17:49are very much
17:49part of the
17:50India alliance.
17:51As far as this
17:52issue is concerned,
17:54we have to look at
17:55it objectively as
17:57you mentioned it
17:58earlier and for
18:00the benefit of the
18:01weavers, it is
18:01very important that
18:02the facts are
18:03kept in front.
18:04What are the
18:04facts?
18:05National conference
18:06has never been a
18:08votary of the
18:09Vande
18:09Mathram 6
18:10Tanzas.
18:11But now that
18:12the national
18:14song has been
18:15passed in the
18:17parliament and
18:18now it is
18:19something called
18:20constitutional
18:21obligation.
18:21It is the
18:22constitution that
18:23wants the
18:24constitutional heads
18:25of the state,
18:26whether it is
18:26the honourable
18:28CM, it is the
18:28LG, it is the
18:29ministers, it is
18:31their constitutional
18:31duty to respect
18:33what has been
18:34passed in the
18:35parliament and
18:36we are following
18:36that.
18:37Maybe national
18:38conference doesn't
18:39agree with what
18:41is, you know,
18:42what the
18:43stanzas are all
18:43about.
18:44But now that
18:45it has passed
18:46in the parliament.
18:48But why
18:48wouldn't you agree
18:49Imran, is there
18:50an objection that
18:50NC has in the
18:51national song?
18:54See, that is
18:55another debate.
18:56I mean, if we
18:56are debating the
18:57Vande
18:58Mathram as a
18:59poem, that is
19:00something that I
19:02would like to
19:03have my point of
19:04view, you know,
19:05very clear.
19:06And my point of
19:07view regarding
19:08Vande
19:08Mathram is that
19:09maybe it is not
19:10something that aligns
19:11with the idea of
19:12being a Muslim
19:13because the four
19:16lines that are
19:17under question, the
19:18four stanzas that
19:19are under question,
19:22actually, you
19:23know, this talks
19:24about a deity and
19:25as a Muslim, it
19:26maybe it is not
19:28something that I
19:29would agree with
19:30because we believe
19:31in one God.
19:32But as I told you
19:33earlier, let us
19:34not, I don't want
19:35to get into that
19:35kind of a
19:36controversy.
19:36see, now that
19:37the Congress, I
19:39would expect that
19:40the next election
19:41will happen.
19:41But Congress is
19:42saying, Imran, and
19:43before I go across
19:44to BGP Congress on
19:45that, but the
19:45Congress is saying
19:46they are urging the
19:47alliance partners,
19:48they are telling you
19:49what to do and you
19:49are not doing what
19:50they are telling you
19:51to do.
19:52No, I think here
19:53also, I more
19:55respectfully, with
19:56humility at my
19:57end, I would just
19:59request the
20:00Congress people,
20:01just, you know,
20:01their own, it is
20:02not national
20:03conference only, their
20:04own chief ministers
20:05have stood for
20:07these six
20:07tena, if you
20:08remember, whether
20:10it was the
20:11Honorable CM
20:11Karnataka and
20:13the Mr.
20:14Revan Tretti, the
20:15Honorable CM in
20:17Telangana, he, they
20:18or both of them
20:19stood for the
20:21entire national
20:23song in recently
20:24in on August
20:2615th.
20:27So I think it's a
20:28constitutional
20:29obligation and they
20:29also understand it.
20:30And more
20:31importantly, I
20:32don't understand
20:32why this thing
20:34was brought
20:34up because in
20:36Jammu and
20:36Kashmir, if you
20:37remember, August
20:3815th function, the
20:41same song was
20:42played on August
20:4315th as well.
20:44I don't know
20:44why the same, you
20:47know, the
20:48criticism came at
20:49that point.
20:49Okay, let's take
20:50it from the BJP.
20:51Sanju wants to say
20:52something here.
20:53They're saying it's
20:53constitutional
20:54obligation and it's
20:55okay to stand
20:56by.
20:56So who's at
20:57fault here?
20:57Is it the
20:58Congress party?
20:58Is it the BJP
21:00pushing for it?
21:02You know, let me
21:04just make one
21:04thing very
21:05clear.
21:05It was so
21:06heartening to
21:07see both
21:07Faruk Abdullah
21:08and Omar
21:09Abdullah standing
21:10in open
21:11songs when the
21:12national song was
21:14being played and
21:14the entire
21:15rendition happened
21:17seriously without
21:18any hiccups
21:19whatsoever.
21:20now coming to
21:21the Congress
21:22party, you
21:23know, I keep
21:24hopping back to
21:24them because
21:25there's a whole
21:26narrative being
21:27peddled on social
21:28media.
21:29Oh, you know,
21:30even Ambedkar
21:30don't want the
21:31full six standards
21:32to be rendered.
21:35Oh, Sardar
21:35Valdivad Patel
21:36was okay with
21:37only two standards.
21:39So I'll give you
21:39the Congress party.
21:41Suddenly, Jairam
21:42Ramesh, Padam
21:43Kher, and
21:43Gandhi, they
21:44remember Sardar
21:45Patel.
21:46I remember in
21:471990, when the
21:48Modi government
21:49decided to install
21:50a 597-seat
21:53tall statue of
21:54Sardar Patel at
21:54Khevaria in
21:55Gujarat to honor
21:56his legacy, the
21:57same Congress
21:58party said, what
21:59was the need to
22:00spend 3,000
22:01crores on a
22:03statue?
22:03It's a sheer
22:04waste of taxpayer
22:05funds.
22:06And this is the
22:08same Congress
22:08party.
22:09Do you remember
22:10Nehru awarded
22:11himself for
22:12Bharat Rekha in
22:121955?
22:13Ingra Gandhi
22:14awarded himself
22:15for Bharat Rekha
22:16in 1972?
22:17Sardar Patel
22:18was given a
22:19Bharat Rekha
22:1941 years
22:21after his
22:21demise in
22:221991.
22:23So why do you
22:24think the
22:24Congress is
22:25doing that,
22:25Sanju?
22:25Why are you
22:26saying that
22:27the Congress
22:27is raising
22:28an objection
22:29to it?
22:29Because they
22:30are saying
22:31we don't
22:31want to
22:31communalize
22:32it.
22:32We are
22:33going to
22:33of course
22:33sing the
22:34first two
22:34stanzas.
22:35Others we
22:35don't want
22:35to sing.
22:36What is
22:36the objection?
22:37Let me
22:38make one
22:38thing very
22:39clear.
22:39This is
22:40the Modi
22:40government.
22:41Prime
22:41minister is
22:42Narendi
22:42Modi.
22:431937 is
22:4589 years
22:46back.
22:47Stop
22:47harping
22:47about what
22:48the Congress
22:49working committee
22:49decided to
22:51do in
22:521937.
22:5389 years
22:54later we
22:55have decided
22:56that the
22:56national song
22:57will get
22:58the same
22:59status as
23:00the national
23:00anthem and
23:01the national
23:02flag and
23:03that is
23:03precisely the
23:04reason the
23:05prevention of
23:05insult to
23:06national honor
23:06act was
23:07amended.
23:07But my
23:08final point
23:08is this.
23:09When I
23:10tell you as
23:10BJP's
23:11national
23:11spokesperson
23:12that Congress
23:13is trying to
23:14communalize and
23:15weaponize
23:15one day
23:15matter, I
23:16say this
23:17because there
23:17is proof.
23:18Do you
23:19remember
23:19who went
23:20to the
23:20Supreme Court
23:21in 2007
23:22saying Prabhu
23:24Ryan is a
23:24figment of
23:25the imagination
23:26of BJP.
23:27Who went to
23:28the Supreme
23:29Court in
23:292008 saying
23:30Ram Sethu
23:31never existed.
23:33And what are
23:33Karnataka and
23:34Telenkala
23:35NLAC and
23:35NLCs saying
23:36in the last
23:3772 hours,
23:38there have been
23:39four top leaders
23:40who say we
23:41want sharia
23:42get back.
23:43And Rahul
23:44Gandhi,
23:44who has
23:44an opinion
23:45on everything
23:45on Afghanistan,
23:46has refused
23:47to condemn
23:48the Hindu
23:49phobia of
23:50his own
23:50MLA.
23:51Because Rahul
23:52Gandhi,
23:52Sonia Gandhi,
23:53Priyanka
23:54Vadra,
23:55his poor
23:55DNA is
23:56Hindu phobic.
23:57And do you
23:58remember an
23:58exciting point?
23:59After
23:59Operation
24:00Sindhu,
24:01when we
24:01dealt a
24:02body blow
24:03to Pakistan,
24:04what did
24:05Charanjeet
24:06Singh
24:06tell me,
24:07a confidant
24:08to Rahul
24:08Gandhi
24:08say,
24:09what do
24:09Pakistan
24:10was involved
24:13in the
24:13It is like
24:14saying,
24:14Pakistan did
24:15not kill
24:16my father,
24:17war did.
24:18It is like
24:18saying,
24:19Rahul Gandhi
24:20did not
24:20lose
24:20three
24:21people.
24:22Gurmeher,
24:22you see
24:23what's
24:23happening.
24:24The
24:24Bhartia
24:24Janata
24:25party is
24:26coming across
24:26as a
24:27party that's
24:27claiming,
24:28I ask you
24:29this question,
24:30they're claiming
24:30that they
24:31are the ones
24:31who truly
24:32believe what
24:32the national
24:33spirit has
24:33been and
24:34changes were
24:34needed,
24:35but the
24:35Congress is
24:35stalling it
24:36deliberately
24:37what is
24:38quintessential
24:39Indian,
24:39Indian
24:40heritage.
24:41And another
24:42question here
24:42Gurmeher is
24:43don't you
24:43have other
24:43issues to
24:44target the
24:45party in
24:45power rather
24:46than
24:47Vande Matram
24:47which many
24:48would say
24:49it's a
24:49national song,
24:49we all
24:50would want
24:50to sing it,
24:50even the
24:51national
24:51conference
24:51is singing
24:52it.
24:52Why not
24:53target the
24:53Modi
24:54government on
24:54other
24:54issues than
24:55this?
24:56100%
24:56and we
24:57will and
24:57I actually
24:58agree with
24:58you,
24:58you know,
24:59one of the
24:59facts that
25:00is missing
25:00from this
25:00conversation is
25:01we never
25:01voted against
25:02the
25:04against
25:05Vande
25:05Matram
25:05Protection Act
25:07in the
25:07parliament,
25:08we did
25:09support it
25:10and here's
25:11what the
25:13law also
25:14holds,
25:14sorry not
25:15the law but
25:15the act
25:16also holds,
25:17it does not
25:18talk about
25:18the stanzas,
25:19it just
25:20simply says
25:21that the
25:21same respect
25:21has to be
25:22paid to
25:23the national
25:24song as
25:25the national
25:25anthem.
25:26right,
25:26in talking
25:27about the
25:27BJP's,
25:28it is
25:28actually
25:28one of
25:29my most
25:29favorite
25:29topics
25:30to talk
25:30about,
25:31talking
25:31about
25:31the
25:31BJP's
25:32habit
25:32of
25:33giving
25:35patriotism
25:35certificates
25:36to
25:36everyone,
25:36you know,
25:36before the
25:37BJP throws
25:38words like
25:40appeasement
25:41or
25:43Hindu
25:44phobia
25:44against
25:45the
25:45congress,
25:46it should
25:46answer
25:46from its
25:47own
25:47alliances
25:48in its
25:49own
25:49ideological
25:49family.
25:50You know,
25:50let's go
25:50back to
25:51Syama Prasad
25:51Mukherjee
25:52who founded
25:52the Bharati
25:53Jansang.
25:53BJP's
25:54direct
25:54political
25:55predecessor.
25:56Served as
25:56a finance
25:57minister in
25:57the 1941
25:58Bengal
25:58cabinet
26:00led by
26:01Fazlul
26:02Haq.
26:02Fazlul
26:02Haq was
26:03the very
26:03leader who
26:04had moved
26:04the Muslim
26:05League's
26:05Pakistan
26:05resolution
26:06at Lahore
26:06in 1940.
26:08Hindu
26:08Mahasafa
26:08also participated
26:09in a
26:10coalition
26:10government
26:10with the
26:11Muslim
26:11League
26:11in provinces
26:12including
26:12Sindh.
26:13And
26:13Savarkar's
26:141937
26:16formulations
26:17spoke of
26:17Hindus and
26:17Muslims
26:18before the
26:19Rahul
26:19Dhar.
26:19So please
26:20do not
26:21rewrite
26:22history
26:23on television
26:24and then
26:24use
26:25rewritten
26:25versions
26:25against
26:26the
26:27Congress.
26:27So let
26:27me give
26:28that final
26:28comment
26:28because
26:29Imran joined
26:30late so I'll
26:30let him have
26:31that time.
26:32Imran,
26:32you heard what
26:32the Congress
26:33is saying and
26:34right now it's
26:35looking like a
26:36difference between
26:37Congress and
26:38National Conference
26:39and Congress
26:40telling the
26:40National Conference
26:41urging them
26:42what to do.
26:44Will the
26:44National Conference
26:44continue to keep
26:45the stand they're
26:46keeping or will
26:47they go with what
26:47the Congress is
26:48saying?
26:48Can that lead to
26:49a bigger clash
26:50between the two
26:51alliance partners?
26:52As far as
26:54National Conference
26:54is concerned
26:55there is no
26:55clash.
26:56We made our
26:57point clear
26:58and I think
27:00there shouldn't
27:01be any
27:01confusion.
27:02As far as
27:03Congress'
27:04stance is
27:04concerned I
27:05hope that in
27:06the next
27:06election Congress
27:09wins the
27:10majority and
27:11they are able
27:11to upturn
27:12this decision.
27:15And we will
27:16be with, I
27:16mean the point
27:17of the fact is
27:18that National
27:19Conference is a
27:19very small
27:20party.
27:20I mean we
27:21cannot change
27:21what will
27:22happen in the
27:23country.
27:23But we hope
27:24that the next
27:25election Congress
27:26wins with
27:27majority and
27:28they will be
27:28able to change
27:30this decision
27:31with the
27:32majority.
27:32All right,
27:34that's all the
27:35time I have for
27:36we'll see if that
27:36happens.
27:37Sanju I
27:37appreciate but
27:38that's all the
27:38time I have for
27:39thank you for
27:39all your points
27:40Gurmeher Kaur and
27:41Imran Abhi as
27:42well.
27:42So I'll leave it to
27:43the viewer to
27:43decide who do you
27:44think is coming
27:45out as a better
27:46opposition party
27:47right now.
27:48Is it the
27:48National Conference
27:49or is it the
27:50Congress Party
27:50as well?
27:51While we keep a
27:52track on what's
27:53happening as well
27:53I want to bring
27:54you now to
27:54Punjab.
27:56A death in
27:56Punjab's drug
27:57war has turned
27:58into a political
27:59flashpoint.
28:00Serious allegations
28:00against Bhagawan
28:02Taman government
28:02all on video.
28:03Just as the
28:04opposition stepped
28:05up its attack
28:05the family of
28:06Gulzar Singh,
28:07the man who
28:08died after giving
28:08a video dying
28:10testimony, the
28:11family has claimed
28:12a compromise as
28:13it appears with
28:14the government.
28:14But what triggered
28:16this dramatic U-turn?
28:17They were agitated.
28:18They wanted justice.
28:19What is the
28:19family saying
28:20now?
28:20What happened
28:21in Punjab
28:22in this report?
28:31A drug war,
28:32a death and
28:33now a political
28:34U-turn.
28:35The death of
28:36Gulzar Singh
28:37in Punjab's
28:38Sangroor has
28:38become the
28:39latest flashpoint
28:40in the state's
28:41raging drug war.
28:42Gulzar Singh
28:43died by suicide
28:44after consuming
28:45poison,
28:45following allegations
28:46that he faced
28:47pressure to
28:48apologize after
28:49questioning state
28:50finance minister
28:51Harpal Singh
28:52Chima over
28:53the alleged
28:54supply of
28:54chitta or
28:55drugs in
28:55his village.
28:56His family
28:57had earlier
28:58made serious
28:58allegations
28:59against Chima.
29:15But now comes a
29:17stunning reversal.
29:18Gulzar Singh's son
29:19Lakvinder Singh
29:20says the family
29:21has reached a
29:22samjhjhata or
29:23understanding.
29:24He says his brother
29:25will be given a
29:26government job and
29:27the family will
29:27receive compensation
29:28and most importantly
29:30that there is no
29:31pressure from the
29:32government.
29:49This comes amid a
29:51full-blown political
29:52battle.
29:53Leader of
29:54opposition Rahul
29:55Gandhi had targeted
29:56the Bhagavan Tman
29:57government demanding
29:58the resignation of
29:59finance minister
30:00Harpal Singh
30:01Chima and an
30:02impartial probe.
30:03He further
30:04pointed out that
30:05Chima had not
30:06been named in an
30:07FIR registered in
30:08the case.
30:25Chief Minister Bhagavan Tman
30:27accused opposition
30:28leaders of playing
30:29dirty politics,
30:30blaming Congress,
30:32BJP and Akali Dal
30:33for Punjab's drug
30:34crisis.
30:35The chief minister
30:36even shared visuals
30:37of locals confronting
30:38Congress leaders.
30:42Meanwhile, the BJP
30:43launched a four-prone
30:44attack on the
30:45Amadmi Party
30:46government, alleging
30:47that Gulzar Singh
30:48died by suicide
30:49after harassment and
30:50threats from the
30:51Amadmi Party workers.
30:53The party has also
30:54accused the Maan
30:55government of failing
30:56to contain Punjab's
30:57rampant drug
30:58menace.
31:00So as Punjab
31:01battles an old and
31:02deadly enemy,
31:04drugs, the political
31:05blame game, is
31:06getting sharper.
31:07The opposition
31:07says the government
31:08must answer questions
31:09over Gulzar Singh's
31:11death.
31:11The government
31:12says the opposition
31:12is exploiting a
31:13tragedy for
31:14political gain.
31:29And now the
31:30family's own account
31:31has added another
31:32layer to the
31:32controversy.
31:33A death that
31:34sparked allegations
31:35of political pressure
31:36has now produced
31:38a claim of
31:39compromise.
31:39With Kamaljeet
31:40Singh Sandhu,
31:41Bureau Report,
31:42India Today.
31:49The political
31:50face-off escalating
31:51in Punjab.
31:52Rahul Gandhi
31:53reiterating demand
31:53for the resignation
31:54of the people of
31:55Punjab, he says.
31:56Especially the Dalits
31:57should become
31:58vigilant regarding
32:00the misuse of power
32:01by the Amadmi Party
32:02government.
32:03That's Congress
32:04Party stepping up
32:05ante against AAP
32:06government in Punjab.
32:07Listen to what
32:07happened to Gulzar
32:08Singh Ji, says Rahul
32:09Gandhi.
32:10Belonged to Walmiki
32:11community in his
32:12final days.
32:13Hear it directly
32:14from the mouths
32:14of the family,
32:15mother, wife and
32:16brother.
32:17They tormented him
32:17in life and even
32:18in death.
32:19They are dishonoring
32:20Gulzar Singh Ji.
32:21The grieving family
32:22members themselves
32:22are saying they
32:23even have a right
32:24to traditional
32:25last rites that
32:26was snatched
32:27from them.
32:28The chief
32:29minister should
32:29immediately demand
32:30the resignation
32:31of the finance
32:31minister who was
32:32mentioned basically
32:33by Gulzar Singh.
32:34And there should
32:35be independent
32:35impartial time-bound
32:36investigation, not
32:38just an Irish.
32:39Rahul Gandhi
32:40clearly leaving
32:41no stone unturned
32:41in this.
32:42I am joined by
32:43our two guests
32:44on this panel.
32:45Advocate Arshpreet
32:46Khargyal, he is
32:47the national
32:47spokesperson of
32:47the Congress
32:48Party.
32:48Joining me from
32:49the Ahmadinei
32:50Party in Punjab,
32:51spokesperson Shashivir
32:52Sharma as well.
32:53Shashivir, I'll
32:54come to you first.
32:55Why has the
32:55minister not been
32:57added in the FIR
32:58even if there was
32:59a video testimony
33:00by Gulzar Singh
33:01which is called
33:02the dying testimony
33:03often taken as
33:04very strong value
33:05by the investigators?
33:06Is there political
33:08pressure on the
33:10cops?
33:10Sir, see, first
33:12of all, I would
33:13like to ask BJP,
33:14Congress and
33:15Kalidal stop doing
33:16this shameless
33:17politics over
33:18human life because
33:19yesterday, Gulzar
33:21raised, the day
33:23before yesterday,
33:23Gulzar raised
33:24issue of a drug
33:25right in front of
33:26Chimaji instead of
33:28sporting some drug
33:30mafia started
33:32harassing the
33:33complainant.
33:34Under the pressure,
33:35the complainant
33:35consumed the
33:36sulfas.
33:36then immediately
33:37the FIR
33:38got registered
33:38against every
33:39single person
33:40who was
33:41responsible for
33:43the death of
33:43the Gulzar
33:45saying, then
33:46the person who
33:47were doing the
33:48business of the
33:48drugs, the action
33:50has been taken
33:50against them.
33:51Now, look what
33:52the opposition
33:52political parties
33:53are doing.
33:54They have sunk
33:54to the absolute
33:55lowest level.
33:56They are so
33:57desperate and
33:58morally bankrupt.
33:59They are shamelessly
34:00trying to turn
34:01even a death
34:02into the political
34:03weapon against
34:04the Amadi
34:04party.
34:04But he said
34:05he asked
34:05Chima, after
34:06that local
34:07leaders have
34:09harassed him
34:10to take this
34:10step.
34:12Let me
34:13complain.
34:13The complainant
34:14first made a
34:16statement in
34:17front of
34:17Chimaji.
34:18Initially, the
34:19complainant made
34:20the statement
34:21where he
34:22doesn't take the
34:23name of the
34:23Chimaji.
34:24Then the
34:25person, the
34:26political person
34:26stopped him
34:28going to the
34:29hospital, then
34:30forced him to
34:31take the name
34:31of the Chimaji.
34:34Then they
34:35threatened him.
34:36If they don't
34:37take his name,
34:38then they will
34:38not allow to
34:39go to the
34:39How are you
34:39claiming that
34:41happened?
34:42There are two
34:43videos, ma'am.
34:44If you see, there
34:44are two videos
34:46that clearly
34:47shows what
34:47happened.
34:48Initially, that
34:49person, Gulzar,
34:50did not take the
34:51name of Chimaji.
34:52When he was on
34:52the way to the
34:53hospital,
34:54he stopped
34:55in a way, he
34:56forced to take
34:57the name of
34:57the Chimaji.
34:58They forced
34:59and threatened
35:00him.
35:00If he don't
35:01take the name
35:01of the Chimaji,
35:02then they will
35:03not allow to
35:03reach to the
35:04hospital.
35:04If you see, a
35:05person who has
35:06consumed the
35:07Salfaz and
35:07every second
35:08counts, the
35:09priority should
35:10have been rushing
35:10to the hospital
35:11to save his
35:12life.
35:13But you
35:14haven't answered
35:15my question,
35:16but the video
35:17of the dying
35:17testimony, is it?
35:18He's mentioned
35:19Chima there.
35:19Why is he not,
35:20the finance minister
35:21mentioned in the
35:22FI?
35:23I have already
35:24told you, there
35:25are two videos.
35:25If you see the
35:26first video, in the
35:27first video, he did
35:28not take the name
35:29of Chimaji.
35:30In the second
35:31video, they just
35:32to create a
35:33manufacture of false
35:34narrative against
35:35the Chimaji, they
35:36created that second
35:37video.
35:37So, sit has been
35:38marked in the
35:39case.
35:40This is a
35:40propaganda, this is a
35:42campaign against
35:43Ahmadinejee party
35:44government, their
35:45minister, that the
35:46victim was forced to
35:47take the name and the
35:48Congress party is now
35:49turning it political
35:50because Punjab
35:50election is approaching.
35:53Well, first and
35:54foremost, I want to
35:55tell what the
35:55chronology is.
35:57Mr. Gulzar had
35:58asked some relevant
36:00questions about the
36:01drug menace that is
36:02prevalent in Punjab,
36:03given that his own
36:04son was into it.
36:05And he was thrown
36:07out of the program
36:08that was done by
36:10Mr. Harpal Chima, the
36:11finance minister of
36:12Punjab.
36:13He was humiliated, he
36:15was threatened and
36:16such circumstances were
36:18created that he was
36:19forced to commit
36:20suicide and today he
36:22is no more.
36:23And before he died, he
36:26gave an oral dying
36:28declaration, which is
36:30a cogent piece of
36:31evidence in which he
36:32said that Harpal
36:34Chima is responsible
36:35for his death.
36:36Now that is crystal
36:38clear, the deceased,
36:40Mr. Gulzar Singh
36:41himself has said
36:42Mr. Harpal Chima is
36:44to be blamed for his
36:45death, is responsible
36:46for his death.
36:47Yet, Mr. Harpal
36:48Chima has not been
36:49nominated in the FIR
36:50because the Ram
36:51Admi party apparently
36:52believes that the law
36:54for them is different
36:55and the law for common
36:56people is different
36:57because I haven't seen
36:58even a single case
36:59wherein there was a
37:01dying declaration but
37:02the person who was
37:03named in that dying
37:03declaration was not
37:05nominated, I haven't
37:06was not nominated, I
37:07haven't seen him in a
37:07single case in my
37:08legal career.
37:10And number three, now
37:11there is a pattern to
37:12the Amadmi party, this
37:13is not the first time.
37:14Before this, there have
37:15been many instances.
37:16There was an incident
37:16of Professor Balvinder
37:18Kaur ji who had
37:19committed suicide
37:20wherein Harjot Bans
37:21was named another
37:22minister of the Amadmi
37:23party.
37:24Then there was an
37:25incident with regards
37:26to a DM, Gagandhi
37:27Pram Dhabha in which
37:29Amadmi party's minister
37:31Laljit Singh Bullar
37:32was named and
37:34tilled it, he is
37:34behind bars.
37:36Then there was an
37:36incident with regards
37:38to a Mohanjit Singh
37:39who had shown black
37:41flags in a program
37:43that was being done by
37:44the chief minister
37:45Punjab, Mr. Bhagwant
37:46Man and what was done
37:48to him, I will come to
37:49that later.
37:49Are you politicizing it?
37:51Let's take his
37:51question.
37:51Are you deliberately
37:52doing it because
37:53elections are approaching?
37:56Not at all.
37:57If anyone is trying
37:58to politicize the
37:59issue, it is the
37:59Amadmi party.
38:00We are asking for
38:01the truth to come out.
38:02We are asking for
38:02the justice to be
38:03done.
38:04We are asking for
38:05a wrong to be done
38:06right and it is the
38:07Amadmi party that is
38:08trying to brush things
38:09under the carpet, that
38:10is trying to save one
38:11of their own and I
38:12have given you four
38:13examples.
38:14Professor Balvinder Kaur,
38:15then of DM Gagandhi
38:17Pram Dhabha, then of
38:18Mohanjit Singh and then
38:19Gulzar Singh.
38:19You see a pattern of
38:21intolerance.
38:21You see a pattern of
38:23suppression.
38:24Amadmi party, I
38:25want to ask them this
38:26one simple thing.
38:27The last week, what we
38:29saw with regards to
38:30Mohanjit Ji was, he
38:31had asked similar
38:32questions about drugs
38:33and he had shown
38:33black flags.
38:34What happened to him?
38:35Thousand slippers.
38:36He was hit with a
38:37thousand slippers is
38:38what he said.
38:39He was thrown into
38:40the toilet.
38:40The issue here is,
38:41he was electrocuted.
38:42There is evidence that
38:43he confronted the
38:44minister like any
38:46rightful citizen,
38:46especially when your
38:47own family member,
38:48your son is being
38:48affected and a
38:50reliable and a
38:51complete dying
38:52declaration does not
38:54require corroboration.
38:55It can serve as a sole
38:56basis for criminal
38:57conviction and it can
38:59be seen as a document
39:00that can be legally
39:01admissible as well as a
39:03dying declaration for
39:04you to say today, sir,
39:06but no, somebody pushed
39:07him, somebody forced him
39:08to mention, somebody asked
39:10him to say, there is no
39:11corroboration for that.
39:12No, no, no, no, no.
39:14One second.
39:14Now, I want to make it
39:15very, very clear.
39:16In the video...
39:18Ashwit, Ashwit, I asked
39:19that to Ahmad Bipati.
39:20Let him answer.
39:21Let him answer that.
39:22Let him answer that.
39:23Go ahead.
39:25First of all, I have
39:26cleared the whole thing
39:27because there are two
39:28videos.
39:29In first video, this
39:31person did not take the
39:32name of Mr. Chima.
39:34Initially, when he was on
39:35the way to the hospital,
39:36he was forced to take the
39:38name of Mr. Chima for the
39:39sake of this dirty
39:40politics.
39:41The politics, today
39:42Congress...
39:43Which other video you
39:44are talking about?
39:45Because I know of a
39:45confirmed video where he's
39:46taking the name.
39:48No, already a set has
39:50been formed to
39:51investigate the matter.
39:53What was the allegation
39:54in the first video?
39:55It will be decided and
39:57investigated.
39:58And who doctored and
39:59who tried to make the
40:00second video just to
40:01create the narrative, that
40:02has also been
40:03investigated.
40:04So, wait for the set to
40:05report.
40:06But at this stage, every
40:08time, this is not the
40:10first time, every time
40:11they look for the
40:12persons of death or a
40:14dead body to politics
40:15in the Punjab.
40:16Because they don't have
40:17any ground over there.
40:18You know, neither
40:19Congress nor BJP
40:20Akali is having any
40:22progressive things to
40:24speak or anything to
40:26say against the
40:26Ahmadi Party.
40:27They try to look at
40:28this kind of...
40:28Affirmative.
40:29Okay, so the Congress
40:30has nothing much to say
40:31against the AAP government.
40:32Just to push the Ahmadi
40:33Party.
40:33Yes, to now give it a bad
40:35name.
40:36But Ashreet, what has
40:37concerned me though, and
40:38you tell me about it.
40:39Rahul Gandhi saying an
40:40hour ago, the people of
40:42Punjab, especially the
40:43Dalits, should become
40:45vigilant regarding the
40:47misuse of power by the
40:48Ahmadi Party government.
40:49Is it not provoking the
40:51Dalit community as well?
40:53No, not at all.
40:54It is not provoking them.
40:55It is cautioning them.
40:57It is Mr. Gandhi showing
40:59care and concern for
41:00them.
41:01Because the Ahmadi Party's
41:02government has done this
41:03to a person right in
41:05front of us wherein he
41:06has taken the name of
41:07the minister.
41:08What else do we need?
41:09And I want to tell you
41:11as a lawyer also that I
41:12haven't seen a single
41:13case wherein despite a
41:14dying declaration, a
41:15person was not nominated.
41:17And in this case, what
41:17should have been done?
41:18Now here the Ahmadi Party
41:19is taking a defense that
41:21he was coerced.
41:21Now, we have all seen
41:23the veto.
41:24Do you think there was
41:25any coercion in the
41:26veto?
41:26But he is also saying
41:27SIT has been formed.
41:29Shouldn't that convince
41:30you and your party?
41:31No, no, no, no, no.
41:32One, nominating the
41:34person who has been
41:35named was paramount.
41:36It was the first thing
41:37that should have been
41:37done.
41:38Mr. Harpal Chima
41:38should have been
41:39nominated in the FIR.
41:40He has not been
41:41nominated because he is
41:42the finance minister.
41:42He is a powerful person.
41:43He is associated with
41:44the Ahmadi Party.
41:46And the police takes
41:47directions from the
41:48home minister.
41:49Who is the home
41:49minister?
41:50Mr. Bhagwan Taman.
41:51And Mr. Harpal Chima
41:52is the number two in
41:53Punjab.
41:53So my request here is
41:54that either a high code
41:56monitored probe be done
41:57or an out-of-state
41:59probe be done so that
42:00justice could be meted
42:01out to Gulzar Singh Ji.
42:03I want to give you one
42:03more example here.
42:05Now, the Ahmadi Party is
42:06taking a defense that he
42:07was coerced.
42:08However, Gulzar Singh Ji
42:10has nowhere said that he
42:11was coerced.
42:12Before he died, he
42:13nowhere said that he
42:14was coerced.
42:15He cannot, you see in the
42:16video, he is talking, the
42:18manner in which he is
42:20talking, it's a relaxed
42:21manner.
42:22He is not talking as if he
42:23was coerced or forced to
42:24do anything.
42:25And number three, this
42:26defense if Ahmadi Party
42:28wants to create, that is a
42:30subsequent thing.
42:31But let the person be
42:32nominated in the FIR.
42:33Because I just have a few
42:34more minutes, I want to
42:35hear from.
42:36One last point.
42:37Go ahead, last point then
42:38I'll give Sashi Vee the
42:40fine point.
42:40Yes, go ahead.
42:41Perfect, perfect.
42:41My request here is had it
42:43been any other case, had
42:45it been any other person,
42:46he would have been
42:47nominated right after the
42:49dying declaration.
42:49That is the natural
42:50course of action.
42:51And if the Ahmadi Party
42:52has a defense to it, you
42:54do use that defense in the
42:55trial, nah, he would be
42:57acquitted.
42:58Sashi Vee, there are
42:59multiple issues here.
43:00So a quick response to
43:01that because the Punjab
43:02voter and viewer is
43:03watching.
43:04The drug menace doesn't
43:06seem to be coming to an
43:07end.
43:07Now there's addition of
43:08drug mafia allegedly
43:09coursing a person, almost
43:11taking the step that
43:12you're saying forced him
43:13to commit suicide because
43:14of the drug mafia.
43:16Then there's a ruling
43:17party that's facing the
43:18charge that they were so
43:19influential, even if a
43:20dying declaration names
43:22him, he will not be
43:22mentioned in the FIR.
43:24So you tell me as a
43:25voter and a viewer
43:27watching you, what is
43:28then the Ahmadi Party
43:29going to do in this case
43:30because it reflects very
43:31poorly on you right now?
43:34First of all, I would
43:35say the SIT has been
43:37performed, the SIT is
43:39investigating with regard
43:41to the second video.
43:42There is one video also.
43:44There is the first video
43:45in which he has not
43:46taken the name of the
43:47Chima that has to be
43:48appreciated as evidence.
43:50And then there is
43:51another second video
43:52which those person who
43:54are forcing him, those
43:55person who are putting
43:56the name in his mouth
43:57that has to be seen, the
43:58SIT.
43:59So matter is under
44:00investigation.
44:01So for the sake of
44:02politics, dirty politics,
44:04or to manufacture and
44:05some forced
44:06So let's hope that at least
44:07the SIT will be impartial
44:09and independent and that
44:10man who is no more will
44:11get justice in this case
44:13and that there will be no
44:14pressure on the family
44:15about it.
44:16I appreciate you joining us
44:17Buddha, Mahabhi Party and
44:18Congress Spokespersons.
44:19That's all the time I have
44:20for.
44:20I'm wrapping up to the
44:21point.
44:23I leave for the viewer to
44:23decide what's happening in
44:25the country.