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00:00all right welcome to deja vu episode two last week if you tuned in we did the prestige versus
00:05the illusionist with kind of a route kind of a route 14-1 14-1 is a pretty is a
00:11tough showing
00:12it was like the fucking 2016 warriors playing against mary school for the blind women's team
00:17this wasn't that bad it wasn't like have you seen that clip where it was uh they're talking to i
00:20think it was gobert arenas and like what did you play with and he's like lebanon he's like you think
00:24you'd have a chance versus the nba team and he's like we had a chance oh you fucking did but
00:29like
00:29well gilbert arenas had a gun yeah he did have a gun if he had a gun to the illusionist's
00:34credit i
00:34feel like we all came away saying like it's way better than we thought it was but we did think
00:38of it as like a punchline to the yeah i still didn't recommend the movie yeah but barely but
00:43barely yeah i did not recommend it was close and this week we are doing dante's peak versus volcano
00:48two movies that came out in 1997 i'll go through them one by one first give quick thoughts on it
00:53starting with dante's peak a volcanologist great word i love a good like botanist yes like job
00:59description which just sounds cool we have blogger and podcaster sucks we need to think of a way like
01:04a latin-based term uh audiologist like media media mediaologist or something like i don't know we
01:10need to think of a way better title for our job uh arrives at a countryside town recently named the
01:14second most desirable place to live in america and discovers that a nearby long dormant volcano may
01:19awaken at any moment directed by roger donaldson who did the bounty sleeping dogs and the bank job
01:23new zealand director writer is leslie bohm who did it's a the alamo and daylight then stars pierce
01:31rosin linda hamilton chris uh hallahan grant hers uh hesloff we talked about a little bit yes we'll
01:36get more into him later uh because his career after this is very interesting uh composed by james
01:41newton howard who did the hunger games dark he did the dark night with zimmer among many other things
01:45rated at 34 on tomatoes 3.0 on letterbox uh made by pacific western production is distributed by
01:51universal cost 150 million dollars to make made 178 global it was released february 7th 1997
01:58uh starting out just give quick thoughts start with you clever what did you think on your rewatch
02:02of dante's peak well just a quick backstory on this so uh when i was just i just came out
02:06when i was a
02:06high school senior and me and my buddy had never gone to cooperstown before and we went to cooperstown
02:11for the for this this this weekend this came out and we had we weren't old enough to go to
02:15bars and
02:16stuff so we just went to the mall and saw a movie that night and we saw dante's peak so
02:19this brought
02:20back a lot of like like memories of that like that trip my buddy and i took to cooperstown um
02:24yeah it did uh i think i might have liked it a bit more than even when i saw it
02:29at that shopping
02:30mall in oneonta new york back in 1997 so i i came away enjoying it a tiny bit more than
02:34i remembered
02:37i think and maybe just because i grew up watching this is just on cable constantly oh really i hadn't
02:42seen it constantly and just kind of blows the six-year-old's brain at least mine uh and i think
02:48i liked it a little less i don't know uh at least the dramatic parts but i will say this
02:53thing aged
02:54looks wise very well yeah really well yeah there's some scenes that we'll talk about in greater
03:00specifics but there's some scenes i'm like that could have been made today yeah visually looks
03:04better than a lot i know it's made today it's crazy looking at and it goes without saying pierce
03:09brosnan yeah you want to talk about someone who still looks good and has aged very well but good
03:14lord does he look good here this is pre-bond this is right before he did uh no yes i
03:19think this is
03:20the movie he made one year after uh goldeneye his debut it was one year before when you okay i
03:26apologize i thought it was one year okay 95 is golden okay i apologize uh so it's one year so
03:30this
03:30will be made after goldeneye yeah okay so first they're like ah let's what do we do with james
03:36bond next let's make him the hottest usgs employee this is like peak brosnan right like looks wise
03:42and like you know like don't even know he was so straight to black bag i know that's the thing
03:45he's
03:45like aged to like the hottest 80 year old like it's like the ideal look he was in a show
03:51in the
03:5180s called remington steel which was like james bond light and like he might have looked that might
03:55have been peak brosnan's so handsome is it mr mr mom mr mom where he was the other guy no
04:01mr mom
04:01mr doubtfire mrs doubtfire he was sally field's husband yes or not husband boyfriend that she
04:06wanted to yes uh i think i'm more in your camp clemmer like i liked it more than i remember
04:13liking me too and i think i have a great appreciation for it uh more so again just we talk
04:17a lot about i
04:17think at least on pbs and everything else like that like we love practical and the watching this
04:22movie like how they shot it how they put together the miniatures the special effects like shooting on
04:26location which they did in idaho uh i really enjoyed it a lot more than i thought i i remember
04:31watching as a kid like a gucci saying on tv a thousand times uh and interesting you mentioned
04:34pierce brosnan because michael douglas was originally the lead in this kurt russell was
04:38also considered and backed out okay makes sense uh sandra bullock turned down the linda hamilton
04:43to do cruise control c2 cruise control which is that's tough that's really really tough and also
04:49reading more about it like the director roger donaldson was a geology student before he became a
04:53director so he was really interested in volcanoes already which is kind of gets led into this a little
04:57um so i liked it a lot more than i remembered uh and then it's going up against volcano uh
05:03a volcano
05:03erupts in downtown los angeles and a city official and seismologist try to another great turn great
05:08title seismologist it's fucking not what my wife can say uh it's trying to stop an inevitable flow
05:14through the city uh the directed by mick jackson who did the bodyguard in la story written by jerome
05:20armstrong this is the only movie he ever wrote and billy ray who did the hunger games captain phillips
05:24richard jewell interesting filmography um the stars tommy lee jones and heche uh don cheetle
05:29gabby hoffman gabby hoffman this by the way the cast in this movie is crazy like oh you stop in
05:34a
05:34frame you see three actors like they've been on to be bigger stars it's crazy uh keith david john
05:39carroll lynch among many others uh composed by adam sylvester which i think you could tell almost
05:42immediately yes he has such an iconic wave you hear those back to the future like almost like those
05:46chimes a little bit time to time or like even avengers like you see bits of avengers in this score
05:50uh its rating is actually higher 48 were on tomatoes 2.7 a little bit lower than on letterbox
05:5620th century fox movie cost 90 million to make made 122 uh released april 25th 75 77 days apart
06:03um what do you but you what did you think of volcano on your rewatch or watch i like this
06:08one
06:08better you like volcano better but like we'll get to the comparison between the two but i did end
06:13up liking this one more and i think it's because as a kid the see this is like the flip
06:19side like
06:19the the volcano stuff did not age very well for this movie and it wasn't very good to begin with
06:24because it's like very slow move like it's just comical and we'll talk about it uh but like the
06:30stuff outside of it like all the character actors the performances across the board are great and like
06:34riveting and really draw you in um so i did end up liking it more uh it is a very
06:40stupid fucking movie
06:41very dumb very fucking stupid like roland emmerich would look like a harvard grad
06:49yeah like this is stupid um but yeah also we solved racism we did solve racism within the
06:57volcano which is very that was right before right this is like what couple five years past
07:01rodney king yeah about that and this is you bring up roland emmerich though i think a big reason he's
07:05got green lit though was independence day came out what 96 now obviously independence day you know
07:09these were in production and but you could tell this disaster movie like twister we can put more
07:14money twister came out in 95 six before five six yeah um it's like right so you had kind of
07:20this
07:21like wave of disaster moves in the late 90s because you had them in the 70s too a towering inferno
07:24beside an adventure and you kind of saw this this re-wave in in the late 90s um it kind
07:30of i guess
07:30peaking or with armageddon i guess was kind of like the last yeah that was kind of everything kind
07:35of went down yeah for sure but this was in the height of it for sure and when these movies
07:38came out
07:39this was talked about like them being twin movies like people i can do believe we're getting two
07:42volcano movies it was it was a major like among movie people like in entertainment weekly a
07:46premiere magazine this was talked about well is this the biggest in terms of like combined budget
07:52and you know what i mean like it might be armageddon deep impact okay oh yeah probably
07:56this is up there those these are two expensive movies for that time i was gonna say two
08:00basically 100 million dollar productions in 1997 that's that's crazy what is that today like 250
08:06probably 100 yeah what do you think of volcano i liked it less so we might have a little bit
08:12of uh
08:12at odds here um that was gonna be way better than the last episode where it was i think we
08:15might
08:15have a little battle here on our hands um i liked it i'd never seen it before um i i
08:20thought
08:20i completely agree that you have these incredible actors uh timey jones don cheeto i mean john
08:26carroll lynch is like one of the better characters look at his work in zodiac like he's incredible
08:30um but unfortunately the script is so weak and the effects are nowhere near as good as they are in
08:37dante's peak and i just the story of dante's peak this story is all over the place this is a
08:42mess
08:43the script is just just a complete train to the point where like why would tommy lee jones agree to
08:48do
08:48this so yeah so uh i i walked away disappointed in volcano yeah they actually offered tommy lee jones
08:54role to ed harris and bill pullman which is kind of interesting just seeing like the other people
08:58that would pullman would have been great pullman would have been perfect i'm kind of surprised like
09:01why would tommy jones was a bigger name at the time not by much but you just won an oscar
09:06it might have been like he was like the third guy they thought of going to okay man was just
09:09off of
09:09it maybe maybe they were he's too old too because him and i was gonna say this was very clearly
09:14written
09:14for a young younger guy yes yes yeah bill very much so or at least younger looking guy yeah yeah
09:20not looking like a fucking catcher's mitt from 1960 yes yeah uh i think he i think his like next
09:26movie
09:26was playing ty cobb yeah to be fair one of those guys that really just like you know he's ugly
09:32but
09:32he's also a very handsome man like oh there is he has that right i'm with you guys i think
09:38a little
09:39bit between you guys on volcano like i appreciate volcano i think a little bit more than dante's peak
09:44because they're kind of like different movies in a way where in dante's peak it's kind of
09:49traditional disaster movie yeah it's like things happen how do i escape and then this is kind of
09:53different in that volcano is like how would a municipal city like a city respond and try to
09:57fight a disaster it's like a godzilla almost yeah like they're not fighting it in dante's peak like
10:02you gotta get the fuck out of here how do we right how do we live this isn't like how
10:05do we live it's
10:06like how do we stop it which i think is interesting kind of looking at that response fair that is
10:10interesting also the con the time element so like this all takes place at a 24-hour period in
10:15volcano where dante's peak is telling more of a true story yes exactly uh and definitely a little
10:20more consolidated but again that cast like you'll turn around you'll see like richie or not richie
10:25april uh jackie april yeah he's like one of the guys i mean right and that's that's the guy who
10:29finished second by the way in tony soprano like he was he was the runner-up if gandalfini is never
10:32born that guy plays tony soprano exactly and like you'll turn and you'll see like suzy esmond from
10:36kirby enthusiasms the babysitter of gabby hoffman right she's not even in the credits like that
10:40shows you how stacked this cast is it's insane looking at in retrospect like one of the news in
10:44the wire i saw like it's it's just it's a nuts cast uh but like last episode we'll go through
10:49this in
10:49categories and we'll break down which one we were to point to uh starting with the plot uh let's start
10:55with you gooch what did you think what do you think had the better plot between volcano and dante's
10:58peak they're both not great plots for different reasons like if you want to like sit here and like
11:06attack it from a science angle like which one is like more coherent is very clearly i think dante's
11:12peak like no questions asked but there's also stuff in dante's peak where it's like why are we just
11:19harping on the fact that this is the second best small town with 20 000 people i like that it's
11:23a
11:23funny bit but it's like we run it back three times everything with i think like the kids in both
11:29these movies is terrible oh oh come on i don't think gabby hoffman's not terrible she's terrible
11:35i don't know she starts she's the other kids are horrible she starts the movie as a rebellious
11:40teenager who wants to get like her nose pierced in the second the lava hit she's clutching her
11:44fucking no shit acting like she can't even jump over one little what would you do what i want to
11:50see you in lava buddy i'd do better than that he reverts to like a five-year-old child oh
11:57i think
11:57that's that's unfair i'm throwing a flag that's unfair that's bullshit that's not right you didn't
12:01like the joseph gordon levitt kid in uh dante's peak i thought that was him oh no i i didn't
12:07think
12:07it was no but the girl looked like she could be uh sarah uh linda hamilton's daughter she looks
12:12just daughter looked just like her yeah um and like it's it's like very much like both these movies
12:18are like boomer male fantasy movies and like there's always you do if this was you yeah it's
12:24like uh old man shows up on the scene gets the girl gets to step in and be the step
12:29the dad that
12:30stepped up yeah the dad that stepped up oh man and so i guess plot wise man you know what
12:39i'm gonna
12:39zag here i'm gonna go volcano i do like i like the response elements i i do love the don
12:45cheeto in the
12:46room like i love the middle management like we're just gonna call different departments i don't know
12:51why tommy lee jones has this much authority but it's fun to watch him just like boss people around
12:55and what was it like he just flew in from like st louis and they act like he's like a
12:59fucking like
12:59country bumpkin from the hills oh yeah yeah is that that midwestern work ethic or whatever yeah
13:04yeah it's not kansas st louis which is like why would you say the state like why wouldn't you say
13:09missouri one for volcano yeah that's the story script that's that's erroneous by gooch that's
13:15bullshit he knows that's he knows he's full of shit there neither of these movies have good scripts
13:20okay but which one was i like more engaged by which one did i like really have more fun with
13:26and i
13:26think that's a whole different that's it we have that category for fun entertainment value you need
13:30to factor into the fifth category this is this is simply the writing the writing here this it has a
13:35much more aggressive story this story it's all over the place but like think about volcano think
13:41about how it ends when he picks up that little boy and he says where is your mother and he
13:46looks
13:46around and that little boy says they all look the same everyone's faces are the same
13:51that's what i mean stuff like that like dante's dante's book dante's peak is not a perfect movie
13:56but at this and you're right neither of these have like great stories but like it is a more that's
14:03a
14:03story you got this guy had you had the shit that happened to him in south america and then he
14:08escapes that you know he loses his girlfriend whatever he goes to this town the town you kind
14:14of learned about some of the figures in the town i thought i did a pretty good job building everything
14:18up i like the glenna hamilton character i like that she owned the store she's the mayor this small
14:22town i i appreciated that did you like that uh she got to reconcile with her her husband and her
14:29mother-in-law i kind of didn't hate that i did i it's better than than the than the racist
14:35cop
14:36like the racist that's bullshit sucked he said he said if i'm in your face you'll know bro like that
14:43like that shit's horrible like so so yes i did i did like that more yes i did and i'm
14:47firmly saying
14:49dante's peak i don't think if you say otherwise you're just lying to yourself i'm stuck between them
14:53because i i agree with parts of what both of you are saying right like dante's peak i think the
14:59storyline being simplified is sort of better but the romance b plot sucks the kids suck kids suck
15:05it happens so fast he he becomes that those kids stepfather in like two seconds he saves that kid
15:10from jumping in the uh the hot spring you're a happy family at the end of this movie yeah that
15:15happens in like four days they went through a lot the bypass oh sorry it's an hay she's like 30
15:21years
15:22younger than tommy jones there's no way she wants to fuck him there's no way they held off they don't
15:26i don't think they don't they don't oh you know that the second they got home that night it's left
15:30on set it's very obvious that there was the original script very clearly like the original script was
15:36like they're gonna fuck oh yeah and then tommy they like they got tommy how do we get how do
15:40we
15:40let's just have them hug dante's peak spent a lot of time in this romance people which i don't
15:44think worked i don't think they particularly had good chemistry on it either hamilton and
15:47prosident but the in the simple escape stuff is very generic but and i i like the volcano urban
15:54response like i like it's different to me and interesting but i don't like the like we solved
15:58racism through volcano i don't think that works it's only like five minutes so it's like why is
16:03it there but it's like why is it there it's why it shouldn't be i don't know who thought of
16:07that or
16:07like i think maybe they felt because they had it because the lpd they had because that time maybe
16:11they felt like they had to address it they addressed everything in those five minutes they hit
16:15rodney king they hit uh they hit the oj trial everything the la riots they did it all so i'm
16:21kind of stuck between them i do think those actual story beats of volcano are more interesting
16:26and the dialogue if you're going between back and forth like i'm trying to think of like what
16:30parts i like the most like when john carol lynch throws that kid or guy when he's mulling the
16:34volcano that is probably my favorite individual scene between each movie and i think that's really
16:39dramatic and well done so i'm gonna go with volcano oh that's how about the scene when they're in
16:43the rowboat and the grandmother jumps out and gets her legs in that crazy acid water i was
16:47that's crazy i was cheering that's see you got this this is wrong i see where this is going this
16:53is
16:53wrong you think your mother-in-law would do that for you i think she would do you think dave
16:57would
16:57do that for you dave portland yeah would do john carol lynch john carol lynch wouldn't got his
17:02employee no dave would throw me in the water that guy did that thing to john carol lynch or to
17:06dave in
17:07the super bowl where he like dragged him up with dead legs yeah god that's such a good clip uh
17:12so
17:12now we have two two to one for a volcano after plot and writing now we have acting starting with
17:16you clemmer which movie do you think i better acting yeah the better acting is clearly volcano
17:20see i'm you know i i can be an unbiased person here and like you two clowns uh no the
17:25the acting
17:25here is actually so good it's like why did they do this movie yeah like don cito is like actually
17:31kind of fantastic at this movie yeah really fucking good really like legitimately like a really good
17:35performance without even like doing like trying too hard it's just like this casual way he has
17:40about him he's also just a fantastic actor tommy jones is doing good for what's given to him which
17:44is not much uh even anne hache like the moment after her her friend dies she goes up and she
17:49just
17:50kind of like sits against the fire truck is like what the fuck just happened and then like that's like
17:54that's good acting um i'm not saying the acting in dante's peak is bad it's really not bad for
17:58disaster notable you know for a disaster movie though it's not bad not linda hamilton gave a nice
18:02performance i think it's actually for a disaster movie that genre it's in the
18:05top half of acting movies yeah um or acting performances rather for those kind of movies
18:10but the acting here is actually like good like like it's by far by far the best part of this
18:16movie
18:16i think we've talked about him a lot but like don cito like i don't need to see the movies
18:19again man
18:20he's such a good actor dude marvel ruined like him having to do all those marvel things like
18:24i think i think it just monopolizes your time it's a lot it's a lot of time i feel like
18:28he should be
18:29doing other stuff uh gooch what do you think of acting i mean yeah this is this is very clearly
18:34volcano and it's not that dante's like clummer said not that dante's peak has bad acting i
18:38do think linda hamilton is kind of rough in this movie but i think she's put in a bad spot
18:44she just does not match well against pierce brosnan i don't think that's fair i don't think
18:48a good performance though we're talking about like chemistry this week with uh one night only they
18:52don't really have chemistry at all it's just not believable that they're fucking it's less
18:57believable that pierce brosnan and linda hamilton are fucking that it is that tommy lee jones and
19:02anne hache like it really is um so yeah i'm leaning acting here yeah i'm on there as well i
19:10do think
19:10that part of these two different the ways the executions are different between these two movies
19:14like the volcano is more of a human story it's less about the volcano and dante's peak is really a
19:20lot about the volcano yeah i disagree i think it's a lot about how the like we need to show
19:26you big
19:27giant effects we need to show you big giant things and they look fantastic 10 times better
19:30than the volcano but the human story in volcano i feel like is way more interesting than the human
19:36story in uh dante's peak oh i could i couldn't disagree more i think i think the human story in
19:41dante's peak is much more interesting the the the story you guys mentioned the story in volcano is
19:46the response but there's no real like relationship things that are happening no that's not what i mean
19:51i don't mean there's nothing like i don't really care about i don't like the acting is good but i
19:54don't
19:55really like care about if these characters live or die where i cared and dante's peak if they did
19:59well that's i guess what i mean is like it's more procedural is maybe the wrong word but like how
20:04physically things would happen like how like how human beings react to the situation to try and save
20:08lives to try and uh stop it from happening and that to me is more interesting they're given more to
20:12work
20:12with with that than i think maybe pierce brosnan and all them are given and i don't know i just
20:17gotta
20:17go volcano everywhere every there's no bad performance in volcano where like i'm looking at it and i'm like
20:20wow that guy sucked he's bringing this thing down blah blah again volcano racism solving not great
20:27scene but those actors aren't like the actors can't help out they're just reading the lines yeah
20:30no i the acting in volcano is is actually top tier yeah so right now we have uh it is
20:36three it's five
20:37to one oh because you guys are lying to yourselves about the script so that's fine so now we'll do
20:42technicals which is you know cinematography editing lighting color sound soundtrack production
20:46costumes all the all the above uh starting out with me this time i i think it's a runaway for
20:53dante speak i like the look of dante speak a lot more they shot on location in um uh idaho
20:59looked
21:00great the effects hold up remarkably well uh i really like the score i think the score is like perfect
21:05like old school disaster uh soundtrack and this is new and how we're not silvestri really really enjoyed
21:10it uh classic disaster stuff throughout the miniatures getting blown up when the actual fucking
21:14explodes looks fantastic the chase scenes look good the car is exploding like everything in this
21:19movie looks fantastic it makes me miss when movies kind of used to look like this one thing that did
21:24make me laugh i'm curious if you guys picked up on it what happened um the bigger guy paul like
21:29his
21:29boss pierce boston's that kind of yeah yeah yeah when he died yeah they hit him with a wilhelm scream
21:35oh yeah which is so fucking funny when he like he's falling off the broken bridge it's so goddamn funny
21:41uh but i do think it's a runaway at least in my opinion for dante's peak uh but gooch what
21:46do you
21:46think yeah i feel like dante's peak and i i think it's i agree runaway here dante's peak though is
21:51like
21:51right in that sweet spot that we hit there for about 15 years where it's like the cgi hadn't quite
21:56gotten to where we were in the 2010s and so the smart people didn't over rely on it and combined
22:04it
22:04with those miniatures combined it with practical and it creates a like perfect blend that just ages so well
22:10you see with like lord of the rings where it's like this great blend that ages very well and then
22:15they do practical if you read about the production on volcano they did a lot of practical stuff like
22:21built a pretty much full city block yeah dude it's one of the biggest the biggest set ever built or
22:27yeah yeah on the one will share out that corner yeah it doesn't look as good but the movie's called
22:32volcano and the lava is made with what they used to make mcdonald's milkshakes and like made it glowing
22:37and oozing they're standing right next to it so like none of it feels tactile yeah none of it really
22:42feels all that dangerous until they're like the rats are getting cooked and then like there's no
22:46real coherent science behind this lava that's what i'm getting at and that affects how it looks on
22:51screen in my opinion yeah so volcano doesn't look great doesn't like the parts that are like human
22:58to human look fine but it's a disaster movie the disaster needs to look good when they're like
23:02moving the cars around and all that stuff like i think that looks good when they're on street level but
23:05like when they go to the subway when they go to like some of the other things i'm just not
23:08i was
23:08really kind of taken out of it except for the one subway scene which i thought looked really good
23:12but other than that not for me uh clever yeah this is uh far and away uh dante's peak here
23:18there's a
23:19scene and i so not the volcano but before the volcano is that earthquake yeah and you see an entire
23:24face of a building come down and i'm like that's one of the best action sequences i've seen like in
23:30like the 90s period like that's like right like the volcano stuff was really good that earthquake
23:35scene was about as good as you'll get in 90s action movies i was shocked i was really i was
23:40really impressed by it i'm like wow i'm surprised i didn't have more memory of this when i saw it
23:43the
23:44first time because i was really really impressed with those action sequences don't get me wrong
23:48there's some stupid elements like for instance prius broslin's the tires on that car must be stupid
23:53like they're on fire and they never go flat what an amazing tire that is but the the way i
23:59thought the
23:59volcano looked was you guys mentioned kind of that weird middle ground and uh for super critics
24:03robbie and i are doing spawn oh god which the cgi was such a mess and you have different cgi
24:08studios
24:08working on it so like ilm stuff was good but then this other stuff was horrible but like you could
24:13tell people just really didn't know what to do this new tool because jurassic park is like was
24:17incredible right that's like the first real like cgi everything kind of worked like and then t2
24:21like those are like oh shit like what they can do here um and abyss to some extent but um
24:26with this
24:28like i think this was this is such an interesting this is why i like really doing this show with
24:31you guys it's like it's really interesting to look back at this it's like all right one guy kind of
24:35did it right like you say gooch like all right let's kind of mix these two let's do mostly practical
24:39and then put in cgi we need to where you could tell it was almost like the opposite to some
24:44extent
24:44with volcano other than the set piece you know that we'll share yeah and it didn't doesn't work
24:48and um but i i think logistic like the score on both is i think pretty good uh i think
24:54the production
24:54design obviously these cost 100 million dollars so i think both both like are impressively made
25:01movies yeah um but for me it's because of the effects it's dante's peak yeah but both movies i
25:06think i think they look pretty good yes for sure and it's one of those things where i think when
25:11we
25:12imagine going back and watching a 90s disaster movie like oh well maybe it's not going to look as
25:16good in retrospect versus some of the stuff we see now but like it honestly looks better because i do
25:20think maybe part of it like you mentioned the tactile feel like disaster movies you need to feel it
25:25and i feel like big cgi explosion does nothing to my brain like this does not even register as
25:29actually white noise yeah but like seeing a miniature get fucking exploded like i'm it feels
25:35like something to me and like even like i know like they kept the hotel owner kept referencing a sign
25:39yeah seeing that sign crash was like oh shit like that was a real sign that crashed in front so
25:43you
25:43said that you feel something yeah we've all been cgi especially like kind of growing up or just
25:47watching movies the last 20 years i think we've just been cgi to death where they don't yeah it doesn't
25:51mean any of us yeah which and we'll talk about i think later too with some other disaster movies
25:55have kind of gotten them over-reliant on that for sure okay so right now it is five to four
25:59in favor
26:00of volcano now we can do directing so again the two directors in this one are for dante speak it
26:06was
26:06roger donaldson who did the bounty sleeping dogs bank job great uh i think he's a consider one of
26:11new zealand's best directors uh up against mick jackson who did the bodyguard and la story
26:16couldn't be more different movies by the way could not be more separate steve martin and you
26:19got winnie houston and you got this this is bizarre very very odd combo so let's start out with you
26:24gooch uh which director do you think was better i'm gonna go with my guy roger uh roger donaldson i
26:30do think this is dante's peak is the better directed movie uh there are interesting things
26:36in volcano but like the way it's structured and the way it kind of cuts from storyline to storyline
26:41kind of gives you a bit of whiplash and sometimes takes you out of the action in a way that
26:46i don't
26:47really love for this type of movie uh whereas dante's peak is just a much i guess since you're just
26:55with pierce bras and pretty much the whole way through just a much smoother ride at least you
27:00know as you experience it uh how about you clumber yeah i agree i think this is a taste issue
27:04though like
27:05it depends on how much you probably enjoy procedurals like if you enjoy like i don't know like csi or
27:09those
27:10kind of things you probably will enjoy volcano more i think both directors actually did a pretty
27:14decent job here yeah like i i completely agree with everything gucci did especially kind of the
27:19whiplash mentality you get with volcano but it's hard almost like not to do that with all the
27:23different characters and different like yeah that's angles that's the issue it's like do we need to cut
27:27to the you know the asian woman's like husband being like like oh you're down there with the poor
27:32people you should be working on tennis elbows you could tell like they didn't know what to do john
27:36corbett character another good actor by the way like and then like so they just kind of like he
27:40just vanishes how to do the movie like this is a pointless character so you feel kind of bad because
27:45that that's not the director's fault that's he's victim of the script at that point um and where
27:49roger johnson i think did a nice job too here but the effects and stuff that's the effects people
27:54i i don't think either one did a great job and either one did bad i would probably give like
27:58both like a b but i because the cohesiveness and like you said the lack of jumping around gucci i'm
28:03with
28:03you dante speak i'm kind of torn because i do think the directing on both i agree with you but
28:09the directing on both is very very strong um i i just think i prefer volcanoes approach yeah and i
28:16do think that they're part a lot of has to do with the direction and like you're like you were
28:20saying
28:20before you're approaching from like all these different angles from like disaster response to
28:24like humanitarian to like them have the um the hospital response to how like the subway employees
28:29are like it's like all these different angles that you're capturing and kind of getting almost
28:33like i don't want to say it's an anthology but you're getting all these different viewpoints
28:36which i think is a lot more interesting than just very straight cut away running away from big
28:40volcano like i like the production choices that he made way more but i i think the actual direction
28:46because you get like you're saying great performances out of all these people and now like
28:50it's not just the actors you can credit with that gotta credit him too i gotta go with uh volcano
28:54for this one so that makes the score right now six to six oh god volcano versus dante's uh peak
29:00so now we have entertainment value the last category starting with you clemmer which movie
29:04do you think was more entertaining yeah i actually like dante's peak i'm going to recommend dante's
29:08peak like i think it's a it's a movie i recommend i i like dante's peak even more than the
29:12illusion
29:12if you want to go back an episode like i i liked i which is funny because i remember walking
29:16out of
29:16the theater i said in oneonta 1997 being like oh that was okay i'm like i don't know man maybe
29:20i just
29:21appreciate the effects more now because yeah you know i've just now experienced like 30 years of cgi in my
29:26life
29:26and like some of those pieces were really good and i thought van hamilton was fine priest brosman was
29:31good and i don't know like that was pretty good volcano i walked away just disappointed you got
29:36you had this incredible cast you have this great budget and there's pieces there but at times the
29:41movie just i just didn't have i didn't connect to it when i've locked in on it so i i
29:45was definitely
29:46more entertained by dante's peak um but i will say this i mean we're going back and forth here
29:50neither of these are bad movies like i i i you can argue the disaster disaster genre might not be
29:56for you
29:56but like volcano is still an interesting movie and i'm still glad i saw it so right now uh one
30:00for
30:01dante's peak these are probably equal movie wise but entertainment wise i will lean volcano like i
30:07really was it maybe just because it's so stupid like which one would i rather watch like with a
30:13group of friends and i think that's kind of what these movies lend themselves to is like late night
30:17watching with another person with a group of friends volcano is like i was having a really good
30:23time last night watching this movie i really i really was it's stupid it's kind of incoherent
30:28the tommy lee jones relationship with ns is like what the fuck is going on but god damn was i
30:34having
30:35fun was i cheering when they got those fucking blockades up was i cheering this is it's tough
30:42this is i think the closest category to all comes down to you now yeah no is the last point
30:46uh it kind
30:47of this is like i think of all the categories probably the closest um but i would lean towards dante's
30:52peak yes and i take that gooch to think part of it is it's just like more straightforward as far
30:59as
30:59like when i think i'm like entertainment movie like what am i most entertained by it needs to be
31:02like kind of simple straightforward i'm a little bit more interested by volcano but i think i was
31:08more entertained by dante's peak because again the the chase sequences running away the actual
31:13volcano the effects like the towns blowing up like all that stuff to me was way more entertaining
31:17but it also took longer to get there it was like halfway through the movie and all this shit it
31:20takes a while
31:21to get there yeah just a long time and the volcano i feel like it's pretty quick it's like within
31:24the
31:25first half hour shit's happening yeah as opposed to like 50 minutes you're waiting around for dante's
31:29peak yeah but like once it gets rolling i think the you're just in a non-stop chase away and
31:35that
31:35chase is extremely entertaining so i'm just a pure entertainment value i'll go dante's peak but it's
31:40very it's very very close do you guys where do you guys recommend these movies or do you recommend
31:44either of these or like a general audience i think i recommend dante's peak yeah yeah yeah that you
31:50definitely have to be in a certain mood for these yeah i wouldn't be like you know you have one
31:53movie
31:54you can watch this week make sure it's dante's peak i wouldn't be like that no but like you know
31:57like on letterbox like you i give a heart if it's thumbs up or thumbs down if it thumbs up
32:00i give it a
32:00heart like i i give a heart dante's peak i wouldn't give one a volcano but it's close yeah yeah
32:04but they're just kind of dumb movies like if you're looking for something fun and done to watch like
32:08yeah these both would scratch that ish for sure that's fair uh some of the questions i had for it
32:13which i'm curious for you guys if you swapped the casts which movie would be better whatever
32:20you swap the let's say let's add on to this actually you swap the cast and director
32:24like dante's peak's already the better movie with the weaker cast so dante's peak but you
32:27swap the director now that's fine i think i think nick i think mick jackson who i don't know if
32:31he's a
32:31great director i think he did a fine job of volcano i think dante's peak then it just becomes
32:35like so much better because now the townspeople are don cheeto and john carroll lynch and shit like
32:39oh fuck let's go does it become better or worse though because i think a strength of dante's
32:43peak is that you're not you're pretty laser focused on like two two people really i don't
32:47know you're kind of just like a little bit distracted by a couple of his co-workers but
32:50like if you're on a lot of people you're working with here that you have to give screen time to
32:53it might be a little bit worse i i i don't see a single cat i the maybe better question
32:58for these
32:58movies like i don't know there's a cast member i wouldn't replace and i love pierce brosnan but
33:01like tommy jones is a i the casting volcano so me jones would have been great in dante's peak
33:07it would have been yeah it's just yeah i'm i'm with you clemmer like these are good performances
33:13and like in the lead spots and both these movies but how are these the people they settled on yeah
33:19like it's very strange it doesn't make sense sandra bullock would have been better sandra
33:23bullock would have been incredible in either roman and bill polman and volcano would have been
33:29insane so yeah pierce brosnan's was pretty good casting though for dante's peak
33:34for what that is so if the other more of the other options again for him it was uh michael
33:39douglas and kurt russell kurt russell would have been michael douglas is the best actor those three
33:45yes but he's too like cerebral and too dark almost in a way i wouldn't like him as a fit
33:49there i think
33:50michael doug or kurt kurt russell would have been i think the ideal fantastic fantastic fit in that movie
33:55uh but yeah i think i was picking between those two anyway um the other one would be if volcano
34:00comes
34:00out first which it came out second is it more successful than dante's peak which made more
34:04money do you think more people will be think more fondly on volcano and would have made more money
34:10i feel like that's a question only clemmer can answer you are the box office expert i just i was
34:14i was just around that time um i think it definitely hurt volcano to come out second because just my
34:19own i mean this is just my experience but like i went and saw dante's but yes i was bored
34:22in upstate
34:23new york nothing to do but like that felt different and new where i remember volcano came out
34:27and then don't get me wrong i was going to move like i kind of felt like kind of already
34:30been
34:31there done that and i didn't see it yeah so like i and i think a lot of audiences i
34:35think it definitely
34:36hurt both movies to some extent that they were twin movies where i feel like prestige and illusionist
34:42we talked it probably didn't hurt either movie i think it hurt illusionist in hindsight um they were
34:47kind of operating in like different budget tiers yes you know what i mean whereas these two are
34:51really in the same these were the two right i think it did hurt volcano yeah i certainly didn't help
34:57and then lastly wire aren't possessed or movies as prevalent anymore because like you mentioned
35:01i wrote this down as well like from 95 to 2005 it feels like they were very prevalent like they're
35:05everywhere but now it feels like we haven't had it like we had like geostorm and moonfall and like
35:11oh right yeah shit yeah like just shit like they're not as prevalent anymore it feels like they don't try
35:15as much and that's just a fad thing they were big in the 70s yeah earthquake and poseid adventure and
35:20towering inferno and they went away for a while and they came back with independence day and twister and
35:25these movies and then they went away for a while and they'll come back it feels like they have it's
35:29like even necessarily for lack of trying like i feel like you could count like don't look up
35:33if you wanted to you know you know also you know another reason why we also have been overrun with
35:39superhero movies that too which also have kind of world-ending possibilities where like
35:43well once i bet 10 years from now you'll see a disaster movie boom they just everything's so cool
35:48yeah uh so that is you guys like this genre i do i stand up for this genre i did
35:52i did for a long
35:53i'm going to talk about another one of these we're going to talk about like armageddon versus deep
35:56impact yeah down the line because that is another 10 movie in within this genre sure but there are
36:00other ones too like like twister i think i assume we all liked oh i really twister um i i
36:05like also
36:06really like independence day yeah i like independence day like the day after tomorrow i like a lot like
36:10that was a few years later but yeah that was 2004 or something like that right yeah uh but i
36:14liked a
36:15lot of those movies like quite a bit roll rolling embers do you guys watch the old ones in the
36:1870s
36:18earthquake and towering inferno uh towering inferno yes not uh earthquake earthquake was
36:24troughton heston yeah uh which is an interesting performance but like i i kind of appreciate these
36:28this genre right it's fun yeah no it's like big name celebrities like not so much dante speak but
36:33like you usually have a cast of like all stars you see them die in kind of crazy ways it's
36:37kind of fun
36:37no yeah it's like fast food cinema like it is yes but it's i like fast food something like a
36:42lot of
36:43the time that's kind of weird san andreas kind of was another death like a nail in the coffin
36:47oh yeah they it was later that one stretch like 2010 to 2014 that's like when it died because it
36:53was 2012 2012 2012 or death tomorrow was like 2004 i think but like mid 2010s like right around
37:00it kind of came back again yes and then it went away they tried some of them were hits it's
37:05how much
37:05does san andreas make because i don't i can't i don't remember no that can't have 2012 might have
37:10been in 2012 i think made good money i think so too so budget for san andreas was 110 million
37:17god damn uh it made 474 worldwide though yeah so it definitely had another little rise and then
37:22went away and it'll it'll come back yeah i couldn't tell you a thing about san andreas i don't remember
37:26that at all disaster movie 2012 grossed how much do you guys think 500 million whoa 2012 john
37:34cusack still got it this is crazy well i still had it it's like a billion no but it's not
37:40far off uh
37:42791 million that's fucking good yeah that's insane i don't remember anyone being like we gotta go see
37:4620 granted it was capturing onto like the phase of everyone being oh what's gonna end but also i
37:50think it's like a fun like you said it's just fast food centers it's a fun disaster movie yeah you
37:54kind of know what you're gonna get the second you sit down and it's fun to see kind of these
37:57big
37:57name guys get swallowed up by whatever the do you remember harrelson in that i don't i don't remember
38:02harrelson in that i don't either he's like a hippie living in in yellowstone that's like preaching the
38:07world's gonna end and then yellowstone blows up and kills him uh it was very funny in it um
38:12they should try and do another lava movie i was thinking it could be very interesting like it is
38:16a scariest concept i didn't think the lava moving slow was a bad thing you know it's how they're
38:22reacting to it there's like incoherent rules to how close you can be to the lava which really kind
38:28of takes me out absolutely like if you if the some people are next to it and they just start
38:33melting and dying and like animals are dying and it's burning through like five feet of concrete
38:37600 degrees yeah and then like someone like one of our main characters will go up next to it and
38:43just
38:43be fine yes that's very fair yeah and the i did like the acid leak and oh yeah that's cool
38:48yeah
38:48that's cool that's cool little add-on yeah i i wouldn't mind seeing what they could do with
38:52the volcano type movie today yeah yeah my worry is what we talked about a lot here which is it
38:57turning into cgi fest which is just like this is all we got like no you can make you can
39:01get a
39:01smoke machine no give me the volcano from the north man dude give me yeah dude just blow some
39:07stuff up make some miniatures like i feel like movie theater is really i don't know if the
39:11miniatures are that expensive now because there's so many few people do it but like i don't think they
39:15underestimate how much we like miniatures oh my god like we at least us anyway we're just real
39:19set pieces like that when that building collapsed in dante's peak that storefront that was a real
39:23building that that collapsed like you can tell it was a real thing that's that's impressive to see
39:27yeah yeah yeah you just if you feel it way way more uh next up we're going to be doing
39:32one of
39:32clemmer's favorites yes we're doing observe and report this is paul blart mall cop is the next one
39:38we have i have a lot to say about observing report a lot and we also booked ahead of time
39:42uh this will
39:43be when you are out later yes we will be doing with fights olympus has fallen versus white house down
39:47which he is gonna love that i'm sure he loves both of those right i'm uh i would be shocked
39:52if
39:52he could pick a winner he's gonna be at odds of himself yeah he's gonna be like literally like
39:56tearing himself to pieces yeah i think the next episode my last one for a couple yeah the baby so
40:01uh but again our final winner here between volcano and dante's i'm glad i saw both these movies me too
40:06i was a great rewatch so far like i was telling kenjack i'm like i asked to push up the
40:10schedule for
40:10paul bart uh because i'm actually really enjoying doing this yeah going back and like you said
40:15uh good shit last time how often do we get to kind of revisit movies that aren't you know rewatched
40:20yeah mid-tier movies yeah we wouldn't necessarily like prestige we would rewatch i guess illusionist
40:24i would never rewatch i would never rewatch dante speak i would never watch dante speak i never
40:28rewatched volcano if we weren't doing this which is fun i think it's very fun it's very fun and it's
40:32fun to like watching them do it from the uh from the sake of like oh i'm comparing these two
40:35yes it is
40:36fun to like look at it through that view maybe we should make a rule where we have to watch
40:40it in the
40:41order of release does that make sense i'm fine does that help or is that not fair to the one
40:46that came out second is that better for our lens of how we view it the same way people viewed
40:49it at
40:49the time of release does that make sense it does we can think about it i guess it does yeah
40:53i did
40:54this one in order release i think i i did i did volcano first on this one oh i did
40:58volcano first on
40:59this one uh but yeah and dante speaks on prime and uh you i think you re-rented um volcano
41:04but yeah so
41:05the next one will be observing report uh versus uh paul barbara clump and the winner of this one is
41:10dante speak by a singular point shout out pierce brosnan your first one on the board you might
41:14have i think he has another twin film i'm thinking does he really i think i gotta i gotta double
41:18check my source on that but we will uh be back in two weeks with observant report versus paul blart
41:23mall
41:23cop
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