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Never has the marriage between religion and politics been so evident as during the Trump administration. With Evangelical leaders in the White House, both domestic and international policies - namely Israel - took an unsettling turn. But Christian Nationalism is not confined to the US. Its unrestrained rise is of increasing concern in Europe and beyond.
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00:00Jesus Christ, we evoke your name! Amen!
00:04Amen!
00:07Let's all say a prayer in this sacred space.
00:10Thank you, Heavenly Father, for gracing us with this opportunity.
00:14Thank you.
00:15This is like the sacred place.
00:17Thank you for filling this chamber with patriots that love you and that love Christ.
00:22Thank you for allowing the United States of America to be reborn.
00:25Washington, January 6, 2021.
00:28During the attack on the Capitol incited by Donald Trump,
00:31a mob of his supporters stormed the House of Representatives and pray.
00:37We love you and we thank you. In Christ's holy name we pray.
00:40Amen!
00:42Donald Trump didn't change America. He revealed America.
00:46And the same is true of evangelicalism.
00:48He didn't change evangelicalism.
00:50He just showed us who we truly are in some ways.
00:55And the reality is,
00:57ever since the Babylonians took the Israelites out of their homeland,
01:02God's man has waited by the side.
01:05Because John said,
01:07I saw one.
01:08When he spoke,
01:09it was like the sound of many waters.
01:11His feet were like fine rocks.
01:13He's the glory of the city.
01:15He's the eternal city.
01:16And he's coming back for you and me.
01:20But his name is Jesus Christ,
01:23the Son of the living God.
01:37I want to say a word of greeting to somebody who happens to be a friend of mine.
01:42He also happens to be the most resilient,
01:46the most courageous,
01:47the most faith-friendly president in the history of America,
01:52President Donald Trump.
01:54President Trump, we love you.
01:58So will you stretch your hands and pass on President Trump.
02:01These are some of your great...
02:02During the four years of Donald Trump's presidency,
02:05conservative Christian evangelicals make themselves at home in the White House.
02:09They are led by the charismatic, prosperity gospel preacher,
02:13Pastor Paula White.
02:14He gets up because we know that prayer makes a difference.
02:18A marriage of religion and politics,
02:20the likes of which has never before been seen in the USA.
02:26In the course of his four-year presidency,
02:29he put into effect more biblical principles
02:32than any other president in modern times.
02:35And that includes standing for Israel.
02:44As president, one of Trump's first decisions
02:46will be to recognize Jerusalem as the capital of Israel.
02:50For the members of his campaign's evangelical advisory board,
02:54that alone grants him near biblical status.
02:58There is a comparison between Donald Trump and King Cyrus,
03:02who is a pagan Persian king who God used to allow the Israelites to go back to Jerusalem.
03:10So it's an example of where God used someone who was ungodly
03:14to accomplish his purposes.
03:18On May 14, 2018,
03:21Donald Trump does not attend the inauguration
03:23of the new American embassy in Jerusalem.
03:28We welcome you officially and for the first time
03:32to the embassy of the United States here in Jerusalem,
03:37the capital of Israel.
03:38He is represented by his daughter, Ivanka,
03:41and the pastor, Dr. Robert Jeffress.
03:44And I believe, Father, I speak for every one of us
03:47when we say we thank you every day
03:50that you have given us a president
03:52who boldly stands on the right side of history.
03:56For evangelicals, what has been important
03:58is that he has given them three Supreme Court justices.
04:00He has given them a lot of judges.
04:02He has done the things that he asked them to do.
04:05And they did not care about his particular moral stances or issues.
04:09They didn't care about what he said.
04:11What they cared about was that he cared about
04:13whiteness and their whiteness.
04:20Decisions made at the highest levels of government
04:22under the sway of conservative religious leaders
04:25will stoke tensions and divisions.
04:28You will hear our cry.
04:30You will hear our mother's cry.
04:33The danger is that the faith becomes identified
04:37with certain political movements.
04:40This whole Christian nationalism
04:43tries to blur the distinction between faith and politics.
04:50In coming to power in the United States,
04:53the evangelical movement contributed
04:54to a revival of religious nationalism
04:56that has led to dangerous social, political,
04:59and geopolitical upheaval the world over.
05:29Little German
05:32Avaxha Tauta
05:35For the sake of my brethren and my friends
05:39For the sake of my brethren and my friends
05:43I will request peace for you
05:51And it's a call of redemption
05:54To reconnect to the creation of the world
05:57To reconnect to the covenant in Sinai
06:00To reconnect to the entering into the land of Israel
06:04To reconnect to the kingdom of God
06:07To reconnect to the announcing of God's royal kingdom over the world
06:23Jerusalem, a holy city for all three Abrahamic religions
06:27Jews, Christians, and Muslims
06:31The most fought over city in the world
06:34The city where, according to prophecy in the New Testament
06:37The second coming of Christ will take place in the end times
06:43Evangelicals are actively preparing for that coming
06:45Because for them, the prophecy can only come true
06:48When all the Jewish people return to Israel
06:53It's very interesting to see how the evangelical movement
06:59Has recognized the fact that the words of the Bible
07:04Are being fulfilled in front of our eyes
07:08And I think this is something very great
07:09Because when the Bible was written
07:12Almost all the nations were idol worshippers
07:13And here we see that the world is becoming a monotheistic world
07:20Rabbi Yehuda Glick's Shalom Jerusalem Foundation
07:23Is fighting alongside ultra-conservative Jews and evangelicals
07:27To rebuild the temple of Solomon
07:29Which has been destroyed twice
07:32They want to reconstruct it on the same site
07:34Where it stood before the Romans destroyed it in the first century
07:38And Gaiba says that Hashem, God Almighty
07:41Chooses the temple Mount Zion
07:44As his throne
07:45As his palace
07:47And this is the place where he's chose
07:49To rest his divine presence in the world
07:52And he says
07:53Our goal is to turn this place into a house of prayer for all nations
07:57Now we're seeing the redemption process
08:00Proceeding, advancing
08:03But Al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock
08:06Now stand on Temple Mount
08:08One of the three most sacred sites in Islam
08:11The reconstruction of the temple
08:13Would require destroying the mosque
08:15Muslims around the world
08:17Refuse to envisage that possibility
08:20Islam is a false religion
08:22That's not an unusual stance to say at all
08:27Islam gives a different path to heaven
08:31They don't believe in the same God
08:33The God they believe in had no sons
08:36Christianity says God has one son
08:39And it's through faith in Jesus Christ
08:41Allah of the Quran is not the Yahweh of the Bible
08:48That denial has led to a rejection of the idea of sharing holy places
08:52A hardline position supported both by the Trump administration
08:56And by Benjamin Netanyahu
08:58The Israeli prime minister
09:00And president of Likud
09:02A conservative right-wing party
09:04Trump, who is probably the least devout person on the face of the earth
09:11For expedient reasons
09:15Allowed his policies
09:17Or shaped his policies
09:19In the image of end-of-days evangelicals
09:23Netanyahu is about as devout as Trump
09:29And he allowed his policies to be driven
09:32Both by the settlers
09:34The Temple Mount Movement
09:36And by the evangelical Christians
09:53For the opening of the Jerusalem prayer breakfast
09:56Israeli legislators and evangelicals
09:58Pray together at the heart of the Knesset building
10:01This three-day conference brings together
10:04Whether in person or remotely
10:06Over 500 delegates from 60 countries
10:10Inspired by the national prayer breakfast
10:12Launched in Washington by Billy Graham
10:14It was founded in 2017
10:16By Robert Illetoff
10:18A nationalist party member of Knesset
10:20I believe you are rich in love
10:22You are rich in the love
10:23Because the world of the Jewish people
10:26The Jewish people
10:26Who believes in the world
10:27Even in the Mount
10:28And even in the Doncation
10:28Even in the turned-of-days
10:30And even in the U.S.
10:30And even in the teu-day Fed
10:32Even in the Middle East
10:33They actually told them
10:38They actually told them
10:39They told them
10:39They told them
10:41That there was a deal
10:42There was a deal
10:43To their own
10:44There was a deal
10:45An-the-legic
10:47To support
10:48The idol
10:48Ele fez algumas coisas importantes, como o conhecimento do Golan, porque há uma cidade de Israel.
11:07Março 25, 2019.
11:10President Donald Trump reconhece a soberania israelis sobre os Golan Heights,
11:14enquanto a área de annexação durante a six-day war nunca foi ratificada por a comunidade internacional.
11:21A biblical place, crossed by a trans-Arabia pipeline e a reservoir de água para a região,
11:28o Golan Heights são de grande importância e são os sujeitos de frequentos clases entre Israel e Syria.
11:36Em gratitudine, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
11:39renamed one of the main settlements the Israelis had built there Trump Heights.
11:44O Golan Heights, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
11:44O Golan Heights, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu
11:48Texas oil and gas leaders and the politicians who represent them,
11:53the religious leaders who help sponsor them,
11:57are playing a critical role in Israeli politics.
12:01For instance, by, again, defending the expansion of Jewish settlements into Palestinian areas,
12:08very much to, again, shore up what they envision as the Israel that will await Christ's return.
12:20Building settlements in the occupied territories continues with financial support from evangelicals.
12:26Sandra Oster Barras, an American Jew, made Aliyah in the late 1970s.
12:33Since 1995, she has run the Israeli office of an NGO called Christian Friends of Israeli Communities.
12:40She has raised tens of thousands of dollars.
12:44Her mission? Encouraging permanent Israeli settlements all across Judea and Samaria.
12:50Sister Dania for the Palestinians.
12:53She is particularly proud of financing protection from terrorist attacks for the Jewish communities.
13:00We are funding communications equipment. We are funding cameras. We are funding emergency lighting.
13:07We are funding fire equipment and ambulance, you know, equipment for the ambulance, monitor defibrillators.
13:15We have provided for this community and for others.
13:17And these are all things that are needed in the event of an attack.
13:23She organizes guided tours to biblical territories for these principally American evangelical donors,
13:29many of whom are from Texas, as well as media-friendly events like tree planting ceremonies.
13:35Take a tree, start planting, and the kids will come and help you.
13:39Although she shares many of their moral values, she is both anti-abortion and pro-family,
13:45she refuses any proselytizing intended to encourage Jews to convert to Christianity.
13:50Now, I am very happy when we have pro-Israel Americans who pressure their own government in ways that are
14:00good for Israel.
14:01That's excellent. That's not changing Israeli policy. That's changing American policy.
14:05That's the difference.
14:08Yes, I want our allies, you know, what country doesn't want to have a better alliance with a particular country.
14:15But it's not for that country to try to come into the foreign country and stir up trouble in that
14:21country.
14:22But if their own constituency is supporting a different kind of relationship with the country, that's something else.
14:28It's great that the evangelicals are behind.
14:30Excellent! And it may not last forever. But while it's going on, it's very good.
14:41But there is a problem. Mostly Muslim-Palestinian populations have been living for centuries in the towns and villages of
14:49Cisjordania,
14:50a territory that Israel claims as Judea Samaria.
14:55Sandra, like many evangelicals from the conservative American right, wishes that Palestinian presence would just disappear.
15:03Every option that I would support means Israel continuing to control all of Judea and Samaria, more than it does
15:09today even.
15:10I don't have any problem with the creation of a Palestinian state so long as it's not in Israel.
15:16There is no Palestine that existed during the time of the Bible. God has a unique plan for Israel, and
15:26he is going to one day fulfill those promises, we believe.
15:30And to be against Israel is to be on the wrong side of God.
15:35The price of this politically motivated theological and historical denial falls on the Palestinians.
15:44In East Jerusalem, they account for 40% of the population, and are regularly expelled from their homes.
15:52Since 1967, 30,000 of them have been living behind 25-foot-tall walls in the Shufat refugee camp.
16:01Lawyer Daniel Seiderman, an international advisor on the Camp David Accords, has been denouncing this situation for 30 years via
16:09the non-profit he founded, Terrestrial Jerusalem.
16:13We are seeing the ascendancy of those religious movements that weaponize religion, that is becoming dominant, and it contains the
16:25seeds of a transformation of the conflict from a national political conflict which can be resolved into a zero-sum
16:38religious conflict.
17:01For decades, the Temple Mount, as some groups call it, or the Holy Esplanade for others, has been the site
17:09of frequent violent clashes.
17:15The Evangelicals and Trump have been portrayed as the greatest friends of Israel.
17:25Give me a break.
17:26They are looking forward in real time, in these days, for there to be the rapture, in which Jews will
17:37be offered two wonderful alternatives, convert to Christianity, or burn in hell forever.
17:45Thank you, I have other plans for my future.
17:58In the United States, as in Israel and Brazil, political emphasis on moral and religious identity has rekindled social divisions.
18:10Summer, 2020, George Floyd's death during his arrest.
18:14The violence of the images of his arrest, which spread across social media like wildfire, fueled demonstrations across the United
18:22States.
18:23A state of emergency is declared.
18:26Trump is ready to call out the army.
18:30And you're silent when Michael Brown is killed in Ferguson.
18:34You're silent when Sandra Bland dies mysteriously in jail in Texas.
18:39You're silent when Trayvon Martin is shot dead.
18:42You're silent with Breonna Taylor.
18:43And even when we see George Floyd, you know, expire before our eyes after having his neck kneeled on for
18:51eight minutes and 46 seconds.
18:53And as a church that cares so much about life that that's the only thing that you vote for, that
19:00you have nothing to say in that moment, then it just comes across as disingenuous.
19:05And so I don't, you know, until something radically changes in the way that evangelicals operate in the here and
19:13now, then I'm just not convinced.
19:16I just think it just seems like this is more about being the vanguard and the protector of white supremacy
19:22and, you know, and white superiority and white control of this country than it is of anything else.
19:38When the Black Lives Matter movement reaches the gates of the White House, Trump decides to come out and answer
19:44them in person.
19:48Donald Trump got up from a meeting in the White House.
19:51He walked across the street from the White House through the park.
19:56He went over to St. John's Church in that climate with Marxists and they were toppling and destroying statues.
20:03He, he was very brave at great risk to his own life.
20:07And what he was saying when he held up the Bible is that you will not destroy the word of
20:13God.
20:14No matter what, the word of God will last forever.
20:20The staging warms the hearts of Michelle Backman and radical evangelicals.
20:26The person in charge of St. John's Church, which was used as a backdrop for the photo op, wasn't informed
20:32about the president's intentions.
20:36It's the Bible and empire, right?
20:38It's the Bible and white supremacy.
20:41Because it's not, you know, it's, that's, that's the, that's the alliance that is made.
20:49And there are some extraordinarily disturbing racial overtones to that particular branch of Christianity.
20:57And just this afternoon before I came here, I was at one of our churches on Capitol Hill.
21:03And the priest called me and said, I'm on my way down.
21:06Someone has tied a noose from one of our trees.
21:10They chose a tool of execution, um, that was used to terrorize black people for over a hundred years in
21:19this country, right?
21:20One of the deepest stains of our country's history, right?
21:25That part of our psyche, our American psyche, it's always been there.
21:30It's always there.
21:31But when you allow it to, when you give it air and you give it moral cover,
21:41and a president who fuels it.
21:50The specter of systemic racism raises its ugly head once again.
21:54Since the 1915 release of Birth of a Nation, one of the first big budget Hollywood films,
22:00it had never completely disappeared.
22:02The film is based on The Klansman, a historical romance by Thomas Dixon,
22:08a white supremacist Baptist minister from North Carolina.
22:12The profoundly racist film portrays African Americans as savages and glorifies the Ku Klux Klan.
22:24You cannot avoid the story of white supremacy in modern America
22:29without understanding such popular films as Birth of a Nation,
22:33which very much essentialized the lost cause.
22:37This notion that, uh, the civil war had been, uh, had erupted because of the activism of African Americans
22:50and abolitionists, uh, who were trying to upset the natural order of things.
23:00The happy ending ties the film directly to fundamentalist Christian values.
23:07After saving the heroine from presumptive rape, the Ku Klux Klan restores law and order.
23:19The victim can finally be married in a joyful ceremony under the watchful eye of the celestial Christ who joins
23:27the party.
23:32That moment in D.W. Griffith's film when they show Jesus coming down is really important
23:38because, basically, it's the blessing of the white family by Jesus.
23:42And the sacralization of violence, I think that's really important,
23:45is that Jesus supports the violence that is needed to keep the white family in power.
23:54Towards the end of Donald Trump's term as president,
23:57four months of Black Lives Matter rioting revives the specter of white supremacy,
24:02which didn't disappear with the end of legal segregation.
24:08Its reemergence plays a decisive role in the presidential elections.
24:19When the victory of his Democratic rival Joe Biden is announced,
24:23Donald Trump refuses to concede, claiming that the election is far from over
24:29and accusing the Democrats of electoral fraud.
24:32He will claim to that stance for two months until January 6th,
24:37the day that Congress certifies the outcome.
24:40He exhorts his followers across America to gather in Washington for a wild protest.
24:45All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen
24:50by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they're doing.
24:54We will never give up. We will never concede.
24:57It doesn't happen. You don't concede when there's theft involved.
25:01The fact that's even a question in the United States of America
25:04would have seemed insane 20 years ago.
25:07Now it's a real issue.
25:09The rejection of the election result by 70% of Republicans.
25:15Most of whom are evangelicals have rejected the legitimacy of an election.
25:21This is a first in American history.
25:23Even in the Civil War, the election of Lincoln was not rejected as illegitimate.
25:30So we're a step further now in terms of a deterioration of our body politics.
25:39I was in Washington, D.C. that day.
25:41I was there at the Capitol. I was up there praying.
25:44I was with other Christians.
25:46We were praying for the peace of the United States, the peace of the process.
25:50And I will tell you, the people who were up there were the happiest people in the world.
25:55It was like a family reunion up there.
25:57People were having prayer meetings. They were just happy people.
26:04They don't all stop at prayer.
26:072,500 of them march on the Capitol.
26:11The insurrection is underway.
26:17Here you see signs talking about Jesus saves or people carrying the Confederate flag.
26:26There's this odd sort of conflation between these two movements, you know, the white supremacy on the one hand and
26:36the religious right on the other.
26:38And I think part of the reason for it is that the religious right has not dealt with its own
26:44complicity with racism.
26:50When folks march to the Capitol carrying Trump flags and American flags and Jesus signs, right?
27:02That's what broke my heart, all the Jesus signs.
27:10In that riot, as they come into the congressional hall, you hear them begin to say prayers, right?
27:17So you see all of this. And I think what it surfaced was so troubling for many of us.
27:25Now, there may have been Trump people who foolishly walked in that Capitol, but they weren't the instigators.
27:32They weren't the people who were smashing the windows.
27:35And I believe that that was a planned riot by Antifa and Black Lives Matter.
27:40And it was a coordinated effort. It wasn't Trump supporters.
27:43That's why it's a coup. The Marxists, like any other country, just like in Russia or Cuba or Venezuela or
27:52any other country where the Marxists have come in and taken over, that's what they do.
27:57There's only one election. They come in and they're in power.
28:05So the January 6th attack was a fake insurrection staged by the Marxist Democratic Party to discredit Donald Trump?
28:13The accusation seems absurd when you know that members of the conspiracy theory movement QAnon, with close ties to the
28:20far right, led the attack on the Capitol with the complicity of the president himself.
28:26The United States and the rest of the world are stunned. A lot of evangelicals are too, like Randall Balmer,
28:34historian and Episcopal minister.
28:38The tragedy is that evangelical once meant something. It was a dynamic movement that spoke out against the sins of
28:55society.
28:56That spoke out against racism and the great economic divides in our society.
29:11But the movement has been so drained of any sort of morality that the word has become political.
29:25You know, Jesus said, lukewarm, I spit them out of my mouth.
29:30And I think that probably is not a bad description for what has happened to the term evangelical.
29:38I worry about using the word evangelical to cover all of that because it's a very particular expression of evangelicalism.
29:46It's not all evangelical. There are progressive evangelicals. There are pacifist evangelicals.
29:50There are progressive anti-racist evangelicals. But this is a powerful block and it's well funded. That's the difference.
30:00And it had also access through media outlets like Fox News and others. Just a constant megaphone throughout the country.
30:11There are enough self-correctives in the American system that allows some of that to slow down, but it's been
30:19a worrisome trend for us.
30:22And, yeah, it's really hard.
30:33The attack on the Capitol didn't degenerate into civil war, but it did profoundly shake both American democracy
30:40and the evangelical world, which suddenly realized just how far it had gone.
30:46Like Robert Schenck, once a key player in the moral majority, who has since recanted his most reactionary beliefs.
30:57Jesus wept.
31:01I'm not sure there are two more powerful words or a more powerful phrase, sentence, fragment, really, in all of
31:15the Bible.
31:16Jesus wept.
31:19This implicates so much for us.
31:27To me, this speaks of Jesus' humanity and that he felt emotion, empathy, sorrow.
31:40One of the great mistakes that Christians have made historically, that Christians in the United States are making now in
31:51particular,
31:52is to forget that Jesus was fully human.
31:57And this is being lost.
32:01And it allows us to mistreat humans, to reject humans, even to annihilate or to destroy or kill another human.
32:16It gives us permission to do this.
32:21The shock is a violent awakening for a large swath of the evangelical world.
32:28Nikki Toyama Seto, a Japanese American, is the coordinator of Evangelicals for Social Action.
32:36A progressive movement born in the early 60s, it was eclipsed in the public's awareness by the rise of the
32:42moral majority.
32:43The close ties between Trump and the Christian right convinced them to change their name.
32:50Will you join me in praying?
32:53God, we lament for the putting of country before you.
32:59We say that that is idolatry.
33:02We confess the temptation to consolidate power, to rely on ourselves and our American individualism,
33:11and instead we want to be people of peace, powered by the Holy Spirit power.
33:19Grant mercy.
33:20Have mercy on us, Jesus.
33:22Amen.
33:24We've been in a process for about three years, really wrestling with the name Evangelicals.
33:30Since 2016, Evangelicals have become associated with the political movement that supports Donald Trump.
33:40And I think really the actions of that administration began to imprint itself on what people understood Evangelicals to believe
33:50and to be about.
33:51We began to realize that there was a real racial connotation with the word evangelical.
33:58That evangelical, as it was commonly used, really meant white evangelicals.
34:02And it reflected a certain set of social values, a perspective about the world that, quite frankly, was very different
34:10from the one that we were pursuing as a Christian community.
34:13So in September 2020, we decided to change the name to Christians for Social Action as an act of hospitality.
34:24Reverend Rob Schenk will be our next speaker.
34:28While remaining true to their faith, they seek to stand up to Christian nationalist movements.
34:34More and more of them have started understanding themselves as post-evangelicals.
34:40One of the first religious voices to speak out in opposition against Adolf Hitler and his racialized nationalism.
34:49The man who persuaded Robert Schenk to enter the resistance is Dietrich Bonhoeffer, a German theologian and pastor known for
34:57his staunch opposition to Nazism in 1930s Berlin.
35:00In the name of his religious beliefs, he participated in a plot to assassinate Hitler.
35:07He was arrested and hanged.
35:09In 2019, Robert Schenk founds the Dietrich Bonhoeffer Institute in order to promote the German theologian's writing, raise awareness of
35:18his beliefs and actions, and train evangelical leaders to resistance.
35:22Robert Schenk has not listened to our story, and so how to have that discussion with evangelicals is something I'm
35:33thinking about, especially white evangelicals, of course.
35:36How do we do that?
35:37You know, I'm careful to say that Donald Trump was not Adolf Hitler.
35:43There was only ever one Hitler. For that matter, only one Trump.
35:47These are unique personalities.
35:50But what I will say is that the same errors being made by the conservative churches in this country are
36:04nearly exact to the errors made by the church in 1930s Germany.
36:13Dietrich Bonhoeffer warned that the church in particular, as a source of conscience for this day, must speak early, because
36:25there comes a point when it can no longer speak.
36:29And that's what happened in Germany. We can't let that happen here.
36:44The preacher-activist Shane Claiborne is also part of that circle of resistance.
36:52Together, they draw up the Christians against Christian nationalism statement.
36:59During the Iraq war, he volunteered with Christian peacemaker teams, an international ecumenical pacifist NGO.
37:12Now he focuses on fighting the consequences of the Second Amendment to the U.S. Constitution,
37:17the one that guarantees citizens the right to bear firearms, even weapons of war.
37:23A right that Christian nationalists defend tooth and nail.
37:29Oh, my gosh.
37:32Shane Claiborne founded a nationwide network of blacksmiths who accept weapons from those who agree to give them up.
37:38They melt them down into crosses, hearts, or gardening tools.
37:43Sometimes I tell people that's what a born-again gun looks like.
37:48This Christian nationalism is not just a threat to democracy.
37:53It's a threat to Christianity, to orthodox Christian faith.
37:58And many people that are saying no to this Christian nationalism are not saying no to Jesus.
38:05So we created a statement against Christian nationalism now has thousands and thousands of signatures.
38:13And it's not just the usual suspects.
38:15It's not just people that are progressive.
38:17But as many of us have been saying, this isn't just about left and right politics.
38:22This is about right and wrong.
38:26The Christians against Christian nationalism statement gathers thousands of signatures across the world.
38:33But it isn't until the end of Trump's term that the World Evangelical Alliance finally condemns the rise of Christian
38:40nationalism and its ties to the far right.
38:46The Christians and Muslims must be convinced.
38:50The Christians and Muslims must not convince them.
38:51They must have conserved and much more.
38:54The Christians must have a lot for themselves.
38:54And they must say, what we believe, what we themselves think.
38:56What are they say, the Christians say not you.
38:59The Christians what you want to do with the Constitution?
39:02For example, for example for the FD, that is not a Christian Christian.
39:05That is not your dictatorship, that is your dictatorship, but it is not your dictatorship.
39:08E isso é claro que também, também, em América, acho que foi feito.
39:14Às vezes, os que não foram tão na verdadeiramente,
39:19eles foram ditados em relação ao mesmo tempo.
39:21Aqui em Alemanha, na verdadeira da A.F.D., na França ou na verdadeira do país,
39:27em relação aos outros, eles falaram,
39:29isso tem com o nosso cidadão não tem a ver.
39:38Dreamed up by its pastor and principal founder, Ivan Carlué,
39:43the Espace Grand Paris is inaugurated in 2021 as a socio-cultural center.
39:49Every weekend, Martin Luther King Church rents the auditorium
39:53where Ivan Carlué leads two services every Sunday.
40:05Up to 8,000 faithful attend in person.
40:08The crowd is young and diverse in the image of the French Evangelical Renewal.
40:18Hoping to bring Jesus back to society's core,
40:20the church's high-tech mega productions are followed by 40,000 more people online.
41:09Some Sunday afternoons, the service turns into a debate which is filmed and rebroadcast online.
41:16That's MLK+.
41:18The star of today's show, Christine Kelly.
41:21If a day on me said that I would interview Christine Kelly, I would say the world has changed.
41:25The journalist became a star as the host of Face à l'Info,
41:29the most popular program on CNews, a channel that belongs to the Baudouret Group.
41:34For three years, she shared the set with the far-right polemicist Eric Zemmour.
41:40As an Evangelical, Christine Kelly is invited to testify about her personal faith.
41:44Tell us in a few words, what did you have here?
41:48I was coming to witness the power of God.
41:52I was completely betrayed by God and I left it piloted.
41:56I left it piloted.
41:57I left it piloted.
41:57Every evening until today, before the episode, I was in the toilet.
42:02If I forgot, I was in the toilet.
42:07And you were talking about the testimonial of the voice.
42:09We are shocked all the two.
42:11We are shocked.
42:11And the others also, it's amazing.
42:40To reintroduce faith to French society,
42:42Pastor Yvonne Carleway has thrown the doors of his church open to people of all Christian denominations.
42:49Les évangéliques, avec les catholiques, peuvent se retrouver autour de plusieurs causes communes
42:54qui tiennent à la défense de ce que tous les deux appellent la vie,
42:59c'est-à-dire leur opposition au droit à l'avortement,
43:03qui tiennent aussi à leur conception de ce qu'ils vont appeler la famille.
43:07Et derrière la famille, vous avez la question des droits homosexuels,
43:12l'attachement à une conception très conservatrice,
43:16hétéronormative de ce que c'est que l'homme et la femme, etc.
43:27In France, the media group Canal Plus, which was bought by the fervent Catholic billionaire Vincent Bolloré,
43:33promotes conservative Christian values.
43:38On August 16, 2021, the Canal Plus group news channel C8
43:44broadcasts an anti-abortion feature film
43:47produced by an extremely conservative American studio.
43:50In prime time, the program creates a scandal.
43:54There are appeals to the French broadcast regulatory authority.
44:00Les logiques de politisation qui travaillent l'évangélisme,
44:03y compris l'évangélisme français,
44:06elles peuvent conduire à un moment donné,
44:08lorsque les croyants ont l'impression d'être à un seuil,
44:11il faut défendre le pays comme un pays chrétien.
44:14Il y a cette sensation qu'on est à un moment décisif
44:18où il ne faut plus faire dans le détail.
44:25Nous avons le sentiment que depuis le vote de cette loi,
44:28nous sommes devenus une catégorie de citoyens à surveiller.
44:32Pensez-vous de votre côté que cette loi puisse être amendée
44:37pour respecter le comportement des communautés chrétiennes?
44:43For Thierry Légal,
44:45director of evangelical pastoral services to the French parliament,
44:48Christian's tolerance threshold has been reached.
44:51Member of the Evangelical Council of France,
44:54he is meeting today with Senator Bernard Fournier,
44:56a practicing catholic,
44:58to discuss the separatism of church and state law
45:00that was passed in 2021.
45:03In his opinion,
45:04it has changed France's traditionally tolerant secularism
45:07into combative secularism.
45:10En tout cas, moi, je me pose beaucoup de questions et je suis inquiet.
45:14Quand je vois les réactions, par exemple, concernant la fin de vie,
45:19on nous fait comprendre que c'est naturel, que c'est la mode, que c'est l'évolution.
45:25On peut décider de mettre fin à sa vie.
45:28Alors que pour nous, c'est tout à fait contraire à nos valeurs.
45:34L'avortement, c'est la même chose.
45:37Et puis, les bons vieux laïcards de notre république,
45:43qui mettent en péril ces valeurs judéo-chrétiennes,
45:46mais d'une manière cachée.
45:50J'emploie ce terme qui me semble le mieux adapté,
45:52d'une manière sournoise.
45:53Je fais le même constat.
45:55Il existe des courants en France
45:57qui tentent de déconstruire l'héritage anthropologique,
46:01civilisationnel du christianisme.
46:03Et comme le dit le monsieur sénateur,
46:05oui, effectivement, il existe depuis des dizaines d'années
46:06des courants qui tentent de déconstruire
46:08cet héritage du christianisme, clairement.
46:11Sous-titrage Société Radio-Canada
46:41Either way, the millenarian obsession remains the same,
46:45saving civilisation from collapse
46:47while preparing for the second coming of Christ.
47:06Would you join me in welcoming a great Christian,
47:10a great American, a great friend of First Baptist Church Dallas,
47:14Mike Pence.
47:15Throughout Trump's presidency,
47:18Mike Pence defined himself as a Christian first,
47:21a conservative second,
47:22and a Republican third, in that order.
47:25Many evangelicals see him
47:27as their future candidate for president.
47:30It is good to be back in church.
47:36And to celebrate freedom
47:38also means standing with our allies,
47:40with freedom-loving people around the world.
47:48Those apostles tell you that Trump is the king of God,
47:50it's the king who sends us it,
47:51it's the king of the providential.
47:53And simultaneously, they tell you that after Trump,
47:55there will be another one.
47:56And if we wanted to have another one right now,
47:59I think Mike Pence would do perfectly work.
48:03Because for the fact, Mike Pence,
48:04it's the pure product of two generations of Christian rights
48:08and it's the pure product of the American Republican Party.
48:22Eight months after Donald Trump's defeat,
48:25Mike Pence is no longer in power,
48:27but he is already on the campaign trail,
48:29both in the United States and in Europe.
48:31Here he is in Budapest as a guest
48:33at the Demographics Summit
48:35organized by Victor Orban,
48:38the Hungarian Prime Minister
48:39and spearhead of the European far-right.
48:45Other guests include representatives
48:47of the French far-right,
48:49like Marion Maréchal Le Pen
48:50and Eric Zemmour,
48:53the CNews commentator
48:54and main French promoter
48:56of the theory of the Great Replacement.
49:01One month later,
49:03Zemmour announces that he will run
49:05for president of France.
49:08Like Mike Pence,
49:10his catastrophic discourse
49:12focuses on the collapse
49:13of Judeo-Christian civilization.
49:21And finally,
49:22we see a crisis
49:23that brings us here today,
49:25a crisis that strikes
49:27at the very heart
49:27of civilization itself,
49:30the erosion of the nuclear family,
49:33marked by declining marriage rates,
49:35rising divorce,
49:37widespread abortion
49:38and plummeting birth rates.
49:41Strong families
49:42make strong communities
49:44and strong communities
49:46make strong nations.
49:52Alongside Mike Pence,
49:54Viktor Orban
49:55has gathered the heads
49:56of the European nationalist
49:57right wing,
49:58the presidents of Serbia,
50:00Slovenia,
50:01Poland
50:02and Bosnia-Herzegovina
50:04as well as the Prime Minister
50:05of the Czech Republic
50:06united beneath the banner
50:08of the Great Replacement.
50:10The fight these heads of state
50:12are leading
50:12with the European nationalist movement
50:14in the name
50:15of Judeo-Christian civilization
50:16is not actually
50:18a religious struggle
50:18but a question of identity.
50:2850 years after the landmark
50:30Roe v. Wade decision,
50:31the judges of the U.S. Supreme Court
50:33overrule that decision,
50:36returning the authority
50:37to regulate abortion
50:38to states.
50:41Contraception,
50:42LGBT rights,
50:43gay marriage,
50:45religious freedom,
50:46foreigners' rights,
50:47and more
50:48are all targets
50:50for religious nationalism
50:51around the world.
50:58Wherever the separation
50:59of church and state
51:01is threatened,
51:02democracy is weakened.
51:06Evangelicalism is part
51:07of my DNA.
51:09It's part of who I am.
51:11and there are times
51:13I throw up my arms
51:14and I say,
51:16you know,
51:16these people are
51:17are
51:20are
51:21are heretics.
51:22They're sinful.
51:23And yet,
51:24as somebody who believes
51:25in the gospel,
51:27somebody who believes
51:27in the New Testament,
51:29I read that
51:31Jesus raised
51:32Lazarus from the dead
51:34even after his body
51:35had begun to decay.
51:36And if Jesus can do that,
51:39I think Jesus
51:40can save evangelicalism.
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52:01Amém.
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