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Prosecutor Jay Tolosa and defense lawyer Sheila Sison clashed over whether informants should be paid if there is no proof that their information led to a successful operation. After Presiding Officer Chiz Escudero intervened, witness Michael Poa admitted that buying information does not always lead to success. (Video courtesy of Senate of the Philippines)

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00:00Pwede mo nang bayaran ang informant ng reward kahit walang success.
00:04Your Honor, it's not misleading.
00:06Precisely, I'm asking him to...
00:08Your Honor, every time the defense counsel speaks,
00:12she demands that everyone listens to her.
00:15I could ask for a review of the DSM, Your Honor.
00:17Councils, I cannot understand anymore.
00:19Actually, Your Honor, I know what he's trying to say,
00:24so I can actually answer him intelligently.
00:25Can you help him, Attorney Powell, already to obligate the proceedings?
00:28I'm not saying na hindi kailangan may correlation yung success doon sa...
00:34Nang isusumiti mo na evidence of success, hindi kailangan may correlation.
00:39You're not saying that.
00:40I'm not saying that.
00:41What I'm saying is na hindi lahat ng informasyon na binibili,
00:46sa aking pagkakaintindi,
00:47siyempre pinag-aralan ko rin naman siguro ito nung ini-interview ako dati dito,
00:51hindi naman lahat ng binibili mong information
00:54ay necessarily magkakaroon ka agad ng success.
00:57So, iyon ang sinasabi kong qualified, yes.
01:00Sige, sige.
01:00So, ibig niyong sabihin,
01:02ang interpretasyon mo,
01:03kahit wala pang success,
01:05ang interpretation niyo,
01:07pwede mo nang bayaran ang informant ng reward.
01:10Kahit walang success.
01:11Now, that's misleading, Your Honor.
01:12Your Honor, it's not misleading.
01:13No, it's misleading, Your Honor.
01:15Because the question was phrased at kahit wala pang success.
01:18That was not the answer of the witness, Your Honor.
01:23Counselors, I cannot understand anymore the points you're raising.
01:27Attorney Poa,
01:30Sampong informants binayaran ninyo,
01:33ang sinasabi mo,
01:33hindi lahat ng sampong informasyong binigay ay mag-lead sa success.
01:38Yung lima siguro, yung walo.
01:40Yes, because, Your Honor,
01:41I'm saying that,
01:42I have to clarify,
01:44wala talaga akong personal knowledge
01:45sa operations mismo ng DepEd.
01:47So, I'm answering based on my understanding.
01:51Based on, of course,
01:52what I've read
01:52when I was trying to study.
01:54You don't have personal knowledge
01:56na hindi naman lahat ng information na nabili mo,
01:58obviously,
01:58will lead to success.
02:01So, that's what you're saying.
02:03That's what I'm saying.
02:04Interpretation mo,
02:04of what was circular is,
02:06sa sampong binayaran,
02:08hindi naman siguro lahat yun
02:10kailangan mag-lead to success.
02:11Basta ultimately,
02:13yung sinurveillance was successful.
02:15Meaning, no untoward incident.
02:16Yes.
02:16As you defined it.
02:18Okay.
02:19Attorney J, move on.

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