00:00There, so I think Indonesia, there are successes, you know, you could say it's much more complicated.
00:27There's many different sorts of institutions, you know, political institutions, you know,
00:32I think if you think about inclusive political institutions then that's about the nature
00:37of the state, the capacity of the state to raise taxes, to implement policy, but it's
00:43also about the distribution of power.
00:46You know, you think of that in terms of democracy, in terms of how well democracy does at making
00:53politicians accountable, inducing them to provide services to the people to kind of act in the
00:59general, the collective welfare.
01:02Economic institutions, I'm not an expert on the Indonesian economy, so, you know, I could
01:08say, you know, if I just looked at the data, you know, obviously in the political sphere
01:12Indonesia has become, it's disentangled itself from colonialism, you know, it's slowly built
01:20democratic political institutions in the past 20 years after having had a long period of autocratic
01:26rule under President Suharto and the military, you know, so it's built inclusive political
01:33institutions.
01:33I'm not quite sure I understand how the state works here or the economy.
01:38I would say that if you look at the big picture, if you look at the national income, you know,
01:43for example, the capital of Indonesia, it's about $5,000, you know, it's grown, it's grown,
01:50you know, but it's grown much less rapidly than it could have done if you compare it to,
01:56say, South Korea over the same period of time or Taiwan.
02:00I think that tells you something about the potential that is there.
02:04So, I think Indonesia, there are successes.
02:08You know, you could say it's a much more complicated country.
02:10It's a much more complicated place to build a post-colonial state than South Korea.
02:15and so the problems were harder.
02:17That may well be true.
02:19But I think those numbers suggest there's a lot of unfilled potential here.
02:41When the people of the country were fighting for Indonesia, there were three obsessions of them.
02:48One, the independence.
02:49The independence.
02:50Then it's already figured that we are being developed.
02:54It's about it.
02:55Then the economic- encima internal agreement
02:56and in언ference,
02:57it is obviously necessary.
02:58So, because it was a small case,
03:01the first world of 나 was filled up for healthier people.
03:06In the right room,
03:08that was a annual experience and vital situation.
03:13많은 germans that are состояниarms of them.
03:15So, great times the things and metaphors of them are draining and into publication,
03:19And the sanctification families whose father's community,
03:19dan kesejahteraan
03:20dan muara dari Pancasila itu adalah
03:23keadilan dan kesejahteraan
03:25bagi rakyat Indonesia
03:26nah sekarang ini
03:30yang terjadi adalah
03:32tidak ada satu
03:35roadmap, komitmen
03:37indikator
03:38padahal
03:41Pancasila itu sebagai galuan negara
03:43garis besar halal negara itu
03:46tidak usah dibuat, tidak apa-apa
03:47ikuti saja Pancasila
03:49dari keberagamaan, melahirkan
03:51kemanusiaan yang adil dan beradab
03:54ini pesan agama
03:55dan nilai universal
03:56kemudian persatuan Indonesia
03:59ditemukan dengan cara apa?
04:01musyawarah, mufakat
04:02maka kita menciptakan sistem demokrasi
04:06untuk apa?
04:07untuk keadilan sosial dan kesejahteraan
04:10dengan kata lain
04:11sekarang ini Pancasila
04:13harus dibaca dari bawah
04:16diukur dari bawah
04:18itu observable, measurable
04:19kalau ketuhanan itu abstrak
04:22tapi sudah berhasil
04:23tapi keadilan ini
04:25sebab kalau tidak
04:26Indonesia ini
04:27gagal tidak
04:28tapi lamban sekali jalannya
04:31dan terlalu mahal
04:32ongkosnya
04:33negara ini
04:35dibentuk untuk melayani rakyat
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04:41mereka yang dilayani
04:42jangan kemudian mereka lupa
04:45pada ibu kandungnya
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